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qm camille Townie
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sometimes if you let people do things to you you're really doing it to them-
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JasonWazza Jack of All Trades
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@Mod: Are all rules considered active at all times, even if they aren't public knowledge?Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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Doctor Drew He/HimSurvivorHe/Him
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Lol, I do kinda vibe with this.In post 99, ceejayvinoya wrote: Anyone else just wanna wing this and play it like a regular game of Mafia until the mechanics screws us over?'dREW DID IT BETTER' - T-Bone
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heipizhu4 heGoonhe
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So where should we start? Like:In post 99, ceejayvinoya wrote: Anyone else just wanna wing this and play it like a regular game of Mafia until the mechanics screws us over?
VOTE: imagine as a pressure post for having the least post count?
So, imagine, do you have any thought on this game currently, either about the mechanic or the reads on players?-
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JasonWazza Jack of All Trades
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I mostly just find it weird why someone would feel the need to say this, over just doing it.In post 102, Doctor Drew wrote:
Lol, I do kinda vibe with this.In post 99, ceejayvinoya wrote: Anyone else just wanna wing this and play it like a regular game of Mafia until the mechanics screws us over?
Why do you feel the need to make everyone talk about the mechanics of the game?In post 103, heipizhu4 wrote:
So where should we start? Like:In post 99, ceejayvinoya wrote: Anyone else just wanna wing this and play it like a regular game of Mafia until the mechanics screws us over?
VOTE: imagine as a pressure post for having the least post count?
So, imagine, do you have any thought on this game currently, either about the mechanic or the reads on players?Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
In the process of creating a game to mod, we will see what it holds.-
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heipizhu4 heGoonhe
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Because the machanic is one of the most important parts of this game (or I won't come to join this word game against the mod lol). Possible benefits include:In post 104, JasonWazza wrote:
Why do you feel the need to make everyone talk about the mechanics of the game?In post 103, heipizhu4 wrote:
So where should we start? Like:In post 99, ceejayvinoya wrote: Anyone else just wanna wing this and play it like a regular game of Mafia until the mechanics screws us over?
VOTE: imagine as a pressure post for having the least post count?
So, imagine, do you have any thought on this game currently, either about the mechanic or the reads on players?- Collective creativity
- Fishing some gms out of the mafia's mouth (if mafia know more machanics than we do)
- Heating up the discussion and try to push things away from rvs. Tbh, let someone discuss the machanics should be easier to ask for reads here I guess?
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JasonWazza Jack of All Trades
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There are 2 real votes on you, you realize that yeah?In post 105, heipizhu4 wrote: Heating up the discussion and try to push things away from rvs.
So your just basically admitting to being scum, and having more information aren't you?In post 105, heipizhu4 wrote: Fishing some gms out of the mafia's mouth (if mafia know more machanics than we do)
Because you no longer have the excuse of there being no Sample PM's, so there would be no reason to assume this.Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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heipizhu4 heGoonhe
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Yeah, I realized, but I also realized the votes are not votes that try to get me eliminated. As I infered above, box != dead. I'm fine if you guys really put me in the box to test what the box actually means, and I'm ready for sacrifice.In post 106, JasonWazza wrote:
There are 2 real votes on you, you realize that yeah?In post 105, heipizhu4 wrote: Heating up the discussion and try to push things away from rvs.
So your just basically admitting to being scum, and having more information aren't you?In post 105, heipizhu4 wrote: Fishing some gms out of the mafia's mouth (if mafia know more machanics than we do)
Because you no longer have the excuse of there being no Sample PM's, so there would be no reason to assume this.
Isn't it Common knowledge that scum have more information than the town? As we all know, the game is about 'uninformed majority' vs 'informed minority' and you just stopped us from getting more info.-
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heipizhu4 heGoonhe
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Sorry, never trust the mod in a bastard game lol. Even the sample pm is given, how can you be sure scums have exactly the same amount of info as the town (execept they know their partners)? Apply the same logic on you, you basically admit scum and say 'I don't know more info about the setup than the town', aren't you?In post 106, JasonWazza wrote: no Sample PM's-
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JasonWazza Jack of All Trades
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The knowledge they have is of their alignment, and as a general rule of thumb in other games, the fact that they are likely the only team with their alignment, we are not playing a standard game, so that likely isn't even true (we have knowledge of a Quantum Goon Role card, that doesn't mean there isn't more fuckery afoot)In post 107, heipizhu4 wrote: Isn't it Common knowledge that scum have more information than the town?
So Mafia's information is their partner, compared to Town who don't have info as to who is on their team.
I mean, if somehow you don't die, i'm down to try again till you do.In post 107, heipizhu4 wrote: Yeah, I realized, but I also realized the votes are not votes that try to get me eliminated. As I infered above, box != dead. I'm fine if you guys really put me in the box to test what the box actually means, and I'm ready for sacrifice.
