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[Aristeia]

hi dats <3


hi ausuka!

[Aristeia]

i wish i did :<

[Aristeia]

i wouldn't want you to die alongside me if i ended up being dumb and getting myself killed though :<

I wouldn't want to live in a world where you are dead ;_;

[Aristeia]

I am willing to yeet Ausuka tbh

[Aristeia]

I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that Ausuka decided to fake claim miller as a mafia

[Aristeia]

remember when Prism decided to fake claim ascetic in her first post ~.~

[Aristeia]

On Ausuka, I personally lean slightly town on the claim. I think it would draw too much unwanted attention for her to be willing to fake it.

uh

i have never seen a town lim a miller claim. usually its just believed automatically.

[Aristeia]

Hello everyone!! I'm really excited to play with you all

I have an idea, hear me out. The thing is, scamper's avatar is too cute. It's too powerful. If he's scum, we're literally never going to catch him because people will be about to vote and then they'll look at that cute little cat and go "aww" and then not have the heart to go through with it. So what I propose is that we eliminate him now before he has a chance to post again. I've run the numbers on expected win percentages and there's no time to explain it in detail, but trust me, it's the mechanically optimal play.

VOTE: scamper

Quickly, it's our only chance!

scamper is too cute to vote tho >___>

[Aristeia]

I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that Ausuka decided to fake claim miller as a mafia

isn't there a difference between "not outside of the realm of possibility" and "would yeet"?

willing to yeet for me is slightly +scum

i have suspicions.

[Aristeia]

ok

why do you suspect ausuka

mechanically I don't think a miller makes a lot of sense in a micro, there just doesn't feel like the space for it.

I don't recall ever seeing a miller be in a micro, but if you have experience with a micro with a miller, please link me.

I guess I also don't think Ausuka claims miller in the manner she does - I have a different mental model in my head about how she would claim miller if she were a miller.

It's not something that I feel confident in - just a starting point for early in the day.

[Aristeia]

she's fine "yeeting" you right now as it is, which I'm not.

um

this interpretation is incorrect.

I would like this day to last a long time so I can flirt with Dats more.

[Aristeia]

i am!

i kinda think phoenix is townie

scamper is town

[Aristeia]

mmm Xayah is also town

I am very good at this game.[noone laugh at me]

[Aristeia]

mmm Xayah is also town

I am very good at this game.[noone laugh at me]

Could you elaborate on this read?

48 feels like a nuanced townie thought.

[Aristeia]

I guess I also don't think Ausuka claims miller in the manner she does - I have a different mental model in my head about how she would claim miller if she were a miller.

??????

I think if you were a miller you would've had a different opening.

It feels like a gambit.

[Aristeia]

well you would open with a claim right away if you are a miller

I just think the energy felt off.

[Aristeia]

i am sad dats doesnt think I am flirting with him at all >_<

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: For Dats<3

[Aristeia]

phoenix kinda feels like he's trying to be ~logically correct and consistent~ without having the
my way too early solve is 2 in {phoenix, done, coral}

What's Coral doing in there?

she's one of the people i do not townread at all

Spoiler:

excluding aristeia as well because i do not want to have her in my poe right now even though i don't have a reason not to have her there

awwww

[Aristeia]

I wouldn't say 'maybe I'm just salty' is the same as being 'huffy and upset' but like whatever.

I wouldn't say I have a read on Aristeia? I don't think her push on me is fully unreasonable but I haven't seen anything town indicative for her.

my existence is town indicative

[Aristeia]

VOTE: done

[Aristeia]

I also changed my mind and decided Ari is town!

what changed your mind from your vote up until now?

I'm really easy to read because I'm too cute to be scum

[Aristeia]

I think I might still be pocketed by Coral's sundress it's so pretty

[Aristeia]

scamper is precious

[Aristeia]

coral maybe town

i am a sucker for self meta

[Aristeia]

I feel fine enough about most people in the thread that they've given me enough to work with minus Meg and Ari so I will continue voting them until further notice

I am not sure this method of scumhunting is very fruitful

[Aristeia]

Hi Galron!

