Mini Normal 2170: Stuff I’m Listening To [Game Over]

[PJ.]

VOTE: tsq

he's ugly and daffy sucks

[PJ.]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: murdercat

found scum y'all.

[PJ.]

I'm still not sure what your original thought is on it or why it isn't worth questioning him on, but it seems like your scumread is based on me not actually wanting to talk to panzer.

Ah yes,, another secret alt coward who dislikes me.. Seems like it's going to be very hard to play mafia w/ me if you dont want to interact with me tho. >

{Thestatusquo}
{Panzerjager, PookyTheMagicalBear, The Bulge}
{Not_Mafia, Noraa, Kasumeat, duppin, OutWorldER, UneducatedGuesser}
{Gamma Emerald}
{Blitzo}

pedit: Was just about to post this for content but ok

what's the rush to get a list like this out?

Reads list are scummy. They want to seem useful tho is the reason. It's what the youths call "faking tasks".

See the problem I have with that is it assumes that you are the one who is right.

happy holidays

If I'm not right, who else could possibly take up the mantle of being the purveyor of righteousness?

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Going into page 8, I dislike murdercat, outworld, and pooky in that order. I'll try to read more b4 worlds.

[PJ.]

Going into page 12. All scum are caught. Gg ez. I think imma not bother reading the last 4 pages. Go next.

[PJ.]

Nah, it means I'm scum zzz. Caught myself, gg ez

[PJ.]

There seems to be two clear groups of people in this game. a group of people who can't play mafia (or their gimmick is that they can't play mafia) and a group of people who are p dece. How many people of the can't play mafia group do you think are scum, Shea?

[PJ.]

If i'm not mean to others in mafia, how can i maintain my self-esteem?

[PJ.]

To be most clear; I think 2 of murder/outworld/duppin are scum and 1 of nora/chicken katsu/blitzo are scum

[PJ.]

Anyway, that's all I got. Yeet murdercat probably.

[PJ.]

Fixated is a strange word to use which implies that I'm somehow ignoring other things in order to talk about.

Which as an attempted critique of my play would be laughable.

Naw homie, this whole spiel you're weaving about me being new or not knowing what I'm doing is tiresome - there are plenty of other things that you can talk about wrt to me that have nothing to do with whatever it is you're talking about, in yet here you are, posting about something that means nothing.
No more dodging the question.
Why is kasu not scum for his bad push?

Pedit - alright, if kasu is not scum, who is? What would you expect from town!kasu to solidify your read, since it seems that that is not yet the case?

are you serious right now?

I get why they are on an anonymous alt now.

[PJ.]

.......how in the world is this read helpful to anyone?

It'd probably be better if you thought more about it instead of asking me to explain it to you, but I def already explained why it's helpful.

[PJ.]

Outworld needs more votes

I'd agree with this, except that I think yeeting murdercat is just far more helpful, my preference would be cat > outworld > nora > bitzo > chickenkatsu

[PJ.]

I already claimed scum bro..

Also it isn't actively unhelpful. 3 scum in those 6. Probably could narrow it down more, but that'd require effort.

[PJ.]

I'm poor at explaining. But I'm right so like...do whatever I guess.

[PJ.]

i caught the scum /shrug. don't knwo what could be more helpful than that smh.

[PJ.]

potty mouth

[PJ.]

Lol.

[PJ.]

There seems to be two clear groups of people in this game. a group of people who can't play mafia (or their gimmick is that they can't play mafia) and a group of people who are p dece. How many people of the can't play mafia group do you think are scum, Shea?

I don't need a hard line, but can you throw out 3 notable member of each group?

Shea told me to be nice, so no.

To be most clear; I think 2 of murder/outworld/duppin are scum and 1 of nora/chicken katsu/blitzo are scum

who is chicken? I'm assuming the former group is "can play" and the latter is "can't play"

no.

looking at things it seems chicken katsu is kasumeat
I think panzer is right about scum being in each of those poola, which via reverse engineered ro3 is kinda suspicious of panzer

idk what "reverse engineered ro3" means, but not sure how you can agree with me where the scum are then be like "yo, you sus tho". Schrodinger's scumhunting.

[PJ.]

I feel like chicken katsu and bitzio have been discussed ad nauseum at this point and i agree with most of what was said.

Idk know if noraa is scum or if this masatina-style "I AM THE PROTAGONIST OF THIS ANIME" playstyle is just pinging me because i hate it.

