Mafia 75: Return of the Mafia! TOWN WINS (really late)

Battle Mage · Tue May 20, 2008 9:48 am

armlx wrote:BM, STFU and vote him. Wagon -> claim -> lynch. Don't be dumb.

Never, and i mean

NEVER

, tell me what to do.

Vote: Armlx

for shits and giggles.

BM

Battle Mage · Tue May 20, 2008 10:31 am

Just trust me. I know what i'm doing. You go get others to join the BW.

BM

Battle Mage · Tue May 20, 2008 10:43 am

i think you're over-complicating things lol. Just put the votes on!

Battle Mage · Tue May 20, 2008 10:31 pm

armlx wrote:
dahill1 wrote:
killa seven wrote:this day feels like a day at the drivers license place.

you lurk at the DMV too? strange...
Obv, hides in the shadows to make fun of people's photos and continuously make comments about how long the lines are.

roflmao!

Battle Mage · Wed May 21, 2008 10:59 am

Ok, Dahill is at -2 if Armlx's count is right. I'll be here to drop the hammer tomorrow. DO NOT HAMMER BEFORE I GET THE CHANCE TO POST.
If you do, you will join my Black List, and i'll make it my sole ambition to see you hang.

Thanks,
BM

Battle Mage · Wed May 21, 2008 11:22 am

dahill1 wrote:
Battle Mage wrote:Ok, Dahill is at -2 if Armlx's count is right. I'll be here to drop the hammer tomorrow. DO NOT HAMMER BEFORE I GET THE CHANCE TO POST.
If you do, you will join my Black List, and i'll make it my sole ambition to see you hang.

Thanks,
BM
oh forgot to mention. i am a special supersaint that kills the hammerer only if it's BM

lol way to make me feel guilty about lynching a funny guy...

Battle Mage · Wed May 21, 2008 11:21 pm

armlx wrote:I am officially 100ish% Peers is scum. It is physically possible for him to be productive. He is choosing not to be. Just noting for the future.

and how exactly does that go against his normal run of play?
100% indicates some sort of certainty. Certainty that i would expect to go beyond an ill-based meta...

@Surye- thanks.

Battle Mage · Thu May 22, 2008 8:29 am

curiouskarmadog wrote:so what does 100% mean then?

qft. I never use 100% in games. Anything can happen in mafia, and if you say 100% you look like a liar as well as an idiot.

BM

Battle Mage · Thu May 22, 2008 8:47 am

1 step ahead of ya!

Battle Mage · Thu May 22, 2008 9:19 am

guys....

just SHUT UP!

Battle Mage · Fri May 23, 2008 12:29 am

dahill1 wrote:woooo
come on guys my goal is at least 10 more pages

You really expect us to think you are town when you declare your only goal as survival??

Oh and btw, if Dahill isn't dead by Tuesday, I support mass modkills of inactives. Inactives being defined as people not currently voting for Dahill.

BM

Battle Mage · Fri May 23, 2008 4:38 am

farside22 wrote:Well I thought i unvoted and voted for dahill
unvote:

vote: dahil
There it is official.

BM did you do something yet to prove what you are saying or is that after the death scene?

not yet.

BM

Battle Mage · Sat May 24, 2008 2:52 am

curiouskarmadog wrote:skitzer, why are you talking about tomorrow when we are not out of today yet?

hypocrite. Nonetheless

FoS: Skitzer

for pushing an easy play.

BM

Battle Mage · Sat May 24, 2008 2:54 am

Xtoxm wrote:
Battle Mage wrote:
dahill1 wrote:woooo
come on guys my goal is at least 10 more pages
You really expect us to think you are town when you declare your only goal as survival??

Oh and btw, if Dahill isn't dead by Tuesday, I support mass modkills of inactives. Inactives being defined as people not currently voting for Dahill.

BM
So you're inactive.

Shut it Mr Snidey. I'm not in the mood for humour that doesnt feature excessive emoticon use.

lol

BM

Battle Mage · Sat May 24, 2008 3:01 am

World's Worst Poem

For Farside. <3

It seems some of you still doubt my claim
For my part, this is quite a shame.
But perhaps this doubt is only fair
As the truth, I’ve yet had cause to share.
But the only doubt is cult or not,
If the former is true, we know the upshot,
All I ask is that you wait, and a sign you will see,
Proof that if we have a cult recruit-it surely isn’t me!

The choice is really up to you
But think through what you see
Do you really think what I can do
Is a Cult ability?!

Oh and if you choose to stab my back
Despite my parting gift
I’ll return, like the mafia
Only my role may shift.

Thats all i wanted to say. Dont make the biggest cock-up of your mafia history.

Vote: Dahill

Night folks.

BM

Battle Mage · Sat May 24, 2008 4:48 am

curiouskarmadog wrote:
curiouskarmadog wrote:prediction, even though farside has agreed to test BM, BM will still plead with her.

Jesus BM, what can you do? If farside vigs you and you are able to avoid it, it proves you can do what you state you can do..and tomorrow you can lynch my ass...this is the only way to tell if you are telling the truth...you did try to lie to say there was another, but you have yet to explain how..now I understand why you wanted to hammer dahil..you wanted one last chance to plead to farside...

sad BM, sad.

Lol i'm saving us some time. This way, if Farside takes a punt at me tonight, i'll die anyway, and you will be hung. If she doesnt take a punt at me, it will be because i she believes my claim, and most likely, you will be the one recieving a bullet tonight.

BM

Battle Mage · Sat May 24, 2008 6:33 am

TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:Wait, wait, wait. So if farside
doesn't
vig you, that will be proof that you're protown?

yes. In other words, whatever happens tonight, my affiliation will be in no doubt tomorrow. The only difference is whether or not we lose a protown power role in order to do so.

BM

Battle Mage · Sat May 24, 2008 6:33 am

armlx wrote:....

Or we can do this the logical way.

i dont understand what you mean.

Jordan, please come and put this to night already. I'm getting ever so slightly irritable.

BM

Battle Mage · Sun May 25, 2008 12:52 am

Matt_S wrote:
Toaster Strudel wrote:
Battle Mage wrote:In other words, whatever happens tonight, my affiliation will be in no doubt tomorrow. The only difference is whether or not we lose a protown power role in order to do so.
I like this plan. We could lose a power role to confirm a miller/hider.
I think he's referring to himself. But I don't know anymore.

i was. TS is just a fool.

Battle Mage · Sun May 25, 2008 12:54 am

armlx wrote:BM, your way is dumb and basically saying "Farside, don't pick me". Not even a confirming plan.

then you obviously dont understand it. I hate to say it Armlx, but you arent exactly showing off your great perceptiveness here, are you?

BM

Battle Mage · Sun May 25, 2008 12:54 am

Matt_S wrote:
armlx wrote:
Matt_S wrote:
armlx wrote:BM, your way is dumb and basically saying "Farside, don't pick me". Not even a confirming plan.
Believe me, there's more to his plan.
See, you weren't supposed to say that.
You weren't supposed to say that I wasn't supposed to say that.

Besides, if there weren't more to it, BM's got to know that he'll die tomorrow.

actually, if there wasnt more to it, i'd die tonight.

BM

Battle Mage · Sun May 25, 2008 12:55 am

TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:Ah. I think maybe I see what BM is hinting at.

If I do, BM, that's really anti-town. Don't do it. Confirm yourself the easy way.

It's the opposite of anti-town. It's what anyone protown in my position would do.

BM

Battle Mage · Sun May 25, 2008 12:57 am

TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:I think what BM is saying is that he's going to hide with farside. So if farside targets BM, they'll both end up dead. But that's stupid, and still doesn't confirm him.

So, y'know, I hope that's not it.

Lol. That was an interesting read, but as Xtoxm and Armlx have pointed out, made no sense. No, that is not what i intend to do tonight.

Please stop speculating now. It doesnt help anyone. Quit spamming so Farside cant read my poem.

BM

Battle Mage · Sun May 25, 2008 12:58 am

armlx wrote:Its less anti-town, more being overly convoluted for little gain.

I dont consider it to be 'little gain'.

Battle Mage · Sun May 25, 2008 12:59 am

Battle Mage wrote:
World's Worst Poem

For Farside. <3

It seems some of you still doubt my claim
For my part, this is quite a shame.
But perhaps this doubt is only fair
As the truth, I’ve yet had cause to share.
But the only doubt is cult or not,
If the former is true, we know the upshot,
All I ask is that you wait, and a sign you will see,
Proof that if we have a cult recruit-it surely isn’t me!