[Aristeia]

you do sound townier when you're sleep deprived and about to pass out dear

VOTE: Galron

[Aristeia]

good night dats <3

[Aristeia]

she's playing by the philosophy of "post things to avoid death"

[Aristeia]

Xayah

[Aristeia]

I think it makes sense for town!her to think along these lines tbh

[Aristeia]

ah, i thought you were saying she's scummy for it

is anything else on your mind :>

I'm wondering why you're not as flirty as usual

I promise I won't scumread you for it <3

[Aristeia]

she's playing by the philosophy of "post things to avoid death"

Hey, not true I'm used to play 1 irl day phase so this 9 player stuff means I can just kick back and take my time and not have to worry about anything. It's quite a nice change of pace. Although, I do miss the instant results of finding out if I'm correct read wise. My only real strong TR atm is the replacement and Done

?

I am saying your process is basically "these people have posted enough to not be on my death list for today" and "these people have not"

[Aristeia]

oh I don't think it's about post count for you at all.

you seem to be going on word count but you haven't actually sorted based on the walls posted and I'm waiting to see if you actually do anything.

[Aristeia]

I feel fine enough about most people in the thread that they've given me enough to work with minus Meg and Ari so I will continue voting them until further notice

I am not sure this method of scumhunting is very fruitful

I said this before you voted for me and I don't really care if you vote for me or not.

[Aristeia]

I'm wondering why you're not as flirty as usual

i dunno. i wanted to let you do your thing for a bit first to see what you do. so i just kinda didn't :<

have a song? <3

Spoiler:

mmm hmmm

I don't think you flirting with me really affects my process?

I'm not like

that

easily distracted - besides there's not a lot going on.

Love the song <3

[Aristeia]

I can easily point to things I think look villagery in a lot of players or at least the effort put into the stuff they're doing. I cannot make that claim about you or scammper.

I don't think effort correlates to alignment unless there's established meta that makes the read better than rand.

I think your line runs more along the vein of "she's not efforted as much as everyone else so she doesn't deserve to survive today

yet

" which is unlikely to be compelling to anyone. I think you need to push harder to actually get things to happen.

[Aristeia]

Datisi's posting have very basic level solving with fluff inside it to add onto the posts given.

is this supposed to be scummy? or like do you think it is

and i'm not sure i get how i'd be getting threadspewed townie there

I kind of chuckled when she started calling you basic.

I feel slightly guilty about this

[Aristeia]

Is there anyone in the PL that you think would have difficulty "looking villagery" if they are mafia?

[Aristeia]

I don't think it's hard for anyone to look like a conventional villager as mafia considering it's a basic skill and I will play this game under the assumption everyone knows what they're doing to some degree. Plus I don't know any of you so I don't think I could even answer that statement without it being a shot in the dark.

This is why I don't think the way you are sorting is going to be very productive or accurate.

[Aristeia]

I am known for my above avg read rate so for now I will just have to trust that my style of sorting players works. It has been a minute since I've been on this site so only time will tell.

I hope you don't take this the wrong way;

You have three completed games on this site where you are on the limwagon on d1; the hit rate is [1/3] (33%)

I have ten completed games on this site where I am on the limwagon on d1; the hit rate is [7/10] (70%)*

I can tell you right now that your read on me is incorrect but I'm excited to see where you go from here.


*

many of these are just me shamelessly sheeping Datisi because he's so good

Edited to make tiny text legible. Please don’t use illegibly tiny text, as per my rules

-Irrelephant11

[Aristeia]

"i will focus on everyone except ari for now"

[Aristeia]

I am known for my above avg read rate so for now I will just have to trust that my style of sorting players works. It has been a minute since I've been on this site so only time will tell.

I hope you don't take this the wrong way;

You have three completed games on this site where you are on the limwagon on d1; the hit rate is [1/3] (33%)

I have ten completed games on this site where I am on the limwagon on d1; the hit rate is [7/10] (70%)*

I can tell you right now that your read on me is incorrect but I'm excited to see where you go from here.


*

many of these are just me shamelessly sheeping Datisi because he's so good

This isn't my main account my main account is in my sig. Plus, I've been playing off site for a year where I have a 60% town WR and something in the 70s% wolf WR. So yeah, you could say I'm a bit confident in the way I read people but if a townread of mine put a stop to one of my pushes I'd hear it out and prob look elsewhere but obviously rn I have no reason to do so.

Please show where I called you a wolf? Just because I'm putting pressure on you doesn't mean I think you're a wolf rn.

My criticism of your approach relates to its effectiveness and accuracy - your response is that by meta you are quite effective.