I just think it's unlikely that all 3 of these people are scum. I think katsu has the highest likelihood of being town of the 3 mostly because sometimes you're just dumb and loud and can't help it.

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A lot of there was a solid set of post somewhere in the single digits where Outworld/Duppin/ murdercat were being very weird with each other and like doing this weird buddying dance. It also doesn;t help that i find outworld and murdercat independently scummy. I think this is a case of like..2 scum trying to get someone to play 3rd imposter.

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everyone else is probably town.

[PJ.]

I don't think I said no to explaining what I meant? I said no to telling you about who i think sucks and doesn't suck because shea told me not to be mean. and i explained why my pools are pools mostly cause someone else asked? Is your brain ok?

[PJ.]

This seems bizarre. Also what a weird way to ask that question from chickenkatsu

[PJ.]

My play style's annoying regardless of alignment if that's what ur wondering.

Didn't have to wonder, it was abundantly clear that you are annoying.

And also, probably scum.

[PJ.]

I was going to post content but I have a paper to write so I guess I'll leave it w/ "o kasu is scum lmao"

[PJ.]

super don't like the pooky votes

[PJ.]

you just said you don't respect me or blitz as players

i don't see the problem with this statement tbh

[PJ.]

super don't like the pooky votes

Why? He was one of your SR's early.

And you're continuing to refuse to explain your SR on MC.

Uh...pooky was never an SR of mine. So.........................

Why should I explain anything to someone who can't read?

[PJ.]

dislike and SR is not the same thing

Basically this, but he has a point in that 2 of those became scumreads, so I understand the confusion. Mostly was in the middle of catching up and didn't know what to make of pooky actively not playing, but decided I was fine with it because of how many people were being actively scummy.

The votes on pooky just seem lazy and scummy in that there are other slots that fit the logic used better and it seems like scumbos trying to get something rolling.

[PJ.]

Still feel like the Panzer vote that is on me from page 1 and hasn't changed should be pinging more people

This still applies by the way

I'm not sure how Panzer's apathy is alignment indicative - do you have data that shows he is more apathetic in his scum-games ?

What's more telling btw is how you and blitzo seem to be wavering so quickly in the face of resistance and willing to look for a softer target.

Spaghetti voting from two dudes who've been highly suspected.

Also re murdercat: I've already told you that my vote on you is because you're a scumread and not merely leftover from RVS.

[PJ.]

Also re murdercat: I've already told you that my vote on you is because you're a scumread and not merely leftover from RVS.

I'm not saying it's not a scum read, but what town member legitimately thinks they find scum on page one and never picks up on a bigger scum read at any point or never tries to pressure anyone else with their vote? You have had no doubts about anything going on in the game at any point? It's not even like there's been a wagon on me the whole time, you're just parked on me

This is literally the dumbest thing I've ever read. I voted you. I afk'd. When I caught up, you were the scummiest person in my read and *easily* the person I am most confident in being scum. It's that simple. I didn't move my vote because I didn't need to. I have expressed who else I have questions about, namely Outworld, Kasu, and Blitzo. But you don't give a fuck about that, what you care about is finding someone to misyeet, which like..fine cool. But just know that it is incredibly obvious what you're doing, which is that you're just slinging your vote waiting for something to gain traction while backing up with nonsense like the above.

[PJ.]

BTW, I fucking hate Noraa's playstyle( and think we should have a jar she has to put a quarter in every time she metas herself or asks someone to read her.

[PJ.]

This is literally the dumbest thing I've ever read. I voted you. I afk'd. When I caught up, you were the scummiest person in my read and *easily* the person I am most confident in being scum. It's that simple.

Aight. It just doesn't seem like something town would do. I have seen your other scum reads, but I haven't really seen you pressure them or interact with anyone else? Your iso is all "I caught scum" and "Kasu is scum lmao" and calling our random stuff without any followthrough like "I don't like the pooky votes" or "that phrasing is weird." so how I am supposed to interact with your reads? Can you give me a bit more about what you are actually thinking?

On the list of people asking me things that I can address. You are last on the list. Mostly because you are scum.

[PJ.]

Hi NM we are voting panzer because he is not an active contributor

How dare he

VOTE: Panzer

!!!

[PJ.]

yo...shea..let me out. Just yeet this dude next.

[PJ.]

Noraa wagon has a weird resistance to it, but I also am not sure she is scum? I really think it is this mastina-anime protag playstyle that just pisses me off more than gives me a read either way.

[PJ.]