The choice is really up to you
But think through what you see
Do you really think what I can do
Is a Cult ability?!

Oh and if you choose to stab my back
Despite my parting gift
I’ll return, like the mafia
Only my role may shift.

Thats all i wanted to say. Dont make the biggest cock-up of your mafia history.

Vote: Dahill

Night folks.

BM

There we go. I'll keep quoting this when people post until Jordan locks the thread, because it is of the utmost importance that Farside studies it.

BM

Battle Mage · Sun May 25, 2008 4:55 am

Xtoxm wrote:Is Farside supposed to find a subtle/hidden message in your peom that the rest of us aren't?

pretty much. Hence i will be ignoring CKD's questions, which are obviously the work of rolefishing scum.

BM

*but ftr, i now wish CKD is town. That way he'll be apologising forever for making such an ass of himself.

Battle Mage · Sun May 25, 2008 5:02 am

Xtoxm wrote:Definatley looks like you're jsut trying to buy time.

If you are a hider being targetted doesn't bother you...

except tonight i won't be hiding.

Battle Mage · Sun May 25, 2008 5:12 am

armlx wrote:BM, I get what you are trying to do, I was deliberately trying to make it look different with that post.

Course you were buddy

Battle Mage · Sun May 25, 2008 5:12 am

Xtoxm wrote:Why?

Because you don't have that power?

What are you trying to pull?

1 word.

Shu-up. -.-

Battle Mage · Sun May 25, 2008 5:38 am

yeh, if Jordan hasnt posted by tomorrow, ill prod him.

BM

Battle Mage · Sun May 25, 2008 5:49 am

armlx wrote:
Battle Mage wrote:yeh, if Jordan hasnt posted by tomorrow, ill prod him.

BM
I was gonna say maybe away for Memorial Day, but do you Brits even have that holiday?

Depends. Memorial of what?

Jordan hasnt been on the site for a bit, from what i gather. He hasnt opened our mini yet, and hasnt posted in Presidentmaker for a while.

Battle Mage · Sun May 25, 2008 5:55 am

armlx wrote:Memorial Day honors the troops lost in the many wars the USA has been involved in. Usually schools close, as do some businesses. Hence the reason many families choose to take vacations on that weekend.

By the sounds of it, neither of you knows about it, so thats a no.

lol, no.

Amazing as it may sound, we dont get time off to celebrate America's military hardships...

Battle Mage · Sun May 25, 2008 5:57 am

Xtoxm wrote:We have a bank holiday on monday.

If we didnt, the bankers would be joining the postal service, the police, fire fighters, the health service, and ministers, in going on strike. Our economy has enough problems with Brown in charge...

Battle Mage · Sun May 25, 2008 6:00 am

armlx wrote:Obviously, but I'm pretty sure Britain has had its fair share of wars too.

true. We have Poppy Day and D-Day. I think thats about it. We don't tend to make a big fuss about it.

BM

Battle Mage · Sun May 25, 2008 6:00 am

Xtoxm wrote:
Battle Mage wrote:
Xtoxm wrote:We have a bank holiday on monday.
If we didnt, the bankers would be joining the postal service, the police, fire fighters, the health service, and ministers, in going on strike. Our economy has enough problems with Brown in charge...
Lol, you pay attention to politics? Is was like 2 or 3 weeks after he took over that I first found out about it

I watch Have I got News for You and occassionally listen to the radio.

BM

Battle Mage · Mon May 26, 2008 12:13 am

killa seven wrote:i couldnt tell with u 3 chattin like school girls about stupid shit

UR MUM!

Battle Mage · Thu May 29, 2008 9:33 am

WTF???? 0.o

erm, i mean...Bah.

BM

Battle Mage · Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:30 am

armlx wrote:
JordanA24 wrote:
Battle Mage replaces Xtoxm, cheers bro!
Err, yeah, in the interest of the integrity of the game I would not advise this as he has knowledge of his previous role that isn't public.

Fyi, We've discussed this at length, and it's ok. I will not be able to refer to any aspect of my previous role, and at the same time, you may be content in the knowledge that my previous role does not give me any discernible information advantage that will skew the game.

I told you i'd be back.

Thanks for the warm welcome.

Vote: Armlx

BM

Battle Mage · Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:56 am

Bippy? Lying? Townie?

0.o lol

Battle Mage · Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:50 am

curiouskarmadog wrote:well hell he is back. I agree with armlx as to being opposed to this, but if he can not refer to his role in anyway than I guess it should be ok...Whome, BM just finished saying that he was not allowed to refer to his role, so what is the point of goading him...

I also think here on out we should refer to this BM as BM2...and of course the former as BM.

all that being said, I would like discuss what happened yesterday and BM's claim after the game is over(so do stick around)..for I am confused, why did you partially lie? I am not asking now..but I am curious for later.

welcome back chaos.

your thoughts on the current state of the game?

All will be revealed later. Suffice to say, i just HAD to return when i noticed that, YOU WEREN'T DEAD YET. 0.o

BM

Battle Mage · Sat Jun 14, 2008 2:57 am

armlx wrote:
TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:BM aside, I don't really agree with armlx's "we should lynch someone else for discussion." Let's lynch the scummiest player (whome). We're going to have to deal with him
sometime
, since he clearly isn't going anywhere.
Rather use the vig then a lynch on him. Lynches are better for information purposes, and with WhoMe everyone appears to be just "Meh, he can die".

Also, BM, in that case I'm less iffy about it. I value the integrity of the game over the result by far though. You definitely were in the game where I got another townie mod killed for quoting part of their role PM despite myself thinking we were in LyLo.

Yeah, that was pretty dumb too. lol
So we are trusting Farside to kill CKD tonight? Have we got her approval on this? I think leaving things to chance is a bad plan, but i guess more discussion can't be bad.

@Celebloki- if anything can stop the game being stagnant, it will be my relentless content vaccinations!

BM

Battle Mage · Sun Jun 15, 2008 12:25 am

Toaster Strudel wrote:Isn't it better to trust farside to pick the right candidate?

If she doesn't announce her target and she targets scum, the scum won't roleblock her (providing that they can) and she'll kill scum, so we won't have to vig her target tomorrow...

Also, I note that farside has CKD at the bottom of her 4-player suspect list, but BM makes it sound like farside has agreed to vig CKD. Maybe I'm missing something, I often do, but that's what it sounds like to me.

No, i believe i said that the problem was that Farside had NOT agreed to Vig CKD. If TS is right about the 4 player list, then we should probably lynch CKD at the end of the day, after we've had some more discussion of other suspects and potential vig targets.

BM

Battle Mage · Sun Jun 15, 2008 2:15 am

Matt_S wrote:
Surye wrote:You seemed to confuse yourself plenty with the dahill analysis
I blame BM.

Why?

farside22 wrote:No I was never approached by BM. I wish he had not lied about his role. He was the only person I was sure was town.

vote: CKD

for pushing the issue. Obviously was looking to kill a townie in my eyes

BS. If you are sure someone is town, you don't shoot them.

armlx wrote:No, I'm 90% sure BM was just lying. He would do that.

I agree with the CKD wagon, but I don't know if its the best option for today. I need to go back to my list.

I dont see what you are getting at here. Perhaps you ought to explain?
And while you're at it, you can also explain why you 'agree' with the CKD wagon, but dont want to see him dead?

armlx wrote:
Matt_S wrote:
armlx wrote:No, I'm 90% sure BM was just lying. He would do that.
I guess that just goes to show you that lynch all liars sucks. Or something like that. There's a moral here somewhere.
The moral is BM was dumb and got himself shot.

That's great. Even scum have the decency to refrain from baiting a dead guy. I guess we know what that makes you. I am enjoying the irony though.

curiouskarmadog wrote:mother fucker, I thought BM was fucking lying, but I thought he was lying about being the cult...I did agree to be lynched today if BM didnt turn cult, so be it..I took a gamble...

I am good to my word.

vote CKD.

Right, so you guys thought this was enough? CKD thought I (BM1 if we're gonna be pedantic) was Cult, and gambled his life on me being to blame for the cult kill, which presumably was not from his scumgroup, and...you didnt kill him?

farside22 wrote:Fine vigging CKD at night.

unvote:
vote: TheSweatpantsNinja

Why does that promise not fill me with confidence? lol

armlx wrote:Usually I promote Kscopes death around here, but we have relevant things to do with our lynch. Farside can vig him if she sees fit.

I thought you wanted her to Vig CKD?

