Open 822: Popcorn Mafia - Game Over!!

[HockeyFan]

Man why did N_M get the gun.

I'm informed miller, I know there's a macho 2-shot cop.

I cc

Actually I think NM being chosen clears Enchant.

You dont have to allign with your mafia partner

this

early

[HockeyFan]

Also, about this setup I think the gunbearer should shoot someone they not only sus, but someone they trust with the gun in case they flip town, yeah?

[HockeyFan]

hmmm, still dont like you hard clearing soemone on page 1

[HockeyFan]

Art rolled town? pog

[HockeyFan]

Didn't saw any game he modded, but i don't think that's topic.

Btw, give me gun.

Scum!

[HockeyFan]

Didnt you just clear Enchant. Why do you want them to be shot

[HockeyFan]

Nvm I misread, but still why do you want people to hipfire

[HockeyFan]

Hey cow, shoot here.

VOTE: lukewarm

I agree
VOTE: Lukewarm

[HockeyFan]

VOTE: lukewarm
I can't tell whether his avatar is a hermit crab or a knight.

Out of all reasons to lazilly hop on this vote, this was one I wasnt expecting

I have a history of shooting Cops and Doctors as Vigilante. Obviously, I should eventually have the gun. This game seems like it has the possibility of being over quick lol.

Alright cool Im gonna shoot you so u can shoot T3 the (town) PR

[HockeyFan]

VOTE: lukewarm
I can't tell whether his avatar is a hermit crab or a knight.

Out of all reasons to lazilly hop on this vote, this was one I wasnt expecting

I have a history of shooting Cops and Doctors as Vigilante. Obviously, I should eventually have the gun. This game seems like it has the possibility of being over quick lol.

Alright cool Im gonna shoot you so u can shoot T3 the (town) PR

This game is an all vanilla game though

Shh you're still a PR

Votesdon't mater and it's ultimately NM's choice.

I mean, I do think votes do have

some

merit, as why would u vote someone u TR(or in this case, someone who u dont want to be shot)? Voting someone implies that your scum read them and want to put pressue or b. you dont mind them getting shot

[HockeyFan]

I suggest you shoot Galron Art or Vulture unless someone develops a strong opinion against that.

????? What is that? You're telling me u want to shoot people who have 0-1 posts rn?

[HockeyFan]

I’m drawing this out as long as I possibly can

Bad decision

[HockeyFan]

I suggest you shoot Galron Art or Vulture unless someone develops a strong opinion against that.

????? What is that? You're telling me u want to shoot people who have 0-1 posts rn?

If we hipfire.

Ok but we're not doing that so you dont have to worry about that(unless ofc N_M goes full troll mode)

[HockeyFan]

Ok t3 is posting alot and they are actually semi

good

posts as of rn, so they are town. Idk if this is their scum play tho

[HockeyFan]

Ok t3 is posting alot and they are actually semi

good

posts as of rn, so they are town. Idk if this is their scum play tho

My most recent scumgame is Open: The Siege of Aurelia and my most recent towngame is Mini Theme: Open Draft

zzz too lazy to look at your past games, i dont like meta. As of right now tho, from your posts this game I am Still town reading u

[HockeyFan]

I’m drawing this out as long as I possibly can

Bad decision

VOTE: Hockeyfan

Dragging it out too long just makes town apathetic

[HockeyFan]

I hope u do this the entire game. These graphics are really good and im enjoying them

How quickly should he shoot, then?

About 2-3 days in probably

[HockeyFan]

Feat not, I have arrived. It is I, the mafioso

@N_M perfect shot candidate

[HockeyFan]

Now give me a gun, so I can promptly shoot Pav

Spoiler: The dream

Pav is town tho

[HockeyFan]

hmmm, still dont like you hard clearing soemone on page 1

It is probably a bad reason to hard clear someone, but it does look like t3 logic

Does you saying its "t3 logic" mean that this is NAI for t3?

[HockeyFan]

Ok t3 is posting alot and they are actually semi

good

posts as of rn, so they are town. Idk if this is their scum play tho

My most recent scumgame is Open: The Siege of Aurelia and my most recent towngame is Mini Theme: Open Draft

Is your most recent scum game, not pooky's dead silence game?

Yes but I'm trying to expunge that game from my memory.

T3 lying??!? Must be scum

[HockeyFan]

Hey.

Hello.

[HockeyFan]

Hey.

Hello.

What's up?

Nothing much, just waiting for u to yourself as scum

[HockeyFan]

I suggest you shoot Galron Art or Vulture unless someone develops a strong opinion against that.

????? What is that? You're telling me u want to shoot people who have 0-1 posts rn?

If we hipfire.

Ok but we're not doing that so you dont have to worry about that(unless ofc N_M goes full troll mode)

That's kinda redundant.

Fair

[HockeyFan]

Galron/Vulutre is such a odd interaction/so unnatural. I really dont know how to read it. Could be partners awkwardly trying to distance

[HockeyFan]

Maybe we choose most competent player here and shot him?

If he mafia, expireinced mafia dies.
If he is town, he will lead.

I really suggesting.

Yea this is what I was thinking in terms of optimal play for this setup. However, theres little reason to shoot rn

[HockeyFan]

I dont agree with this(for obvious reasons). i dont think me questioning T3 there is scum esp since he just decided to clear someone in the first 4 posts

What exactly do u find scum about these posts? Sure the omgus may be a bit sus but how is lukes 149 scum? Sure, its false, but I dont see anything scum from that post alone

[HockeyFan]

The whole set of interactions about Art's interactions are super ?? We have me(partially) and T3 defending luke and not agreeing with art's sr, and on the other hand we have Vulture apparently being to read Art's mind and intention for the SR? Makes no sense. Art/Vulture seems too level 1, but so does T3/Luke soo. Fwiw, I do think one of these pairs CAN exist, but not just because of these 2 posts

[HockeyFan]

I metadived Vulture and looked at his games. Town Vulture usually posts scummy and devoid of content sounding one-liners but will occasionally interject with a longer post that has content. This seems to be the same a Vulture this game. This read holds less merit for 2 reasons.
1. He's an alt.
2. He doesn't have a scumgame on this account.
If I'm right about who he is then I've played with him a bit on his other alts but I don't think it matters because the play doesn't match up.

So whats your read on Vulture based on this game?

I'm up to 3 names on my hipfire list.

The people you want to hipfire are presumably people you SR, so whats the point of hiding this info from town

[HockeyFan]

Marci rolled scum this game, thank me later.

The SR is based on mainly vibes and the tone of her posts. its based a little on the content

some

of her posts(if u can call it content), but mainly vibes

[HockeyFan]

Uhh not really? I could if u want me to.

[HockeyFan]

Alright, so I think the tonal argument still holds true cuz I dont like the tone of her in that game but she is making more content early game this game then she was in Mini 2221 soo the content argument is void but my 204 i think still reamins pretty consitstent, I can try to read more of her recent scum games, but I thnk im willing to stick with marci scum for rn

[HockeyFan]

Alright nvm im confused. Marci rolled scum in newbie 2061 and i actually like the tone of her early posts there. wtf, w/e im not putting too much stock into meta so

VOTE: Marci

<consider this a SR for now>

[HockeyFan]

Alright nvm im confused. Marci rolled scum in newbie 2061 and i actually like the tone of her early posts there. wtf, w/e im not putting too much stock into meta so

VOTE: Marci

<consider this a SR for now>

And what is the basis for your scumread after the last few posts?

Most of Marcis posts

Spoiler:

Players in order of readability:

Really easy: Lukewarm, marcistar

offended, u just broke my heart

Just remember that he hard town read you in our last game

TRULY
im just multi talented

The last time I saw you post that exact gif, you were scum

actually?
do i not send it often? i know i send it to meuh kinda often its like my fave in the whole world AHAH

The last time I saw you post that exact gif, you were scum

actually?
do i not send it often? i know i send it to meuh kinda often its like my fave in the whole world AHAH

I hard townread you because I missed a post where you scumclaimed.

sir i never scumclaim (please say sike my confidence needs it )

The last time I saw you post that exact gif, you were scum

actually?
do i not send it often? i know i send it to meuh kinda often its like my fave in the whole world AHAH

Yeah, the "last time I saw you post that exact gif" was in our first game together lol

ahh, dw i can post it in every game from here on if u want

luke r u scum

Marci could be scum for that gif alone; I'm gonna have nightmares.

only scum hate twerking alien

I dont like any of these quotes since they are either observations or filler. As for the whole sr based on tone, 129 and 141 stand out to me the most. The posts of marci's I didnt include are Marci just agreeing with everything Art said about luke which tbh I dont like either.

[HockeyFan]

Alright nvm im confused. Marci rolled scum in newbie 2061 and i actually like the tone of her early posts there. wtf, w/e im not putting too much stock into meta so

VOTE: Marci

<consider this a SR for now>

And what is the basis for your scumread after the last few posts?

Most of Marcis posts

Spoiler:

Players in order of readability:

Really easy: Lukewarm, marcistar

offended, u just broke my heart

Just remember that he hard town read you in our last game

TRULY
im just multi talented

The last time I saw you post that exact gif, you were scum

actually?
do i not send it often? i know i send it to meuh kinda often its like my fave in the whole world AHAH

The last time I saw you post that exact gif, you were scum

actually?
do i not send it often? i know i send it to meuh kinda often its like my fave in the whole world AHAH

I hard townread you because I missed a post where you scumclaimed.

sir i never scumclaim (please say sike my confidence needs it )

The last time I saw you post that exact gif, you were scum

actually?
do i not send it often? i know i send it to meuh kinda often its like my fave in the whole world AHAH

Yeah, the "last time I saw you post that exact gif" was in our first game together lol

ahh, dw i can post it in every game from here on if u want

luke r u scum

Marci could be scum for that gif alone; I'm gonna have nightmares.

only scum hate twerking alien

I dont like any of these quotes since they are either observations or filler. As for the whole sr based on tone, 129 and 141 stand out to me the most. The posts of marci's I didnt include are Marci just agreeing with everything Art said about luke which tbh I dont like either.

...so what about the content that she has posted, even if it is sparse. Do you agree/disagree with it?