No it is not towny to try to start wagons everywhere. Shea's tone sounds so town but he's pushing wagons based off of terrible reasons. I feel like its not towny behavior. It's just his playstyle is towny

This describes exactly what Murdercat has been doing for the last handful of pages much more than it describes anything that Shea is doing.

[PJ.]

Re Noraa: then join me. or vote shea. or vote me. or do anything besides ask people to read you, counter attack that read, or meta yourself like you're fucking phoenix wright.

[PJ.]

Noraa. You have 5 posts to make a vote and state why, or i'm voting you. the explanation doesn't have to be more than 1 or 2 sentences.

[PJ.]

I don't think I'm being an asshole or making disparaging comments. I think she has a valid playstyle, it's just one that I feel is anti-town.

Also very rude that you say I'm not playing, shea. Ur bully

[PJ.]

I don't think I'm being an asshole or making disparaging comments. I think she has a valid playstyle, it's just one that I feel is anti-town.

Also very rude that you say I'm not playing, shea. Ur bully

I mean, you are.
Soooooo.

As for the noraa wagon - I feel like some of these last few posts on page 47 have been pretty enlightening in terms of the case on noraa.
I also agree with them and was calling her out for some of these things earlier.

How many votes does she have right now?

A coward on an anonymous alt shouldn't be saying shit about decorum

[PJ.]

Neither.

I'm saying two things:

Having trouble piling votes on someone for an entire phase is a weird thing to happen on town.

I can't fully pursue that line of thought because , when I wrote it, I wasn't personally there yet myself as she was like 5th on my list. She is higher now due to some of her recent posts.

[PJ.]

I already answered no to that dumb question. It's not a matter of if you should or shouldn't.

[PJ.]

What is your read on nora, katsu?

[PJ.]

caught up. still liking mc/gamma/and maybe a sleeper pick like panzer

This is bizarre.

[PJ.]

Is there a reason that you prefer noraa over mc other than probability? Is there merit in discussing why I prefer mc or are you mostly set for now?

[PJ.]

Shea being alive is weird. Gamma and blitzo is v funny.

Probably will vote noraa or gamma.

[PJ.]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... d_You_Suck

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Sheeping

Words mean things.

[PJ.]

Outworld was one of my biggest scumreads d1, mostly due to similar inside baseball type stuff day 1, but also a lot of their involvement w/ murdecat, which is now moot due to the flip.

[PJ.]

Thinking that day 1 was defined by you and mc bickering seems very bizarre to me and I recall very little of that happening. I'm also not exactly sure the motivation behind viewing the game that way.

[PJ.]

Thinking that day 1 was defined by you and mc bickering seems very bizarre to me and I recall very little of that happening. I'm also not exactly sure the motivation behind viewing the game that way.

for most of the last 2-3 days we were locked into a fight between me and MC with most of the votes consolidating into one side or the other. No other wagons were viable imo.

I was under the impression that noraa was the only alternative wagon with the only people even considering you being MC and Blitzo w/ several people expressing they had 0 interest in yeeting you, so again, this is a bizarre stance to hold.

[PJ.]

Also, looking back at duppin, the only person I could see suggesting to take him out over shea is Gamma.

[PJ.]

Also, looking back at duppin, the only person I could see suggesting to take him out over shea is Gamma.

Explain this and explain why removing dupping doesn't benefit noraa.

The dude didn't mention noraa, if I remember the reread correctly. If the kill was to protect noraa, there are other users that were more vocal about killing her - even assuming they didn't want to kill u.

[PJ.]

He *was* mentioned. Gamma a lot tho

[PJ.]

Also, looking back at duppin, the only person I could see suggesting to take him out over shea is Gamma.

Explain this and explain why removing dupping doesn't benefit noraa.

The dude didn't mention noraa, if I remember the reread correctly. If the kill was to protect noraa, there are other users that were more vocal about killing her - even assuming they didn't want to kill u.

This is super duper wrong btw.

Yeah, looked again,he mentioned nora and you a lot.

I

[PJ.]

This game has ground to a halt and I'm not sure what that signifies.

Shea got busy with work. It's like...precisely why I think he's town and why I think it's strange he's alive. If I were scum I'd of yeeted him, which is why I dont like the logic he used, paraphrased as; duppin is a better kill because it helps noraa lose heat while not taking him out and being obv about it. I just think shea is worth more to the town then Nora is to scum in the hypothetical that both of those alignments are correct, and I think that the premise that one kill could shake the pressure off nora seems incorrect. I think I've decided it's best to yeet nora here and work from there (also we need to get ahead on the count so we can yeet nm if there is no vig)

For the record, my biggest reads aside from nora are probably Gamma and outworld. I dont want to give too much more after that for information hiding purposes.