FoS: Armlx

Also, is anyone else getting a little confused by Matt's persistent directing of the town, whilst lacking a full claim?

More to come later.

BM

Battle Mage · Sun Jun 15, 2008 3:26 am

armlx wrote:
And while you're at it, you can also explain why you 'agree' with the CKD wagon, but dont want to see him dead?
It's not an issue of not wanting to see him dead, its just I don't believe he is the highest value lynch for today. Imat, WhoMe, Peers/Bloki are all more likely to be scum IMHO.

I'm getting very mixed signals here. 1 minute you are in favour of him dying, but not yet, and the next you think he is a bad lynch. Why do you differentiate between finding someone scummy and actively pushing their lynch? Surely if you were town, the two would go together?

Armlx wrote:
I thought you wanted her to Vig CKD? FoS: Armlx
I believe I said if she wants to kill him she can, but I'm not actively in favor of the kill, especially since CKD was partially right. You were lying, and 9/10 times someone lying is anti-town.

You are not endearing yourself to me with these lies.

My FoS stands. If you thought you'd get off the hook by naming 3 lurkers, 1 of whom isn't even playing anymore, you are VERY wrong.

BM

Battle Mage · Sun Jun 15, 2008 3:30 am

armlx wrote:Scummy:
Imat (lots of FOSes w/ little vote movement, wagoned TLP, sounds very opportunistic)
WhoMe? (Voting nemesis early, Tlp wagon, pushing deadline, pushing TS wagon who I now think is obv town)
killa 7 (all the things i said about antithesis lurking in plain sight)
Celebloki (Peers is capable of logic as town. He was deliberately dumb here)

???:
skitzer (more posting plz)
Tarhalidur (interested in whole him/matt_s issue)
Surye (waiting for him to say more)
xtoxm (no freaking clue here)
Matt_s (I got nothing here, all his posts are pretty neutral tell-wise IMO, Tar thing going on)
Kscope (is Kscope, not getting much from GSgold either, if matt_s moves to town he prob does too)
TSN (unsure, sounds like him + matt_s fighting for no reason, null argument on both, his scum list over Rosso is looking a lot like mine AKA he was actually reading the game at that time, Kscope issue is making me wary)

Town:
Andycyca (seems conservative yet willing to do stuff, townish)
TS (actually trying to help, Incog is obv town on review for same reason)
Pie (not really seeing VD scum right now)
mnowax (a lot of QuickBen's posts seem pro-town to me, could be wrong here, mno seems on par)
farside (obv)
andersonw (not a lot of posts, comes off as pro-town. Could be wrong again. Also reasons from an ongoing)
CKD (yeah, I trust him as being legit so far in his reasoning)

rofl. Here, just a few posts after suggesting that he is Vigged, you claim he is the most townish player here? Inconsistency much?
Even now you cant seem to decide what your stance on CKD is...

Vote: Armlx

I think buddies is most likely, and i'm happy to see either hang at this point, although i'm more sure about Armlx.

BM

Battle Mage · Sun Jun 15, 2008 3:34 am

armlx wrote:I promote the shun all people who lie like BM did lynch those who dangerously lie meta.

*shunned*

jeebus, do you EVER shut up?? 0.o

I think you've protested far too much to be town...

BM

Battle Mage · Sun Jun 15, 2008 4:25 am

armlx wrote:
Why do you differentiate between finding someone scummy and actively pushing their lynch?
We have an active vig. A CKD wagon gains us pretty much no more info then the
discussion of vigging him would (just yea or nay, placing on the wagon would be irrel). More productive things to do with the lynch.

Maybe so, but if you think someone is scum, you make sure that they die. You have made it perfectly clear that you arent worried either way, despite the original assertion that you wanted him dead.

Armlx wrote:
rofl. Here, just a few posts after suggesting that he is Vigged, you claim he is the most townish player here? Inconsistency much?
CKD posted in between the 2 posts you realize. His acceptance of his death was enough for me to believe he is town. The list is also not in order from top to bottom.

I believe he had already done so before you suggested that he was vigged, hence the self-vote, followed by the Unvote after your post. But, lets play it your way. You believed he was town, and, a few pages when i ask you about it, you still want to see him dead. Why is that?

Armlx wrote:
My FoS stands. If you thought you'd get off the hook by naming 3 lurkers, 1 of whom isn't even playing anymore, you are VERY wrong.
There has been logic behind all 3. The fact they are lurking is irrel.

Peers- See desperate mafia. He capable of not being dumb like he was this game.

WhoMe- Stated many times in thread by various people.

Imat- Suggesting the Jester, his early attack of Lloyd, the way he attacked me out of the BM/me argument D1 then just sat back and did nothing about it until momentum was in his favor to do so, claiming he is voting scummy players when he has voted once all game (his post #15), self admitted echoing of Khelvaster, after pressing me just sorta supports the oEJo and TLP wagons from the shadows, FINALLY votes TLP when the wagon on him was big, unvotes when the wagon gets called out, tries to throw doubt on farside after waffling on the K7 wagon

I seem to recall rereading Imat several times previously, and on none of those occassions did i find anything that made him worth considering as a lynch target. I cant understand what you are saying about Peers. Please fix your grammar and repost it. Wasn't Whome going to be vigged earlier in the game until we concluded that the fact the Vig was still alive, suggested that Whome was town?

BM

Battle Mage · Sun Jun 15, 2008 4:27 am

armlx wrote:
Battle Mage wrote:
armlx wrote:I promote the shun all people who lie like BM did lynch those who dangerously lie meta.
*shunned*

jeebus, do you EVER shut up?? 0.o

I think you've protested far too much to be town...

BM
is all I have to say to this. No need to be aggressive because I'm calling out the play that got you misvigged as bad.

Needless to say, if you are town, i'll be having this out with you post-game. But i'm happy to see you hang now.

BM

Battle Mage · Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:22 am

killa seven wrote:voting armlx is a distraction of lynching real scum

Since when did voting scum become a detriment to lynching scum?

I don't see what your defence is based on. Why are you so sure that Armlx is town?

BM

Battle Mage · Mon Jun 16, 2008 8:50 pm

killa seven wrote:
Battle Mage wrote:
killa seven wrote:voting armlx is a distraction of lynching real scum
Since when did voting scum become a detriment to lynching scum?

I don't see what your defence is based on. Why are you so sure that Armlx is town?

BM
im not gettin scum vibes off him.

Ok, can you please do me a favour and do a PbPa of him then?
I'm interested to see how you construe his posts, in comparison to my own personal views.

BM

Battle Mage · Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:44 pm

armlx wrote:
TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:Whome is doing an excellent job of popping up just long enough to dispel suspicion, then disappearing again. We could do a lot worse.
Meh, I'll get on it. No one cares about Imat I guess...

Unvote, Vote WhoMe

More bandwagonning.

Also note that on this page, Matt claims NOT COP. Will try and read through his breadcrumbs later.

BM

Battle Mage · Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:50 pm

armlx wrote:I agree with Matt_S that a 'Bloki lynch is very acceptable. Like I said, I have seen that Peers-town can actually be productive, and his utter lack of logic in this game is disgusting. Only thing that changes is I would rather lynch wagon him now then vig kill him before (wasting lynches on people who are likely to not respond in relevant ways is dumb).

CKD, I want to respond to your question once Bloki does. Just FYI.

Yeh, is there any lynch you DONT support? Oh yeh. Your own ofc.

I agree with CKD about Whome. *shudder*
Happy scumday btw.

WhoMe? wrote:
i'm not voting armlx, i'm voting TSN

Then you are being really unhelpful. Can we go back to the good old days where we lynched the SK already? We need bandwagons on scummy players to panic them! Armlx first, then we can give Matt S and his town-leading some consideration. I just cant see what he's playing at...

BM

Battle Mage · Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:00 pm

Actually forget what i said about Matt. I was being dumb.

BM

Battle Mage · Tue Jun 17, 2008 1:28 am

yeh, PbPa's all round on Armlx please. For every protown post of his, i'll be able to point out 2 more scummy ones.

BM

Battle Mage · Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:42 am

andersonw wrote:It seems to me that BM has been making pretty much the same arguments on armlx, like his flip-flopping on CKD, which he has already explained, and most of them don't hold much weight. I'm not sure if it means he is scummy for that, though.

But right now, I want to get the Tarhalihdur/Matt S. thing cleared up. Tar, please post soon!