Ok so the other /content/ that wasnt mentioned here that marci has posted is 110,181 and 188.

110- Not reading much into this as its ehr first post. A bunch of one liners that arent really alligment-indictivae. Its intresting tho that she was hunting for Luke partners right off the bat to set up possible misshots later?

181- They just sheeped Art's read on Luke here, and I dont really like that.

188- She said in 181 that she likes Art's point just to say in 188 she disagrees with it? sounds kinda wack. Also more of the lazy sheeping of Art's read on Luke

Coming to think of it, most of marci's content posts(and even some of her non content posts) are directed towards Luke/her read on him which is ??? Could be possible partners just interacting with each other as much as possible to get everyone else to TR them, not sure tho

[HockeyFan]

Coming to think of it, most of marci's content posts(and even some of her non content posts) are directed towards Luke/her read on him which is ??? Could be possible partners just interacting with each other as much as possible to get everyone else to TR them, not sure tho

Just to put this out there. Marci and I are friends, and we coordinate joining games at the same time so we can play together.

So, I am suspicious of Marci, but the fact that she is interacting a bit more with me is not one of the reasons

Ok then why

are

you suspicious of Marci?

[HockeyFan]

Newbies being all over the place and having complex thoughts like that is very strongly town indicative.

T3 wtf why are you Tring me/Defending me so much

[HockeyFan]

Ok then why are you suspicious of Marci?

i think arts townie, i like their point about luke

This really bothered me. Like I said, she just saw me make almost identical posts about not_mafia in our last game together (newbie 2072), but then I remembered that in our game before that she even commented on me saying something similar to/about not_mafia (micro 1010).

One of the big read flags for me in our last game, was that Marci seemed VERY hesitant to ever give me a town read. I think that scum!Marci worries about be getting thread control

Spoiler:

Here is actually, every time that marci gave an opinion on me day 1 in newbie 2072

Luke seems off

Lukewarm - null (? maybe a slight scum lean)

Lukewarm - I have no idea what to think about luke still

And this was like a thing that kept pinging me that game, but then I kept ignoring it. Well, not ignoring, but I kept being like, marci this is weird, why are you doing this? Marci, you know me better then this? ect, but then never actually scum read her for it, and then the game ended without me ever actually calling her scum for it.

So, when I saw that post this game, actually gonna treat it as a red flag

Is the TLDR of this: Marci's not tring you therefore shes scum? Dont quite understand it but I'll let you bus Marci without any repercussions rn

[HockeyFan]

Is the TLDR of this: Marci's not tring you therefore shes scum? Dont quite understand it but I'll let you bus Marci without any repercussions rn

It is not that she isn't town reading me. It is that she is vaguely worried about me over things that she should know are not scum indicative for me

So its based on your own personal bias since you only know what is truly not scum indicaitve about your playstyle. I still do not like this scum read. Sure meta exists, but why are you controlling peoples reads on you because of your bias?

[HockeyFan]

Alright, so I think the tonal argument still holds true cuz I dont like the tone of her in that game but she is making more content early game this game then she was in Mini 2221 soo the content argument is void but my 204 i think still reamins pretty consitstent, I can try to read more of her recent scum games, but I thnk im willing to stick with marci scum for rn

read some of my town games as well if ur metaing me

Is it possible if u link me some? im too lazy to go through your games since u've played alot but from what i've seen, the games where u rolled town(which was primarily your early newbie games, your tone didnt feel

that

off)

Alright nvm im confused. Marci rolled scum in newbie 2061 and i actually like the tone of her early posts there. wtf, w/e im not putting too much stock into meta so

VOTE: Marci

<consider this a SR for now>

so whats ur conclusion from the scum game metadive? do i seem similar??

Pretty much. You did generate a bit more content this game then u did in your others but imo its a SL

I dont like any of these quotes since they are either observations or filler. As for the whole sr based on tone, 129 and 141 stand out to me the most. The posts of marci's I didnt include are

Marci just agreeing with everything Art said about luke which tbh I dont like either.

i like their point about u still tho, it looks reasonable for them to think.

not sure if i agree with it,

but i like the thought coming from them.

- -

226

Coming to think of it, most of marci's content posts(and even some of her non content posts) are directed towards Luke/her read on him which is ??? Could be possible partners just interacting with each other as much as possible to get everyone else to TR them, not sure tho

Just to put this out there. Marci and I are friends, and we coordinate joining games at the same time so we can play together.

So, I am suspicious of Marci, but the fact that she is interacting a bit more with me is not one of the reasons

Ok then why

are

you suspicious of Marci?

"paranoia"

lol

[HockeyFan]

Game staling, start blasting NM.

Scum quote

[HockeyFan]

Game staling, start blasting NM.

Scum quote

Why not voting then.

?? Why do i have to vote you and not be able to SR you? That was a scum quote. Its been about 30 hours since game started and most people havent a chance to make alot of posts. Why deprive town of information? Besides, who do u want NM to shoot cause I dont see any pushes/Sr's from u?

[HockeyFan]

What is that suppsoed to mean, im not good at deciphering pictures

[HockeyFan]

I'm gonna shoot in the next 6 hours

[HockeyFan]

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if Galron is town, them getting shot here means T3 probs gets shot which is fine because I think T3 is playing weird and could be scum here. Them tring me this hard is weird. Also, as luke said earlier in 197

[HockeyFan]

Luke just pocketing the gunbearer smh

[HockeyFan]

My shoot recommendations are at

People I trust with a gun: Art and me

People that I think might flip scum : Hockey, T3, Marci

I'm townreading t3 which makes me nervous and makes me think I should be scum reading him.

Why does it make you nervous? You're allowed to TR someone regardless of other peoples reads on him

If I read Marci on this game alone I'd peg her as scummy, but Marci here does not feel like scum!Marci as I've seen her. I dunno if I'd shoot there.

Hockey I'm not sure about. Initial impression was scummy but if he's scum it's a pretty lazy effort.

Ugh everybody alive has a 50/50 shot at being scum, do not like. Gonna review d1 when I get back to my laptop.

[HockeyFan]

My shoot recommendations are at

People I trust with a gun: Art and me

People that I think might flip scum : Hockey, T3, Marci

I'm townreading t3 which makes me nervous and makes me think I should be scum reading him.

Why does it make you nervous? You're allowed to TR someone regardless of other peoples reads on him

If I read Marci on this game alone I'd peg her as scummy, but Marci here does not feel like scum!Marci as I've seen her. I dunno if I'd shoot there.

Hockey I'm not sure about. Initial impression was scummy but if he's scum it's a pretty lazy effort.

Ugh everybody alive has a 50/50 shot at being scum, do not like. Gonna review d1 when I get back to my laptop.

I am not used to t3 feeling like town to me regardless of alignment, that's what makes me doubt the read

lol fair. Ok Pav might be town here

[HockeyFan]

Ugh everybody alive has a 50/50 shot at being scum, do not like

What do you mean, everyone alive has a 50/50 shot at being scum?

Everyone is a null read?

No I mean in a vacuum there are 4 scum to 8 shootable slots

I was getting ready to accuse you of tmi'ing how many scum there are, but double checked it is in the OP from the mod, and apparently I just missed it lol

4 seems like a lot for an 11 player game, but probably makes sense since we are nightless

Looking back, this is such a weird post to make and there was no reason to make it.

[HockeyFan]

Art, your top shoot looks to be like Marci. Who would your 2nd top shot be?

[HockeyFan]

wait, from what i can understand from that graphic, marcis not even your number 1 scumread since u have a 2 on thier name yet u want to shoot them?

[HockeyFan]

Pav having a mindmeld with Art is intresting

[HockeyFan]

Alright Hectic is town.

All of Pav's reads seem sheepy and based on other peoples reads which could be scum sheeping town here. "Hockey's play is weird but I like T3's read on it so I'm inclined to agree that Hockey feels town for now" is an example from 336 is an example. Also I dont really like 337 since that post implies hes wiling to keep all of his options open and not commit hard to a TR/SR.

Saturday morning hot take:

I'm still sitting in null on too many people: Toogelo, Vulture, Enchant.

To those 3: who would you absolutely not shoot today if you were holding the gun?

Could everyone give 3 or 4 players they think are scum, and why?

I'm suspicious of players who have voiced minimal or few scumreads, despite the fact there are FOUR scumazzers out and about from a town player's perspective. Players that fall under this category include T3, marcistar, Toogeloo, and probably others

It's probably pretty difficult for scum to voice many scumreads here, given they either have to choose in the limited pool of townies, or give scumreads on their buds

My 4 scumreads would probs be Marci,Pav,Echant + 1. I really hate my sr's being this easy but I think some of these are right. It sucks that there is a scum in my tr's(basically everyone else in the game), but I dont think im willing to change my tr's atm

[HockeyFan]

I think that the rep in makes hectic town.

I don't really think that there is a reason for scum!art to make the switch right now.

He was in no danger of being shot, and his art posts made it hard to read him, but in a way that you could not say was ai, because it was just the alt gimmick doing it.

So, maybe he would do it if his buddies were in danger, but I scrolled back to see who he might be saving, and I think marci scum reads were the most recent development happening in the thread, so the fact that she is the one he is pushing takes messes with that idea as well

This is the weirdest reason to TR someone but I think it comes from town because scum dont want to clear a townie based on smth like this

[HockeyFan]

I will ask blunt.

Who even thinks T3 is town.

Hi! I have him as a slight TR

Anyone?

[HockeyFan]

I know how this feeling.

For mafia overall.

I don't think she is competent with gun, no offense.
And she also have notstandart game for which she get scumreaded, but actually i don't think mafia would act so outrageous.

I really think, she obvious for try to force her as shot target, because she is easy gain suspiciouns and can quickly lose game via random.

[HockeyFan]

T3, sorry if I don't put a ton of stock in your op marci meta tell

Spoiler:

I can usually read marci really well hold up

Using my OP marci tell I'm putting her at strong townread.

marcistar

,

Mafia Goon

, eliminated on Day 3

fine lol
marci is really really really indecisive as scum and never vibereads anyone.

Indecisiveness

Spoiler:

i think arts townie, i like their point about luke

i think arts townie, i like their point about luke

I have never played with Art, but Marci...

