Demon Slayer - Kimetsu no Yaiba (Game over)

[Flavor Leaf]

i want to back to reads based play
VOTE: Ranger

I think I caught Pink in a lie, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

Okay, my big reason for not trusting Pink Ball here:

I used my Magical Fog last night. Pink couldn't have seen Klickwork targeting me.

He didn’t though
He saw “everyone but Mo and Firebringer”

You should confirm with a mod whether the “random” includes you

Why would they be excluded and not me?

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FL, jumping from "I want to believe you Pink" to "I caught Pink in a lie" is beyond ridiculous.

Now more than ever we have to eliminate Klick. If FL is scum with them, exposing himself to this idiocy is really scaring the shit out of me of Klick's role.

How?

They're essentially the same thing.

I still want to believe you.

I still think I possibly caught you in a lie.

This is why I can't trust you fully, as well as you were on my Wagonomics list. Yes, I genuinely have been seeing you as town, which is why I want to believe you. I can see KlickScum.

On a reads and gut level, I trust you.

But by MECH, I don't, so unsure where this comes from.

GIF made a good point, so it's possible, but gotta wait.

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But I believe that this is determined by NAR: I track Klick, Klick targets everyone, FL's thing activates. That's how I imagine it should work

Why would you ever be before my ability in NAR?

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Like had you targeted me and my fog, it would have redirected. That's the purpose of my ability. Never should you have been before me in NAR.

If Klick is before me, then I guess that's possible. Like Klick targeted everyone, My thing then got activated, and then you went and saw Klick successfully get to me?

Idk, seems weird.

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Grandpa is also clearly scum at this point.

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It targets someone else randomly, so I wouldn't be in the pool of possible redirects back.

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I’m trying to understand what happened as much as you

I don't like your turn on me a second ago, either. WIth my ability, I feel like town you would have at least understood where I'm coming from after my ability, but you went to possibly turn and consider me scum there.

Like, it makes sense you shouldn't have seen me, I feel, and at the very least, you should see why I could feel like you were lying about it, pulling some gambit.

You are correct that it likely would end in your death after, so I can't see I 100% see the motive besides protecting some possible partners.

[Flavor Leaf]

It targets someone else randomly, so I wouldn't be in the pool of possible redirects back.

so PB is lying?

From the stated results, yes, it looks as if Pink Ball is lying.

It could have been mod error, I guess, but I don't want to assume that. This game looks insanely difficult to keep track of all actions, though, so can't say it didn't cross my mind.

But with the given stuff, mechanically, Pink Ball is lying, yeah.

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Like, I completely acted like I didn't use my Fog last night on purpose, you can check my ISO. and Pink Ball checked in to check for my Day 2 action.

The trajectory of Pink Ball is there, but it could have been manufactured to set something up.

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I’m trying to understand what happened as much as you

I don't like your turn on me a second ago, either. WIth my ability, I feel like town you would have at least understood where I'm coming from after my ability, but you went to possibly turn and consider me scum there.

Like, it makes sense you shouldn't have seen me, I feel, and at the very least, you should see why I could feel like you were lying about it, pulling some gambit.

You are correct that it likely would end in your death after, so I can't see I 100% see the motive besides protecting some possible partners.

No dude, the turn is in what the fuck were you waiting to claim “Pink Ball is lying” after a whole “I want to believe you”. With the information I had and have now my reaction makes perfect sense. I read you as playing the daft card, then it turned into “oh you’re defending your partner”, that’s a natural reaction

eh, same thing again. I still do want to believe you while thinking you're lying. I was also kinda stalling for response. I don't know if I want to bring up the 'if' I asked for response from mod, but yeah...

@GIF - waiting to find out stuff, after this, I'm gonna stay away from bringing up topic in thread about mod questions. It's probably fine, but yeah. just to be safe.

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There's a possibility Klick got targeted with something that targeted everyone from their slot, so it's still not 100% if Pink Ball is telling the truth, but yeah

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How about we go Grandpa and then you get another track

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Kill Grandpa, Hebi on Ranger/Klick. Track Hebi? or something like that.

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just be patient, Pink, we gotta wait for stuff.

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VOTE: Pink Ball if you’re obsessed with knowing who’s lying and who’s not, just conftown me by flipping me and get Klick tomorrow. Have in mind that they targeted everyone so good luck with whatever that is. I’m not 1v1ing FL, it’s not worth it

Just curious. What if your result is a mod error and accidentally left out hebi?

I don’t really care, assuming that there was a mod error is the worst kind of scenario, I’d rather assume something else is going on.

The important thing is that the 1v1 gets solved today

why does it need to be solved today?

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Klick and Drew could have both lived a couple days if Klick didn't have the tracker thing on Drew, so I don't think he needed to do it.

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No it's of course all cool.

... Who poisoner then? I kinda doubt role like "Visits everyone" are fitting with poisoner.

it's you or grandpa

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No it's of course all cool.

... Who poisoner then? I kinda doubt role like "Visits everyone" are fitting with poisoner.

it's you or grandpa

Can you explain your reasoning

POE

could be Pink Ball, but doubt it.

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If I was poisoner, I don't kill Furt, I'll tell ya that much.

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I'm not interested in a No Fade

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thoughts on the Pink Ball targeting mishap Gramps?

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I’m here, I was cooking and just finished eating, I’ll read your claim now

oh god food tell too

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if gramps is scum, no fade likely means a scum got the blood they needed from the day death. if he's town, eh, it's alright of a plan, but there's some things i dont like, like the no fade.

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thoughts on the Pink Ball targeting mishap Gramps?

can u give me a tldr?? i wasnt here for any of that shit -- because if i am being honest. none of that really matters .

the only think i remmebr is like pb saying klick targeting everyone beside me and firebringer?

like how tf am i suppose to make sense of that even if i wanted to scumread or townread klick ???? it wouldnt make sense as either LOL

thats why im saying none of that shit matters because no one is 100 percent on anything. and i just believe we should nc here. we are on even number of players and its a viable play we can get more info on. town doesnt know wtf they are doing but a scum kill atr night will give us way more info than we will ever generate.

He shouldn't have been able to see me get targeted either.

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thoughts on the Pink Ball targeting mishap Gramps?

can u give me a tldr?? i wasnt here for any of that shit -- because if i am being honest. none of that really matters .

the only think i remmebr is like pb saying klick targeting everyone beside me and firebringer?

like how tf am i suppose to make sense of that even if i wanted to scumread or townread klick ???? it wouldnt make sense as either LOL

thats why im saying none of that shit matters because no one is 100 percent on anything. and i just believe we should nc here. we are on even number of players and its a viable play we can get more info on. town doesnt know wtf they are doing but a scum kill atr night will give us way more info than we will ever generate.