It bugs me when people just put 2 people together, and assume that there is a confrontation that needs to be resolved. It encourages scum to set up multiple mislynches. What are your comments on Armlx? I'm not going to take you all that seriously unless you give some content, or at least look like you are trying to participate.

BM

Battle Mage · Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:44 am

armlx wrote:
Yeh, is there any lynch you DONT support? Oh yeh. Your own ofc. Razz
See my list. Anyone in the top list I endorse a lynch of (I notice you call me out for voting WhoMe, see said list, on the top tier, same with Bloki). Middle tier I will probably be against baring anything major happening that would move them to top tier, and low tier hell no.

yeh, PbPa's all round on Armlx please. For every protown post of his, i'll be able to point out 2 more scummy ones.
Nice way to derail the game by demanding PBPA's on someone with 400 posts. Rereads are more productive as doing that + a summary won't flood the thread.

wth? The difference between what i am asking and what you are suggesting is?? It still requires people to do the same amount of reading. My way just makes it somewhat worthwhile.

BM

Battle Mage · Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:47 am

armlx wrote:
It bugs me when people just put 2 people together, and assume that there is a confrontation that needs to be resolved.
Except there is one.

how can there be a confrontation? Matt S is confirmed town. Tarhalindur is lurking. What warrants us distracting the town over this?

BM

Battle Mage · Thu Jun 19, 2008 8:03 am

Tarhalindur wrote:/prodded

Short on time again.

yeh. really informative.

Battle Mage · Thu Jun 19, 2008 8:09 am

okey doke.

HoS: Tarhalindur

I suggest that if you have information which indicates that he is not who he claims to be, YOU claim- not him.

I'm happy that he is confirmed at this point. If you know different, the burden of proof is on you.

BM

Battle Mage · Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:19 am

killa seven wrote:
Battle Mage wrote:
armlx wrote:
It bugs me when people just put 2 people together, and assume that there is a confrontation that needs to be resolved.
Except there is one.
how can there be a confrontation? Matt S is confirmed town. Tarhalindur is lurking. What warrants us distracting the town over this?

BM
hmm i missed this, how is matt comfirmed town?

He just is. Try reading.

Battle Mage · Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:48 pm

armlx wrote:
Request Replacement (take your time if needed, Jordan - it's not urgent - but a replacement would be appreciated)

Lame.

Yeh. You nearly succeeded in distracting the town from running you up!

BM

Battle Mage · Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:49 pm

Matt_S wrote:
killa seven wrote:So what is your role then if you dont need "hide it".
Please be more subtle with the fishing. Just because I don't care if people find out doesn't mean I'll just shout it out. Otherwise I would have claimed when Tar asked.

HoS: Killa Seven

Meta-ing you now with your earlier play might be worthwhile tomorrow.

BM

Battle Mage · Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:52 pm

Matt_S wrote:I think BM figured out my role. I didn't think it would be very hard, but I was really starting to wonder. There was never a real attempt to keep it too much of a secret, and there was a sort of breadcrumb attempt, but it could be passed as circumstantial.

So I want to lynch Celebloki. Peers was obvscum. After that, if Celebloki comes up scum, then it's TheSweatpantsNinja. Peers once said "Yeah, god forbid you make him change his vote. It might give the rest of us something to judge him by besides his attitude. " when I was threatening to vote TheSweatpantsNinja. That's one of the only posts where Peers shows some aggression. I don't find it coincidental that it was related to TheSweatpantsNinja. Then, if TheSweatpantsNinja turns up scum, it's killa seven next. When I was attacking TheSweatpantsNinja in regards to the Rosso wagon, killa seven attacked me for not having my own opinions, despite all the posts I made in regards to Rosso. It looks an awful lot like a chainsaw defense. Why am I telling you all this? Because I don't feel the need to hide this now.

Yeh, and i think we should probably quit it with the role discussion now. -.-
Please join me in voting for Armlx.

BM

Battle Mage · Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:16 pm

killa seven wrote:
Battle Mage wrote:
Matt_S wrote:
killa seven wrote:So what is your role then if you dont need "hide it".
Please be more subtle with the fishing. Just because I don't care if people find out doesn't mean I'll just shout it out. Otherwise I would have claimed when Tar asked.

HoS: Killa Seven

Meta-ing you now with your earlier play might be worthwhile tomorrow.

BM
Wait you do actual leg work?

Yeh. I think im the only one here, with the exception of Matt.

BM

Battle Mage · Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:42 am

armlx wrote:
Yeh. You nearly succeeded in distracting the town from running you up! Razz
No, but finding a replacement for a 123 page game is pretty awkward.

Maybe you should try and help then?

you were wrong. about rosso, you attacked everyone who refused to vote him, i called u out on it, not chainsaw defending. then immediately the next day u threatend to vote anyone voting you.
Rosso was 100% legit auto-death band wagon. See Killer Scarecrows from Vegas Mafia (theme mini).

Armlx is right here, convenient as it may seem. Without the benefit of hindsight, any half decent town would have killed him every time.

BM

Battle Mage · Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:16 am

TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:
BM wrote: Yeh, and i think we should probably quit it with the role discussion now. -.-
Please join me in voting for Armlx.
Please join me in voting for WhoMe. That guy needs to die.

Help me run up Armlx today, and I'll vote for Whome tomorrow. Hows that?

BM

Battle Mage · Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:18 am

armlx wrote:
Maybe you should try and help then? Rolling Eyes
I was. By ad homing tar like that I felt I had a chance to keep him from leaving.

personally, id rather have an active fresh face than somebody who by their own admission, does not have the will to play. It's not like this game has been especially difficult to fill so far. Getting Pie back might be a good place to start.

BM

Battle Mage · Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:20 am

farside22 wrote:
Battle Mage wrote:
TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:
BM wrote: Yeh, and i think we should probably quit it with the role discussion now. -.-
Please join me in voting for Armlx.
Please join me in voting for WhoMe. That guy needs to die.
Help me run up Armlx today, and I'll vote for Whome tomorrow. Hows that?

BM

unvote:
vote: Armix

We good now.

At last, you're learning!

You've got yourself a deal.

BM

Battle Mage · Sat Jun 21, 2008 2:57 am

Toaster Strudel wrote:I'm not going to let BM bully me into switching my vote from WhoMe to armlx.

Then you quite clearly dont ACTUALLY want to see Whome lynched.

FoS: TS

I'm only HALF joking.

BM

Battle Mage · Sat Jun 21, 2008 2:59 am

Korlash wrote:
killa Seven wrote:BM has killed more townies in directing vigs and BW's than scum players.
You know whats funny... that kinda makes him a great mafia player. He might not win alot of games like that... but isn't mafia 9/10ths about getting others to do what you want and believe what you say?

I just feel hes getting a negative tone over this when in reality it's simply a reason for the rest of you to think before you follow him is all. my personal motto is that it should take you a good time before you follow a newbie player, and a longer time before you follow a great player.

Although all this is irrelevant, i find I have very little else to say =/ so... yay for input!

Also I do not indorse either the Armlx or whome? lynch at this time. Neither do i have any opinions good or bad about BM2. Thanks for listening and have a great night! =D

*catchy theme music*

Thats a hell of an act to follow.

Umm, all i can say is:

Korlash. What a Legend. <3

BM

Battle Mage · Sat Jun 21, 2008 3:00 am

armlx wrote:
BM did, but not BM2
Which one did is irrel, as I'm not saying its a scum tell. My point is there is a pattern and most likely regardless of alignment he tries this to get his opinion through.

I dont remember this, so you'll have to give me a link to remind me. As far as i'm aware, i havent broken a promise of this nature to this point.

BM

Battle Mage · Sat Jun 21, 2008 3:02 am

killa seven wrote:
Matt_S wrote:
armlx wrote:
I'm not going to let BM bully me into switching my vote from WhoMe to armlx.
Actually, didn't he do this to everyone with dahill?
Yeah, he kind of did. I caved in yesterday, but not today.
same here.
BM has killed more townies in directing vigs and BW's than scum players.
im not inclined to vote for someone just because he said so.

Are you still pissed that i nailed u as SK?

One damn good reason ive got more townies than scumbags killed is, THERE ARE MORE TOWNIES THAN SCUMBAGS IN THE GAME. If you take into the 25% rule, you'll probably find that ive been part of a greater PROPORTION of scum deaths than average. Which means, by following me, you have an increased chance of nailing scum. Do you want to kill scum?

BM

Battle Mage · Sat Jun 21, 2008 3:16 am

TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:I'm not interested in lynching armlx.