You Pav and T3 literally just saw me saw the same things about Not_Mafia in our last game

Marci, are you scum?

im not scum sorry

i like their point about u still tho, it looks reasonable for them to think.
not sure if i agree with it, but i like the thought coming from them

.

Vibes based reads

Spoiler:

Why are you scumreading Enchant?

his iso is horrible
(21, 31, 35) + he didn't respond to too much from the pages, even though theres a decent amount to build off of so far. it doesn't look like hes pushing anything, doesnt look like hes solving.

yw for the hard carry

I'm suspicious of players who have voiced minimal or few scumreads, despite the fact there are FOUR scumazzers out and about from a town player's perspective. Players that fall under this category include T3, marcistar, Toogeloo, and probably others

It's probably pretty difficult for scum to voice many scumreads here, given they either have to choose in the limited pool of townies, or give scumreads on their buds

im sus??
the reason i dont give reads is my confidence is nonexistent

Could everyone give 3 or 4 players they think are scum, and why?

sir i like just woke up so this is a struggle for me

prob vulture, for things idk how to explain

haha gottem

Hey t3 look, some reads based on vibes!!

i dont like pavowski when hes like "based on meta marcis prob town but my gut says shes scum here anyways" something like that that he keeps bringing up to back himself up, but otherwise he seems decently fine.

Anyways, it feel like marci is the best shot here.

Since then, she's almost seemed a little afraid to express many reads/thoughts.

prob cuz i am

But we have tiiiimeee, so marci, if you're not scum, give us a power star; talk about your reads etc

PLS SMSSKSMSK THIS IS SO FUNNY
i dont have too much reads, and im sure not confident enough in them to do anything with it

I don't think she is competent with gun, no offense.

rude i think im fine

can u give ur opinions on other people enchant

In adition to what Vulture said, Marci

has

done things from your super secret tell in this game, so why arent you pushign Marci?

[HockeyFan]

T3, sorry if I don't put a ton of stock in your op marci meta tell

Spoiler:

I can usually read marci really well hold up

Using my OP marci tell I'm putting her at strong townread.

marcistar

,

Mafia Goon

, eliminated on Day 3

fine lol
marci is really really really indecisive as scum and never vibereads anyone.

Indecisiveness

Spoiler:

i think arts townie, i like their point about luke

i think arts townie, i like their point about luke

I have never played with Art, but Marci...

You Pav and T3 literally just saw me saw the same things about Not_Mafia in our last game

Marci, are you scum?

im not scum sorry

i like their point about u still tho, it looks reasonable for them to think.
not sure if i agree with it, but i like the thought coming from them

.

Vibes based reads

Spoiler:

Why are you scumreading Enchant?

his iso is horrible
(21, 31, 35) + he didn't respond to too much from the pages, even though theres a decent amount to build off of so far. it doesn't look like hes pushing anything, doesnt look like hes solving.

yw for the hard carry

I'm suspicious of players who have voiced minimal or few scumreads, despite the fact there are FOUR scumazzers out and about from a town player's perspective. Players that fall under this category include T3, marcistar, Toogeloo, and probably others

It's probably pretty difficult for scum to voice many scumreads here, given they either have to choose in the limited pool of townies, or give scumreads on their buds

im sus??
the reason i dont give reads is my confidence is nonexistent

Could everyone give 3 or 4 players they think are scum, and why?

sir i like just woke up so this is a struggle for me

prob vulture, for things idk how to explain

haha gottem

Hey t3 look, some reads based on vibes!!

i dont like pavowski when hes like "based on meta marcis prob town but my gut says shes scum here anyways" something like that that he keeps bringing up to back himself up, but otherwise he seems decently fine.

Anyways, it feel like marci is the best shot here.

Since then, she's almost seemed a little afraid to express many reads/thoughts.

prob cuz i am

But we have tiiiimeee, so marci, if you're not scum, give us a power star; talk about your reads etc

PLS SMSSKSMSK THIS IS SO FUNNY
i dont have too much reads, and im sure not confident enough in them to do anything with it

I don't think she is competent with gun, no offense.

rude i think im fine

can u give ur opinions on other people enchant

In adition to what Vulture said, Marci

has

done things from your super secret tell in this game, so why arent you pushign Marci?

Wait ignore the vibes based reads things. i misread t3's post

[HockeyFan]

Alright I'm getting an avatar when I am on my laptop next HOLD ME TO THIS

Lim all liars

I mean like scumarci never vibereads.

Bruh why are u making a read on someone based on meta alone. This feels very similar to your metareading of LLD in Newbie 2071 in which u flipped scum

[HockeyFan]

Alright I'm getting an avatar when I am on my laptop next HOLD ME TO THIS

Lim all liars

I mean like scumarci never vibereads.

Bruh why are u making a read on someone based on meta alone. This feels very similar to your metareading of LLD in Newbie 2071 in which u flipped scum

Posts like these are what im talking about btw

Sorry i forgot to mention it earlier

[HockeyFan]

Marci, I probs missed it but if you had the gun who would u shoot(Other than Enchant)

[HockeyFan]

Doing isos, and enchant feels like someone who thought they were signing up for a meme game and just really wanted to get the gun so he could just shoot away, and then slowly realized that ~half the lobby was taking the game seriously, and has resigned himself to a proper mafia game

where

What do you mean, where? thats like the whole iso

There is the "this is a meme game " phase:
7 - votes for the confirmed town
23 - asks for the gun
26 - scum claims
31 - asks for the gun again

The "is this not a meme game?" phase
35 - sheeps some votes
139 - starts thinking of how to strategically play the game
250 - can we just start shooting?

The "this is an actual game " phase
267 - thoughts on Toog
288 - pressuring me over a question I asked you
302 - pointing out that T3 has too many town reads, and asking him why he has not questioned it
322 - comes out with a town read on you
386 - starts to worry that if he gets the gun too late, compared to getting it super early, he could be the one to lose for the town
388 - starts pushing his scum read
391 - town reads you some more, and is worried that you are just lhf this game

Town points. The scum team of Marci,Pav and Enchant still exists. At this point, I think Togeloo is town who just doesnt give a shit if gets shot

[HockeyFan]

pavowski gib readlist

Ehhhhh.

Town-lean (no particular order)
Hectic
Luke
Hockey

Null-to-scumlean (descending order)
Vulture
Enchant
T3

Scum (would probably shoot today if I held the gun)
Toog
Marci


Now you.

Eloobrate on this T3 read. You TR'd him earlier to the point where you agreed with his read on me(336). You mentioned he became less townier in 424, but u didnt interact with him anytime between 336 and 424. So what changed? What caused you to TR him less?

[HockeyFan]

I wasn't really comfortable with my TR to begin with. Whatever struck me as towny about him (it was a feel more than info-based) has dissipated over his posts in the past day or two.

Also don't buy his defense of Marci.

Fair. Speaking of T3's defense of Marci, @T3, give me 1 good reason you are defending Marci other than "sCuM mArCI dOeSnT pLAy lIKe tHiS"

[HockeyFan]

Hm let's see if marci did the ~tell~

Not yet.

T3, sorry if I don't put a ton of stock in your op marci meta tell

Spoiler:

I can usually read marci really well hold up

Using my OP marci tell I'm putting her at strong townread.

marcistar

,

Mafia Goon

, eliminated on Day 3

fine lol
marci is really really really indecisive as scum and never vibereads anyone.

Considering i saw pretty enough trollpeople, i think marci is town likely.

T3 mention some secret meta, and if she in maf list, then he noticed it. I just ask, is twerking alien have chain with that meta or what?

No lol, I didn't see it.

Is this not you tring Marci(I could be misreadign the posts but eh)

[HockeyFan]

Is the TLDR of this: Marci's not tring you therefore shes scum? Dont quite understand it but I'll let you bus Marci without any repercussions rn

It is not that she isn't town reading me. It is that she is vaguely worried about me over things that she should know are not scum indicative for me

That's fair. marci is probtown for developing a read on Art this fast but I'm not sure yet.

No, it's me saying she hasn't exhibited a specific scumtell.

From what I can tell, you are mostly reading marci on meta and if she

hasnt

done her "scumtell", why are u denying you're Tring here cuz u should be no? Your SL feels super fabricated imo. I'll give u a chance to explain the SR tho

[HockeyFan]

Wait why did I quote 242, Ignore that

[HockeyFan]

The amount of emojies in this post scares me

Now you.

ur prob a scumread im not sure if somebodies already said it, but it does seem like ur just trying to please people and make yourself look good. 39 seems a bit like protective of luke, but not so much in a partner way. "wouldn't be a bad shot

but

" makes it seem like you already know his alignment, but want to protect him for ?? reason, prob (at the time of the post) as a sort of fall back if it was decided to actually go after luke. ahaha gottem ggs
(168, 209, 282) -> (324, 336, 351, 424, 441) the progression on these reads seem like ur just wanting to do whats popular ngl

Arent u doing the same thing?

. ur not making pushes or anything like that on other people, all it is is a continual focus on me and t3, which i dont mind, but ur focusing too much on us two ever since we became the popular opinion, and like i know im town so at most it might catch t3 if hes scum, but then the other scummies??? doesnt seem like ur looking too hard for them.
429 reads like "i dont wanna stick out!!! i need to blend in!!" which i dont see why a townie would be thinking like that.
ur readslist (438)
is just townreading all of the strong thread voices

Again, arent u doing this too?

, with the exception of t3 because everybodies on his ass rn
come fight me for this omgus or whatever people call it, honey

Vulture -

still a scumread xoxo
alot of their stuff seems a bit noncommittal, like yeah they put thoughts out there but its stuff that i feel like they could easily back out of if need be. alot of its making player x develop their reads on player y.
up until 371 (which is very recently i thinks) i cant really tell what theyre thinking at all. i think their posting style is very easy to make it

look

busy.

T3 -

now like... he doesnt seem too scummy, but he also kinda seems scummy at the same time..?

Wouldnt that make him null for u?

but like lets say i townread him
the only thing i can think of that seems scummy from him is his continual focus on my meta instead of poking at my posts.

