Micro 1053: DmangwGBiaf [game over]

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Aristeia
Something is concerning me about you right now

[Dwlee99]

Nah she's scum it's sad

[Dwlee99]

And a cold-blooded murderer :<

[Dwlee99]

I haven't worn my glasses in almost 6 months

[Dwlee99]

Okay and I see horns on you I don't go around pointing them out

[Dwlee99]

AHA now did Aristeia genuinely post that or did she sense that is what I was concerned about and post it to pocket me

[Dwlee99]

I expected your opener to be more "kill GeorgeBailey for flirting with Datisi"

[Dwlee99]

I noticed something

Also construction is happening extremely close to me and it woke me up and I don't have the willpower to get out of bed right now

[Dwlee99]

I already did

[Dwlee99]

AHA now did Aristeia genuinely post that or did she sense that is what I was concerned about and post it to pocket me

I expected your opener to be more "kill GeorgeBailey for flirting with Datisi"

[Dwlee99]

I didn't expect you to flirt so much as be jealous of GeorgeBailey

[Dwlee99]

That sentence doesn't make sense

I thought you'd express GeorgeBailey jealousy but you ignored him and talked to a koopa shell instead

[Dwlee99]

You are taking this more seriously than I am sorry

[Dwlee99]

Yes b is the correct interpretation lol

[Dwlee99]

You are a-ok

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Koopa
I've decided to bother the green shell instead

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Koopa
I've decided to bother the green shell instead

What if i bother you.
VOTE: Dwlee99

Do you really think this is your best lead rn

[Dwlee99]

I don't think it's a lead but it seems like you might think it's a lead

[Dwlee99]

I don't have much in the way of reads yet though

[Dwlee99]

How do you know about the reverse glitch step wtf

[Dwlee99]

Where did I mention this

[Dwlee99]

How is being eager to attack but without a clear platform scummy?

[Dwlee99]

Where did I mention this

it was in a discord voice call in bus while I was playing factorio
-Bugspray

Oh right. That was a good time lol

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Jack D Ripper

[Dwlee99]

why did i join a table of people i suck at reading

If it was easy it wouldn't be fun

[Dwlee99]

Wouldn't scum want to do the opposite?

[Dwlee99]

jack seems new

alts usually come with avatars

Counterpoint: lost to a no-avatar alt in viewtopic.php?f=51&t=88932

[Dwlee99]

Your vote was the third vote though, which puts me at E-2 when you don't even feel a particular direction on my slot?

[Dwlee99]

If you don't feel anything about the slot it kinda is

[Dwlee99]

If there was something scummy then sure, but their point was that I was interesting not scummy. Interesting doesn't correlate with thinking it's a good thing to E-2 that early.

[Dwlee99]

STD how does Jack being Gamma change your read there?

[Dwlee99]

I have no opinion on your meta

[Dwlee99]

I have no opinion on your meta

But you should know my vote on you is well within my townrange, I am prone to voting to sort rather than to push
I don’t entirely expect you to unvote but you’re posing the question to StD of whether me being Jack changes things when imo it should definitely change things for you

I have no memory of what your town range is sorry

[Dwlee99]

Cause he said Jack could be new to explain their behavior and it's clear Jack was actually not new at all

[Dwlee99]

You just saw town!me >:(

Uhhh when

[Dwlee99]

I forgot you were in that game oops

Probably cause I was scum and didn't actually try to sort you

[Dwlee99]

How do you know if I self-reflected

[Dwlee99]

How do you know if I self-reflected

Well did you?
To correct my statement, there’s no sign of self-reflection from you.

I thought about it and I didn't remember anything that would make me change my read on you by knowing who you are

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Gamma

So it’s Gamma and NorwegianboyEE. Awesome. Didn’t think it’d be such a simple solve.

I mean we have mad scientist Koopa over here
Researcher Ari being the counter to mad scientist the tinfoil
Bugspray is wtf but I don’t imagine scum doing that.

So by process of elimination a scum is in Gamma and Dwlee but not both.