I contrasted the accuracy rates of our approaches to the game as evidenced by success rates on D1 wagons we are on.

I am aware that you probably don't have a good read on me at this point in the game.

[Aristeia]

I'm a bit of an overbearing control freak

at times

all the time and it rubs people the wrong way and I am trying to exercise restraint to take things a bit easier so that I don't get blacklisted by everyone on the site.

so I'm trying to not express every thought that passes through my head.

If there's something you'd like to talk about in terms of reads etc - I am happy to talk with you about anything.

[Aristeia]

Do you believe Meg's read on you comes from a place in good faith? Because from an outside pov it strikes me as quite odd.

I think it's more likely to come from Town!Meg but I'm not like anywhere near very certain on that.

I find them to be difficult to read most of the time and I'm curious if they take it any further.

[Aristeia]

ari, is there a reason you followed me on done and galron but not coral?

her sundress is too pretty

[Aristeia]

ari is also lowkey townie. the agruing with xayah doesn't do much for her position in game which like. idk why scum!her would care kinda. yes this is directly going against what i said earlier about their convo, fight me

I worry about you townreading me for bad reasons -> scum!you :[

[Aristeia]

I lowkey think maybe the scum team is just Ausuka/Datisi for ~reasons~ but I want Dats to roll town with me finally so I am going to hope it's just no true ^^

[Aristeia]

also Ari you have been vagueposting pushing me since page 1. can you be less vague please. thanks

I think I've been fairly specific about why I think you are mafia.

[Aristeia]

i can't wait to roll scum against you so that i can scumread you and you to townread me forever for it

awwwwwwwwww

[Aristeia]

this put a smile on my face

thank you dats <3

[Aristeia]

I lowkey think maybe the scum team is just Ausuka/Datisi for ~reasons~ but I want Dats to roll town with me finally so I am going to hope it's just no true ^^

You hit the nail on the head. What would the reasons you mentioned be? Gut, any posts? Because you're correct, but i wanna see you solve this yourself first.

they have a level of comfort interacting with each other that I think is missing in their interactions with other people.

[Aristeia]

I mean having just checked your ISO you're saying I'm scum because my energy felt off on page 1 and there's nothing else?

I just don't think you're very townie this game dear sorry :<

[Aristeia]

awww

[Aristeia]

I'm willing to give you/ausuka 1 shot to push anywhere today to hit a scum, myself included but you both have to get yeeted d2 if you miss

I think this is a reasonable compromise.

[Aristeia]

how do we both get yeeted on d2

it doesn't matter to me which order the town yeets you/ausuka in

[Aristeia]

Last game I played with Aristeia I was impressed by her play as town

I'm not quite sure what this is but I think at the very least she's played with me enough to realise I'm not good enough for BoP

It's a relatively risk free proposal for her because Datisi decided she's town for Meta

well I am mostly counting on Datisi for the accuracy.

but you are welcome to try too !

[Aristeia]

Maybe I just rolled miller

I don't understand why this is a maybe for you.

you either rolled it or you didn't.

It's a maybe for

me

[Aristeia]

I don't believe you rolled miller and I don't believe you think I'm mafia here.

[Aristeia]

And I don't believe you genuinely thought "maybe I just rolled miller" meant I was unsure about whether I rolled miller, so I guess we're even

it's not about the literal meaning or the implied meaning - it's your mindset which doesn't quite fit.

[Aristeia]

I don't understand why you feel the need to defend yourself if you're convinced I'm scum and pushing you for mislim.

I'm fine with being flipped first.

[Aristeia]

you sound fairly convinced that i'm scum.

[Aristeia]

I'm not even pushing for you to get flipped today.

I am offering you/dats a bop shot.

it's not the same thing

[Aristeia]

I'm not betting the game on it.

giving you/dats a bop shot is not the same as betting the game on you/dats is the solve.

[Aristeia]

You are pushing that if we miselim on day 1, which is something happens most of the time, me and my top townread should be eliminated

so decline if you don't feel comfortable with your accuracy?

or take a shot on me!scum if you feel confident in it.

it doesn't matter to me.

[Aristeia]

I can answer you Don but please edit your post to not include the L word thanks

[Aristeia]

if the town doesn't agree with me about it then there is no way for me to enforce a bop shot obviously

so I guess it would have to be something done with consent/agreement.

its not like im throwing you a gun and making you pull the trigger.