Enchant -

not too sure where to place them anymore so lets just say a scumlean ig
250 was what originally made me wanna scumread them btw. "game stalling" but it wasn't even that long at the point, and they could've commented on so much more than they actually did. (and in general afterwards, theyre being very selective and not developing many reads)
what gives me the pause is them townreading me, since the reasoning i can see coming from a town mindset, but like i realized... i dont like being townread ahaha gottem
so like in summary, still dont like them, but theyre a bit lower on my list at this point

Lukewarm -

im not too sure, but he surely isnt a full townread yet

Again I think this is similar to my scumcase on Pav, where you're really non comittal and willing to keep your options open

Toogelo -

theyre a bit boring rn, but i dont think i can place an alignment on them yet

ew imagine giving reads... so disgusting

This may be a town post given thier other susses but thier pav scumcase is a bit hyprocritical

[HockeyFan]

HockeyFan
Lukewarm
Vulture
Toogelo
Enchant
marcistar
T3
Pavowski

Alright at this point, hectic is just pocketing me LOL

[HockeyFan]

HockeyFan
Lukewarm
Vulture
Toogelo
Enchant
marcistar
T3
Pavowski

Alright at this point, hectic is just pocketing me LOL

Why are you expecting yourself to go down in my reads?

Idk it just feels weird for someoene to TR me this hard without much of an explnation(u dont have to give one). This isnt me scumreading you, I still have u a TR but its something I wanted to point out

[HockeyFan]

shrug

I can't shake the feeling

56 / 57 / 61 / 134

^Should we just shoot T3 for these really awkward gunbearer pocket attempts?

The only pockety post I see in here is 61 if u can even call it a pocket. Other than that, I dont see how these are pockets, can you elobartae? Also if you're taking about gunbearer pockets, I direct your attention to luke

[HockeyFan]

My current split is

Lean Town

Hectic
Enchant

Nullish

Togg
Vulture
Hockey (^^)

Lean Scum

Pav (v v)
Marci
T3


I have liked Hockey's digging into both of Marci and T3, and he is looking unaligned with them.

Also Hectic seems to be town reading them pretty hard, so that helps him.

Why do so many people just sheep their TR's reads. Like I understand the idea but it feels so weird

So, he can go up to null. I still don't like some of his earlier posts x.x

Like, it is hard to not just check out until I am handed the gun, which may not even happen, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Another town post.

Also @Galron, I think we need a flip very soon(in the next 2 days or smth) since there seems to 2-3 consensus Sr's and flips of those people can help us?

[HockeyFan]

T3 got a pfp now because hes INDIMIATED


VOTE: T3

this is a meme vote dw

[HockeyFan]

Marci, can you towncase yourself? I've noticed a few of your last few posts have been "its not me", "im not scum" e.t.c. So, why are you town

[HockeyFan]

Hello. I am announcing that I am accidentally over gamed. I am alive in 4 games currently, and 2 is my comfort zone. my engagement may suffer until I die off in one or two games

You can always replace out of some games.

[HockeyFan]

Btw toog, I still think you're towny for not giving a shit but I really need some reads out of you lol

[HockeyFan]

Hello. I am announcing that I am accidentally over gamed. I am alive in 4 games currently, and 2 is my comfort zone. my engagement may suffer until I die off in one or two games

You can always replace out of some games.

Thats the cowards way out

Better than not posting in games smh

I'd like TO flipped, then if scum I'll say where I think they scum slipped a partner.

Or Galron can shoot me, and I'll rapid fire if I'm right

OK so you want info-flips rather than specifically your sr's rn? Intresting. So whats your opinion on The 2-3 consenus sr's in game rn {Marci,Pav,Enchant}. Do you think they'd be good info flips today?

[HockeyFan]

VOTE: Shoot: T3

You're right. We need movement. Here ya go.

That was ......something I was not expecting but I think this has a chance to flip scum

[HockeyFan]

Alright so Toog, u mentioned T3 "slipping" his partner, can you elaborate?

[HockeyFan]

T3 talks about marci a lot and kinda uses her as an anchor which makes her slightly more like to be town
He "hard clears" Enchant on page 1 for bad reasons but it's a bold way to treat a scum partner

^One of these is probably still scum though

He doesn't mention Pavowski much at all which is more eyebrow raises in that direction

Both of them have some bad posts but I don’t think they’re scum together for how Enchant defended Marci?

It feels like a weird way to treat a scum partner to go “no they’re just bad someone is framing them” and then not saying who.

Yeah, I think we're looking at 1 of Enchant/Marci (probably marci), Pavowski, and 1 sneaky deepwolf

Agree with both of these from Hectic ^. Marci has grown on me a bit and I think im willing to take her out of my scum list.

I think Vulture is town from their recent posts, could be a deepwolf but Im not entertaining that idea rn.

1 question for you tho Hectic. Why are u entertaining the idea of a deepwolf being present so early? Also who do you think that deepwolf is?

[HockeyFan]

It's hard to get over the reasons I had for Luke!town in 335 though

475/476 were also towny but maybe it's too towny to be town

First time I've heard this. What does this even mean lol. having towny posts doesnt automatically make you scum

Lot of back and forth since this morning. Just a quick check in for me at lunch here but I still think Marci is scum, and T3's defense of her earlier suggests to me that we've been on the right track there.

But I am also starting to think that either Luke or hectic could be scum with her. Luke's pulling back which is unlike him (too many games he said and I get that, but still) but he seems to be holding some sus on Marci which brings him back up some in my book. I don't love hectics push on me. Scum knows I'm legit and could easily be trying to get Galron to shoot me here, add to that I've already said I'm not super confident in my reads. Maybe he wants me to get the gun and misfire. Taking a more critical look at this slot from here on out.

Not sure who that leaves as the 3rd, but I don't think hockey is likely.

Hectic you asked about me wanting reads from Galron. (Hard to quote as I'm on mobile right now.) I don't know Galron at all before this game, I just think it'd be beneficial to get reads from confirmed town before a shot since anybody can be wrong. On policy I don't think it's a good idea to die with information in your pocket. If I get the gun I will certainly give reads before I shoot. (Not that my reads have been a secret lately.)

At this point, I think you just have a conf bias of Marci being scum. You're not attempting to read her recent posts and are just saying "another scum post from Marci" every time she posts

Hockey was my first scum read this game. Early on Hockey has sooo many lamist posts. It looked to me like Hockey wanted to look like he was here and active, so he was looking for things to comment on to sound townie

Spoiler: lamist on not shoot quickly

Didn't saw any game he modded, but i don't think that's topic.

Btw, give me gun.

Scum!

Didnt you just clear Enchant. Why do you want them to be shot

Nvm I misread, but still why do you want people to hipfire

I suggest you shoot Galron Art or Vulture unless someone develops a strong opinion against that.

????? What is that? You're telling me u want to shoot people who have 0-1 posts rn?

I suggest you shoot Galron Art or Vulture unless someone develops a strong opinion against that.

????? What is that? You're telling me u want to shoot people who have 0-1 posts rn?

If we hipfire.

Ok but we're not doing that so you dont have to worry about that(unless ofc N_M goes full troll mode)

Spoiler: lamist on not dragging the day out

I’m drawing this out as long as I possibly can

Bad decision

I’m drawing this out as long as I possibly can

Bad decision

VOTE: Hockeyfan

Dragging it out too long just makes town apathetic

Spoiler: Trying to buddy up to art

Art rolled town? pog

I hope u do this the entire game. These graphics are really good and im enjoying them

And like, every single one of those posts were on the first like 3 pages of the thread. So it just looked like he was coming in hard trying to look town and to make a buddy.

Hectic, what makes you sure that that was T3 slipping that hockey was town, and not t3 trying to chainsaw for his partner. Because he tried to call you scum for your read at the time

"Not shooting quickly" spoiler. I was active for that time, correct. It looks blown up comparatively because at that time because there were 3 people active at the time. Lets go over the posts you quoted. Yes, wanting a gun on post 11 is scum. Why would town want the gunbearer to waste their gun on page 11. The second part of that is me interacting with T3, yes. T3 wanted to hipfire which is super ??? so I wanted to question him more. I still maintain that T3 wanting to hipfire there was scum.

"Not dragging the day out" spoiler- What the fuck? Are you just towncasing me at this point lol. Once again, shooting early OR shooting very late are both bad. Your whole scumcase revolves around me "me commenting on things to be townie". Chief, isnt that what town is supposed to do? To be Tr'd no? Also, you saying this implies that you originally tr'd me. Why the 180 all of a sudden.

"Trying to buddy up to art" spoiler- lol, yea ok you're just pushing me from a scum motive.

Ngl, I think Luke started this push on me because his scum partners are now getting pushed.

I agree with all the points Luke made about Hockey, and I recall feeling like Hockey and T3 having really weird interactions early in the game. I believe the term I used was they were, "slobbin' each other's knobs."

Hockey is someone who shouldn't make it to endgame.

I had forgotten about this but it was a good observation then and it's giving me pause in my townread of Hockey right now.

Sickkkk, perfect opportunity for scum!pav to shade me as soon as other people start sr'ing me

[HockeyFan]

At this point, I think you just have a conf bias of Marci being scum. You're not attempting to read her recent posts and are just saying "another scum post from Marci" every time she posts

This is entirely possible and I'm trying to avoid it, I'm sure it's getting tiresome to those of you *not* scumreading Marci. I will try harder to avoid it in the future. (When she asks me questions, though, I feel somewhat compelled to answer.)

I agree with all the points Luke made about Hockey, and I recall feeling like Hockey and T3 having really weird interactions early in the game. I believe the term I used was they were, "slobbin' each other's knobs."

Hockey is someone who shouldn't make it to endgame.

I had forgotten about this but it was a good observation then and it's giving me pause in my townread of Hockey right now.

Sickkkk, perfect opportunity for scum!pav to shade me as soon as other people start sr'ing me

"giving pause in my townread" =/= scumread, but boy you sure did jump to that conclusion

Wtf is "giving pause in my townread" supposed to mean then? Are you putting me back to null so u can decide wheetr to jump in on a push From Luke and start to SR Me?(should he continue it)

[HockeyFan]

Wtf is "giving pause in my townread" supposed to mean then? Are you putting me back to null so u can decide wheetr to jump in on a push From Luke and start to SR Me?(should he continue it)

(This feels like such an overreaction to me.)

