TM 2023 | Open: PYP S_TM | Endgame

[Lady Lambdadelta]

my problem is "why didn't Ythan die?" and my answer was THIS. Today. People lining up for using it as WIFOM, right?

Because I was stupid and shot Ceph instead of holstering, our numbers are fucky. We lost a miselim. So this is the taking advantage of that.

[Alisae]

W/ Datisi I feel like it could be alignment indicative.
With everyone else I don't think it is. I think Bella is waiting to talk to Mena I think? I'll also probably want to talk to them whenever I actually get a chance.
JJH is behind and is probably reading. We're using all of deadline so just let him read it's fine, if he doesn't get any insights we kill him ez

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i'd be happily doing that if i wasn't literally having to run off to do another medical proceedure or self care thing every hour or so while trying to mix free time activities into it

i'm not at 100

can you make an attempt to do so before telling me "ya we're doing jjh"
if you don't make an attempt to do so and just tell me to vote jjh I am going to post yellow and then get paranoid about it being you ythan and mith

yes and then Mith is going to shoot you in the face tonight for antagonizing him because you didn't onboard with us and tried to swing it the other direction and if you're town that really IS game over.

I've been giving you my ear on EVERYTHING. I don't have to do this.

do you notice we're te ONLY PEOPLE TALKING besides Mith? Why is mith out here arguing with you? It's like the town went fucking dead on purpose, prod dodging because one of two things is true

1) you're scum and trying to sway me
or
2) you're town and ONE OF US IS WRONG and if they can let us come to the wrong conclusion on our own they don't need to do SHIT about it.

PEOPLE ARE ON VLA!!!
JJH IS BEHIND, HASN'T READ
MENA HAS SPURTS OF ACTIVITY AND THIS IS IN LINE WITH THAT
Datisi's presence fell off a cliff, sure
Ythan has been doing what they have been doing since Days 1 and 2.
Bella shows up sometimes.

lmao there's literally nothing happening besides us talking when we get chances to talk. I'm just trying to make use of the time.

You are technically correct, you don't have to do this, but aren't you the person who said that you didn't know? Aren't you the person who said to leave it to the future people? Ok, so if you didn't know, wouldn't you want to be asked the questions to figure it out?

I feel like I know two.

Future people is "once I'm dead I probably will still leave one scum alive and that's not my problem to handle."

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ali, go read every time Datisi speaks about Gimli.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm just gonna keep sayign it. They're partnered. Go read every time Dats speaks about Gimli D1

[Lady Lambdadelta]

like if we agree about Datisi scum, we should look for scum in Datisi's ISO.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

right? That just makes sense

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I've got like 20 links to posts and screenshots of posts from Petapan in my team thread here

all of them point towards a Datisi-Gimli scum pairing.

[Alisae]

show me the interactions between those slots that indicate that, cause Ythan/Mith I'm just not seeing it

I mean it hardly exists because like Ythan is getting away with being a non-participant. Hard to find those associations when you hardly have to bring up the slot.

The biggest red flag to me is this

Datisi - "i still want to absolutely kill imaginality, but this kind of play from ythan is fucking unacceptable" (No. We lim the obvious scum, and we sort out Ythan tomorrow. I agree her play is unacceptable, and if she's town doing this and continues to do it expect an epic rant from me after the game. But we need to lim scum today.)

This reads like mith trying to derail Ythan and focus the votes onto Imaginality.
Agrees w/ the general sentiment that Ythan's play is unacceptable but we HAVE to lim this other scummy person instead. This is like, distancing 101 to me, I love putting my wolf partners in my fos pool but not ever voting them and voting town instead! How does this not read to you as that.

it reads town to me. it reads like someone who picked up on Ythan's role almost always being cop.

So you're saying that they were informed.
This doesn't do anything for me because if they're wolves w/ Ythan they would still want to do this.

like fucking hell Ali, I knew Ythan was a cop YESTERDAY.

It's the only thing realistic thing she could be! It was practically like an open secret. Heck, STAEG even knew and STAEG wanted more from Ythan AND FOS'D THEM

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So if we agree Dats is scum, go look at those and refute me. Refute that Dats and Gimli look paired on day 1.

Cause that's my biggest sticking point. They look genuinely paired D1 and that means with a Ythan guilty it all falls in place.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ali, go read Dats ISO wrt Gimli.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That's our new convo point.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You wanted me to give you more, here's more.

[Alisae]

my problem is "why didn't Ythan die?" and my answer was THIS. Today. People lining up for using it as WIFOM, right?

Because I was stupid and shot Ceph instead of holstering, our numbers are fucky. We lost a miselim. So this is the taking advantage of that.

The problem with this is this basically risks losing to the cop if it ever actually becomes a problem.
The more you fuck around the more you're gonna find out, right?

[Alisae]

Ali, go read every time Datisi speaks about Gimli.

ok, I'll ctrl + F Gimli

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I mean be a little mroe thorough but

yeah

[Alisae]

so far on a brief skim this seems decently meaningful?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

so far on a brief skim this seems decently meaningful?

meaning you're seeing what I'm seeing?

[Alisae]

so far on a brief skim this seems decently meaningful?

meaning you're seeing what I'm seeing?

Ya

[Alisae]

it's probably more convincing than I think anything that's out there on the slot

[Alisae]

I am going to go get the Gimli posts I townread him for D1. I want to show you those and you tell me what you think

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I am going to go get the Gimli posts I townread him for D1. I want to show you those and you tell me what you think

aight bet

[Alisae]

So this was the first sequence

my alisae townread is starting to wear thin as e's posting continues to be soft and 'trying to understand' and 'trying to grasp' and 'letting it rest' and this and that. it's here it's interacting it's making impressions on everyone but is it solving? is it pushing the game anywhere?

Before this post he was townreading me HARD.
I remember voting him for this in the moment because I thought he was trying to plant seeds for future paranoia and discord.

This was his response to this

like that post just spits in my fucking face it's gross

What purpose does that serve other than to just plant paranoia about me?

sorry mate its just how im reading the game. the sheer amount of not moving the game in any direction while posting as much as you are doesn't make me feel good about you. your responses to me were too reactive in a way I don't know if fits much with your towngame either, as I remember town you being extremely charitable to scumreads as town and trying to pick people's thoughts and understand them rather than OMGUSing them.

if I were just strong TRing you like everyone else seems to be doing, wouldn't that be objectively worse from an alignment standpoint? why would I pick you as scum, when there's all these flavours of potential low hanging fruit hanging around?

also why would I try to diminish your influence in the game when you're not pushing anything? I think if I was scum I'd be fine with the way you're playing

So I actually really like this response.
This kind of just reads like they're doing their own thing. They're standing their ground don't really feel threatened at all.

Logic is sound too because as I was reading this I was mostly nodding along w/ at least how it didn't make sense for him to do this if he was a wolf, because I imagine he would probably just want to keep me as townie, no?

I thought this could come from town but there's one more thing I think in combination w/ this I feel like just makes it likely that this guy could be town?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

those gimli posts remind me of the Lavos Core open game where Gimli was scum, though.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

People pleasing "I'm sorry but" etc