[Aristeia]

I can answer you Don but please edit your post to not include the L word thanks

you cant edit posts in mafia games,

@irrelephant if you dont mind

I meant you can just copy paste it into a new post, edit the words and repost it and i'll respond

[Aristeia]

I don't understand why you feel the need to defend yourself if you're convinced I'm scum and pushing you for mislim.

I'm fine with being flipped first.

Are you? I dont think you're serious about this if you are town.
Imagine we morb you, you flip town. What incentive do we have to morb ausuka then? You claim a slip up . Well all that can be argued away. Especially if you arent her partner, no way her buddy lets her get morbed on that weak of a premise alone. And on the off chance we do morb ausuka somehow, we have no info going into d3 because we morbed someone who dared us to, and then we morbed someone for a supposed slip up. We go to 5 people with nothing at hand. And remember, this is all

IF

ausuka is scum. If she isnt, we morbed two townies for no reason, we go to LYLO with nothing and auto lose.
So why not keep playing? We're still waiting on mod confirmation anyway, there are 5 people who havent had a word in during this and we have no plan going forward if we do this.
I vote not to end the day until less than 4 hours remain. The more we discuss, the more bullshit we peddle, the more fluff we post, the more we have to look back retroactively. This is the only day we have 9 people present, so i vote not to rush it.

I don't offer things I am not serious about.

If the

town

collectively decides to take me up on my offer, I would expect the

town

to follow through.

If the town decides to renege, I don't really care?

If people don't want to do this, I'm fine with that also.

The post that you're addressing has to do with me being skeptical of Ausuka deciding to continue talking about how she's town and I'm scum in a scenario where I'm letting her flip me first. It feels kind of silly to me. like if she thinks i'm scum and I'm literally letting her flip me first, is she really going to worry about being elimmed after she flips me on d1 and i'm scum?

[Aristeia]

No, town!ausuka is worrying about killing you, you flipping town, getting killed tomorrow and then flipping town.

her emotional tone that she is projecting into the thread is sheer exasperation that Datisi could possibly townread me or think I am town.

it is disconnected to her feelings about my flip, which seem to hint that she knows I flip town here and she will be in the unenviable position of defending herself post-flip.

[Aristeia]

Like town you can't actually genuinely believe that's a scumslip

Datisi are you seeing this shit

specifically this sequence of posts projects a feeling of "Ari is obviously scum !! how can you not see this Datisi?!?"

[Aristeia]

so you want to flip me but you also don't want to die tomm after I flip town today?

[Aristeia]

why do you even think I'm scum?

[Aristeia]

can you stop using the L-word pls don

it is very hard to respond to you when you do

[Aristeia]

what should I be townreading you for?

[Aristeia]

I'm not that sure you/dats is the right solve.

that's why I offered you/dats a bop shot.

If I was sure I would just kill you both today and not offer you anything.

[Aristeia]

Regardless I wouldn't scumread you for Nullreading me or scumreading me for reasons that made sense - it's the way you push without showing genuine doubt or consideration and the points that you make while doing so that make me think this is a bad faith push.

I don't think this is accurate in any way.

[Aristeia]

It isnt as unenviable as you make it out to be. As i said, if your morb goes through and she is scum, no way her partner lets her get morbed on a promise. In fact if shes town shes more likely to get morbed come the second day than if shes scum. What you are proposing isnt unique either, it is a iconic gamethrow to force a morb by volunteering to die first. It never goes well

I don't really care if the town doesn't follow through on something it agrees to do.

[Aristeia]

Regardless I wouldn't scumread you for Nullreading me or scumreading me for reasons that made sense - it's the way you push without showing genuine doubt or consideration and the points that you make while doing so that make me think this is a bad faith push.

I don't think this is accurate in any way.

Well having just been accused for scumslipping just because I responded "maybe I just rolled miller" to wild speculation about how I planned a miller claim with datisi in the scumchat pregame, I think it is accurate in every way.

if I wanted to express 0 doubt in your guilt and yeet you today, I would simply do that.

I am giving you an opportunity for bop because I am uncertain.

for you to turn around and claim that I am scum for "not showing doubt or consideration" is laughably wrong.

[Aristeia]

Why even bother dying and putting us in a dilemma then

look don

I can't choose to kill myself

that's not how this game works.

if the town wants to accept the bop, the town can agree to the bop

if the town doesn't want the bop, the town can simply not agree to the bop.