It means I'm entertaining a bit of doubt on what is in general a fairly strong townread.

Lol

[HockeyFan]

Wtf is "giving pause in my townread" supposed to mean then? Are you putting me back to null so u can decide wheetr to jump in on a push From Luke and start to SR Me?(should he continue it)

(This feels like such an overreaction to me.)

It means I'm entertaining a bit of doubt on what is in general a fairly strong townread.

I kind of felt this way too about his reaction to my LAMIST case on him.

K I "overreacted" to your your case on me because imo it was writen in bad faith. You were squeezing water from rocks to make that case. I still dont understand the actual case on me..

I "overreacted" to Pav's case cuz Pav is my SR and im not letting him get away with awkwardly pushing me in the future(

[HockeyFan]

hockey r u scum?

nah Im jester

[HockeyFan]

Everyone in this game right now:



We shall carve out order from the chaos though

had a busy day at work today and this made me laugh, Thanks

Marci -- you've got 24 hours.

Hmm I'm less confident of this flipping scum now but worth a shot

[HockeyFan]

Hmm I'm less confident of this flipping scum now but worth a shot

Flesh that thought out.

Posts

Spoiler:

I think we have found scum in Marci, whose "how could anybody possibly suspect me" schtick is pretty much all she's offered. I think she's a good shot and I think a red flip there would tell us a lot. (I say that fully aware that if she's town, she seems likely to shoot me at this point when she gets the gun, and that's the game if it goes that way... But I don't think she survives getting shot.)

thats where ur wrong m8

im literally town and thats why ur wrong smhsmh
might as well lie down early then

Marci, can you towncase yourself? I've noticed a few of your last few posts have been "its not me", "im not scum" e.t.c. So, why are you town

you see, im town because mafia wouldnt look as angelic as i do

theres not really a reason within how people would typically townread people, but i feel like im similar to my recenter town games i know im fitting so well into something ive been previously told about my "town game seems scummy, scum game seems towny" so in my eyes its clear, but i dont expect yall to see it LOL

for both of my newbie game scum games, i've tried fairly hard, so if im scum here im not trying hard for ?? reason > so it doesnt fit bro

as well, looking at the activity overview thats something thats different from my typical games. usually im slacking (with a huge gap) behind most of the other players, but here as you can see its pretty even. so if anyone wants to fight me for not giving reads or whatever the circumstances here are different from the ones im usually under hehe <3 #noreadsgang4life

Lot of back and forth since this morning. Just a quick check in for me at lunch here but I still think Marci is scum, and T3's defense of her earlier suggests to me that we've been on the right track there.

wow shocker scum still hating on me
how does it suggest its on the right track instead of some sort of mind game?

Sure, it could be a mind game, but he didn't try to hard-clear you (like he did me -- he specifically read me as town at one point), all he did was say you weren't scum / couldn't be read because of reasons. He later hid behind this to claim he wasn't defending you.

do you think hard clearings the only way scum do mind games

Sure these posts may be a bit content-devoid, their tone I

think

is way townier than early game

[HockeyFan]

That doesn't look like theatre to me, Galron

Can you explain

why

you're confident on scum!marci, Pav?

@Enchant:

Why are you avoiding this game? Who're your guess for the remaining 3?

This is entirely possible and I'm trying to avoid it, I'm sure it's getting tiresome to those of you *not* scumreading Marci. I will try harder to avoid it in the future. (When she asks me questions, though, I feel somewhat compelled to answer.)

Uh, why would you ever let someone you think could be scum shut down you voicing a scumread? There's 3 scum out there and from your reads I can see you think hockey could be one, I don't know why you'd listen to his advice here and avoid openly voicing a scumread on marci

Hi, Pav

Hi, Hectic.

I wasn't gonna do this as I think most of the lobby has had enough of me and my push on Marci specifically. (I know I'm tired of talking about it.) But since you insist, and since Galron has declared intent to shoot, I'm gonna go back and do my best to read her with clear eyes.

In the meantime, a question for you since you're scumreading me (over the Marci read, and whatever else). If I'm scum, why in the balls am I going neck-deep in my scumread on Marci? If she does flip green (again I doubt it but let's face it, I could obviously be wrong), I'm almost guaranteeing that she turns around and shoots me in the face. A 1-for-1 trade is hardly ideal for scum in this setup. How is this a winning play for me as scum?

[HockeyFan]

That doesn't look like theatre to me, Galron

Can you explain

why

you're confident on scum!marci, Pav?

@Enchant:

Why are you avoiding this game? Who're your guess for the remaining 3?

This is entirely possible and I'm trying to avoid it, I'm sure it's getting tiresome to those of you *not* scumreading Marci. I will try harder to avoid it in the future. (When she asks me questions, though, I feel somewhat compelled to answer.)

Uh, why would you ever let someone you think could be scum shut down you voicing a scumread? There's 3 scum out there and from your reads I can see you think hockey could be one, I don't know why you'd listen to his advice here and avoid openly voicing a scumread on marci

Hi, Pav

Hi, Hectic.

I wasn't gonna do this as I think most of the lobby has had enough of me and my push on Marci specifically. (I know I'm tired of talking about it.) But since you insist, and since Galron has declared intent to shoot, I'm gonna go back and do my best to read her with clear eyes.

In the meantime, a question for you since you're scumreading me (over the Marci read, and whatever else). If I'm scum, why in the balls am I going neck-deep in my scumread on Marci? If she does flip green (again I doubt it but let's face it, I could obviously be wrong), I'm almost guaranteeing that she turns around and shoots me in the face. A 1-for-1 trade is hardly ideal for scum in this setup. How is this a winning play for me as scum?

time to use WIFOM to counteract WIFOM. You do the 1-1 for trade if you know marci's reads are off Or you want her to think that. Although tbf I get your point about u not going neck-deep if you're scum since with 2 scum up its hard to win, However, you could be on the same alignment(mafia alignment ofc)

[HockeyFan]

I suggest you shoot Galron Art or Vulture unless someone develops a strong opinion against that.

Hectic or Vulture might not be a bad shot. Just sayin'.

elaborate? I dont think scum mentions both of their partners so loosely like that.

[HockeyFan]

I'm not saying both, but there is this thing called the Rule of 3 that some members like to use.

ah i see where you're going with this, yea that could be entirely possible but idt sr'ing someone over this is accurate

[HockeyFan]

if im town how would yalls reads change

I mean i was already starting to TL you lol so they wont change much imho. I think mafia team is pav/luke(his bad faith case on me combined with not that much contnet), and uhhh idk 3rd one. I want to sr vulture but thier content seems towny, and i cant SR togeloo/Hectic

[HockeyFan]

I want to sr vulture but thier content seems towny, and i cant SR togeloo/Hectic

if u had to put a pin in one of those 3, which one would it be?

wdym but "cant sr"? whats holding you back?

I said "can't sr" because they're my Top tr's and i really dont think my read will ever change on them because I think they're pretty darn town. Im aware if you're town one of them can be mafia, but out of those 3, I think im putting the pin in Vulture, i could be totally wrong here tho

[HockeyFan]

I want to sr vulture but thier content seems towny, and i cant SR togeloo/Hectic

if u had to put a pin in one of those 3, which one would it be?

wdym but "cant sr"? whats holding you back?

I said "can't sr" because they're my Top tr's and i really dont think my read will ever change on them because I think they're pretty darn town. Im aware if you're town one of them can be mafia, but out of those 3, I think im putting the pin in Vulture, i could be totally wrong here tho

whats ur reasoning for townreading them both?

Hectic- They seem to genuine to not be town, I also like them content wise and tonal wise
Togeloo- I've already said this but its more of the fact that they dont give a shit and they were asking to be shot which Idt scum does

It dawned on me that the Gunbearer should always make a final thoughts list when shooting.

The person who has been shot doesn't need to leave reads, that is pointless.

shh im kickstarting my reign of terror early

if im town how would yalls reads change

I mean i was already starting to TL you lol so they wont change much imho. I think mafia team is pav/luke(his bad faith case on me combined with not that much contnet), and uhhh idk 3rd one. I want to sr vulture but thier content seems towny, and i cant SR togeloo/Hectic

Hockey, when and why did you start town reading Marci?

From what I remember you had her as a scum read right?

I did, but as I mentioned in 533, she had become townier(mainly through the tone of her posts) and the fact that pav was tunneling marci

[HockeyFan]

@Mod, can we get Marci's flip(no rush ofc), ty.

[HockeyFan]

Sorry if I havent been posting as much recently. Its demotivating to play this setup when u cant do anything without the gun lol. I think my 3 sr's still stand. I do like Togeloo trying to SR people out of consensus sr's so togeloo is probs town here

[HockeyFan]

This is off topic, but we now have 3 players who have openly expressed reluctance to play/post due to not holding the gun and I just don't get it, I think this setup is fascinating. But to each their own!

Yea I didnt mean to mean it that way, Its just that A. im in other games B. This game feels stale cuz I have my Sr's pretty much locked in. Maybe i have a conf bias on you(pav), but I think you're scum regardless. Hectic tunneling this makes me TR hectic a bit less tho so ehhh maybe things could change but i think not

[HockeyFan]

@Marci, I dont know if this will help you at all, but I tried my best to compile how everyone is being read

This is everyone, but for some people, if I could not find an expressed read, I plugged it in as "null reads"

Enchant is read as scum by 2 people, null by 3, town by 1

Vulture is read as scum by 2 people, null by 2, town by 2

Hectic is read as scum by 1 people, null by 3, town by 2

Hockey is read as scum by 2/3 people, null by 1/2 , town by 2

Toog is read as scum by 1 people, null by 1,

town by 4

I am read as scum by 2/3 people, null by 2/3, town by 1

Pav is read as

scum by 5

people, null by 1 , town by 0

Spoiler: Notes on who is reading where

Enchant: Pav(SR) Hec(SR) Hoc(NR) Luke(TR) Toog (NR) Vult(NR)
Vulture: Pav(SR) Hec(TR) Hoc(TR) Luke(SR) Toog (NR) Ench (NR)
Hectic: Pav(NR) Hoc(TR) Luke(TR) Toog(SR) Ench (NR) Vult(NR)
Hockey : Pav(TR) Hec(TR) Luke(SR) Toog(SR/NR?) Ench(SR) Vult(NR)
Toog : Pav(TR) Hec(TR) Hoc(TR) Luke (TR) Ench(SR) Vult(NR)
Luke : Pav(NR) Hec(SR/NR) Hoc(SR) Toog (TR) Ench (NR) Vult(SR)
Pav : Hec(SR) Hoc(SR) Luke(SR) Toog (SR) Ench (NR) Vult(SR)

Things I noticed compiling this:

• Toog is fairly universally town read
  Pav is fairly universally scum read
  All of Toog, Enchant, and Vulture have very few expressed town reads, and I had to just plug in a lot of "null reads" on everyone out side of thier scum piles
  I am less widely town read then I thought I was x.x

(The partial votes are, Hectic's read on me, because he seems to be bouncing back and forth, and then Toog's read on Hockey because he said he should not make it to end game, but then was not in his most recent solve)

I think you misread cuz I sr Pav

[HockeyFan]

I mean he's wrong, but I was way wrong on Marci so I guess I can't be mad about it. The question is if he's wrong because he's scum or because I don't know how to not sound scummy.