Easy game. Check mate.

Stop being so obvious lmao.

And for the record Koopa, sometimes I don’t say reads to not put the obvious out there.

Your reasoning on bugspray is kinda meh but I do townread Ari/Koopa. I feel like you're missing someone though?

[Dwlee99]

What about STD and yeet? They can be scum without me or gamma being scum even if you're town?

[Dwlee99]

So your base assumption is that TvTs are exceedingly rare?

[Dwlee99]

My experience is actually that town will frequently eat themselves when met with a scum team that is doing nothing (which I'd say yeet/STD fit that criteria exactly). It's why scum lurk strategies work so well even in this meta

[Dwlee99]

My experience is actually that town will frequently eat themselves when met with a scum team that is doing nothing (which I'd say yeet/STD fit that criteria exactly). It's why scum lurk strategies work so well even in this meta

Then you’re voting Gamma and not StD/yeet because?

I'm talking plausibility: you're making a lot of assumptions to justify your vote that I don't think are sound and it feels like you might be planning to chain me/gamma

[Dwlee99]

Where did I say I think it's STD/yeet lol

[Dwlee99]

I say what I mean stop trying to inject extra meaning where there isn't any

[Dwlee99]

Unannounced E-1, classy

[Dwlee99]

From your point of view you've made assumptions about a lot of things to get where you are and I think your goal is to chain me/gamma
VOTE: Rean

You can't just ignore two players to declare you've solved the game

[Dwlee99]

Two RVS wagons hitting town is actually more probable than SvT: 7/9 * 6/8 = 58%, so the entire basis of your belief we have to contain scum is just wrong

[Dwlee99]

No, you did ignore players. You said "these players are town, so these players have to be scum." That only works if you actually go through enough town reads to narrow down scum but you literally ignore two people while pushing a poe solve

[Dwlee99]

And then you're pushing me for saying your logic is bad because ???

Like you think I have to believe that STD and or Yeet have to be scum to point out that your logic sucks? I don't have a read on them cause they've done absolutely nothing but not for long enough that I want to kill them yet, how could I actually hold a belief on those slots?

[Dwlee99]

Oh the not voting thing okay hm

[Dwlee99]

I will say I think you're still overestimating VCA (I've lost games cause townie thinks "how could this wagon have no scum on it") but your thoughts are more believable now
UNVOTE:

[Dwlee99]

I'm thinking

[Dwlee99]

Let's say Gamma/Me are SvT, do you think that Gamma's partner is necessarily voting me? I'm curious why you feel confident on Norwee as the gamma partner when STD or Yeet could still be off-wagon as scum here

[Dwlee99]

And who would be scum with me? STD/Yeet/??

[Dwlee99]

Ftr I think bugspray makes sense as a gamma partner

[Dwlee99]

Ftr I think bugspray makes sense as a gamma partner

Doesn't Bugspray kinda make sense as partner for anyone by account of them not rly doing anything specific other than meme.

Yes but rean townreads bugspray

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee who is the scum voting you if you're town.

Bugs/Gamma/You

[Dwlee99]

Lol honestly maybe Rean is scum idk if what I picked up on from that slot is scummy or not

[Dwlee99]

Yes

[Dwlee99]

The only person I have reason to townread on my wagon is Rean but there's also reason to scumread there so who do you want me to townread on my wagon?

[Dwlee99]

And who would be scum with me? STD/Yeet/??

I am not sure. I just think you’re more likely scum than Gamma.

I don’t get that bugspray read. Care to go into that more?

Bugspray hasn't done anything that should make you townread them. They're also voting me, so they should be a consideration for a gamma partner.

What makes you think I'm more likely scum than Gamma when you can't even find who would be my partner?

[Dwlee99]

I didn't want you to do anything other than tell me your thoughts.

The only thoughts I feel decent on are Ari/Koopa town

[Dwlee99]

The gimmick was decided before the game started, why would you townread them for it?