He shouldn't have been able to see me get targeted either.

how did he see that

He tracked Alisae, and it was said Alisae tracked everyone except the two Hebichan targeted. They also shouldn't have been able to target me.


@Hebichan - Does your role require both of your targets to be successfully targeted for you to self alien?

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Scumteam is obsessed with keeping Klick alive. That’s the most important thing you need to know. A no kill today is cooperating with the scumteam

Well, he likely is scum

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Scum could have killed Pink Ball who was protected by GIF, Firebringer/GrandPa/Hebi due to Hebi, or they could have targeted me then redirected to one of them, so that's a high amount of no kill possibilities.

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But, as always, mafiascum.net never fails to amaze me on how obsessed everyone is of being right instead of cooperating and winning as a team. Town loses more than scum wins, that’s for sure. So kill me, get the facts straight and fucking cooperate

I win more town games than I lose, your death could get town back on track, that's for sure.

I'm waiting for answers to some questions. We are not in a rush by any means, so I don't know why you're being impatient.

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Like players like Gif/FB/Myself are all here just waiting it out, letting it play, not really picking a side.

So chill, we have plenty of time.

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He's got just as much a say as Pink Ball.

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But, as always, mafiascum.net never fails to amaze me on how obsessed everyone is of being right instead of cooperating and winning as a team. Town loses more than scum wins, that’s for sure. So kill me, get the facts straight and fucking cooperate

I win more town games than I lose, your death could get town back on track, that's for sure.

I'm waiting for answers to some questions. We are not in a rush by any means, so I don't know why you're being impatient.

You’re right, I am impatient and there’s no reason to be. I guess I thought my revelation would be more damning and wouldn’t get so much resistance

Well, it's broken. It almost was, if I hadn't done the Magical Fog, I might've gone with it. I just knew something weird was going on with it.

The fact I didn't immediately go after you for lying should show the strength of it, regardless of your alignment

[Flavor Leaf]

now i want u to claim flavor leaf

Anything targeting me can be redirected, which is why Pink Ball shouldn't have seen Alisae targeting me last night, and one of the reasons there's a hold up.

[Flavor Leaf]

Next time you accuse me of AtEing at least read what’s going on

He's pressure targeting. It's a scum tactic to control waves of momentum. Like sometimes he speaks and it feels so genuine town, but objectively, Grandpa looks hard scum to me.

[Flavor Leaf]

now i want u to claim flavor leaf

Anything targeting me can be redirected, which is why Pink Ball shouldn't have seen Alisae targeting me last night, and one of the reasons there's a hold up.

ok this makes more sense now.

is ther a chance of self redirect?

No. Wording implies it would go somewhere else.

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Next time you accuse me of AtEing at least read what’s going on

He's pressure targeting. It's a scum tactic to control waves of momentum. Like sometimes he speaks and it feels so genuine town, but objectively, Grandpa looks hard scum to me.

bro what

if you're town, it's not true, and you need to be able to see that kind of thing, and look at it from my perspective of what I'm seeing from you.

if you're scum, eh, keep on trying to use discredit tactics, I'm gonna just chop back.

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it's just a tactic, you don't have to be actively choosing to do it. a lot of it comes to instinct. Choosing to do it actively is a whole other level, tbh.

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@Pink - From my pov, you're caught lying. Idk why this keeps getting pushed aside.

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And I'm actively still not overpushing you until I get answers.

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this can be solved later, and probably more accurately. tbh

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@Grandpa - I literally have Pink Ball caught out lying or something janky went on. Can't solve with Pink Ball if Pink Ball is the solve. Does that make sense? It's possible something weird went on, but I'm willing to wait it out a bit, at least til I get some answers.

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@Pink - From my pov, you're caught lying. Idk why this keeps getting pushed aside.

And I'm actively still not overpushing you until I get answers.

I was talking to Granpa, I don’t really care about you anymore ‘cause either you don’t know how your role works or you’re buying time for your OP partner.

has nothing to do with how it should work, but this kind of attitude gonna get you killed first.

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@Grandpa - I literally have Pink Ball caught out lying or something janky went on. Can't solve with Pink Ball if Pink Ball is the solve. Does that make sense? It's possible something weird went on, but I'm willing to wait it out a bit, at least til I get some answers.

can u run me down everythjing that happened in steps . i still cant comrpehend on what rlly happened. tell me who claimed first then claim 2nd and who did what.

I claimed my role first, no actions. Then Pink Ball did their claim a bit later, and then I brought up I couldn't have been targeted that night.

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this day has been up less than 24 hours, we can talk it out, and let it play out for a minute. I'm very open to killing off Ranger and then dealing with this 1v1 tomorrow tbh.

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I think I've seen something similar to this. I think Pink would be able to see Klick targeting me in that action specifically, however, the ability that targeted me still probably went through redirected somewhere else, but since it still technically targeted me, I think it makes sense, meaning Pink is probably telling the truth.

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I think we go Klickwork, then Ranger, then Kawaii, Enchant, Grandpa?

game should probably be well over by then unless Firebringer/GIF pulled a fast one.

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damn, im gonna feel so bad if Klick is town, worse than when I town read Blue and still faded them.

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Also I think FL and hebi were targeted by Klick’s venge visit because it blanket-targeted folks who had potential to kill. Given Drew could multitask without having that on the role PM, it is possible for scum-FL to mist and kill at the same time and scum-hebi can do the thing and kill at the same time.

my thing is how does Hebi's role work with her. Would she block herself? I dont think she'd be able to make kill and do that herself, however, Pink Ball result might show she lied, but idk, i kinda like that role.

Grandpa and your protectives are weird imo together.

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yep.

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good ass game

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also whats the case on ranger?

Drew had no reason to 'buff' them if they were town. He targeted IceDragon and Ranger, IceD was the kill, Ranger ability, meaning he gave Ranger priority.

And Klick actually is the one to have gotten this outed, so in theory, it kind of outed both Drew and Ranger if Klick is scum, and the two of them were too.

VOTE: Ranger

Hebichan being seen is still kind of weird, but I don't really see her lying like that.

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also whats the case on ranger?

Drew had no reason to 'buff' them if they were town. He targeted IceDragon and Ranger, IceD was the kill, Ranger ability, meaning he gave Ranger priority.

And Klick actually is the one to have gotten this outed, so in theory, it kind of outed both Drew and Ranger if Klick is scum, and the two of them were too.