I am offering it because I believe it is the best way foward

if you have a different opinion of how to move foward that you feel is different, I am fine to hear you out.

[Aristeia]

Regardless I wouldn't scumread you for Nullreading me or scumreading me for reasons that made sense - it's the way you push without showing genuine doubt or consideration and the points that you make while doing so that make me think this is a bad faith push.

I don't think this is accurate in any way.

Well having just been accused for scumslipping just because I responded "maybe I just rolled miller" to wild speculation about how I planned a miller claim with datisi in the scumchat pregame, I think it is accurate in every way.

if I wanted to express 0 doubt in your guilt and yeet you today, I would simply do that.

I am giving you an opportunity for bop because I am uncertain.

for you to turn around and claim that I am scum for "not showing doubt or consideration" is laughably wrong.

Is it though? Because as much as you claim to be considering it, I don't think your actions show it. You push me on anything no matter how little sense it makes, I don't think you're really listening to my explanations at all. Maybe I should stop posting for a while since we've been going around in circles.

I think there is a fair chance you are giving the opportunity for BoP because you are convinced Datisi is going to lim someone other than you and this will lead to a chain of miseliminations.

I don't particularly care for "makes sense"

Life doesn't "make sense"

I care for being right.

I think I am right on you being scum.

Nothing you have done so far this game has given me the idea that I'm wrong except maybe that little bit of exasperation you displayed but you hedged that back right away.

[Aristeia]

also I'm not really even "pushing" you.

I suggested you might be scum.

I offered you/datisi a bop shot.

I have not voted for you or tried to kill you.

If I wanted to eliminate you, I would simply do that.

You continue to claim I am trying to yeet you without any consideration and that's literally not what I am doing in any fashion.

[Aristeia]

What am I even supposed to do with that. You scumread me for reasons that don't make sense and when I point that out you say you don't care that it doesn't make sense because you care about being right.

It's like circular logic. You're right because you're right. Reasoning doesn't matter.

Figure out who is scum and yeet them.

If you are certain it is me, then yeet me.

That's more or less what you should be doing every game anyway?

[Aristeia]

if I am scum, I am perfectly capable of yeeting you and getting away with it.

I do not need to do some convoluted bop offer.

[Aristeia]

ari, why am i scum other than being relaxed w ausuka?

I think your reaction to the miller claim didn't feel uninformed and you're the person most likely to be ok with Ausuka fake-claiming miller right away.

[Aristeia]

not properly caught up w the last few pages but the reason i'm not too sure this comes from scum!ari is because town!her often does thinks that i think are scummy. like i was thinking her play way incredibly scum indicative when we were in a town hydra together. i do not trust myself to read her properly

what am i even doing this game that you think is scum!indicative?

[Aristeia]

not properly caught up w the last few pages but the reason i'm not too sure this comes from scum!ari is because town!her often does thinks that i think are scummy. like i was thinking her play way incredibly scum indicative when we were in a town hydra together. i do not trust myself to read her properly

what am i even doing this game that you think is scum!indicative?

coming specifically from you, nothing

in general, a lot of things

i'd be calling for your head if you proposed a bop like that and had the scumteam you have with the flimsy reasoning you do if you were anyone else

awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

[Aristeia]

:melting:

[Aristeia]

I honestly have no clue how anything Ari has been doing in the last few pages could come from a town mindset. It's vague, weak, circular arguements for a read that hasn't been fleshed out since day 2.

are you talking about yourself?

[Aristeia]

like meg I get you are fairly hands off and difficult to read because you don't do much as either alignment and you seem to think it is ok to play the game that way[which fair since not everyone is willing to effort] but it seems hypocritical of you to come in to shade me for "not doing things" when you haven't actually done anything for the entirety of the game.

[Aristeia]

and saying that I'm not fleshing out my read on Ausuka when I literally just spent 2-3 pages jousting with her seems like an absolutely atrocious take but unfortunately not outside of townrange for you.

[Aristeia]

It's actually hilarious that Meg who has the least number of posts of anyone this game is accusing me who has the most posts and engages in real time with multiple people trying to sort them of "not fleshing out reads"

go look up your own iso meg

[Aristeia]

like meg I get you are fairly hands off and difficult to read because you don't do much as either alignment and you seem to think it is ok to play the game that way[which fair since not everyone is willing to effort] but it seems hypocritical of you to come in to shade me for "not doing things" when you haven't actually done anything for the entirety of the game.