[Dwlee99]

One time I townread a pooky/ydra gimmick hydra because "why would they give up their agency as scum to only post in art memes" well turns out I'm an idiot and they were scum

[Dwlee99]

It doesn't really have to do with the gimmick, more their lack of purpose.

What makes you think bugspray plays scum with purpose?

[Dwlee99]

Link? Have not seen that from bugspray

[Dwlee99]

One time I townread a pooky/ydra gimmick hydra because "why would they give up their agency as scum to only post in art memes" well turns out I'm an idiot and they were scum

If you don't intend to vote Bugspray then what's the point in arguing. Are you just trying to make us paranoid of the slot?

To discuss reads? If you can convince me bugs is town then I also can narrow down a poe?

[Dwlee99]

Link? Have not seen that from bugspray

viewtopic.php?f=51&t=89054&hilit=+bugspray

Okay will look at this in a bit

[Dwlee99]

Link? Have not seen that from bugspray

viewtopic.php?f=51&t=89054&hilit=+bugspray

I skimmed and don't get a tryhard vibe. I mean bugs is trying sure but they aren't trying so hard that it would be out of their scum range to meme around in a preconceived way at the beginning of the game?

[Dwlee99]

Norwee is blatant town btw

Why

[Dwlee99]

Koba I want long-form Rean case

[Dwlee99]

I've not seen greeting scum

[Dwlee99]

I will say I think you're still overestimating VCA (I've lost games cause townie thinks "how could this wagon have no scum on it") but your thoughts are more believable now
UNVOTE:

This post is a little funnier now

[Dwlee99]

I've not seen greeting scum

Greeting repped in as scum in the game you were in that i modded.

Oh yeah lol that wouldn't be a convincing argument

[Dwlee99]

dwlee

do you like ice cream?

Yes. I think my favorite is this one called bear tracks that has caramel swirl and pieces of fudge brownie in it

[Dwlee99]

Not the pecan one !!!

[Dwlee99]

I have come around to STD and Norwee town I think

[Dwlee99]

I have come around to STD and Norwee town I think

nice try thats actually the scumteam

also how abt yeet

I could yeet Yeet cause they've done nothing

[Dwlee99]

Also 7 is not divisible by 3

[Dwlee99]

His reeval on me seems kinda legit

[Dwlee99]

Oh for some reason I thought he was voting me and unvoted me

Okay nevermind I have no clue

[Dwlee99]

It is, but that would start a long ass ramble that probably no one cares but me.

My StD townread is because those shades are cool /s

I just get town vibes from recent posting. Plus hopefully they give me ice cream.

Divisible means you can divide the numbers without remainder in every context I've seen

[Dwlee99]

Locktown

[Dwlee99]

Evenly divisible and divisible are the same. Every rational is divisible by every other rational (except zero) by your definition, which isn't a useful definition

[Dwlee99]

You can do a / b without saying that b | a

[Dwlee99]

(or a | b, think I mixed up the order of the divisible sign)

[Dwlee99]

n o

[Dwlee99]

7 isn't divisible by 3 in the ring of integers, checkmate okay I'm gonna go outside and touch grass now

[Dwlee99]

It feels improper to hammer without claim, although I know the green shell stops for no one.

[Dwlee99]

The hammer grows impatient

[Dwlee99]

Wow I can't believe you'd hammer without claim there smh

[Dwlee99]

Oh my goodness! I was fooled!

[Dwlee99]

I think I liked yeet's post but probably too much because he said my name and town a bunch of times

[Dwlee99]

That is indeed opposite of shade

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: bugspray

[Dwlee99]

Fine but you better not be wrong
VOTE: Yeet

[Dwlee99]

Prove it ?

[Dwlee99]

I think you could be sure

[Dwlee99]

Koba I just knew to avoid you for D1 before I night kill you tonight and can start turning the gears y'know

[Dwlee99]

I think you could be sure

Why? Give one single good reason that hasn't been refuted.