VOTE: Ranger

Hebichan being seen is still kind of weird, but I don't really see her lying like that.

This does however require us to believe Klick's track on Drew to Ranger and IceD.

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also whats the case on ranger?

Drew had no reason to 'buff' them if they were town. He targeted IceDragon and Ranger, IceD was the kill, Ranger ability, meaning he gave Ranger priority.

And Klick actually is the one to have gotten this outed, so in theory, it kind of outed both Drew and Ranger if Klick is scum, and the two of them were too.

VOTE: Ranger

Hebichan being seen is still kind of weird, but I don't really see her lying like that.

As I said I can only see Klick thing as blanket target. If it was a proper visit action you wouldn’t have been targeted and neither would hebi.

Well, a tracker targeting you who targeted me would still get me as a result, however, your target wouldn't effect me, so I think it's right with Pink Ball.
That being said, Hebi logic doesn't make sense, but I can't see her actively lying about it.

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tbh I'm skeptical of how an informed role in this game would work.
You get 2 role pms ya? If one of them is just informed, couldn't you still get the information that comes with being informed while not having that pm?
doesn't make sense to me

that's hilarious and might be damning

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im really tired, when i get back to this game tomorrow im gonna do a deep dive analysis try to seperate from the mechanics play. Not feeling im gonna sort this with that atm. Gonna take a look at pinkie and ali independently, i don't think both are town.

as a professional fence sitter i can see arguments on both town and scum.
grandpa....i haven't had a clue what he has been doing this game and it doesn't help he is like living in his own world with some of his posts but it seems like everything he does is to just throw random shit in the game and i don't see hows its very townie. Ranger ive had a bad feeling about for a long time and her actions/connections to drew and all that just makes me think its the most likely scum flip gonna get.

so yeah ranger/grandpa/(pinkie/alisae) makes more sense to me.
I guess if pinkie and alisae are town then Enchant? Not strong on it.

This is good analysis.

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So it has to mean FL lied about not nexusing N2.

i did not use night 2, i did not lie.

Also, Doctor Drew never dies if I'm scum here. you can make a 3rd party push on me, but yeah, DD is never dead with me on his team even with that tracker stuff.

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I really dont think Hebi is ever scum here.

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Ranger and Grandpa are also both looking town to me on a posts level.

UNVOTE: Ranger

GIF/Pink I can't see as scum right now.

Enchant, Kawaii slot, Klick is probably just the scum team.

Firebringer I'm 50/50.

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Actually kawaii slot is possible scum considering how town the active posters feel in general.

Firebringer could have also submitted kill last night and honestly has a NAI iso overall.

@Hebi - I've been actively defending you why am I possible scum now Makes no sense for me to push you as probably not lying, and take you out of my scum pools. If you look at one of the fade orders I did earlier, you werent even in it.

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flavor leaf are you third party nexus?

i'd be in a way better spot this game if I were.

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@Hebi - it's actually okay if scum shoots you, because we'll still know who didn't make the kill, and your flip gets confirmed.

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flavor leaf are you third party nexus?

i'd be in a way better spot this game if I were.

Did you use your action N2

If you’ve been lying about it for whatever reason, it is time to come clean now

I've already said no like 4 times. For me to be lying about that, you have to think I somehow knew PB got redirected to me + got a FL didn't move result

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@Hebi - it's actually okay if scum shoots you, because we'll still know who didn't make the kill, and your flip gets confirmed.

That's fair.

Are we assuming enchant is 3p or scum...and do we think it's 4 scum? Cause I dint think I have enough scumreads us why I'm hesitant with my reads.

I think Enchant's more likely groupscum if scum, personally, but Klick could be scum who thinks/knows Enchant is 3rd party, so it's possible. I think there are 3 scum left regardless, so like 2 groupscum + 1 3rd party if there is a 3rd party.

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Gonna check out the final 3 wagons. I think there are some mid vote counts that could be juicy, but gotta setup a base first for me to do random vote counts later with these as check points.

Imaginality

(9) [Eliminated]: Firebringer,

Flavor Leaf

,

Doctor Drew

, hebichan, GuyInFreezer, Ranger, Klickwork,

BlueSnakelet

, GrandpaMo

BlueSnakelet

(4):

IceDragon70

, Pink Ball, KawaiiKame,

furtiveglance

Firebringer (1):

imaginality

KawaiiKame (1):

Black

Flavor Leaf

(1): Enchant


Not Voting (1):

Kokichi Oma

I don't think Imaginality was a high enough target here to warrant all scum being on this. Going with the idea of 4 scum,I think there is at least 1 more scum on here, probably 2. There is likely 1 scum off the wagon within Pink Ball/Enchant/Kawaii. I don't think PB is scum.

BlueSnakelet

(8) [Elimination]: Ranger, Pink Ball, GuyInFreezer,

IceDragon70

, Firebringer,

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,

Doctor Drew

, Klickwork
Firebringer (1): Enchant


Not Voting (5):

furtiveglance

, KawaiiKame, hebichan,

BlueSnakelet

, GrandpaMo

Annoyingly this has been a time I went against my own read, and voted Blue despite feeling he was town. Same thing here, I do think at least 1 more scum was on this wagon, but there could be 2 off considering it was a wagon that was likely going through. Kawaii and Enchant not looking good.

Doctor Drew

(7)[Elimination]: Ranger,

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, hebichan, Klickwork, Enchant, Pink Ball, GrandpaMo
Klickwork (1):

Doctor Drew

Not Voting (4):

furtiveglance

, Firebringer, GuyInFreezer, KawaiiKame

Scum bussed here. It's obvious. Probably 2 scum even.Not impossible all 3, but normally scum dont want to all be on the same wagon like that, so I wanna think one stayed off. Again not good for Kawaii slot, but they siteflaked if I recall correctly.

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Shoot: Enchant

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ranger, Klick, and myself are the 3 that are on all 3 wagons, so that implies we aren't a scum team together, which is kinda nice.

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Enchant's scum for being off of the 2 misfade wagons, but hopping on Drew for a bus cred tbh.

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Everytime I read Ranger's posts, I get townie vibes, but everytime I think logically, I see them as scum.

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I think that my paranoia comes from you, Klick and Fire being in every town wagon together if Ranger is town

It's fair. Klick-Fire-Flavor trio is clearly not pure.

However, if I may self-meta towards you, someone who knows me...I'm never on all these 3 wagons here if I'm scum. There also wasn't nearly as much resistance/back and forth/claims coming out.