I've been out of town.
In general I post when I have something to say which isn't all the time.
And my point isn't at you fro not doing anything. My point is what you have been doing feels scum indicative, manipulative, or too convuluted to occur naturally.

Who am I manipulating for what purpose

[Aristeia]

The fact I can make this arguement is a testament to how bad it is LMAO

you can write anything you want, it doesn't make it true

[Aristeia]

as scum I don't take a backseat I just take thread control and murder anyone I want

I definitely don't telegraph a push from page 1 though lol

[Aristeia]

To set up a miselim on Ausuka. (Probably not today but in the future)
To try and gain a strong scum prescence in the thread to direct conversations into this issue
To shade in a way that obfuscates your involvement

how am I shading in a way that obfuscates my involvement?

do you think a single player here would doubt who is responsible for Ausuka being yeeted if we yeet Ausuka today or tommorrow?

[Aristeia]

like what even is that take

[Aristeia]

@any player here other than MegAz

am I "shading Ausuka in a way that obfuscates my involvement" as she claims I am doing.


Please let me know if that's even remotely likely.

I think I am INCREDIBLY CLEAR about what I want.

[Aristeia]

as scum I don't take a backseat I just take thread control and murder anyone I want

I definitely don't telegraph a push from page 1 though lol

<.<

that's just how I play scum, it's very similar to how I play town. this game is fairly boring if you don't try to kill people.

[Aristeia]

I actually can't even handle debating this absolutely ridiculous take from Megaz I'm gonna go eat lunch and do some RL stuff.

If anyone actually believes I'm trying to obfuscate my involvement in yeeting Ausuka pls just vote me lol absolutely atrocious take.

[Aristeia]

i think meg is, like, wildly incorrect but it might be townie

same


i think this read is so bad that it almost certainly comes from incompetence rather than malice.

its just so wildly off base lol

[Aristeia]

maybe later

i want to see what Ausuka does

[Aristeia]

i am not even pushing you...

i am not voting for you...

i proposed a bop that you and datisi and nobody else has agreed to

[Aristeia]

maybe later

i want to see what Ausuka does

ok then

i had been kind of intending to dissuade you of the read before moving to other topics but we can instead just do that. i want to talk about any of datisi/donempire/coral/galron, since these are people i am currently not townreading

galron - phoenix had imo the worst wall of anyone, it just felt a bit like busywork and galron hasn't really done anything that made me think he is very townie yet

coral is kind of in a weird spot to me, the vote on me and then the jump off felt strange and tactical in a way but I think maybe she's just having fun because she's town this time. I don't really know how to slot her atp.

done felt kind of townie in that he felt really enthusiastic about his theory about datisi/ausuka plotting pre-game to create a miller-fake-claim i think it was moderately townie - i have never played with done before.

datisi is a charming handsome man and I would kill any other player who's posted what he's posted but he's special and he makes me feel special so I don't' think I'm very good at giving you an accurate read there.

[Aristeia]

I had a whole hypothetical prepared and everything but you just keep doing it blatantly and if people fail to see that there's not really anything I can do.

(1) I am not trying to kill ausuka - I am stating my theory and giving her notice. If I wanted to kill her I would vote for her and push for others to vote for her.

(2) if ausuka were to die today, it is fairly obvious I am the one who killed her because literally nobody else even seems interested in killing her

[Aristeia]

I had a whole hypothetical prepared and everything but you just keep doing it blatantly and if people fail to see that there's not really anything I can do.

(1) I am not trying to kill ausuka - I am stating my theory and giving her notice. If I wanted to kill her I would vote for her and push for others to vote for her.

(2) if ausuka were to die today, it is fairly obvious I am the one who killed her because literally nobody else even seems interested in killing her

You are pushing her. Stop pretending that you are not. It's at the very least disengenuous.

You are acting in a way that would encourage Ausuka to die by elimination. These arguments you make in rebuttal of this point is why I consider it obfuscation, not because of some hypothetical world where you wouldn't be at fault for the death. You are denying what you are doing. Previously you were setting up to deny what you are doing. It is disengenuous

you are wrong

[Aristeia]

I am stating a theory because if i am right and i do not state it. I would regret it.

If I am right and this town lets them win despite me being right; I would have no regrets.