Have any of them been refuted

VOTE: bugspray

Whatever I'll go back here cause it feels like the koopa agrees w me that this is scum but is voting you instead

[Dwlee99]

You aren't at E-1 anymore you're fineee

[Dwlee99]

You have to understand I only got through the part about me because I was the first name lmao

[Dwlee99]

I'm playing efficiently

[Dwlee99]

Can you put bugspray back on E-1 please

[Dwlee99]

You have to understand I only got through the part about me because I was the first name lmao

I'm confused why you have just been shading me then if you haven't really been reading my posts? And how you formed an actual town opinion on your thing if I just called you town and you know that?

I don't even feel like I shaded you. I was following thread vibe

[Dwlee99]

Yeet if you're town all you need to do here is just not look aligned af with bugspray and we will kill bugspray and it will be amazing

[Dwlee99]

Yeet you literally just need to vote bugspray why is this so hard

[Dwlee99]

Yeet you literally just need to vote bugspray why is this so hard

Are you that confident? What’s your worldview of reads looking like rn?

It feels like you want to die that's what it feels like

[Dwlee99]

You're playing like you do

[Dwlee99]

Like homie just vote bugspray, the slot is probably scum

[Dwlee99]

You voted the slot at most 48 hours ago homie

[Dwlee99]

Why do you refuse to answer why you are so confident on bug spray scum

Cause they're in the scum pt asking me to stop bussing them

[Dwlee99]

so what ur saying is it isnt bugspray but its std

im in too deep on this yeet scumread if im wrong im wrong

Or you can kill the spray of bugs

[Dwlee99]

Aristeia can you explain what exactly you are feeling bad about more?

I'm used to koba/mathblade/norwee/dwlee/you posting more.

I'm not sure if the game state feels dead because we're wrong or because we're right - it just feels off.

I've been a tad busier this week. I also feel like there isn't all that much to discuss right now idk I want bugspray gone but bugspray isn't posting.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: NK 15

[Dwlee99]

I am against mass claim fwiw

[Dwlee99]

I am against mass claim fwiw

can you make a case why?

I have seen towns fail to mass claim and lose because of it.

I would rather not elim in the dark and be dealing with fake claims at elo

I think we hit scum on NK15 and then we aren't in ELO tomorrow

[Dwlee99]

He repped in and quickhammered town lol

[Dwlee99]

It makes it very probable

[Dwlee99]

Yeet was like low-key obviously town too is the thing

[Dwlee99]

In the way that's mostly obvious after you see the flip but I was really trying to work with him to avoid being yeeted but he just would not cooperate and vote bugspray

[Dwlee99]

No are you with NK15?

[Dwlee99]

Then I will repent for my sins to the mafia gods

[Dwlee99]

Yea and my confidence about Cephrir last game was off too?

[Dwlee99]

I'll look if you provide me an example of town!nk15 quickhammering town

[Dwlee99]

Who do you think is NK15s partner

Idk yet

[Dwlee99]

you're the one who's trying to make the case he is doing it as mafia.

It is scum-indicative in the general case, why do I have to supply specific meta for this?

[Dwlee99]

Because it's scummy

[Dwlee99]

Thanks!

[Dwlee99]

The relevance of the Cephrir thing was that my confidence isn't weird because it's the same way I approached limming Cephrir. Nothing about me being right or not

[Dwlee99]

UNVOTE:
Alright I'm convinced

[Dwlee99]

The relevance of the Cephrir thing was that my confidence isn't weird because it's the same way I approached limming Cephrir. Nothing about me being right or not

Have you read many NK15 Scum!games? Which one do you think his play here is similar to?

The one that is in my mind he got caught extremely early but I think it'd be silly to assume he is town just because he isn't playing as scummily.

But I kinda get your point + there's more etc.

[Dwlee99]

You're not supposed to imply anything before you claim especially since you're trying to be last so bad

[Dwlee99]

These procedural posts truly awaken something in me

[Dwlee99]

I'm not assuming he is town.

I am just not confident he is scum and we can slam dunk him for an easy scum lim because he does not play rationally.