Doctor Drew also just doesn't die on my watch as a partner.

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where the hell did my text go.

oh it went isnide

sorry!!

here is what i said

"Gif and Firebringer are the only ones that have been wrong this whole entire game which is funny.

If we are assuming third wagon was a bus, Pink Ball doesn't look good imo"

You called me out earlier for saying that. Because I agree, I just don't think he's scum here.

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Gut says Klick's always scum here.

It explains the game a lot if I raised their arms up, and forced them to warlock me, and then just cozied in the pocket.

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D1 and D2 game literally ended in days while I was sleeping so

I think VCA actually helps both you and Firebringer. You moreso than Firebringer, but scum don't like to have that type of trail.

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I think that my paranoia comes from you, Klick and Fire being in every town wagon together if Ranger is town

It's fair. Klick-Fire-Flavor trio is clearly not pure.

However, if I may self-meta towards you, someone who knows me...I'm never on all these 3 wagons here if I'm scum. There also wasn't nearly as much resistance/back and forth/claims coming out.

Doctor Drew also just doesn't die on my watch as a partner.

I’m not really scumreading you nor want to scumread you, but you’re looking scum via PoE rather than by play. This is the towniest game I’ve seen from you and I don’t know what that means for you alignmentwise

That's fair.

I'm always able to be in a POE.

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There's like 5 people to within before that and in theory we just win before that comes up.

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I’m not calling you scum my dude, I’m saying that I don’t look bad for my vote on D3.

you dont look bad bad from it, but without looking at end of day, it isn't great. I called that out earlier this day phase.

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That's legit question because i don't understand

you just dont care to collaborate, so we don't care to collaborate anymore.

[Flavor Leaf]

That's legit question because i don't understand

you just dont care to collaborate, so we don't care to collaborate anymore.

Imagine collaborating with ppl who threaten

best way to deal with them

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Klick, Firebringer, Kawaii, Enchant, Ranger contain all the scum.

Klick is my only lock scum here right now.

Enchant, Idk, I think they end up being town.

Kawaii is a hard POE.

Ranger got buffed

FB could have made kill last night.

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Not in my case because i don't give a fuck

well why should people give a fuck about collaborating with you ever then?

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is it bad that i wanna vote kawaii?

I get it, but it's kind of not necessarily the priority vote unless we literally can't decide. Kawaii slot ain't slipping through the cracks, i'd rather get a different slot.

But I'd go any of the people in my pool

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My PoE got too big. I’m willing to consider Grandpa’s strategy

Well, narrow it.

Let's kill Klick.

They gave up, which is kind of a demoralized state from them, which generally indicates scumthem.

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VOTE: Klick

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Oh by the way i never agreed to massclaim it's some bunch of people decided and started pressureing others in it, like hell.

nobody cares

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Oh by the way i never agreed to massclaim it's some bunch of people decided and started pressureing others in it, like hell.

nobody cares

ruder than i meant it to be.

really just like it's past, you've said it. completely over it and moving on. If you wanna hold pieces of the puzzle, fine. but it's a social mark you will be taking this game.

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it's not you trolling, it's you making a poor social decision that in time, we'll see if it was just you being egocentric or have reason.

Your level of play will be analyzed thereafter.

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as long as they dont claim right before they get rung up, because ill fade them even if they flip Innocent Child doing that

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i like when firebringer posts tbh.

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Klick/Ranger/Drew gambiting sits odd with me, though

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Ranger and Grandpa are also both looking town to me on a posts level.

UNVOTE: Ranger

GIF/Pink I can't see as scum right now.

Enchant, Kawaii slot, Klick is probably just the scum team.

Firebringer I'm 50/50.

Would like u to go into this on how those two are town from a post level.

Grandpa just talking and flip flopping in a townie like way.

I've flipped on Ranger back to likely scum, however, the large mech talk stuff and their tone is townie, but that doesn't make them town.

Thoughts on Klick?

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if the Kawaii slot gets replaced, and the game immediately shifts, it's scum indicative, imo

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VOTE: Ranger

Yeah, it's the right play. If Ranger flips scum, I really can't see Klick as scum with that Drew/Ranger/Klick dynamic.

Ranger/Kawaii/Enchant?

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Gut says Klick's always scum here.

It explains the game a lot if I raised their arms up, and forced them to warlock me, and then just cozied in the pocket.

What does this even mean??????

means im flip flop waffling back and forth every other second

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at least yall know im just saying whatever the heck comes out of my mind without filter

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Why are y’all so hellbent on ending the day so early

Votes off please

Use hurt or something

I'd just rather see who acts on it with momentum tbh.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why are y’all so hellbent on ending the day so early

Votes off please

Use hurt or something

I'd just rather see who acts on it with momentum tbh.

Last thing I want to see is accidentally reaching E-1 and someone like Mo lolhammering because he came up with some “game-breaking strategy”

Need a lot more votes for that to happen

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Also there are much worse things than Ranger getting lolhammered

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lol don't block me you will regret it

No we wont.

Idc if you have the strongest ability of all time.

No we wont.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm okay not letting Hebichan use the ability of she doesnt have the blood. She'll have it tomorrow night if we need to use it regardless, but i think it's fair to not fully trust her, even though I have a hard time seeing her lying here.

[Flavor Leaf]

I would hammer at e-1at any point to grunted my block cause I dont want scum demons hammering.

So let's discuss who I should block first.

i still dont feel comfortable with u hammering

I WANT A HUMAN TO HAMMER PLS

From my pov having a three person jail is the only way to gamesolve and no one else has presented a good explanation for the no kill last night.

If you wake up tomorrow and I lied just flip me.

I need one confirmation from klick though. Us your target from last night unblockable?

only way to do it on a mech level, but mech is abusable.

I'd rather do it on a reads/analysis level.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm okay not letting Hebichan use the ability of she doesnt have the blood. She'll have it tomorrow night if we need to use it regardless, but i think it's fair to not fully trust her, even though I have a hard time seeing her lying here.

I am not okay with this because if we fuck up today tomorrow is gonna be potential MeLo or even ELo. If we want to prevent a kill it’s gonna have to be tonight so we can earn a mislim and play it safe.

we just gotta be good. if hebi's scum, this is super abusable.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t understand this notion of “hebi can go/not use ability”

hebi’s role is confirmed for Pete’s sake, with only thing not confirmed is whether they also self-target or not. It still means hebi’s role can tie two people up.

it is not confirmed.

