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MegAzumarill She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
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Now I was thinking of my First Designed faction (Starkin) and how it doesn't fit into AbLoafs system currently, because the indicidual role card you drew for that faction had meaning.
I realized I could replicate this with either a roll or a draft, and there are two individual aspects to each role card that had meaning.
I'm wondering which is betterImprefection is the spice of life.-
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Faction Introduction:Starkin(True Groupscum)
You have access to a factional PT any time you are alive.
As a member of the starkin you have a special condition under which you are star-aligned. When you are star aligned, your actions have an additional effect.
The Starkin have a one shot factional ability to star-align one member for that night and the next day, this ability is inherently infallible and multitasking.
The Starkin also have a factional visit each night, making one member visit a player for no effect. This ability is NOT multitasking.
If a Starkin player targets more than one player due to the effect of a factional ability, and would receive results on multiple targets, they know which result came from which target.
Starkins know who of them is star-aligned at the start of each day and night phase.
Starkin will flip with their star-aligned condition and effect.
During Picks, you will receive a random Constellation from the below list. Each Starkin will have a different condition.
During Picks, you will receive 2 random Constellations from the below list. Each Starkin will have 2 different conditions and share none. You pick which of these to keep.
During Picks, you will receive 2 random Constellations and 2 Align conditions from the below list. Each Starkin will have 2 different conditions and constellations and share none. You pick one of these for each category which of these to keep.
During Picks, you will receive a random Constellations and a random Align conditions from the below list. No starkin will have the same condition or constellation.
(One of these 4, I'm not sure which)
Cop: Astrologer
Miller: Horoscope
Mason: Elder
Godfather: Mesmerizing
Spoiler: Constellation List (If first 2 options take both condition and effect, if third or fourth would take both individuallyImprefection is the spice of life.-
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MegAzumarill She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
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RH9 he/himMafia Scumhe/him
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That's true.In post 25, MegAzumarill wrote:A problem could be the lose condition of targeting 3 vanilla players
Do you think that it would help if I change their factional ability into the below?
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hmm... I'd recommend a drafting system for constellationsIn post 29, MegAzumarill wrote:I worry with the choice the faction could be too overpowered via ability to choose stronger combos, but without it it feels too swingy in power level
randomly pick n+1 unique constellations where n = number of starkin, and then have the starkin draft them during pregame (note that this will leave 1 constellation unpicked)time will end-
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Constellation drafting must be done in pregame, and it must be done in the Starkin PT as Constellation drafting requires group coordination.In post 33, MegAzumarill wrote:Notably Pregame Scum do not have access to their pt yet iirc
Constellation drafting can't be done during picks in Greater ABLoAF as the PT is not open, and constellation drafting can't wait until Day 1 as Capricorn is star aligned during Day 1 and Capricorn's star alignment is a Day ability (technically Capricorn is star-aligned during pregame, but the ability isn't relevant during pregame and the drafting system requires all starkin to not be star-aligned during pregame as they don't have constellations yet).
Starkin would literally not work without daytalk as pregame is technically not a Night phase. I typically run games with daytalk, and that means PTs are open during pregame
(also, I'm unsure whether failure to draft a Constellation should make you pick a random available Constellation or get you modkilled)time will end-
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I suppose I specific pregame phase after picks would be present, so could be drafted then.
The problem with that though, is that constellation choice is also heavily determined by your own role, considering it's augmenting nature
Maybe they see the options during picks, pick them pregame?Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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that would be a good idea, considering ABLoAF uses Greater Idea picks by defaultIn post 36, MegAzumarill wrote:I suppose I specific pregame phase after picks would be present, so could be drafted then.
The problem with that though, is that constellation choice is also heavily determined by your own role, considering it's augmenting nature
Maybe they see the options during picks, pick them pregame?
though having the constellation list shown during picks would spoil how many starkin there are before pregametime will end-
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I don't think that's a huge downside, since there are at most like 2 amounts a true groupscum can have a game start based on size and the difference is potentially meaningful but most of the time one pick will just outclass the other anywayIn post 37, TemporalLich wrote:
that would be a good idea, considering ABLoAF uses Greater Idea picks by defaultIn post 36, MegAzumarill wrote:I suppose I specific pregame phase after picks would be present, so could be drafted then.
The problem with that though, is that constellation choice is also heavily determined by your own role, considering it's augmenting nature
Maybe they see the options during picks, pick them pregame?
though having the constellation list shown during picks would spoil how many starkin there are before pregameImprefection is the spice of life.-
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Faction Introduction:(True Groupscum)Starkin
You have access to a factional PT any time you are alive, including Pregame. (But not during picks)
Each Night, you may do the of the following.
The Starkin have a one shot factional ability to star-align one member for that night and the next day, this ability is inherently infallible and multitasking.
The Starkin also have a factional check each night, making one member visit another player and learn if their action succeeded. This ability is NOT multitasking, unless used with a multitasking ability.
If a Starkin player targets more than one player due to the effect of a factional ability, and would receive results on multiple players, they know which result came from which player.
During Pregame, each Starkin Member will choose toconjoinwith a constellation no other member has conjoined with from the Starkins' Constellation Pool. This Constellation Pool is pulled from random unique constellations from the below list, and an amount equal to one more than the number of living Starkin at the start of the game. If the Starkin does not choose one to conjoin with during pregame, they conjoin with the first unconjoined constellation on the list that is in their pool.
Starkin will flip with their conjoined constellation.
Based on your conjoined constellation, you have a special condition under which you are star-aligned. When you are star aligned, your actions will work differently. This does not replace the action, but adds more effects, targets, or activation conditions onto the original action instead.
Starkin know who of them is star-aligned at the start of each day and night phase.
Starkin know their Constellation Pool during Picks.
Cop: Astrologer
Miller: Horoscope
Mason: Elder
Godfather: Mesmerizing
Spoiler: Constellation List
Notes for Edge Cases:
If a player's alignment becomes Starkin in the middle of the game, they become conjoined to the constellation that went unconjoined in the Constellation Pool, If none remain assign a random unconjoined constellation instead. If all 12 have somehow been assigned, then prevent any new players from being converted to starkin.
If a player would falsely flip as a Starkin, assign a random constellation to appear as conjoined as. Don't regard context and choose explicitly at random, even if that constellation has been used/flipped already.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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a third party I created for Grand Idea and want refinement for ABLoAF (and a better name as well maybe):
Third Party Introduction:Crazed Jailkeeper
You are a third party aligned with yourself. You have a factional Jailkeep action, with which you may protect a player from kills and prevent them from acting.
You win if the game lasts longer than Day X, where X is half the number of players rounded up.time will end
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