Actually, I guess it could be both.

Anyway, refresh my memory? Your solve is me + ?

You,Enchant plus possible deep wolf in Luke, although that one can be Hectic. Togeloo probs my only TR rn

[HockeyFan]

I think you misread cuz I sr Pav

I have you down as scum reading pav? I think you are not understanding my chart.

@Marci, I dont know if this will help you at all, but I tried my best to compile how everyone is being read

This is everyone, but for some people, if I could not find an expressed read, I plugged it in as "null reads"

Spoiler: Notes on who is reading where

Enchant: Pav(SR) Hec(SR) Hoc(NR) Luke(TR) Toog (NR) Vult(NR)
Vulture: Pav(SR) Hec(TR) Hoc(TR) Luke(SR) Toog (NR) Ench (NR)
Hectic: Pav(NR) Hoc(TR) Luke(TR) Toog(SR) Ench (NR) Vult(NR)
Hockey :

Pav(TR)

Hec(TR) Luke(SR) Toog(SR/NR?) Ench(SR) Vult(NR)
Toog : Pav(TR) Hec(TR) Hoc(TR) Luke (TR) Ench(SR) Vult(NR)
Luke : Pav(NR) Hec(SR/NR) Hoc(SR) Toog (TR) Ench (NR) Vult(SR)
Pav : Hec(SR) Hoc(SR) Luke(SR) Toog (SR) Ench (NR) Vult(SR)

What is that supposed to mean?

[HockeyFan]

o wait i should probs remove spoiler

[HockeyFan]

Whatever, I just bolded the part where is says Hockey: Pav(TR)

[HockeyFan]

Considering Pav scumreaded by everyone else, i think he is town.

Lame way to discredit peoples reads!!

I guess I am trying to decide if I think that implies that we are wrong on Pav, and scum team is riding it, or are his partners bussing / letting him sink

Put another way, scum would be happy to give me the gun

Considering Pav scumreaded by everyone else, i think he is town.

Honestly I could be wrong on Pav just because of the fact no matter how much I scumcase whatever he posts he comes back and gives more takes and reads, like it doesn't seem to phase him at all. I have caught myself scumreading town payers similar to Pav with waffly (nice?) tones, so it might be that again

I feel more confident in a Luke shot at this current time

766: This is also scummy from Enchant

Hockey
Vulture
Toogeloo
Pavowski
Enchant
Lukewarm

Inspired new solve:

Lukewarm + Enchant + Toogeloo

I reread Hockey and Vulture both again but I still think they're both town. T3 whiteknight of Hockey is a big factor for him. While, Vulture's 1v1 with Luewarm (assuming I am correct on Luke) is a big factor for him. Which leaves Toogeloo

Wasnt Togeloo in your top 3 towns in 769

[HockeyFan]

Hey, sorry. I am actively trying to move right now (and gonna be VLA for the next like 3 days). I read stuff from today, and have lots and lots of thoughts, but am phone posting, so won't be able to get a full case down until tonight after we settle down and stop working tonight.

spark notes, I think that I have been thinking about this game all wrong, and I think that Pav is actually town, and I think that hectic is actually scum.

Once I get back in front of my computer, I will type it up.

Convienently moving away from sr'ing your partner arent u? hmmm(this is a joke since I also think Pav has become townier but I cant shake the feeling that Pav is scum AAAAAAA)

If i were to assume Pav was town /for now/, the solve would be enchant/Luke/Hectic
but I think this kind of posting is smth Pav can fake so it can be pav/enchant/luke

essentially luke/enchant are almost always scum and I think i feel more confident in shooting luke/enchant rn then I am pav

[HockeyFan]

I already pointed out some of my issues with Hockey independently and his response was... not great. He basically just OMGUS scum read me back, and tried to act like my reasons were nonsensical 612. Even after Toog agreed with me 599. Even after Hectic responded to say that it was a reasonable thing for people to be suspicious for (but also took the opportunity to shoot down the scum read there) 613 He still plants me as his most confident scum read, all based on that omgus

Yes, I did omgus you, because I felt like the case came out no where and were trying to take heat of your partners.

I think mafia team is pav/luke(his bad faith case on me combined with not that much contnet

Also, lol at the idea that scum!luke is a low content luke. Which btw, he should know isn't the case. He was in my first scum game. The game lasted until day 4. I died Day 2. Despite dying part way through the game, here is where it ended:

Spoiler:

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I think that this game makes a lot more sense in a Hectic+Hockey scum world. Them being scum heavily spews Pav and Toog as being town. Pav because he was one of the 2 designated misshots that hectic was pushing (the other being you) and then Toog because he is the first person who linked T3 and Hockey, and then when I mentioned it again, he sided with me on that (also, I was already town reading Toog)

So I am at Hectic+Hockey + probably vulture/maybe Enchant (his content has died down hard since I started thinking he was town)

Also re; the whole content thing, maybe I think you're low content this game because your posts have been spaced out, soryr about that. Like at this point, im too lazy to scumcase the people who i think are scum because finding town(which i've found in Togeloo/Vulture rn) is much eaiser then finding scum

[HockeyFan]

This is off topic, but we now have 3 players who have openly expressed reluctance to play/post due to not holding the gun and I just don't get it, I think this setup is fascinating. But to each their own!

Yea I didnt mean to mean it that way, Its just that A. im in other games B. This game feels stale cuz I have my Sr's pretty much locked in. Maybe i have a conf bias on you(pav), but I think you're scum regardless. Hectic tunneling this makes me TR hectic a bit less tho so ehhh maybe things could change but i think not

Why don't you townread me anymore, Hockey?

748,759

Hockey, do you mind ordering your reads right now? A mythical read ist of sorts

Enchant -> Luke -> Hectic -> Pav -> Vulture -> Togeloo

Now im not saying enchant/luke/hectic have scum paired with each other this game, they're just indivually scummy

[HockeyFan]

Why do you think me tunneling was scummy or scum-motivated?

Because you were pushing hard for a misshoot there, without really interacting with other people, you also didnt need to worry about getting shot by Pav since he didnt SR you

I'm looking at Luke's reads and actions this game, and the consistent push on Hockey is very suspicious to me. It very much fits into the scope of distancing, just based on the reasons given yet lack of desire to ask anyone to shoot there.

Additionally, Luke right now knows he is going down either next shot or the one after (I have strongly implied I shoot him if marci shoots me), so his solve being two town in Hectic + Hockey seems quite unlikely to me. He'd probably want to distance with a partner, and his placement of Hockey would fit like a glove.

new NEW Inspired Solve:

Lukewarm + Hockey + Enchant + T3

We're locking this one in (probably for a day or two before I inevitably change my mind again)

Whats the point of saying lock in reads if you say yourself they're gonna play chess? It seems like you're playign 4d chess with your reads instead of actually scumhunting

[HockeyFan]

Why do you think me tunneling was scummy or scum-motivated?

Because you were pushing hard for a misshoot there, without really interacting with other people, you also didnt need to worry about getting shot by Pav since he didnt SR you

I'm looking at Luke's reads and actions this game, and the consistent push on Hockey is very suspicious to me. It very much fits into the scope of distancing, just based on the reasons given yet lack of desire to ask anyone to shoot there.

Additionally, Luke right now knows he is going down either next shot or the one after (I have strongly implied I shoot him if marci shoots me), so his solve being two town in Hectic + Hockey seems quite unlikely to me. He'd probably want to distance with a partner, and his placement of Hockey would fit like a glove.

new NEW Inspired Solve:

Lukewarm + Hockey + Enchant + T3

We're locking this one in (probably for a day or two before I inevitably change my mind again)

Whats the point of saying lock in reads if you say yourself they're gonna play chess? It seems like you're playign 4d chess with your reads instead of actually scumhunting

i made this post on 2 hours of sleep and holy fuck is it confusing, lmk if u need anything cleared up cuz i cant type for shit. A

Also @pav, u think enchant is scum yeah? Why are u so against them getting shot, like I feel like town should be a bit more confident in thier reads

[HockeyFan]

hockeyfan whats ur reads at rn

803

[HockeyFan]

Can we get a flip soon @Marci, idt my reads are changing anytime soon

[HockeyFan]

The real mafia are the friends we made along the way

[HockeyFan]

Don't say who you are thinking about shooting, but go through these exercises.

First, have you iso'd T3 and come to any conclusion who you this is more than likely town? Eliminate them from your pool of shots.

Second, did you get any pings in the iso that you feel has higher scum equity than other slots?

Finally, is there any shot you don't feel comfortable taking?

After considering those three things, trust your gut and fire at anyone you are comfortable with. It's not misfire and lose, so just take the shot you personally trust most. Try to ignore the distractions of all other players, myself included. Keep your reads to yourself and work it out internally.

Almost half the players left alive are attempting to direct the shot where they want you to think scum is, but are themselves scum, so you must block out the distraction and work with logic and your own gut.

LOCKTOWN

[HockeyFan]

i dont see where any trust of toogeloo being town comes from, can anyone who townreads them explain it for me?

i only really trust one person rn

ugh i hate being in power so much

Mainly vibes, I think they would try harder as scum and whatever they said in 842

[HockeyFan]

Hectic, the mafia goon has died!