[Flavor Leaf]

we have too been good. we got scum last day phase. town misfades on first 2 days of game is always fine.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hebi claimed to target self, Fire, and Mo and say that they can’t be targeted nor make action
PB tracked Klick see Klick visited everyone except Fire and Mo.

It is definitely confirmed.

Not to be exactly as she says it is, no.

[Flavor Leaf]

She could easily be lying about the 3rd one, and only has 2.

[Flavor Leaf]

dont throw around that confirmed word when there's multiple leaks.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like if Hebi is scum doing that, it's so abusable too. Acting like that's the only option to go is just incorrect.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think it's much safer to have her not use her ability tonight.

[Flavor Leaf]

if we have to leave Hebi alive then GiF should be docing PB
Grandpa on GiF

yeah, i think we talked about this once before a while back, but this is probably best.

Hebichan doesn't even need to use her ability here.

[Flavor Leaf]

i just think relying on Hebi being town is a dangerous move, i'd rather just avoid the circular discussion with her abilities tomorrow.

[Flavor Leaf]

2 deaths night 1

[Flavor Leaf]

oh right, he shouldnt need hammer.

[Flavor Leaf]

yeah, they should have 3 blood, and get 4 off the death today. they shouldnt need hammer.

[Flavor Leaf]

idk how much blood they need to use, but if they could use Night 2, they should be able to use tonight without hammer no matter what it costs.

Is that a lowkey Kawaii slip?

[Flavor Leaf]

something that doesnt add up is blood costs with Hebi role then blood cost with Kawaii role for a significantly weaker version of the role.

[Flavor Leaf]

So a scum team member used Kawaii's ability for them, costing 2 blood, and then they got +1'd for the death at day start.

Or scum has a blood draining move, and drained Kawaii even though they claimed they would jail.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hebi and Enchant scum team?

[Flavor Leaf]

Ah, Ranger scum claiming and trying to make it look like they're trying to distant from me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hebi claimed to target self, Fire, and Mo and say that they can’t be targeted nor make action
PB tracked Klick see Klick visited everyone except Fire and Mo.

It is definitely confirmed.

wait question does commute take place before hebis action on me?

yeah, it should. Thats commuter's whole point.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hebi and Enchant scum team?

This makes zero sense. Enchant is my second top elim target today, unless you think I'm bussing.

i think it makes more than zero sense, come on.

Even if you're town, you should think it's at least semi possible for people to see that as a possibility.

2nd elim target isn't really much, to be fair

[Flavor Leaf]

read that big long post.

Only thing said about me is 'i think FL is responsible for all the night action shenanigans'

i dont really think there's that many night action shenanigans that that makes sense with besides that one scenario that GIF brought up.

Odd thing to have as their biggest scum read apparently, which I haven't seen at all with them before.

[Flavor Leaf]

it's a forced read

[Flavor Leaf]

Odd thing to have as their biggest scum read apparently, which I haven't seen at all with them before.

Well if Ranger is town you're kinda confirmed scum to her pov.

i dont see it, but i dont think she's town anyways

[Flavor Leaf]

at this point, idc if enchant claims.

If it's a dumb weak role, im tunneling them, so they shouldnt claim if it's pointless.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why are you selfvoting if you think I'm a wolf

Cause no one else trusts me either, except ranger, who is like soft scum. Flavorless grandpa. Fb and Pink are all hedging on me being scum at this point and if they don't let me hammer I'm basically a VT anyhow

who cares if they trust you

[Flavor Leaf]

If ranger flips scum... then we got ourselves a scum and PB is safe from being redirected?
If ranger flips town it confirmed FL as scum because it means he lied about N2 action.

how?!?!?!!?!? this is pissing me off.

[Flavor Leaf]

let's take out ranger. im done with this day phase.

if ranger is town, we lose, because it means GIF probs scum with that if ranger is town fl scum nonsense

[Flavor Leaf]

who cares about her final solve, she already posted her reads list

[Flavor Leaf]

GiF caught me once because he fakeclaimed he is good at fakeclaiming

GIF ignoring the idea of other unclaimed scum roles messing with stuff is hardcore just GIF pre-flip associating.

[Flavor Leaf]

possible misfade setup, which is only thing giving me pause on rangerscum right now really.

[Flavor Leaf]

it sets them up perfectly because now they probably will both get townread. or they ranger just buses blue and claims what i said earlier.

Ranger was already being townread and Blue was already being widely scumread.
They have 0 reason to do this, even considering WIFOM. Risk is way too big (some town accidentally catch Ranger in a lie in random PR action) for the reward (Blue lim that could've naturally happened regardless of Ranger's involvement).

VOTE: BlueSnake

I'm kinda getting cold feet but if you would be my guiding light, my lord and savior Pink Ball

GIF was pushing gamefic that Ranger was being town read, and Blue scum read. They voted Blue later on.

I can see GIF possibly playing up a pocket attempt to Pink Ball as early as Day 2 here.

[Flavor Leaf]

GiF caught me once because he fakeclaimed he is good at fakeclaiming

GIF ignoring the idea of other unclaimed scum roles messing with stuff is hardcore just GIF pre-flip associating.

Then enlighten me. If you can explain me a scenario of poison on furtive without involvement of your role I'm willing to science with it.

uhm,...the poisoner targets furt?

[Flavor Leaf]

You chose the most convuluted scenario i could think of to get Furt gets poisoned when a poisoner just targeting furt is right there.

[Flavor Leaf]

like that's a completely setup tinfoil scenario you setup and are pushing as it has to be this if.

[Flavor Leaf]

uhm,...the poisoner targets furt?

Do you really expect there to be two poisoners with exactly same modifier? Because Ice sure didn't target furt.

It's confirmed that it's a different poisoner than Ice already because it required them stay alive.

[Flavor Leaf]

like it is already confirmed there are 2 poisoners because Furt died.

Unless you think Furt was the scum Night kill to make us think he died from poison, but idk if flavor of kill changes, but if you dont believe something like that happened, it's automatically confirmed there is another poisoner.

Furt wouldnt have died if Ice was his poisoner because of how the role works.

Your mech is wrong.

[Flavor Leaf]

furtiveglance died of poison. He was

Town Doma - Upper 2 Demon

Spoiler:

Demon

Doma - Upper 2 Demon

Blood Demon Art - Wilted Hanging Garden [4 Blood]: Target two other players and give them Lotuses. They will be notified of receiving these lotuses and about who is the other player who received the lotus. If one of the two slots doesn't die in the next day phase, both will die at end of that day phase (in addition to normal eliminations)

Kyojuro Rengoku - The Flame Hashira (Human) was discarded.

it did say he died of poison. This means there is confirmed another poisoner out there.