VOTE: nora

[PJ.]

At some point though...I firmly believe that if shea is alive, he's just mafia.

[PJ.]

Also, uh...I find this Gamma post to be an incredibly performative bus.

[PJ.]

UNVOTE: VOTE: gammaemerald

[PJ.]

The people who are going after noraa are way scummier than the people going after gamma and the panzer vote shift is really bizarre.

that's literally why I shifted my vote. If 2 of my scum reads are voting someone, I doubt I should vote that person.

[PJ.]

This game is annoying to read

[PJ.]

VOTE: OutworldER
OWER unvoting Noraa has made Noraa into a vanity wagon, which I find a hilarious sentence to write out
How the fuck is it my case made everyone develop cold fucking feet on voting out Noraa?

Because ur scum

[PJ.]

Gamma and blitzo are just scum.

[PJ.]

UNVOTE: VOTE: noraa

I literally can't read the game with this person it it, and sorting tracker sounds hilarious

[PJ.]

vote nm

We gotta do it at some point and tonight is a better spot than tomorrow.

[PJ.]

if there is still significant town power why the fuck would we massclaim today with zero dead scum

It's bulge, nm, and blitzo. I think the neighborhood is legitimate for reasons y'all will find illegitimate, and along with gamma's recent play being p clean. I'm finishing up a research paper that is due Friday so that's why I've been super inactive. There's no reason to yeet outworld here, because their claim only is scummy if you think scum can shoot twice tonight, otherwise it's absurd. Uh, yeah shower paper sleep bye.

[PJ.]

Mass claim dumb...

[PJ.]

Our ic is an idiot, i see.

[PJ.]

Is there even a case on me, or is it just outworld repeating "panzer is scum" over and over again?

[PJ.]

Re:bulge

I jist think uve been scummy as fuck today trying to lim the ic claim and I dont see a logical town motivation there. And I agree with most of she's commentary on u from yesterday

[PJ.]

I've already explained previously.

Your votes are consistently terrible, you have incredibly unnatural progressions and shifts onto other wagons and your consistent lurking is indicative of scum coasting by while town eats itself alive.

I dont think my votes have been any more or less terrible than anyone else's since we've miselimed both times we had and because I've voted less people(1 vote the entirety of day 1) I'd say my voting record is probably on average cleaner than majority of the game's. I dont see whats unnatural about my progressions, I just think you're not smart. You telling me I'm lurking so im scum is pot kettle. But you're a claimed ic so like, there's no reason to pursue that logical inconsistency.

Vote NM, or bulge

@chickenkatsu, I already answered your question.

Ya'll seem to bitch about my posting but you guys don't seem to actually read what I do post because you ask me to repeat the same shit.

[PJ.]

Shrug, misyeet me then.

[PJ.]

Maybe the neighborhood really is a mafia, /shrug

[PJ.]

I dont see whats unnatural about my progressions

-Spent D2 flip-flopping between Gamma and Noraa. Had a lot of conviction behind pushing Gamma as scum but then went to Noraa end of day because of...policy?
-Ended D2 with scumreads on Gamma, Blitzo, and myself with no signs you'd changed your mind on anything
-Starts D3 by...voting Not_Mafia? For reasons that seem like policy?
-Disappears for 200 posts and then proclaims NM as part of his scumteam solve with no reasoning behind it.

very natural progressions, yes, indeed, verily.

Id explain to you why you're wrong, but you didn't read my posts the first time, so explaining it again seems like a waste.

[PJ.]

Nice. Ez scum game. Congrats bulge

[PJ.]

So what? The neighborhood wound up being completely useless aside from pissing shea off, who was town.
Maybe a neighborhood could be useful in certain circumstances but this game definitely wasn't it.

Neighborhood is a mastina pet role,she wants to normalize neighborhoods and normalize fake claiming mason so her playstyle becomes meta instead of game ruining. That's actually part of why I was like"oh neighborhood is 100% real" cause..its a mastinaset up. W/e bad down. Yeeted me instead of nm. Gg.

[PJ.]

Actually mastina didn't suggest the neighborhood, I did. (Its main purpose mechanically was to lower the number of VTs to weaken the Neapolitan.)

I think that who suggested it is irrelevant. They are never going to view that role objectively.

[PJ.]

Traitor is a bad role, ya.