Off hand, I'd lynch whome (obviously), TS, skitzer, or anderson before armlx.

I'm not really even clear on what the reasons for lynching him are.

How can you make an informed judgement on whether you want to lynch Armlx or not, when you clearly have made no attempt to find out the case on him.

I've issued a challenge to every single player here. Read Armlx's posts, and find something that suggests he is protown. It's not like i'm issuing this challenge with any intention of doing less work myself. I like the way in which some people portray me as lazy, but im the only person here who is willing to do a full reread of 1 player.

I'm not going to take any of this Whome-suspicion seriously until there is some evidence that you arent just tunnel-visioning him.

BM

Battle Mage · Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:40 am

Toaster Strudel wrote:Let me get this straight.

Armlx is guilty unless proven innocent?

No thanks. My vote stays on WhoMe.

No. He's guilty because i've given a case against him, and nobody has refuted it, whereas i've already pointed out the gaping hole in the Whome-case. Nuff said.

BM

Battle Mage · Sat Jun 21, 2008 11:46 pm

Toaster Strudel wrote:Your previous incarnation started the WhoMe case.

So there's a gaping hole?

Nuff said.

At this point the only player worthy of my changing my vote would be you, BM.

Do you never learn? Wait, forgot who i was talking to for a sec. If you needed any more evidence that you are spewing your usual BS- the fact that Killa 7 is agreeing with you is as concrete as you can expect.

My previous incarnation as you put it, started cases on almost everyone. The fact is, my previous incarnation later realised that Whome was

very likely

innocent as a result of night actions. The beauty of reading the thread, is that i can remember stuff like that.

And because i'm not lazy like Armlx, i'll happily go and read that part of the game again in order to re-explain this to those of you who were not paying attention at the time, or replaced in afterwards.

Lol Armlx now wants to see me Vigged? now theres a big surprise. Not quite OMGUS, but certainly a survival aid nonetheless.

Geez, this game is so transparent, it's funny! lol

BM

Battle Mage · Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:25 am

Toaster Strudel wrote:
Battle Mage wrote:My previous incarnation as you put it, started cases on almost everyone. The fact is, my previous incarnation later realised that Whome was
very likely
innocent as a result of night actions. The beauty of reading the thread, is that i can remember stuff like that.
Hey. You're not supposed to tell us how your predecessor felt or what he knew. You don't want to get yourself modkilled, though it would save us some work if your did!

Lol it's nothing that the entire town doesnt know. That is, if the entire town has read what was said outright earlier in the game.

BM

Battle Mage · Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:29 am

armlx wrote:
The fact is, my previous incarnation later realised that Whome was very likely innocent as a result of night actions.
Link plz.

I'm doing a full reread of the game atm. I'm on Page 15, but should be making some headway over the next couple of days. I reckon it was about half way through the game. I'm making notes as i read anyway, and you'll get the full analysis when i'm done. Yeh, i was pretty bored alright. lol

Armlx wrote:
Lol Armlx now wants to see me Vigged? now theres a big surprise. Not quite OMGUS, but certainly a survival aid nonetheless. Very Happy
. Do you want me to go on my rant about default vigging?

Yes please. I hope and suspect that it will be in direct contradiction to your earlier rant about vigging, which consisted of lecturing everyone not to use a Vig ability unless they were sure it was on scum. But yes, i'd love to hear anything you have to say on gameplay, because:
1. You might learn something.
2. It'll make the thread fun(ny) again!

BM

Battle Mage · Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:19 am

armlx wrote:
I hope and suspect that it will be in direct contradiction to your earlier rant about vigging, which consisted of lecturing everyone not to use a Vig ability unless they were sure it was on scum.
My opinion has changed on the theory of vigging since 4.5 months ago, as well as misrepresenting it. I never said sure, merely that they had a logical suspicion, which is a very different thing.

There are specific people who as scum or town are equally non-productive (Rosso, DGB usually, though she has impressed my this game, Gimbo)

Hold on a second. DGB isnt in this game. TS is. TS is the stupid, always-scum version of DGB. Theres a reason i only invite DGB to games i Mod.

But, please do tell what aspect of her play in this game has 'impressed' you?

Armlx wrote:or equally extremely scummy (LML is the poster boy of this and the only example I have found).

Erm, you mean, liek...me?

Armlx wrote:Their presence in the town is rarely beneficial and as such their removal via vig at any point, even on N0, results in a net gain for the town. Said people are rarely good lynches as their behavior is rarely indicative of scum/town one way of the other and people voting them are pretty much undifferentiable in their reasons, but in the absence of better kills they are best removed from the game. Unless someone is crusading against them for their standard behavior, I won't oppose their death, but I won't actively endorse it until the better kill thing falls through.

I also found that post on WhoMe, but after that point you went back on it from what I have read.

Link then?

ftr, i still dont quite see the relevance of your discussion on vigging. I was actually expecting better.

BM

Battle Mage · Mon Jun 23, 2008 2:55 am

armlx wrote:
Erm, you mean, liek...me? Shocked
Yes. That would be where you fall.

So why havent you taken this into account? Moreover, is it the case that you deem me a useless entity? Furthermore, in what manner do you think my play has contrasted between me originally playing, and me replacing back in? I understand that you may have genuinely f$$$ed up once. But why would you want to do that again?

Armlx wrote:
ftr, i still dont quite see the relevance of your discussion on vigging. I was actually expecting better. Surprised
It explains what you were trying to call me out for as scummy.

Do you not find it a tad ironic that in your discussion you point out that anyone trying to lynch me for my normal behaviour is scummy, suggest that if this occurs, i am probably town, and then proceed to fall into your own self-prompted scumtell. Inconsistency ftl.

Armlx wrote: Korlash, you are better then you give yourself credit for.

Buddying up...

Armlx wrote: BM, that post

Battle Mage wrote:
armlx wrote:Poison death is quite interesting if it is what I think it is.

Anyways, back to where we were.

Vote Whome
Hmm
FoS: Armlx

What DO you think it is?

Also, whats with the Whome-vote?

I'll reveal my thoughts on the new kill method after Armlx has explained himself. Otherwise, the scum kill method is interesting. Not only did they apparently take note of my suggestion that Nemesis was the RB, but they also decided to intentionally allow Farside to live. Now whether that was through fear of a Doc remains to be seen, but as far as i can tell, it seems unlikely that the mafia would know there even is one. My guess is, as long as none of their members is in danger, they are allowing the Vig to live. To this end, i suggest we no longer discuss potential vig choices at the end of the day (i know this is different to what i said before, but we live and learn). Now as the vig choice last night was pretty much out of Whome? and Xtoxm, the fact that they didnt take a pop at Farside speaks volumes about Whome?.
This coupled with his behaviour at the end of yesterday make me think he is probably town, and a VERY bad play for today-hence my dislike of Armlx's opening vote.

Finally, with 3 of my high suspects dead, its time for a closer look at some other players, once we've all checked in.

BM
Its really a lot of WIFOM logic.

Yeh thats it. Thanks. It could be a bit WIFOMy, but i think it's a good idea to read Whome's play at the end of the preceding day, as suggested there.

BM

Battle Mage · Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:03 am

Armlx wrote:
But, please do tell what aspect of her play in this game has 'impressed' you?
Posts that look logical instead of masses of "X is scum"

Actually, i've just read her posts in isolation...and relentless, poorly backed up accusations are whats on the menu. Logical? Lol. If logical leads you to so many mislynches, i think i'll stick with my c00ky gameplay.

BM

Battle Mage · Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:17 am

Scope. You're a good man. <3

Battle Mage · Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:50 am

armlx wrote:
Matt_S wrote:Guys, guys. I'll happily lynch you both when I'm done lynching scum.
This post is so full of win it hurts.

so you know i'm town?

Battle Mage · Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:52 am

armlx wrote:
I also honestly missed your case on armlx, I really really don't want to go back and reread either your posts or his, so just reiterate it. I'm not unwilling to lynch armlx, I just need a good reason to.
He basically is saying that my saying that CKD could die after the BM1 fiasco, then changing my mind after CKD self voted is scummy.

Please don't answer for me. It's the height of arrogance. And it is misleading when you dont answer correctly.

TSPN- I'm writing an analysis of the entire game atm. If you dont want to read the entirety of Armlx's posts, you can wait for that.

BM

Battle Mage · Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:58 am

armlx wrote:

So why havent you taken this into account? Moreover, is it the case that you deem me a useless entity? Furthermore, in what manner do you think my play has contrasted between me originally playing, and me replacing back in? I understand that you may have genuinely f$$$ed up once. But why would you want to do that again?
I have starting today. I now feel I have a sufficient sample size given your straight up lie about your role for pretty much no reason.