Like people like Cephrir I can be fairly sure of their alignment after engaging them over a few days - but NK15 is more like flipping a coin because his motivations feel random

Ye I gotcha

[Dwlee99]

Shouldn't people without results claim first so people with results can call them out on their lies?

[Dwlee99]

If he claims a guilty then worst case we go one for one

[Dwlee99]

Another day in the life

[Dwlee99]

I think rean is town (?) so can we just have rean pick someone else and continue this

[Dwlee99]

I just want to actually get to playing the game

[Dwlee99]

We aren't playing the game. We're mass claiming. And you're not even supposed to interrupt the mass claim unless there's a hard conflict in claims

[Dwlee99]

Cause I don't want them limmed lmao what

[Dwlee99]

Never had someone just refuse before

[Dwlee99]

i am fine with eliminating rean if he refused to claim.


dwlee should know from achromatic game that this is exactly why you make rean claim first

In that case I scumread pooky

[Dwlee99]

I think rean is town (?) so can we just have rean pick someone else and continue this

why do you think rean is town

Based on my experience with mathblade, plus koba agreed I think? Lemme check

[Dwlee99]

Nvm okay maybe rean is scum lemme check some stuff out

[Dwlee99]

I think our interpretation of math's play might be different

[Dwlee99]

Can you link me to a more direct part of the ISO? Or around where it is that I should look? I don't think MathBlade lies about logic as scum

[Dwlee99]

Reviewing koopa ISO I think scum!mathblade would make that kill

[Dwlee99]

I agree with your logic about not worrying about a fake claim, I mean I've said as much, I just need to check if it makes mathblade scum that he disagrees

[Dwlee99]

I'm VT

[Dwlee99]

Okay don't lim me and we win let's go

[Dwlee99]

STD why did you ask me about my favorite ice cream flavor?

[Dwlee99]

My solve is Rean/Ari unaligned with Norwee being their second but I should probably consider the Ari bussing angle harder

[Dwlee99]

Oh it was a joke

I thought it was a PR soft lmaoo

[Dwlee99]

I'm town

2 of Norwee/Ari/Rean have to be scum cause everyone else is town

Ari and Rean seem unaligned

[Dwlee99]

I don't keep notes while I play despite this being optimal play I am sorry

[Dwlee99]

I am lazy and a bad player please forgive me for my sins against the mafia gods

[Dwlee99]

Ari and Rean have butted heads a lot today re: the mass claim. Doesn't feel like it's a planned butt of heads from my recollection of it because ari seems annoyed at rean

[Dwlee99]

It's been 9 minutes please calm down

[Dwlee99]

I want to see what other people say before I really get going. I need things to click. I need to eventually review things like Ari/Rean interactions. We have time. I'm not going to immediately call for Norwee's head without being more sure of it. I literally said this and the way you're painting this as an excuse and not just y'know a reasonable thing to do makes me think you're scum

[Dwlee99]

Yea I felt pretty confident in my answer despite it being wrong and now you're mad I'm less confident immediately reacting to this new info...

[Dwlee99]

Was this NRG reviewed?

[Dwlee99]

Being mad = finding my reaction suspicious in this context

[Dwlee99]

As in like your posts imply I'm doing something bad as town idk

[Dwlee99]

As in like your posts imply I'm doing something bad as town idk

no my implication is that you're mafia because if you were town you would've been voting for Norwee.

Except I am town and I didn't vote for Norwee so no

[Dwlee99]

Accusing me of being scum because I didn't vote Norwee on my

initial gut hunch as to the solve

is disingenuous as fuck

[Dwlee99]

also I have a hard time believing you actually think Norwee/Ari is a viable solution given that my scum game is based mostly on naked aggression and it would've been trivial for me to get Norwee onboard with yeeting NK15 immediately at daystart when you/rean piled onto him and tommorrow we just crush you at elo.