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To be clear, i'm not the one assuming they do or don't know anything, you are, my accusations are at the fact that you seem to be implying they have more knowledge, when at least a town player shouldn't believe that is truth.In post 108, heipizhu4 wrote:
Sorry, never trust the mod in a bastard game lol. Even the sample pm is given, how can you be sure scums have exactly the same amount of info as the town (execept they know their partners)? Apply the same logic on you, you basically admit scum and say 'I don't know more info about the setup than the town', aren't you?In post 106, JasonWazza wrote: no Sample PM's
I don't think talking about mechanics helps town right now (especially since we don't know if someone on the Town side has something that interacts with these mechanics, and would be best left undisclosed.)Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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JasonWazza Jack of All Trades
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EBWOPIn post 109, JasonWazza wrote: and as a general rule of thumb in other games OF THIS SIZEReturning win rate: 4/1, 80%
In the process of creating a game to mod, we will see what it holds.-
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bugspray They/ThemMafia ScumThey/Them
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In post 101, JasonWazza wrote:@Mod: Are all rules considered active at all times, even if they aren't public knowledge?No comment.MY PRONOUNS ARE THEY/THEM
do not assume my posts follow coherency they do not imagine that every time i post i put half of my knowledge into a clone and then the clone murders me-
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heipizhu4 heGoonhe
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Fair. Probably I got myself tunneled into taking that 'scum know more about the setup'. Thanks for pointing it out!In post 109, JasonWazza wrote: To be clear, i'm not the one assuming they do or don't know anything, you are, my accusations are at the fact that you seem to be implying they have more knowledge, when at least a town player shouldn't believe that is truth.
I still think it do. I mean, I still consider that scumhunting should be as important as revealing the rules. If we put all the special rules aside, we are pushing the game into a 2v7 mountainous setup, and it definitely doesn't favor us.In post 109, JasonWazza wrote: I don't think talking about mechanics helps town right now (especially since we don't know if someone on the Town side has something that interacts with these mechanics, and would be best left undisclosed.)
Based on the experiments conducted on the last three pages, we have already altered the op in 3 different places, so I've got a feeling that the gms are revealed by discussing and forming some certain opinions somehow. So what was doing here is to treat this thread as a lab and see what exactly will happen.-
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biancospino he/shecompulsive complex Inventorhe/she
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And, as I infered above, box~=elimination.In post 107, heipizhu4 wrote: Yeah, I realized, but I also realized the votes are not votes that try to get me eliminated. As I infered above, box != dead. I'm fine if you guys really put me in the box to test what the box actually means, and I'm ready for sacrifice.
We vote for putting people in the box as per the VCs, somewhere in the rules it is said that we vote for elimination, so you don't get to pretend that votes for you are not in fact trying to lim you. Sacrifice is also a strange word for something you are sure is in no way death.
Weren't you the one testing the ground to see if we would accept that, if someone would appear to try to get into the box, then we should consider that maybe the box doesn't hurt scum? And how convenient, you're signaling you're fine with getting into the box now
VOTE: heipIn post 51, heipizhu4 wrote:In post 39, ceejayvinoya wrote: We don't even know if voting mafia to be put in the box will help town lol
So if we can spot a player here playing like a jester, we may assume 'putting mafia in the box doesn't help town'?In post 44, biancospino wrote:
Frankly unless there's strong evidence of the contrary it's probably best to just assume there isIn post 42, heipizhu4 wrote:
We don't even know whether a scum exist here lolIn post 39, ceejayvinoya wrote: We don't even know if voting mafia to be put in the box will help town lol-
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Ircher He / Him / HisWhat A Grand IdeaHe / Him / His
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It's not necessarily true that mafia know more, but by being the informed minority, they have access to more information, so it's possible they know something the rest of us don't.In post 55, JasonWazza wrote:
This would assume the "Mafia" have knowledge of the mechanics, and that's not necessarily true.In post 51, heipizhu4 wrote:In post 39, ceejayvinoya wrote: We don't even know if voting mafia to be put in the box will help town lol
So if we can spot a player here playing like a jester, we may assume 'putting mafia in the box doesn't help town'?In post 44, biancospino wrote:
Frankly unless there's strong evidence of the contrary it's probably best to just assume there isIn post 42, heipizhu4 wrote:
We don't even know whether a scum exist here lolIn post 39, ceejayvinoya wrote: We don't even know if voting mafia to be put in the box will help town lol-
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Ircher He / Him / HisWhat A Grand IdeaHe / Him / His
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Isn't qm camille the co-mod (i.e., not bugspray)? Maybe they are just using an automated tool that does the post linking for them to simplify things.In post 64, JasonWazza wrote:
I'm a very paranoid person, and bugspray in previous games hasn't used post numbers in VC's (i checked)In post 62, Aliana wrote:
Why don't you like it? That's a pretty common thing for mods to do.In post 60, JasonWazza wrote: I don't like that the votes are with post numbers so i want to test something for the next VC.