Grrr

BM

Battle Mage · Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:54 am

andersonw wrote:I have a feeling this day will last forever... I also have a feeling that my feeling will be right.

Anyways, BM has been using some not so great logic against armlx, like accusing him without any reasoning. For example, in post 3127, he accuses armlx of buddying up with Korlash when to me, it seems like armlx is just reminding Korlash that he isn't as bad as he thinks he is, nothing more. If I knew more about Korlash and if he is a good mafia player, I would have said the same thing.

Personally, i wouldnt. This is Mafia, not a social meeting. It makes our job a hell of alot more difficult if people appear to be buddying up for no reason. Korlash knows he is a good mafia player, and he knows i think so. If i wanted to discuss this with him, i'd do so OUTSIDE OF THE GAME THREAD.

andersonw wrote: btw, I also feel that BM2 is playing differently from BM1, it's just a feeling though.

armlx wrote:
Matt_S wrote:Guys, guys. I'll happily lynch you both when I'm done lynching scum.
This post is so full of win it hurts.
QFTLOL

accusing without any reasoning? sound familiar? lol

BM

Battle Mage · Tue Jun 24, 2008 3:19 am

Korlash wrote:hey al I'm going on vacation here for a week. Might not be back until the 1st. I'll get on hen I can but it migth be sparadic and random.

Um... I'm hoping I get on enough no replacement should be needed... >.>

As for input right now...

What exactly are you guys arguing about? Seriously I was reading the last few posts and saw someone said something about wasting the day or something and it made me laugh... You guy don't like how Bm plays? Then stop posting little one liner posts and stop posting nonsense for him to respond to with more nonsense. find someone and attack them. question someone. If you dont think BM2 is scum then shut up about him and move on.

Or alternatively, if they actually want me to shut up, they can do as i say. That works too.

Korlash wrote: BM2: Hi! Watsup? How are things? Looking forward to that analysis you talked about. Also on the buddying up thing, I do find it ironic you would claim that about Armlx and *imply* it is some type of scummy behavior (yeah, mean it or not that is the implication you get from it) and then pretty much make love to kale in the next couple of posts. Just saying... Hard to accuse your wife of cheating if you just came home from a date with your secretary right? (where was my mind on this one... >.>)

Things are good thanks. Glad you could join the party

I'm very tempted to quote "you pretty much make love to kale in the next couple of posts". rofl
In truth, the scenarios are different. I was complimenting Kale directly because he cast a vote for someone who i approved of lynching. Armlx on the other hand, felt the impulse to hump your leg for no reason whatsoever. lol

have fun in florida,

BM

Battle Mage · Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:46 am

Bogre wrote:The above is true, having just done a full reread. It was brutal.

Whome? seems less likely to be scum due to some of the night actions, as BM said, but I don't know if he and I are thinking about the same thing.

well, what are you thinking about?

Bogre wrote: Right now he's just looking protown, but doing a bad job of scumhunting/defending himself.

What do i have to defend myself against? How do you figure that im doing a bad job of scumhunting? That is surely dependent on whether Armlx is scum or not?

BM

Battle Mage · Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:49 am

Bogre wrote:
andersonw wrote: Anyways, BM has been using some not so great logic against armlx, like accusing him without any reasoning. For example, in post 3127, he accuses armlx of buddying up with Korlash when to me, it seems like armlx is just reminding Korlash that he isn't as bad as he thinks he is, nothing more. If I knew more about Korlash and if he is a good mafia player, I would have said the same thing.
That doesn't mean he's necessarily scum, it's just making the day go even longer.
Armlx, also. You also try to halfheartedly throw out suspicion on BM without trying to sound very passionate about it...it looks like you're not trying to get BM interested in you.

Armlx has yet to respond to this. It's a pretty valid point. On numerous occassions he has declared me assuredly protown, yet still seems to want me dead...

BM

Battle Mage · Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:25 am

armlx wrote:
Matt_S wrote:Guys, guys. I'll happily lynch you both when I'm done lynching scum.
This post is so full of win it hurts.

Need i direct you back 2 pages to this post? ^^

You clearly suggest that you know i am protown. Not quite pre-BM2.

If you were trying to keep your story straight, you probably need to try harder...

BM

Battle Mage · Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:29 am

armlx wrote:
You clearly suggest that you know i am protown. Not quite pre-BM2. Rolling Eyes
Hardly. It simply echoed my opinion you weren't worth lynching at the time as per default lynch policy.

if thats what you meant, maybe you should have said it. I'm not buying it.

BM

Battle Mage · Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:31 am

armlx wrote:
if thats what you meant, maybe you should have said it. I'm not buying it.
Yawn. Thats what you've said about everything I've said all day.

Maybe that should tell you something about your consistency.

BM

Battle Mage · Sat Jul 05, 2008 3:34 am

armlx wrote:
killa seven wrote:im here, did battle mage die?
Not yet.

keep up. I died last night, remember?

Armlx, srsly, i wish you would stop humouring this guy. If you want to become a comedy duo, please do so outside of the game (and preferably, outside of MS). Encouraging stupidity is just plain irritating.

BM

Battle Mage · Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:16 am

hmm, sorry guys. I did make an alt, and posted, but it was deleted. The post AND the account. -.-
I'm sorting it out with Mith now.

BM

Battle Mage · Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:36 am

Matt_S wrote:
Battle Mage wrote:hmm, sorry guys. I did make an alt, and posted, but it was deleted. The post AND the account. -.-
I'm sorting it out with Mith now.

BM

what?

Battle Mage · Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:15 am

curiouskarmadog wrote:TSN kill?..interesting.

only one kill? farside did you submit one?

going to reread yesterday..but I still think that skitzer is the way to go.

What's interesting about a TSN kill in your opinion?

Yeh i'd like to hear from Farside too. It's not like she didnt have plenty of time to get a choice in. 0.o

Brownie points for consistency if nothing else...

BM

Battle Mage · Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:18 am

armlx wrote:
Vote Bloki

Nuff said.
Still
think he is scum.

umm, wot?
Nuff said?? You havent said anything. At the end of yesterday you were voting for Whome. Not Bloki. I've gotta repeat my question from yesterday. Who DON'T you 'think is scum'. Is there anyone you arent willing to shamelessly bandwagon? 0.o
You didnt even deign to comment on the end of yesterday. I wonder why...

Vote: Armlx

BM

Battle Mage · Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:20 am

Korlash wrote:Woohoo post 20!

>.> <.<

I forget what was going on...
Did BM make his alt yet?
Did Sonya's twin cousin wake up from her coma?!?!? WHO DID MITCH MARRY?!?!?!?!?!

All this and more to be revealed...
As Time Goes On!

Gotta love those soaps...

Shit, i KNEW there was something i had to remember!

I admit, when i read this bit, and looked at the page count, i rofl'd.

BM

Battle Mage · Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:23 am

skitzer wrote:A weird thing I want to do now: How many posts each person has made, including replacements.

armlx (471)

Shit....

We've REALLY gotta kill this guy. 0.o

BM

Battle Mage · Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:47 am

curiouskarmadog wrote:
Battle Mage wrote:
curiouskarmadog wrote:TSN kill?..interesting.

only one kill? farside did you submit one?

going to reread yesterday..but I still think that skitzer is the way to go.
What's interesting about a TSN kill in your opinion?

just thought there were better targets for both mafia and farside...will explore this topic more once farside checks in and I reread.

Why do you think that Farside would have taken a pop at Matt? 0.o

BM

Battle Mage · Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:53 am

armlx wrote:
Nuff said?? You havent said anything. At the end of yesterday you were voting for Whome. Not Bloki. I've gotta repeat my question from yesterday. Who DON'T you 'think is scum'. Is there anyone you arent willing to shamelessly bandwagon? 0.o
I have said things about it.

I endorse it. Peers/Bloki/whoever is one of the people I am very willing to lynch at this point as per the list.
This was yesterday.

As for who I won't be willing to "shamelessly wagon", which I believe I answered yesterday with the same thing.