WHEN HAVE I SEEN YOUR SCUM GAME

[Dwlee99]

also I have a hard time believing you actually think Norwee/Ari is a viable solution given that my scum game is based mostly on naked aggression and it would've been trivial for me to get Norwee onboard with yeeting NK15 immediately at daystart when you/rean piled onto him and tommorrow we just crush you at elo.

WHEN HAVE I SEEN YOUR SCUM GAME

Weren’t you in scweppes pulpy potions?

I was in some potion game but Aristeia wasn't in that one?

[Dwlee99]

But like Ari if you're town you're implying way too much thinking ahead for me here. Like what based on my posts or play ever do you think I even got to the depth of evaluating the Ari/Norwee branch when I made that post that would have had me thinking about your ability to vote out NK. I am literally playing checkers and you are playing intergalactic go

[Dwlee99]

also I have a hard time believing you actually think Norwee/Ari is a viable solution given that my scum game is based mostly on naked aggression and it would've been trivial for me to get Norwee onboard with yeeting NK15 immediately at daystart when you/rean piled onto him and tommorrow we just crush you at elo.

WHEN HAVE I SEEN YOUR SCUM GAME

Weren’t you in scweppes pulpy potions?

I was in some potion game but Aristeia wasn't in that one?

She was.

I found it and she was but I have no recollection of it so it may as well have not have when considering her play

[Dwlee99]

From my memory RCE never repped out and I limmed him not aristeia lmao

[Dwlee99]

This game makes more sense if NK15 is scum tbh

[Dwlee99]

From my memory RCE never repped out and I limmed him not aristeia lmao

RCE and Aristeia got limmed back2back

Were YOU in that game ???

[Dwlee99]

This game makes more sense if NK15 is scum tbh

except he has an inno result on him

Yes yes I know but like this game just makes way more sense from a reads perspective if he were scum

[Dwlee99]

Especially when he was all "I had a reason to hammer!" which y'know heavily implies being a PR but then is VT? And his analysis of my ISO is "what's even townie in here" when he joined the game and immediately quickhammered someone

[Dwlee99]

This game makes more sense if NK15 is scum tbh

except he has an inno result on him

Yes yes I know but like this game just makes way more sense from a reads perspective if he were scum

So what? Gamma is fake claiming?

You're misunderstanding what I'm saying

[Dwlee99]

I don't believe that NK15 is scum because it is blatantly improbable

But, the game would be more logical if he were, ignoring Gamma's claim

[Dwlee99]

Norwee/Aristeia seems to have legitimate reasons to not be the case, Aristeia and Norwee could have pushed through NK kinda easily and just didn't unless they had knowledge of Gamma's inno or didn't want to go too aggressive with it. Actually, the possibility here is definitely them just thinking they could let town dig their own grave by me/rean pushing through nk15 while they look good for resisting it.

[Dwlee99]

Especially when he was all "I had a reason to hammer!" which y'know heavily implies being a PR but then is VT? And his analysis of my ISO is "what's even townie in here" when he joined the game and immediately quickhammered someone

his play is surface level very anti-town but that doesn't mean his alignment is mafia.

Yes but it's kind of absurd if you think about it

[Dwlee99]

I do agree Rean appears to be anti-spewing but that still leaves who is his partner. Norwee seems too fine with gamestate to be rean partner and suggest flipping me and rean because I feel like he doesn't win a 1v1 vs Aristeia. But... Aristeia being aligned with Rean would also be strange.

[Dwlee99]

it feels to me like you are scum who is frustrated you can't get an elim off on this blatantly scummy townie.

I'd probably post about it in my scum PT instead of openly just talking about how weird NK has played

[Dwlee99]

If I get an agreement that on a rean town flip y'all will lim aristeia and norwee I'll agree to it. I think it is a game-solving lim in the sense that I think Rean!town should be near clearing for me based on my interactions about him, and that if he's scum we limmed scum which is never bad.