Many things can happen between now and elo that would prove to me I am wrong. Perhaps we flip a scum that is not in Dats/Ausuka.

I am not pushing for Ausuka to be eliminated, I am not voting for Ausuka. I proposed a bop that nobody accepted.

Your statements are factually wrong.

[Aristeia]

also this is just my belief at this current time

i am evaluating everyone's alignments still. perhaps someone will do something scummier. perhaps someone will push and flip a scum and i will have that to re-evaluate


you have literally done nothing in this game other than vote plant on me and say i am scum for something i am not even doing. perhaps you should try to do something useful with your time. or perhaps you can continue hard tunneling me for something that is not even occuring. however if you do flip me; know that is entirely on your own lack of grip on basic reality.

[Aristeia]

Meg who am I even supposed to be manipulating

[Aristeia]

I honestly have no clue how anything Ari has been doing in the last few pages could come from a town mindset. It's vague, weak, circular arguements for a read that hasn't been fleshed out since day 2.

also if you actually believe me not fleshing a read out = me being scum how do you actually think your play so far in this game is in any way acceptable from a town standpoint?

you've literally engaged 0 slots in anything

[Aristeia]

like as funny as it is to go "i have no time to do anything cuz I was riding in a car" it's pretty funny for you to go "aristeia is scum because she didn't flesh out one read"

like really?

Really?

REALLY?

[Aristeia]

The thing is I think Ari knows its bad and is pushing it anyway. That's not what town does. Period.

Charismatic scum players have numerous ways to play and you do realize for a good portion of the game Ari was doing that. They are always completely on the side or one of the biggest forces on the town. I just haven't seen any middle ground and it's jarring in the least.

Ari is charismatic. I'm not saying "a good mafia could do this" I am saying "it is to Ari's benefit as mafia to do what she is currently doing"

what charisma am I even supposed to be using?

Who am I persuading to vote for Ausuka?

like what the hell are you even talking about?

[Aristeia]

Ari is charismatic. I'm not saying "a good mafia could do this" I am saying "it is to Ari's benefit as mafia to do what she is currently doing"

yea i'm sure it makes so much sense for mafia me to be loud and pushy in a game where literally nothing is happening

10/10 analysis meg

really great stuff

[Aristeia]

Then stop pushing in a way that prompts others to take the action. Die on the hill articulating your case rather than this convuluted take of "oh you have one lim to hit scum or we kill you" It's a dissonant force you put between the two of you which is the type of thing scum would try to do even jf that wasn't an explicit intention.

Like the level of thought you put into this is just so ridiculous.

this is a game where nothing is happening

you have played in games where nothing is happening

mafia do not need to do shit in games where nothing is happening

and here you are insisting that because i'm trying to make things happen and see what it leads to I must be scum

maybe in the future I will just play like absolute garbage and do nothing and be content with losing most of my games so i dont have to get this sort of feedback

[Aristeia]

I lowkey think maybe the scum team is just Ausuka/Datisi for ~reasons~ but I want Dats to roll town with me finally so I am going to hope it's just no true ^^

this is the post where I threw out a theory

TODAY

at #316.

We are now at Post 524.

That means we got about 200+ posts of content in ONE DAY on ONE THEORY I THREW OUT.

we had ~300 posts from wednesday -> saturday[4 days] before I threw a hand grenade into the game.

I don't enjoy taking control of threads, I don't like pushing the action.

I prefer people actually doing things on their own. but it doesn't actually happen.

Instead people liek you come in with smug little smiles on their face who have done literally nothing and go "oh i can't possibly imagine how ari's posts could come from a town mindset"

like

do you even know how to play the game?

[Aristeia]

who am i manipulating in this thread?

what r u going to do if you flip me and i flip town?

what is your level of certainty that I flip scum?

are you even bothering to sort other players in the game?

[Aristeia]

like have you even put any basic strategic thought into why scum!me decides to tunnel town!ausuka right away from page one?

(1) What if there is a rolecop in the game that can clear Ausuka? What if there's literally any role interaction at all? How does scum me know the setup from the get go?

(2) Why target someone on claim alone? It locks the trajectory without any consideration of play - do you think I expend thread control to force the issue? Where is the motive for locking the trajectory into hardpush if Ausuka town hasn't done anything susp? why not just let someone else take the fall?