Top tier Scummy:
Bogre/Imat (lots of FOSes w/ little vote movement, wagoned TLP, sounds very opportunistic)
killa 7 (all the things i said about antithesis lurking in plain sight)
Celebloki (Peers is capable of logic as town. He was deliberately dumb here)

Possibly scum:
Tarhalidur (matt S issue seems dodgy)

???:
Surye (waiting for him to say more)
BM/xtoxm (no freaking clue here)

Town:
Andycyca (seems conservative yet willing to do stuff, townish, but where the hell is he)
TS (actually trying to help, Incog is obv town on review for same reason)
Korlash (a lot of QuickBen's posts seem pro-town to me, could be wrong here, mno seems on par)
farside (obv)
andersonw (not a lot of posts, comes off as pro-town. Could be wrong again. Also reasons from an ongoing)
CKD (yeah, I trust him as being legit so far in his reasoning)
Matt_s (I got nothing here, all his posts are pretty neutral tell-wise IMO, Tar thing going on)
Skitzer (Matt_S says so)
Kscope (Matt_S says so)
Updated, I see 4 I am willing to vote right now out of 15.

And BM, that not willing to comment thing is a straight up false statement. What are you even talking about.

You voted, and said 'Nuff Said'. What sort of reaction did you EXPECT??

BM

Battle Mage · Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:54 am

JordanA24 wrote:
Something Awesome wrote:hey guys, i'm replacing someone i think. Better start reading....

Correct, I had just got an urgent PM from mith, telling me that he'd decided to force armlx to take a sabbatical from Mafia because his consistently high posting levels is starting to mess with the entire server. You are replacing armlx SA, enjoy!

Only kidding! SA is actually a BM alt, and the above was a pre-emptive April Fools joke because, let's face it, we'll all probably still be here next April Fools...

Carry on!

rofl. unlucky kiddo!

BM

Battle Mage · Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:37 am

Something Awesome wrote:
JordanA24 wrote:
Something Awesome wrote:hey guys, i'm replacing someone i think. Better start reading....

Correct, I had just got an urgent PM from mith, telling me that he'd decided to force armlx to take a sabbatical from Mafia because his consistently high posting levels is starting to mess with the entire server. You are replacing armlx SA, enjoy!

Only kidding! SA is actually a BM alt, and the above was a pre-emptive April Fools joke because, let's face it, we'll all probably still be here next April Fools...

Carry on!
Alright, sweet! (Sorry to hear armlx btw, I promise to be a good replacement)

Anyway, after a brief read of the last 5 pages, I find BM to be too scummy for words, it's just unbelievable, he should be executed immediatly

Vote: Battle Mage

erm, wtf?
Do you have, like, a case or sumthing?

0.o

BM

Battle Mage · Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:05 am

curiouskarmadog wrote:ok so SA is a BM alt.

rofl, actually SA, is a BM-Jordan alt.

Sadly, the Jordan half also has Mod Powers in thread, making him the supreme commander of SA.

BM

Battle Mage · Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:07 am

curiouskarmadog wrote:
Battle Mage wrote:
curiouskarmadog wrote:
Battle Mage wrote:
curiouskarmadog wrote:TSN kill?..interesting.

only one kill? farside did you submit one?

going to reread yesterday..but I still think that skitzer is the way to go.
What's interesting about a TSN kill in your opinion?

just thought there were better targets for both mafia and farside...will explore this topic more once farside checks in and I reread.
Why do you think that Farside would have taken a pop at Matt? 0.o

BM
I dont...if the mafia took a stab at Matt, then farside must have killed TSPN...I think there was probably scummy targets other than TSPN

You clearly havent taken into account Farside's kill flavour being different to that of the Mafia... 0.o

BM

Battle Mage · Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:09 am

farside22 wrote:
killa seven wrote:
farside22 wrote:
Korlash wrote:Who says he was protected and you wern't blocked?
Good point. Now unless scum wasnt' paying attention then either they blocked me because I state who I was targeting or second they didn't know who I was going to target so they blocked me.
I thought people were notified when they were roleblocked?
well this does make sense since the entire game u have stated who you would night kill and this is the first time your kill didnt go threw.
I don't know for sure on this.
Anyone know if you are notified if someone RB's you? Or is that a case by case basis for a mod to decide?

speaking personally, in my 97 games so far on MS (sorry, had to throw that in there) i dont think i've EVER been given notification of roleblock, unless of course i have an investigative role. As a Vig, i dont think you would get notification.

BM

Battle Mage · Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:10 am

armlx wrote:Korlash is right on the RB standard.

And BM, the reaction I expected was the same I would have expected towards a player who has shown interest in a players actions for several game days and explained why they were scummy given a meta. Oh wait, thats because I did do that.

wait, you're pursuing this case based on a...META??

I'm truly lost for words. My vote stands.

BM

Battle Mage · Sat Jul 26, 2008 4:01 am

I go by the rule that when Jordan is away on holiday, and ABR has been left in charge, he probably needs a sharp prod in the bejesus.

BM

Battle Mage · Sat Jul 26, 2008 4:03 am

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]

Vote: Celebloki

[/quote]

[quote="Skitzer"]

Vote: Celebloki

[/quote]

are we seriously letting people get away with this???

BM

Battle Mage · Sat Jul 26, 2008 4:04 am

armlx wrote:BM, a meta + Peers' behavior on day 1. I have a game that shows Peers is capable and does act like a normal player as town, so his behavior this game is just as out of place as it would be for you or I.

NEGWLTWWTKY. Need i say more?

BM

Battle Mage · Sun Jul 27, 2008 1:19 am

skitzer wrote:
skitzer wrote:Isolated readthrough of ThugBehram/Peers/Celebloki (in the same fomat as TheSweatpantsNinja)

Post 4 (Peers): He says that his vote on Battle Mage was because of a meta. I personally don’t agree with metas.

Post 17 (Peers): He hops on the killa seven pressure-wagon, this may sound hypocritical but I learned not to employ pressure-wagons, usually, they are not worthwhile. But in this case, I guess it was.

Post 34 (Peers): Unexplained vote. These are always notable.

Post 0 (Celebloki): Thinks BM was protown. Of course, I’m not sure either, but I don’t think he was protown.

Post 3 (Celebloki): Still doesn’t agree that BM was bad.

Post 5 (Celebloki): Earlier, he suspected Matt_S. Now, after Matt_S attacks him, he seems to focus directly on his other suspect, WhoMe?. This is definitely strange.

Post 6 (Celebloki): Not to be bias, but I hardly doubt Celebloki has never been lynched in any mafia game.

In conclusion: If I were just to do a reread of Peers, I would classify him as neutral. But Celebloki’s Post 5 and 6, but mainly Post 5, have convinced me for now.
Vote: Celebloki

I think I’m going to do more readthroughs, because I’m sure there are better cases out there.
Plus the reasons of many others to agree with this.

Does that help, BM?

I'll have a look at it in a sec. But it does put you above Scope in my mind.

BM

Battle Mage · Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:33 am

skitzer wrote:
skitzer wrote:Isolated readthrough of ThugBehram/Peers/Celebloki (in the same fomat as TheSweatpantsNinja)

Post 4 (Peers): He says that his vote on Battle Mage was because of a meta. I personally don’t agree with metas.
I'm not saying that Peers' meta of me had value, but firstly, its hard to reinforce that you 'dont agree with metas'. More importantly, why should your views on metas, which are used by 98% of people on MS at various times, be considered a scumtell from Peers?

Skitzer wrote: Post 17 (Peers): He hops on the killa seven pressure-wagon, this may sound hypocritical but I learned not to employ pressure-wagons, usually, they are not worthwhile. But in this case, I guess it was.
So did i. I wasnt scum. Not buying it- this is the sort of stuff you should be discussing in MD.

Skitzer wrote: Post 34 (Peers): Unexplained vote. These are always notable.
But in fairness, this is PEERS. What did you expect? He does this kind of thing all the time. The scummy thing if anything is that you only found 1 example of him not explaining himself properly!

Skitzer wrote: Post 0 (Celebloki): Thinks BM was protown. Of course, I’m not sure either, but I don’t think he was protown.
sorry, you lost me.

Skitzer wrote: Post 5 (Celebloki): Earlier, he suspected Matt_S. Now, after Matt_S attacks him, he seems to focus directly on his other suspect, WhoMe?. This is definitely strange.
That is a fair point. I'll look into it, along with post 6, which i guess i need to read to understand your comment

BM

Battle Mage · Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:38 pm

armlx wrote:BM, Scope is Scope, Skitzer explained himself.

I'm still looking at Skitzer's case. Rather than trying to defend everyone else, you might wanna take a look at your own case. Because as far as i can see, it's worthless.