VOTE: Merlyn
VOTE: Ircher
And i'll note that the above doesn't actually say that the deadline passes when we put X people into the box
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Ircher He / Him / HisWhat A Grand IdeaHe / Him / His
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Oh this is interesting. Do we learn more about the setup as we correctly guess stuff?In post 83, bugspray wrote:Sample Role PMs have been made public. Additional information about the box has been made public.-
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1) Is a fair assumption in most microsIn post 96, heipizhu4 wrote:Bolded something out. I think I could reach some conclusions that:
- Only 2 mafias exist
- Which of the mafia to make the move matters. Probably it has relationship with the numbers?
- Dead != in the box. So could I guess the box is may be something similar as being doused in the forest fire (https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Forest_Fire )setup + added to a neighborhood + some unknown effect?
2) Also seems standard if we consider "put in the box" a variation on a factional kill.-
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No, this is a poor argument. Just because the sample role pms don't tell anything new doesn't mean mafia don't have access to other information they could accidentally leak.In post 106, JasonWazza wrote:
There are 2 real votes on you, you realize that yeah?In post 105, heipizhu4 wrote: Heating up the discussion and try to push things away from rvs.
So your just basically admitting to being scum, and having more information aren't you?In post 105, heipizhu4 wrote: Fishing some gms out of the mafia's mouth (if mafia know more machanics than we do)
Because you no longer have the excuse of there being no Sample PM's, so there would be no reason to assume this.-
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I don't agree with the votes on heipizhu. I'd like to explore
VOTE: Doctor Drew instead.-
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If the box doesn't hurt the scum, why are we still voting anyway?In post 113, biancospino wrote: Weren't you the one testing the ground to see if we would accept that, if someone would appear to try to get into the box, then we should consider that maybe the box doesn't hurt scum? And how convenient, you're signaling you're fine with getting into the box now
The reason why I'm fine getting into the box is that
a)I'm the newiest player here, so if we have to vote someone out, I'm the best choice among the town members
b) If I get into the box, perhaps I can get some information out of the box and benefit the town and there might be some chance for me to become a confimed townie.
c)Honestly, I signed up for this game to explore the machanics and have fun. So, being in the box can help me have some fun, why not if we are running out of choices?-
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Agree. Still remember the angle and demon mafia where the flipped pm is imcomplete, so here could be also the caseIn post 118, Ircher wrote: No, this is a poor argument. Just because the sample role pms don't tell anything new doesn't mean mafia don't have access to other information they could accidentally leak.
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heipizhu4 heGoonhe
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My current reading list:
Merlyn, imagine, Alian(n)a: neutral
Not lots of posts, tbh. Merlyn has only made 3 posts (which gives little information), imagine has only 1 post in 12 as an rvs post, Aliana has some interactions with me, but kind of reluctant to think about the setup, not sure why
Doctor: a bit scumlean. Before 19, his post are all greeting posts, rather genuine. Then he skipped the gm discussion part, and voted for me. Kind of sussy, but I'll keep an eye in drew.
Bianco: townlean. Honestly. He has made several experiments on the setup, and his reasoning is fine on voting me, really.
ceej: neutral. Several one liners, just like his previous games.
Ircher: Hi, thanks for the defend! A tl on you, but not enough for a town read currently (cause the lack of information on the day1 of day1 lol)
Jason: I like his 101, but his scumread on me, idk, is 'single reasoned'. Not something I like. Neutral for now.
An ISO on myself: This player has done lots of lists and exploration on the setup, however, his intention to vote himself out is suspicious. Scumlean on him
That's another reason why I'm fine with you guys voting me. I tried to be 100% genuine here, but looking at myself's iso, I have sus on myself as well. Let's see what will happen next after I post this.-
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This is honestly one of the most frustrating things I see people in mafia doing. The game opened 21 hours ago , don't be throwing shade for 'low post count'. I don't like this whole, I have sus on myself thing... Like what? VOTE: hepIn post 122, heipizhu4 wrote: My current reading list:
Merlyn, imagine, Alian(n)a: neutral
Not lots of posts, tbh. Merlyn has only made 3 posts (which gives little information), imagine has only 1 post in 12 as an rvs post, Aliana has some interactions with me, but kind of reluctant to think about the setup, not sure why
Doctor: a bit scumlean. Before 19, his post are all greeting posts, rather genuine. Then he skipped the gm discussion part, and voted for me. Kind of sussy, but I'll keep an eye in drew.
Bianco: townlean. Honestly. He has made several experiments on the setup, and his reasoning is fine on voting me, really.
ceej: neutral. Several one liners, just like his previous games.
Ircher: Hi, thanks for the defend! A tl on you, but not enough for a town read currently (cause the lack of information on the day1 of day1 lol)
Jason: I like his 101, but his scumread on me, idk, is 'single reasoned'. Not something I like. Neutral for now.
An ISO on myself: This player has done lots of lists and exploration on the setup, however, his intention to vote himself out is suspicious. Scumlean on him
That's another reason why I'm fine with you guys voting me. I tried to be 100% genuine here, but looking at myself's iso, I have sus on myself as well. Let's see what will happen next after I post this.-
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That's why neutral, isn't it?In post 123, Merlyn wrote: on't be throwing shade for 'low post count'
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