I thought this was already a given. You're operating under the assumption that wasn't possible when it's confirmed there is.

[Flavor Leaf]

Your mech is wrong.

i've proven their mech is wrong already. now is it townGif legit messing it up, ScumGif messing it up, or ScumGif purposefully misrepping the situation, no clue. i wanna give them the benefit of the doubt, but yeah

[Flavor Leaf]

So now, please explain to me before we end day, GIF, why you think Ranger town means Flavor Scum?

This might be entirely moot because Ranger could just be scum, but I want to hear how you explain it with the confirmation that there is another poisoner confirmed.

[Flavor Leaf]

because that line of thinking annoys me because people were already semi setting up that Ranger/FL were scum/scum, so tomorrow, it's gonna be setup around me regardless of what Ranger flips.

[Flavor Leaf]

GIF spent so much time worrying about Poisoner yesterDay, only to stop caring about it here, and then get the mech wrong?

No. GIF is scum here. The Poisoner talk by them yesterday was a distraction to possibly save Doctor Drew. They were constantly trying to get us to focus our attention elsewhere.

On top of that, Enchant, if you would please confirm or deny the information you stated you received about poisoner being human. I have a theory if it's true, but regardless, I believe GIF is likely turning out to be scum here.

Spoiler:

Anyway I reeeeeally don’t believe there is going to be a second redirector with a town bus driver flip and confirmed redirector. So Drew gotta go today.

We also prob should massclaim because if poisoner is still alive and is scum then shit could go south very fast, even with 1v1 set up in place.

Although I think we should try to massclaim and find this poisoner first if possible because if Klick is scum, this means they are most likely feeling very confident to endgame on mislim today.

I thought furtive confirmed that the poisoner is alive

I thought furtive confirmed that the poisoner is alive

Yes my poisoner is alive.

Actually now that I look at it, poisoner prob isn’t alive and the message we got at day start is just an action copypasta

Can someone unvote until this poisoner thing is dealt with first

I don’t want another lolquickdayend while I’m sleeping for third time in a row

Y’all slow down with the voting

@Mod: Hypothetically if IceDragon’s role poisoned somebody and died, what would the announcement at the start of the day look like?

That skill has a publicly announced effect. The player and everyone else would be notified that the target was poisoned and that it no longer affects them as the poisoner is dead.

Y’all I think we need to find the poisoner first if possible

Am I the only one who is scared of scum poisoner meaning extra deaths?

Ranger

Town poisoner died.
Furtive is poisoned but town poisoner didn’t do it.
Nobody claimed poisoning furtive.

Does that not give any red flag to you

Idk flavor so

I dunno if poisoner is scum and is ungated then we have until D4 to get rid of it or we just straight up lose, considering 4 scum

I actually like it, better than 2 Vigilantes imo

How about a town half-vig, town poisoner, and town poisoner? Because we had a half vig who got quicklimmed Day 2.

[Flavor Leaf]

So now, please explain to me before we end day, GIF, why you think Ranger town means Flavor Scum?

This might be entirely moot because Ranger could just be scum, but I want to hear how you explain it with the confirmation that there is another poisoner confirmed.

Actually Ranger/You part has nothing to do with poisoner. It is all moot if Ranger is scum.

Drew targeted Ranger N2, according to Klick's track. I believe that much. Scum clearly wouldn't haste a town redirector. Therefore, the only other explanation is that it got bounced off by the another source of redirection, which is yours. And why would Drew target you?

@Everyone - You want to know why this makes GIF scum?

[Flavor Leaf]

can this day end please

PLEASE END THIS DAY

No, slow it down.

New juicy stuff, found a huge GIF contradiction.

[Flavor Leaf]

Alisae, think about what GIF was doing earlier in regards to Pink Ball and how the tracker interacted with my role.

It's the same exact thing, but with me, they're using the opposite logic.

If GIF is arguing for Drew caught tracked to Ranger, they should be also fighting on the side of logic for Pink Ball's track not being able to see me, and instead, seeing it target elsewhere.

[Flavor Leaf]

Alisae tracking Drew who would have targeted me, but got redirected, would still see Drew target me, not Ranger.

Exactly what happened with Pink Ball tracking Klickwork on a night I actually used my Magic Fog. It has an ability name, but the Magical fog is part of the description of the ability name, just to get that out there.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like the only source of human-poison can only be via your nexus or me. But I'm not a poisoner and it can be easily confirmed if it really needs to be checked.

WHY COULDNT THE POISONER JUST TARGET FURT

[Flavor Leaf]

they should be also fighting on the side of logic for Pink Ball's track not being able to see me

Anyway I was told that tracker wouldn't see nexus visiting anyone even if the nexus manages to redirect someone.

I was told that in a Player A tracks Player B. Player B targets Me with my ability. The ability gets redirected. But Player A still saw them target me, so Player A gets Player B targeted Flavor Leaf, which is exactly what happened with Pink Ball.

You are using logic that goes AGAINST this fact when you push that other narrative.

[Flavor Leaf]

It would also redirect kills if a kill came at me, I made sure to find out about that.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Pink Ball - do you understand what I'm saying and how GIF is using 2 opposite sets of logic for the 2 different nights when they should be the exact same thing?

[Flavor Leaf]

So um
who is the poisoner?

It's GIF

[Flavor Leaf]

GIF-Enchant-Kawaii is a possible solve.

GIF also made a comment when I Firebringer/Klick/Myself were in a strong town block, something like 'I was worried this would happen, all the older players cliquing up'. or something to that extent. It was a discredit attempt to break us up, but not a hard aggression.

[Flavor Leaf]

UNVOTE: Ranger

Before day ends, if we go Ranger, I need it to be established why GIF's logic is contradicting and not factual.

[Flavor Leaf]

Alisae tracking Drew who would have targeted me, but got redirected, would still see Drew target me, not Ranger.

Copy
Hide
Bus Drive
Block
Redirect
Protect
Miscellaneous
Kill
Recruit
Inspect <- Track

No, no, no. Don't just quote this without explaining.

[Flavor Leaf]

Player A tracks Player B. Player B targets Me with my ability. The ability gets redirected. But Player A still saw them target me, so Player A gets Player B targeted Flavor Leaf, which is exactly what happened with Pink Ball.

Night 4

Player A (Pink Ball) tracks Player B (Klickwork). Klickwork's role targets everyone. Pink ball saw everyone, but Grandpa and Firebringer. Let's minimize and stick with the strict, "Pink Ball saw Klickwork target Flavor Leaf".