[HockeyFan]

This is strictly a prodge post. I still like shooting in Luke/Hectic. I don't have a lot to add except to say that Luke's tone has shifted here. Could be indignant town, could be flailing scum. My money's on the latter.

A hero

I'll be here twiddling my thumbs, no way am I gonna put in the effort to dismantle Luke's case/words when I can just shoot him lol

I resonate with this so much LOL. Like idk, my townreads are pretty much locked in, just needs flips to happen rn

[HockeyFan]

do u think i should shoot within u/luke?
i kinda dont wanna but like if itll help town i will..

honestly, I think they're both a better shot than enchant so yes, you should

[HockeyFan]

cuz if enchant is town, its like ....

[HockeyFan]

This is off topic, but we now have 3 players who have openly expressed reluctance to play/post due to not holding the gun and I just don't get it, I think this setup is fascinating. But to each their own!

Yea I didnt mean to mean it that way, Its just that A. im in other games B. This game feels stale cuz I have my Sr's pretty much locked in. Maybe i have a conf bias on you(pav), but I think you're scum regardless. Hectic tunneling this makes me TR hectic a bit less tho so ehhh maybe things could change but i think not

Why don't you townread me anymore, Hockey?

748,759

Hockey, do you mind ordering your reads right now? A mythical read ist of sorts

Enchant -> Luke -> Hectic -> Pav -> Vulture -> Togeloo

Now im not saying enchant/luke/hectic have scum paired with each other this game, they're just indivually scummy

do u think i should shoot within u/luke?
i kinda dont wanna but like if itll help town i will..

honestly, I think they're both a better shot than enchant so yes, you should

Isn't Enchant your top scumread?

yes, but I think I trust both of you with the gun more, and if you guys are scum, then pog

[HockeyFan]

do u think i should shoot within u/luke?
i kinda dont wanna but like if itll help town i will..

honestly, I think they're both a better shot than enchant so yes, you should

This post feels slimy.

Hectic has stopped wanting me to be the shot, and I am wanting to look back over hectic tomorrow. And this is hockeys response.

And why? Because enchant is a bad shot.

Hockey, what is your opinion on shots inside of the other half of the player base [vulture, Toog, pav, you]

Vulture- Null leaning Town

Toog- Locktown

Pav- May be some bias since he got consenuses tr'd but I feel like he became towny with his recent posts

[HockeyFan]

do u think i should shoot within u/luke?
i kinda dont wanna but like if itll help town i will..

honestly, I think they're both a better shot than enchant so

yes, you should[

/quote]

Marci asked "should I shoot in hectic/luke"

And you answered the question " are luke and hectic better shots then enchant"

That's not the same thing x.x

read bolded

[HockeyFan]

So your reads are. Toog, pav, and vulture all varying degrees of town?

Yes

Wouldn't that force all 3 of me, hectic, and enchant to be scum from your pov?

Do you think me and hectic are partnered?

No, but you 2 are indiuivial scummy. Im not looking TOO much into parnters rnn. Also cuz I tr the others

If you think it is only 1 of us, then at least 1 of your town reads would have to be scum, right?

[HockeyFan]

VOTE: lukewarm
I can't tell whether his avatar is a hermit crab or a knight.

Luke is a strong town player but it should become readily apparent if he's scum so I would hold off on shooting him.

hockey
uhh like
does t3s positioning on luke/hectic have any weight in ur reads?

To be frank, no. I just did a quick skim over t3's logs and nothing really swayed my reads

[HockeyFan]

The real mafia are the friends we made along the way

Why did you make this post, Hockey? Like what in the thread was it a response to or referring to?

Was a meme post tbh. it was referring to Lukes 839 if anything.

[HockeyFan]

So your reads are. Toog, pav, and vulture all varying degrees of town?

Yes

Wouldn't that force all 3 of me, hectic, and enchant to be scum from your pov?

Do you think me and hectic are partnered?

No, but you 2 are indiuivial scummy. Im not looking TOO much into parnters rnn. Also cuz I tr the others

If you think it is only 1 of us, then at least 1 of your town reads would have to be scum, right?

Does it not concern you that this means you must be wrong on one of your town reads?

wdym

Also, if you think that it is 1 of us + enchant + 1 person who slipped into your town reads, it seems a little strange for you to be so strongly against shooting enchant.

Frankly, I think we get more info if we shoot one of you/hectic based on your guys flips.

Didn't you just say you were confident in your town reads? (Would pull quote if not on phone ) A town enchant would require 2 of your 3 town reads to be wrong, right?

Yes, but I am not entertaining that idea rn

[/
quote]

[HockeyFan]

So your reads are. Toog, pav, and vulture all varying degrees of town?

Yes

Wouldn't that force all 3 of me, hectic, and enchant to be scum from your pov?

Do you think me and hectic are partnered?

No, but you 2 are indiuivial scummy. Im not looking TOO much into parnters rnn. Also cuz I tr the others

If you think it is only 1 of us, then at least 1 of your town reads would have to be scum, right?

Does it not concern you that this means you must be wrong on one of your town reads?

wdym

Also, if you think that it is 1 of us + enchant + 1 person who slipped into your town reads, it seems a little strange for you to be so strongly against shooting enchant.

Frankly, I think we get more info if we shoot one of you/hectic based on your guys flips.

Didn't you just say you were confident in your town reads? (Would pull quote if not on phone ) A town enchant would require 2 of your 3 town reads to be wrong, right?

Yes, but I am not entertaining that idea rn

[/
quote]

1 - there are 3 scum. You have 3 town reads and 3 scum reads. BUT you don't think that me and hectic are partners, so one of your town reads must be scum, right?

3 - you said it would be bad if he got the gun, which would mean you are entertaining it...

(Side note, I really don't like the responses inside the quote box thing. It's something grandpamo does too, bit I feel like it makes it impossible for me to snip conv chains to reasonable lengths x.x)

1. No? Again you 2 are indiuvually scummy

2. What? How am I entertaining it if I SAID he got the gun? I just think You/Hectic are better shots here

[HockeyFan]

Hockey, can you come hit the puck around a bit?

Your post-shot silence and opting to post in other games is giving bullet shivers.

Hi hello, my solve is the same, stll think Toog is town. I looked through Vultures logs a bit and they /seem/ town enough for them to be town

[HockeyFan]

Like At this point, im just looking for ppl who are town

[HockeyFan]

Maybe my read on Pav did involve a bit bias of the consenous read on him, and if u want me to really re-eval him, i could do so, but I think hes town based on his interactions with u 2

[HockeyFan]

yes, but I think you can stay town for now. like im super fking conflicted because I dont think thier partners but other ppl are town to me. maybe i should re-attempt to read vulture when i get on PC

[HockeyFan]

Hi hello Sorry, Im here. I looked through Vultures iso in regards to t3/enchant and dont think they are partners

[HockeyFan]

Vulutres logs on t3

Spoiler:

(T3 isn't gonna have a good answer for you, Galron, because he's scum.)

Sring/throwing shade at a scum partner doesnt seem too likely this early on

Hockey is screaming newbtown and Art should know better than this.
VOTE: art

Newbies being all over the place and having complex thoughts like that is very strongly town indicative.

For example. ^

Decides that he is going to defend Hockey because complex thoughts (when 177 isn't complex and there are other things you could say about it if you feasibly wanted to townread it, like the fact that Hockey mentally went "I am agreeing with T3 on Luke... but T3/Luke is a pairing" not even bothering to present himself as town because he knows it; complex is a buzzword meant to sound like you're reading into things when you're not) and thus, because Art does not agree, goes after Art without trying to engage beyond "you know better".

Everything's shallow from T3. Not-complex, if you want.

Again, I dont think this is a scum interaction, and iirc Vulture's first push of the game was t3 and that just doesnt happen from scum buddies

*Waves hands at whatever this is.*

Same as above point

T3, sorry if I don't put a ton of stock in your op marci meta tell

Spoiler:

I can usually read marci really well hold up

Using my OP marci tell I'm putting her at strong townread.

marcistar

,

Mafia Goon

, eliminated on Day 3

fine lol
marci is really really really indecisive as scum and never vibereads anyone.

You are so incredibly wrong.

Or lying, but, you know.

TAKING TIME TO DISCREDIT T3 META READ ON Marci makes vulture omega town imo

T3 logs on vulture

Spoiler:

I suggest you shoot Galron Art or Vulture unless someone develops a strong opinion against that.

t3 wants to shoot Vulture early on

Hey.

Hello.

What's up?

A vulture.

This is the only /akward/ interaction between the 2 but dt its scum

Well Vulture is expressing a mindmeld with Art which is kinda wtf
I agree that Art/Vulture seems too level 1 but with the mindmeld thing Art!scum strongly implies Vulture!scum but not the other way around. I have my independent reasons for scumreading Art so this very strongly implies Vulture!scum. I know I said I townread Vulture but as noted, the reasonscan be bad/invalid.

Calling vulture scum

[HockeyFan]

This is why i dont think they're partners ftr. Also as for Enchant, Vulture didnt mention Enchant at all pretty much and I think scum buddies /want/ to interact with each other a bit

[HockeyFan]

Hi hello Sorry, Im here. I looked through Vultures iso in regards to t3/enchant and dont think they are partners

I don't know that anybody looks especially like partners with enchant. He's done scum that favor at least.

Meanwhile this is Hockey's second post in as many pages like he's forgotten about this game. Sounds disingenuous to me. The first time somebody asked him a question at least. This time it feels like "oof I'd better post something" but there's no substance here.

im.. not sure... toogeloo could be town but im not confident in that...

hockey help me...

Still think they're town for tring hectic/luke cuz as scum, thats super bold

[HockeyFan]

Vulutres logs on t3

Spoiler:

(T3 isn't gonna have a good answer for you, Galron, because he's scum.)

Sring/throwing shade at a scum partner doesnt seem too likely this early on

Hockey is screaming newbtown and Art should know better than this.
VOTE: art

Newbies being all over the place and having complex thoughts like that is very strongly town indicative.