[Dwlee99]

I do agree Rean appears to be anti-spewing but that still leaves who is his partner.

have you tried looking in the mirror

But I am not scum do you see the dilemma lmao

[Dwlee99]

I do agree that if I'm scum with Rean I'm pretty much forced to defend him here, but I also think that you should see how from town!me's perspective the associatives feel like rean kinda has to be town

[Dwlee99]

how does Rean!Town clear you again?

If I'm scum I literally have to have town!Rean limmed to win but I'm opposing it right now

[Dwlee99]

What.

Why i would be alligned with Aristeia.

The argument isn't that direct. I feel like you don't make sense with Rean right now. Aristeia doesn't make sense with Rean right now. So it'd have to be you...

[Dwlee99]

like what has rean even done that is town indicative?

Day 1: parked on Yeet encouraged his elim

Day 2: tried to force through NK15!town elim

opposed mass claim with weird logic that doesn't really make sense.

after mass claim he gives up and says he's fine being elimmed.

I am not even sure what you are town reading.

I'm not townreading the play I'm townreading the associatives with the slot

[Dwlee99]

how does Rean!Town clear you again?

If I'm scum I literally have to have town!Rean limmed to win but I'm opposing it right now

by that logic I should be town for opposing you on NK15 being limmed.


also if you're scum and Rean is town and everyone who is town thinks Rean is scum, your opposition doesn't really mean much? Whether you oppose it or not, Rean is getting eliminated.

But you didn't have to get NK limmed when you opposed it to win. That was before mass claim. And sure I could be letting town eat itself but then do you think Norwee is my partner?

[Dwlee99]

can you explain the associatives?

Norwee: Gleefully wants me then Rean eliminated. He doesn't win a 1v1 against you so this makes no sense from norwee/rean partner.

You: You've been one of the main Rean critics. You could be scum with Rean because I've gotten vibes you might want to pivot to me but this feels less likely than just you trying to mislim him.

[Dwlee99]

But you didn't have to get NK limmed when you opposed it to win. That was before mass claim. And sure I could be letting town eat itself but then do you think Norwee is my partner?

It makes more sense for scum to be pushing the lim thru before mass claim because if you lim town at F7 you can counterclaim in mass claim and maybe win outright

now scum are forced to play in a narrow POE and town just has to pick one correct townie to win.

I don't know but it feels weird as fuck that you're trying to say if Rean is town then I am conftown like what? That's not how the game works?

If anything you look super weird for somehow knowing rean is town when nobody else thinks he is town?

I don't think scum expected 3 conftown from mass claim

[Dwlee99]

Because Ari is better positioned as the rean pusher

[Dwlee99]

Norwee: Gleefully wants me then Rean eliminated. He doesn't win a 1v1 against you so this makes no sense from norwee/rean partner.

What options does Norwee/Rean team have exactly.

If Rean gives up and thinks game is imbalanced and tells Norwee to bus him in the PT why wouldn't Norwee try to get as much bus cred as possible?

This analysis is very surface level.

Scum do not make decisions in game states based on what they think they can win - they make the decision based on which decision gives them the best odds of winning.

Let's say the scum!team is Norwee/Rean - what do you think that team does instead of what is happening now?

He plays off my defense of Rean and tries to pivot to you?

[Dwlee99]

They are made up on the spot lol

[Dwlee99]

I'll get back to you on that

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Enchant
I'm way too deep in Aristeia's pocket if she is scum here lol

[Dwlee99]

Gg, thanks for realizing I was just extremely wrong town instead of scum

[Dwlee99]

I'd say this is probably more townsided than 2 masons but also more swingy.

[Dwlee99]

I completely agree that there are scenarios in which there are less clears like you pointed out. I also don't think this is townsided to an unreasonable degree. But because there are scenarios like those you mentioned, I think that it makes the setup swingy. 2 masons is 2 masons, whereas TA + FN mailman can be 3, 2, or 1 (or even zero if FN targets the N1 kill) clears.

I don't think swingy is inherently bad for the record, and I also think this setup is pretty balanced, it's just this game I think we saw the swing of the setup completely towards town.