Night 2 GIF Narrative

Player A (Klickwork) tracks Player B (Doctor Drew). Drew made kill and used ability presumed. Klickwork saw Ranger and IceDragon.

Using this same logic, it would have been "Klickwork saw Drew target Flavor Leaf and Ice Dragon".


___

Now resolution wise, in that scenario, Drew targeting me would be seen, but the action wouldn't take place on me. It would take place on wherever it got redirected to.

GIF's scenario also would require scum Drew and Scum Flavor to do that basically without a point, and just give a random modifier outthere. No way of it being known that they would be tracked.

If they did know, they wouldn't have made the kill because that's just dumb.

In theory, had I killed Klickwork that night, the Vengekill would have came back to me, then redirected randomly.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like the only source of human-poison can only be via your nexus or me. But I'm not a poisoner and it can be easily confirmed if it really needs to be checked.

WHY COULDNT THE POISONER JUST TARGET FURT

Because I find it hard to believe that there are two poisoners with exactly the same modifier? Breathing buffer I can maybe see it being duplicate. But poisoner? LOUD poisoners?

GIF-Enchant-Kawaii is a possible solve.

GIF also made a comment when I Firebringer/Klick/Myself were in a strong town block, something like 'I was worried this would happen, all the older players cliquing up'. or something to that extent. It was a discredit attempt to break us up, but not a hard aggression.

I'd bet something that I never said that, but I'm not allowed to bet anything via site rule. Because I never really mentioned you until this day. Also, I'm older player than all three of you.

It's literally confirmed.

Poisoner has to be alive for the death to go through, and Ice died.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like the only source of human-poison can only be via your nexus or me. But I'm not a poisoner and it can be easily confirmed if it really needs to be checked.

WHY COULDNT THE POISONER JUST TARGET FURT

Because I find it hard to believe that there are two poisoners with exactly the same modifier? Breathing buffer I can maybe see it being duplicate. But poisoner? LOUD poisoners?

GIF-Enchant-Kawaii is a possible solve.

GIF also made a comment when I Firebringer/Klick/Myself were in a strong town block, something like 'I was worried this would happen, all the older players cliquing up'. or something to that extent. It was a discredit attempt to break us up, but not a hard aggression.

I'd bet something that I never said that, but I'm not allowed to bet anything via site rule. Because I never really mentioned you until this day. Also, I'm older player than all three of you.

I started in 2014, so yes, that is true, but you aren't that much older than me here. Unless you have older accounts, but still.

[Flavor Leaf]

@GIF - Reread IceDragons role and see that if Ice was the only poisoner, Furt would have been healed from his poison and not died.

It is confirmed there is another poisoner with Furt's death flavor.

[Flavor Leaf]

You know I had a feeling that this is quickly becoming a typical old gen vs new gen, so I checked Imaginality’s join date.

And everything made sense.

this is the post from my memory, i was paraphrasing, and it just happened when Klick/FB/Myself were all clicking.

[Flavor Leaf]

Night 4

Player A (Pink Ball) tracks Player B (Klickwork). Klickwork's role targets everyone. Pink ball saw everyone, but Grandpa and Firebringer. Let's minimize and stick with the strict, "Pink Ball saw Klickwork target Flavor Leaf".

Night 2 GIF Narrative

Player A (Klickwork) tracks Player B (Doctor Drew). Drew made kill and used ability presumed. Klickwork saw Ranger and IceDragon.

Using this same logic, it would have been "Klickwork saw Drew target Flavor Leaf and Ice Dragon".

GIF is pushing that the second one makes sense even thought Ranger and IceD were seen not me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Anyway I'm conceding the whole shenanigan about FL redirecting poison.
I got a confirmation that if ID's poison is redirected by human nexus it would count as blood art.

So 'TownRanger does not = ScumFlavor' Is the concession acceptance?

Like, I'm fine if you scum read me after a town ranger flip, just that confirmed ness of it all had to be shut down.

I even think Ranger's probs scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

we keep going back in circles. can we just stop. my head hurts

Look at my night action posts, and once you get it get it, we can stop.

I think it's super important, and I understand it's hard to get.

[Flavor Leaf]

PB can just track GiF

I'm good with this.

GIF should always be targeting PB tonight too with a doctor.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Hebichan - I have kind of a soul read on you and Grandpa. Grandpa and I have been through the thick of it.

You, idk, you pocket me with Snivy, and I really don't see you lying here. There's a chance Pink Ball is power scumming it, which in that scenario, Pink Ball/GIF scum team sucks here, but I think Pink Ball moving away from the 1v1 with Klick is townie ish.


@Grandpa - I may change a lot, but at least you know I'm playing off the tip of my hat and not prepping/planning anything. If you ever see scumMe, sometimes I actively have to try to not be so concise and perfect with my reads.

[Flavor Leaf]

we keep going back in circles. can we just stop. my head hurts

Look at my night action posts, and once you get it get it, we can stop.

I think it's super important, and I understand it's hard to get.

isnt a scum kill now more beneficial? wouldnt it be beneficial to see scum kill any of us here? if scum kills anyone here, scum is bound to be found

i think you or me die tonight tbh

[Flavor Leaf]

yo FL where at with ur solve atm
cause i feel if Grandpa is town here i think im being pocketed somewhere

GIF or Ranger, probs not both, and at least one of Enchant/Kawaii.

Pink, Hebi, Fire, and Klick are possible for a straggler, but I honestly don't know how I'd even rank that because I get townie vibes from everyone of you, but can make a scum case for each as well, but vibe wise/tone wise, along with interacting with, I don't get scum vibes.

Grandpa just coming off as obv town at times to me, and I don't really see the purpose of him playing the way he is as scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Angry Pink Ball is a funny Pink Ball.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Hebichan - My thing with Pink Ball actually makes sense for tracker, but it's not impossible they got lucky.

Your discrepancy makes sense for you to scum read Pink Ball.

Pink Ball/Gif is one of my tinfoil teams right now, and personally, I don't know how to deal with that team here, so I'm kind of just hoping it isn't them.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Hebichan - I have kind of a soul read on you and Grandpa. Grandpa and I have been through the thick of it.

You, idk, you pocket me with Snivy, and I really don't see you lying here. There's a chance Pink Ball is power scumming it, which in that scenario, Pink Ball/GIF scum team sucks here, but I think Pink Ball moving away from the 1v1 with Klick is townie ish.


@Grandpa - I may change a lot, but at least you know I'm playing off the tip of my hat and not prepping/planning anything. If you ever see scumMe, sometimes I actively have to try to not be so concise and perfect with my reads.