For example. ^

Decides that he is going to defend Hockey because complex thoughts (when 177 isn't complex and there are other things you could say about it if you feasibly wanted to townread it, like the fact that Hockey mentally went "I am agreeing with T3 on Luke... but T3/Luke is a pairing" not even bothering to present himself as town because he knows it; complex is a buzzword meant to sound like you're reading into things when you're not) and thus, because Art does not agree, goes after Art without trying to engage beyond "you know better".

Everything's shallow from T3. Not-complex, if you want.

Again, I dont think this is a scum interaction, and iirc Vulture's first push of the game was t3 and that just doesnt happen from scum buddies

*Waves hands at whatever this is.*

Same as above point

T3, sorry if I don't put a ton of stock in your op marci meta tell

Spoiler:

I can usually read marci really well hold up

Using my OP marci tell I'm putting her at strong townread.

marcistar

,

Mafia Goon

, eliminated on Day 3

fine lol
marci is really really really indecisive as scum and never vibereads anyone.

You are so incredibly wrong.

Or lying, but, you know.

TAKING TIME TO DISCREDIT T3 META READ ON Marci makes vulture omega town imo

T3 logs on vulture

Spoiler:

I suggest you shoot Galron Art or Vulture unless someone develops a strong opinion against that.

t3 wants to shoot Vulture early on

Hey.

Hello.

What's up?

A vulture.

This is the only /akward/ interaction between the 2 but dt its scum

Well Vulture is expressing a mindmeld with Art which is kinda wtf
I agree that Art/Vulture seems too level 1 but with the mindmeld thing Art!scum strongly implies Vulture!scum but not the other way around. I have my independent reasons for scumreading Art so this very strongly implies Vulture!scum. I know I said I townread Vulture but as noted, the reasonscan be bad/invalid.

Calling vulture scum

I don't think that anything in t3's iso would lead me to think he could not be partners with vulture. (You even completely missed where t3 called vulture town by meta....)

But I guess I looked more closely in t3's then in vultures...

I can see that looks less partnery. Unless the scum team was on board for a t3 bus

iirc, Vulture was the first /real/ push on t3, so idt he would even need to bus there

[HockeyFan]

Hmph, Pav tring Hectic is intresting. Might make him more town lmao

[HockeyFan]

Vulutres logs on t3

Spoiler:

(T3 isn't gonna have a good answer for you, Galron, because he's scum.)

Sring/throwing shade at a scum partner doesnt seem too likely this early on

Hockey is screaming newbtown and Art should know better than this.
VOTE: art

Newbies being all over the place and having complex thoughts like that is very strongly town indicative.

For example. ^

Decides that he is going to defend Hockey because complex thoughts (when 177 isn't complex and there are other things you could say about it if you feasibly wanted to townread it, like the fact that Hockey mentally went "I am agreeing with T3 on Luke... but T3/Luke is a pairing" not even bothering to present himself as town because he knows it; complex is a buzzword meant to sound like you're reading into things when you're not) and thus, because Art does not agree, goes after Art without trying to engage beyond "you know better".

Everything's shallow from T3. Not-complex, if you want.

Again, I dont think this is a scum interaction, and iirc Vulture's first push of the game was t3 and that just doesnt happen from scum buddies

*Waves hands at whatever this is.*

Same as above point

T3, sorry if I don't put a ton of stock in your op marci meta tell

Spoiler:

I can usually read marci really well hold up

Using my OP marci tell I'm putting her at strong townread.

marcistar

,

Mafia Goon

, eliminated on Day 3

fine lol
marci is really really really indecisive as scum and never vibereads anyone.

You are so incredibly wrong.

Or lying, but, you know.

TAKING TIME TO DISCREDIT T3 META READ ON Marci makes vulture omega town imo

T3 logs on vulture

Spoiler:

I suggest you shoot Galron Art or Vulture unless someone develops a strong opinion against that.

t3 wants to shoot Vulture early on

Hey.

Hello.

What's up?

A vulture.

This is the only /akward/ interaction between the 2 but dt its scum

Well Vulture is expressing a mindmeld with Art which is kinda wtf
I agree that Art/Vulture seems too level 1 but with the mindmeld thing Art!scum strongly implies Vulture!scum but not the other way around. I have my independent reasons for scumreading Art so this very strongly implies Vulture!scum. I know I said I townread Vulture but as noted, the reasonscan be bad/invalid.

Calling vulture scum

The more that I think about this, the weirder it is that Hockey just left these posts out when he said he was putting interactions between the two

Spoiler:

I metadived Vulture and looked at his games. Town Vulture usually posts scummy and devoid of content sounding one-liners but will occasionally interject with a longer post that has content. This seems to be the same a Vulture this game. This read holds less merit for 2 reasons.
1. He's an alt.
2. He doesn't have a scumgame on this account.
If I'm right about who he is then I've played with him a bit on his other alts but I don't think it matters because the play doesn't match up.

I metadived Vulture and looked at his games. Town Vulture usually posts scummy and devoid of content sounding one-liners but will occasionally interject with a longer post that has content. This seems to be the same a Vulture this game. This read holds less merit for 2 reasons.
1. He's an alt.
2. He doesn't have a scumgame on this account.
If I'm right about who he is then I've played with him a bit on his other alts but I don't think it matters because the play doesn't match up.

So whats your read on Vulture based on this game?

I'm up to 3 names on my hipfire list.

The people you want to hipfire are presumably people you SR, so whats the point of hiding this info from town

Lean town.

Well Vulture is expressing a mindmeld with Art which is kinda wtf
I agree that Art/Vulture seems too level 1 but with the mindmeld thing Art!scum strongly implies Vulture!scum but not the other way around. I have my independent reasons for scumreading Art so this very strongly implies Vulture!scum. I know I said I townread Vulture but as noted, the reasonscan be bad/invalid.

And then he characterizes this post as calling vulture scum. When what it really says is "IF art is scum, THEN vulture is scum"


Which looking at that post again, kind of does make hectic less likely to be scum.

I am liking the Hockey+Vulture solve a bit more.

I didnt include 182 because t3 didnt really say anything about Vulutre. he just said town <vulutre> does this but never actually made a clear read until further
I didnt see 193 tbh, I skimmed over it but didnt pay close attention to it. I dont think a scum partner LEANS town thier own buddy who is sring them
198 is swapping his read on vulutre which idt a scum buddy does

[HockeyFan]

shoot luke/hectic :^)

[HockeyFan]

I feel like Marci is low-key trolling, tbqh. Either that or they probably spend 30 minutes trying to figure out which breakfast cereal they want in the morning.

lol

[HockeyFan]

Im most likely just gonna hipfire luke

[HockeyFan]

I am shooting within the next 7 hours. @Pav, whats your thoughts of the gamestate if Luke flips town

[HockeyFan]

Game becomes trickier in that case as I'm gonna have to revisit my townreads on hectic / vulture. I still think Toog could flip red but wouldn't surprise me if they flipped green either.

If Luke flips green the question is whether I've been taken in by 1 person or 2.

If I go with my gut right now, on a green Luke flip the new, confused me would be looking the hardest at Toog and Hectic.

Why wouldnt u look at Vulutre?

[HockeyFan]

Ok u said you would revisit your townread on vulture but you said you would be looking hardest at toog/hectic. So how much would a luke green flip re-eval your flip on Vulture

[HockeyFan]

RIP Marci.

Uh... I said I would try to get back into this but my reads remain.

The only weird thing is what Hockey pointed out about Luke / me because a green flip should set off alarm bells in his head given the dynamic we have had this game.

I don’t know if he’s writing that off as a thing because he scumreads Luke or what have you.

I probably end up at Pav/Toog if Luke is town fwiw. I haven’t read back deeply through how Luke and Hectic interacted and the flipping around of reads there though so it’s subject to change. If Luke is scum which is where I’m at then it’s probably just Toog for me atm.

What does the bolded mean? Are you trying to anti-pair yourself with Luke? seems kinda odd?

Also, the progression of peoples reads on Hectic is so ???. Like people hard trd him, started shading him a bit, and then back to him not being in your poe. like wtf. i think hectic is town BECAUSE of this

[HockeyFan]

Luke and Hockey, I'd like to hear from both of you the best reason for why Toog is town

Considering the earlier discussion about why the Art look through isn't actually that much effort
And their 935 still pings me a lot (957 - explanation)

Honestly its a gut read and looking through his iso, he hasnt done anything that stands out as scummy to me

[HockeyFan]

[quote="In post 1106, Hectic"][/quote]

TOWN.

Ok sorry if this is a throw, but Im probs shooting /now/.

VOTE: Shoot: Lukewarm

Some legacy reads:
Vulutre is still Town imo based on interactions with others
Hectic I think is town based on others interactions with them
Pav can be mafia ig cuz I tr toog. im probs wrong about Hectic tho. Vulture/Toog are my hardest trs rn

[HockeyFan]

wtf quoting scuffed, didnt even get to quote the mario gif

[HockeyFan]

Luke........| 10
Pav...........| 7
Hockey......| 7
Vulture......| 5
Hectic........| 4
Enchant.....| 3
T3............| 3
Toog.........| 2

[HockeyFan]

Luke........| 10
Pav...........| 7
Hockey......| 7
Vulture......| 5
Hectic........| 4
Enchant.....| 3
T3............| 3
Toog.........| 2

[HockeyFan]

oops didnt mean to send twice

[HockeyFan]

oops didnt mean to send twice

[HockeyFan]

wtf

[HockeyFan]

idfk how many ppl are even alive anymroe LOL. think its luke,pav,hectic,toog,vulutre? so lukes shot if town is the game deciding shot? F, sorry luke lol

[HockeyFan]

if luke is scum, i have no clue who tf i would be shooting

[HockeyFan]

When are we getting the flip. Luke just dipping from thread makes me confident this is scum tho

[HockeyFan]

oh nice

[HockeyFan]

i really dont want to shoot vulture so

VOTE: Shoot: Hectic

Now IF this flips town

I think you go Toog/Pav(they both share same scum equity), Vulture

u dont have to listen to me but i think thats where im at rn

[HockeyFan]

gg's, scum team played well, fun game overall, although as most ppl have said, this game would have benefited from shorter deadlines

[HockeyFan]

The two games ive played with luke, hes been scum both times F

[HockeyFan]

excellent plan