(3) Why target with an

associative

right away? If Ausuka/Dats are T/T doesn't this lock a influential vote from flipping my way? If any scum flips outside the pair doesn't this shoot my theory in the foot?

(4) Who the fuck am I even trying to persuade to vote Ausuka? Where is the manipulation happening? If it's some weird invisible manipulation to set up for Day 2, why the fuck would I even spend energy on setting it up when I don't even have a Day One Target? Is Scum!Me supposed to be supremely confident I and my scum partner will both not be able to be limmed therefore I'm focussing all my energy on day two?

(5) why do I bop Ausuka and be ok with being elimmed today ? how does that even make sense for scum me to do?

(6) who am I even manipulating to vote for Ausuka? What is the persuasive angle I am pursuing? How does it work?

(7) If everything above is some garbage wifom plot and I'm doing refuge in Audacity, what's the overarching goal? To escape elim today? I can just escape elim by not doing shit, it's not like this town is doing shit anyway.

(8) Why does any of what I'm doing necessarily have to come from Scum!me? Is it not in the interest of Town!Me to push something in a game state that is static?

[Aristeia]

ari uhh maybe take a breather? i completely empathize with where you're coming from but this is way more than is necessary

I've given Meg a break for 6 days to pursue wherever Meg wanted to go with this line of inquiry but I ran out of patience today

[Aristeia]

you can try answering any of my questions instead of pretending you dont know how to read

[Aristeia]

i dont actually give a shit if you yeet me or if you scumread me

its your absolute lack of effort that annoys me

[Aristeia]

It's being presented in an incredibly contrived manner.
The approach is terrible logically and is transparantly bad.
Ausuka responded with the type of frustration I'd expect from a townie in this situation.

lets go through this point

you think my approach is transparently bad and has terrible logic

why the fuck would my approach succeed if your analysis is correct?

[Aristeia]

To set up a miselim on Ausuka. (Probably not today but in the future)
To try and gain a strong scum prescence in the thread to direct conversations into this issue
To shade in a way that obfuscates your involvement

this is your second post of analysis on me.

so you think my approach is

"transparently bad"

"logically shit"

but you also believe it sets up a "strong scum presence" and "sets up a mislim on Ausuka in the future" in a way that "obfuscates my involvement"





so your genius idea

is that scum!me

has decided to set up a future mislim

in a way that makes it look like I didn't do it

and also is ineffective and horribly illogical and unlikely to be convincing.

[Aristeia]

so please explain how I'm both a moron and also a criminal mastermind at the same time

go

[Aristeia]

It turns out its not my job to answer every possible motivation you could have as to doing everything you have done as scum.

i'm not asking you for every motivation i'm asking you to present any evidence you've done thinking at all

[Aristeia]

But as I've said, I feel like this isn't being productive and it feels like there's miscommunication of some part here so I'm going to drop it for now.

there's absolutely no miscommunication

this game was stalling

I tried to do something about it

you think this exclusively comes from scum!me

explain your fucking read

[Aristeia]

like you think me pushing on Ausuka for her miller claim is not good

ok sure

who the fuck should i have instead pushed on and for what instead to do something?

go

tell me

[Aristeia]

I will pretend you have a better grasp on mech, Ausuka's meta, Datisi's meta, and how the game state is

I will pretend you know that Ausuka claiming Mason is utterly NAI or even town indicative.

I will pretend there are BETTER THINGS FOR TOWN ME TO PUSH ON IF I WERE TOWN IN ORDER TO DO SOMETHING IN THIS GAME

TELL ME WHAT THEY ARE.

[Aristeia]

Meg tell me what Town!Me should have done instead today in order to try to get something to happen in the game

[Aristeia]

you say this approach exlusively comes from Scum!Me, tell me what Town!Me does instead go

[Aristeia]

I think meg isn't even reading the game

meg is just logging in to shitpost because meg doesnt give 2 fucks about winning because thats how meg plays literally every game meg has ever played

[Aristeia]

but please meg tell me what exactly Town!Me does in a situation like this cmon

[Aristeia]

I honestly have no clue how anything Ari has been doing in the last few pages could come from a town mindset. It's vague, weak, circular arguements for a read that hasn't been fleshed out since day 2.

please

tell me what town!me should be doing instead

[Aristeia]

sure you can have fun talking with meg I'm going to log off good night

[Aristeia]

congrats Dats & Galron!!

sorry for being so mean Meg.

thank you for modding Relly <3