@Hebichan - I already answered here, btw.

[Flavor Leaf]

also, GIF been implying I claimed human over and over.

I never claimed human/demon yet.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL changes reads every like 5 pages

this is a benefit as the game goes on. i generally win the games this happens in because it means I'm going over every single possibility simultaneously in my head, and i get to come back and see where im feeling.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m not announcing who I’m going to track end of story

Noting that this is happening after we could use you to confirm GIF targeting you.

[Flavor Leaf]

And how on earth can I find the fucking poisoner if I announce who I’m tracking in the first place??????????

you target them?

AND THEY DONT ACT??? Stop playing dumb

What do you mean they don't act?

You’re doing this on purpose.

I announce who I’m going to track -> if I announce I’m tracking the poisoner, the poisoner doesn’t poison that night -> I get no result

You don't see value in stopping the poisoner from acting because you're threatening a track on them?

personally, i dont care at all about finding poisoner. Like 85% sure it's GIF.

Pink Ball tracking GIF to himself and only himself seems like the right play, but PB withholding is making me feel Pink Ball/GIF are scum together.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm starting to side with Hebichan more and more

[Flavor Leaf]

proof that they're a doctor is where?

[Flavor Leaf]

If GIF is poisoner, you won't see them target you because they can't without outing themselves. Think bigger.

[Flavor Leaf]

proof that they're a doctor is where?

There’s no proof, I believe him because I’m townreading them. I’m not tracking a townread that claimed being a doctor

I have already made my Pink Ball pocketed case, so if you're town, I understand where you're coming from.

I just dont agree that GIF should be town read right now.

[Flavor Leaf]

proof that they're a doctor is where?

There’s no proof, I believe him because I’m townreading them. I’m not tracking a townread that claimed being a doctor

Occam's razor the doctor is fake and I blocked the night kill.

On top of this, Grandpa also had a doctor and a commute.

[Flavor Leaf]

Explain me like I’m a five year old what’s the benefit of tracking GIF if the rethoric that’s being pushed is that we are both scum. It won’t confirm anything for anyone, only for me.

You're thinking one dimensionally here.

I've been saying GIF likely scum for a minute now, the pairing of you two is tinfoil.

If GIF is not doctor, and you track them, they have to use whatever real ability they have on you if they are not a doctor.

What if they can't act? Then you will get 'GIF did not go anywhere' which is an instant hard guilty.

You targeting GIF, living, and you get the result 'GIF targeted you.' is confirming GIF has a role that can target, and keeps you alive until tomorrow, effectively giving you a free doc in that situation, and letting you do what you want to do tonight tomorrow night.

Think bigger.

[Flavor Leaf]

If GIF is poisoner, you won't see them target you because they can't without outing themselves. Think bigger.

I didn’t consider this scenario, but I still think it’s very unlikely. Do you really want to follow this path instead of letting me track whoever I think could be making the nightkill?

I think it's probably the best play. If you get any result besides GIF targeted you, it's a hard guilty. If you die, GIF is hard guiltied.

This also requires GIF to specifically target you, and if they're town, that shouldn't be a problem, so it can get a possible clear on GIF.


I think this only makes sense IF Ranger flips town. If Ranger flips scum, then idk, I can trust GIF more because it's proven to me at least that they werent trying to setup a misfade chain on Ranger and Me.

[Flavor Leaf]

What you aren’t considering is that both players who are trying to leash my target are players I’m not townreading forcing me to target my biggest townread

it's also insane for scum to ask that.

But if Ranger flips scum, I'd say go anywhere you want. If Ranger flips town, GIF for sure.

[Flavor Leaf]

I have an unclaimed ability, by the way. I'll claim it tomorrow. It's not super special by any means, but might use tonight.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m about to fan FL’s paranoia and crank it up to eleven.

Watch this.

How come everyone listens to you, but not me?

Charisma

[Flavor Leaf]

@Kawaii - don't jail GIF.

There, now they surely won't.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m about to fan FL’s paranoia and crank it up to eleven.

Watch this.

How come everyone listens to you, but not me?

Charisma

I have Charisma? That shit is my dump stat.

someone with 10 years of experience lowest stat still higher than some other's highest stat.

[Flavor Leaf]

i can hammer and start to make yall super paranoid about scumLEaf

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Ranger

[Flavor Leaf]

Congrats scum team. Killer gambit with Alisae/Drew. I felt the Ranger/Furt/Blue town triangle, and I still didnt trust my reads. Good kill on me Night 4, I was about to come in hot on Grandpa.

[Flavor Leaf]

THAT GAMBIT WAS SO POINTLESS AND BLEW UP IN MY FACE

those are the best kind.

[Flavor Leaf]

"Klick, Firebringer, Grandpa is a lightweight possible scum team. Enchant is town or last scum?

I think Hebichan is town. I honestly started to town read Kawaii, and after Ranger town flip, GIF is town.

Klick is conf scum at this point, though."

posted this in dead thread like 5 minutes after I was killed. Good job killing me.

I waffled on the Firebringer read in the dead thread after, but Klick and Grandpa I was coming for.

[Flavor Leaf]

Great game all around. Thanks, FA.

[Flavor Leaf]

Congrats scum team. Killer gambit with Alisae/Drew. I felt the Ranger/Furt/Blue town triangle, and I still didnt trust my reads. Good kill on me Night 4, I was about to come in hot on Grandpa.

Didn't submit a kill on you

Damn, how'd I die? Redirect?

[Flavor Leaf]

Firebringer's post pinged me when he asked me about my read on Grandpa.

But then Night 4 came in and I was like, whoever helped Drew shake me down after I called Ranger/Blue/Furt all town is scum, so I was ready to come for Grandpa/Klick today.

Proud I was successfully town reading Hebichan, though. She felt obv town imo.


I got a big buzz from this game for sure.

Well played scum team.

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I still don't fully understand what was happening mech wise this game, not gonna lie

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You gotta build the credibility throughout the game for people to listen and sheep you.

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FL the next time the Twins (MathBlade + Titus) come out of their way to visit me to play board games do you wanna know about it? Would love to meet up with ya again

Hit me up for sure! Can’t promise I can make it, been a hectic time period for me lately (in a good way), but always love hanging out with the Scummers.

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Can’t kill off those dreamy eyes.

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I’m nodding a Large Theme BooneyToonz game if anyone’s interested. Know it’s a busy time with the Team Mafia, but wanted to get a modded game in for sure.

It’ll be cheesy pirate themed.