BM

Battle Mage · Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:38 pm

Matt_S wrote:Just to refresh everyone's memory, skitzer and Kscope are the ones who are protown. Of course, they still need to follow the same standards as everyone else.

And we still haven't gotten that vote count.

did you PM ABR?

Battle Mage · Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:09 pm

Ok Skitz i read post 5 by Celebloki, and erm, whilst he did name 2 suspects and chose to attack 1 of them moreso due to a greater town consensus, he did not, as you put it, "attack Matt" then change completely to Whome. No real attack on Matt occurred, apart from speculation about his role. Sorry, but that's not good enough for me.

BM

Battle Mage · Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:02 am

armlx wrote:

I'm still looking at Skitzer's case. Rather than trying to defend everyone else, you might wanna take a look at your own case. Because as far as i can see, it's worthless.

The case on me that you base on believing CKD?

eh? I'm not quite sure what you mean. I've yet to see a response to 3327.

BM

Battle Mage · Mon Jul 28, 2008 3:42 am

armlx wrote:If I understood what it meant I could respond.

*facepalm* you werent even in that game. I think of everyone here, only me and TS were. Well, i guess you should read Peers's play in that, and you'll see my point.

BM

Battle Mage · Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:17 am

armlx wrote:BM, skimmed his posts, not seeing it.

Lol his play there and what you claim to be his scum meta are so identical, it's hilarious. Try reading them in context if you cant see that in isolation.

BM

Battle Mage · Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:19 am

I finally feel we are moving forward. An Armlx lynch can wait, if we can nail TS today.

Vote: TS

I havent had any more time to continue my analysis lately, but i havent forgotten about it, dw.

BM

Battle Mage · Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:57 am

armlx wrote:
Battle Mage wrote:I finally feel we are moving forward. An Armlx lynch can wait, if we can nail TS today.

Vote: TS

I havent had any more time to continue my analysis lately, but i havent forgotten about it, dw.

BM
So much wrong with this post....

I seem to remember you saying TS was town yesterday, you are talking about just lining up lynches, etc.

Presumably that was before i started rereading?

BM

Forgetting something bro?

Battle Mage · Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:04 am

armlx wrote:

no, because I can understand stupidity from TS. Also, i think she realised that lynching me was a bad idea for the town. She just wanted to cause trouble. Skitzer on the other hand, appears to be genuinely scummy in his approach.

Battle Mage wrote:
WhoMe? wrote:
farside22 wrote:The discussion is at a standstill because of you BM. You said you could prove something before night choices were due. I don't see how.
Don't be pissy because I wish the discussion to end and to move on. Reminder 3 days and 99 pages. I would hate to have more replacements.
Thank you Thank you Thank you.

Lets complete the TS lynch, see who does and doesnb't die durign the night, and we have enough posts for 6 data minign companies come tomorrow.
this post actually STINKS of scum. Im starting to wonder about whether i was hasty to put off your lynch earlier today. I mean, you want a hasty lynch on someone you havent even given a detailed case on, and you want to base our play during the day, on who gets killed at night? 0.o
I think the fact you comment on the quantity of data we have is nice, but it doesnt take a genius to see that, regardless of affiliation, there is NO WAY you are actually going to use any of it. Reading the game isnt going to get any easier, and the amount of pages wont decrease.

Also, i'd like to declare myself
Officially AGAINST a TS lynch today
. No, thats not just that she isnt my first choice. Posts like Whome's, and the way in which most of the pressure on her seems to be ill-contrived, and simply an attempt to get an easy, but satisfying mislynch.

I cant really see the attacks on TS as protown (although a TS lynch is a great compromise when we have NO info), so for the moment, i reccommend those on her wagon either unvote, and hide in the corner, or prepare to face my wrath.

BM

I think ive decided that TS always looks this scummy...
[/quote

yeh, i think TS is probably town.

Its hard to explain. Im sure i had a go at doing so earlier. lol
Basically, i think the way her wagon is being pushed is very scummy, and she is an easy mislynch at this point. She certainly isnt that scummy in comparison to her protown self. Not enough to warrant lynching today.

TS lynch is a no-go.
Then you die, come back, then this in response to TS saying she won't let you bully around her vote.

Then you quite clearly dont ACTUALLY want to see Whome lynched.
FoS: TS

I'm only HALF joking.

I'm almost willing to lynch you based on the inconsistant play from before when you were town.

Well, why doesnt that surprise me? It seems like you're the consistency points whore, with regard to your approach to me. I'm fairly sure that's selective quoting there, as my opinion on TS changed several times from what i recall. Regardless, there's a very good reason for my most recent change of opinion, as you will soon see.

BM

Battle Mage · Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:13 pm

armlx wrote:I haven't even read any of them, but am sure they fit the meta.

How about a game you HAVE read?

BM

Battle Mage · Sun Aug 03, 2008 11:34 am

Surye wrote:
Korlash wrote:I don't know about you but I've never recieved a pm that says :

"you are townie."

...

Or I haven't recieved one yet that is >.>

HoS: Korlash

qft. I've probably played more games than you on MS, but i get that a fair bit.

BM

Battle Mage · Sun Aug 03, 2008 11:36 am

armlx wrote:
How about a game you HAVE read?
Why does it matter? And you of all people should have played enough with DGB to know this.

Because having the gist of someone's personality is one thing. Deciding that they are completely unreadable is quite different. I'm hardly surprised to see CKD agreeing with you on this.

BM

Battle Mage · Sun Aug 03, 2008 11:39 am

Tombolo wrote:Alright, you know what? I'm getting burned out on MS, so if I wait on myself to wade through the entire topic so far, it'll take me a long time to catch up and start actually contributing. Therefore, I'm just going to jump in from here, if that's okay with people. >_> Sadly, that means I'm probably going to ask a lot of dumb questions, starting with:

Why are we lynching TS? <_<

rofl. This is not what i'd expect from you!

FoS: Tombolo

BM

Battle Mage · Sun Aug 03, 2008 10:19 pm

armlx wrote:
Because having the gist of someone's personality is one thing. Deciding that they are completely unreadable is quite different. I'm hardly surprised to see CKD agreeing with you on this. Rolling Eyes
I was trying to prove that TS/DGB's behavior is similar in most/all games she plays, not that she is unreadable.

And by producing games you have clearly not read, whilst arguing a point which is far from the truth, you've categorically failed.

BM

Battle Mage · Mon Aug 04, 2008 4:01 am

armlx wrote:
And by producing games you have clearly not read, whilst arguing a point which is far from the truth, you've categorically failed.
I believe the only reason you say this is you are trying to push a case on TS yourself.

And i believe that the only reason you are making this futile defence attempt is because you have an ulterior reason for wanting TS to survive, amirite?

Maybe, ya know, the reason i'm pushing for a TS lynch is because...i've been reading the game?

BM

Battle Mage · Sat Aug 16, 2008 4:03 am

where were we?

Oh yeh!

Vote: TS

armlx wrote:
Maybe, ya know, the reason i'm pushing for a TS lynch is because...i've been reading the game? Rolling Eyes
The last time you "reread" you came to the exact opposite conclusion off the same info.

in what way do you see that as scummy?

BM

Battle Mage · Sat Aug 16, 2008 5:40 am

Actually, if you'd been reading, i was pushing a TS wagon yesterday. An Armlx lynch quite clearly isn't going to happen until we narrow down the field a bit, and i'm very content with a TS-lynch atm

BM

Battle Mage · Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:31 am

sad way for the game to end. But for the most part, i vastly enjoyed playing. This should definitely be a contender for Best Large Normal 2008!

BM

Battle Mage · Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:34 am

btw, i was the one who killed the GF

I tried on Night 0, and failed. Then tried again, on Night 2 i think.

Battle Mage · Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:30 am

curiouskarmadog wrote:after having so many different partners (replacements)...losing the fucking mod..and BM(SA) going silent...I just didnt care anymore..

good game town, but at the end...I just wanted to die.

I think Korlash blocked us twice (a farside kill and a MattS kill)

Lol, the silence was originally accidental, but eventually deliberate. Best to at least make the town pay for not punishing lurkers.

BM

Battle Mage · Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:45 am

armlx wrote:BM, what the hell was your first role?

Drug Dealer. I was like a Jack of All Trades, but i had a 25% fail rate on any action i performed. Night 0 i tried to kill Khelvaster, but failed. I seem to recall breadcrumbing this in a discussion about killing N0. I took a shot at his successor 2 nights later. Cant really remember what else.

BM

Battle Mage · Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:02 am

I broke the PBP function. xD