Micro 1085: Even/Odd Killers [GAME OVER]

[Datisi]

yoyoyo

VOTE: fireisredsir

[Datisi]

nah why lol

[Datisi]

i ain't reading mafia universe theory

[Datisi]

are you attempting to dumbtell

[Datisi]

ill go ahead and hardclaim dumb, idk what the issue w that is

i cc

but basically yeah there's a SK in this game, and they could be immune to the cop, which like idk should have some sorta effect on the strategy you presented but like you didn't say anything about it

[Datisi]

k

[Datisi]

alternatively, let's not

VOTE: merlyn

[Datisi]

Fires vote isn't real he's just gonna be like yadda yadda yadda you said something like that in your garlic bread entrance.

does that make them scum

[Datisi]

alternatively, let's not

VOTE: merlyn

Is this a vibe vote?

VOTE: Merlyn

it's not a random one

it could be called a vibe vote, sure

[Datisi]

Fires vote isn't real he's just gonna be like yadda yadda yadda you said something like that in your garlic bread entrance.

does that make them scum

Weird question. Feels super reachy. Why would it?

because you put them at y-1 and called for a hammer. yes i know 40 could've been a joke but i take it you know that someone might very well lolhammer that. so i'm assuming you have SOME sorta reason to think fire is scum, and the only thing i can understand as a scumread is 45, so...

[Datisi]

If someone lol hammers it would probably be way more informative than what usually happens on page 2 of a game and would also be very funny.

we lose a full day, then tomorrow we yeet that person and either they're scum (which like, meh) or it's a townie who wanted to be funny and then we lose TWO days and no

i'm not mad i've gotten used to everyone always wanting to power yeet me

[Datisi]

alternatively, let's not

VOTE: merlyn

Is this a vibe vote?

VOTE: Merlyn

it's not a random one

it could be called a vibe vote, sure

Let's hear about those vibes, gentlemen, I enjoy hearing about myself!

your entrance feels as if you instinctually know you should contribute to the actual content of the game, but don't really know *what* to contribute, so you instead make a comment about "wow the game sure did move out of RVS amirite guys?"

like, a townie that didn't have anything to post there would just post a random vote i feel, or say nothing. a townie that has something to contribute would contribute. this just feels forced, neither one nor the other

[Datisi]

i so far agree with p much everything roden's said in this game, which... worries me???

[Datisi]

sheep is probably? town actually

reading through page 4 and appearance "i don't see the reasons for scum-shea" my first thought was "there were reasons for scum-shea?" like idk the comment felt out of place with what has been happening in the thread


and 102 from sheep is goodposting so here we are

[Datisi]

i so far agree with p much everything roden's said in this game, which... worries me???

i change my mind on this btw i'm gonna treat roden as town for the time being

[Datisi]

alternatively, let's not

VOTE: merlyn

Is this a vibe vote?

VOTE: Merlyn

it's not a random one

it could be called a vibe vote, sure

Let's hear about those vibes, gentlemen, I enjoy hearing about myself!

your entrance feels as if you instinctually know you should contribute to the actual content of the game, but don't really know *what* to contribute, so you instead make a comment about "wow the game sure did move out of RVS amirite guys?"

like, a townie that didn't have anything to post there would just post a random vote i feel, or say nothing. a townie that has something to contribute would contribute. this just feels forced, neither one nor the other

What content?

whatever content you saw that made you say "wow we're out of RVS"

[Datisi]

ok

that doesn't change my opinion on what i've said

[Datisi]

a quick iso of our last game together shows she tends to be white-knighty and does dumbtell as scum

Who is this post about?

u obviously

I can't imagine why this would be about me. We have never played a completed game together first off. As far as I know, the only time we've interacted with each other is in an ongoing game, which a) we can't talk about, b) I replaced out of in twelve posts, and c) as far as I know my replacement is still playing and thus you have no idea what alignment.

VOTE: Appearance

there is something so funny to me about "we can't talk about it" *proceeds to talk about it A LOT*

micro 1082 is done, btw, its title is just outated.

You don't think that scum make things up during games and hope no one will notice?

this feels like a purposeful misrep. or something similar to a misrep like idk. there's a difference between scum making up "things" and scum making up actual meta. like the odds of scum getting away with making up meta with another player in the game that can very easily call them out for it is not good.

also if i were really nitpicky i'd say merlyn's "i want to accomplish clarity of that ISO" feels like BS because i don't get the idea from their vote that they're set out to probe and question appearance further, so that comment feels like an "oh shit fire sees how weak my vote is i need to claim it was for accomplishing clearance"

[Datisi]

VOTE: Appearance

Back to E-1. I'll ease off of Merlyn for now.

what makes you vote appearance here and why are you easing off merlyn?

[Datisi]

i skimmed through merlyn's iso in micro 1082 and i *can* see her being white-knighty in that game. or like, i can see someone interpreting her in that game as being white-knighty.

she's still attacking appearance for "making up meta", but like... i don't think appearance was using that "false meta" to actually push her here, and i don't see her actually trying to understand whether appearance could have misremembered/misinterpreted her play in 1082, and whether he's using it maliciously... yeah tldr not a fan

[Datisi]

hot take(?): appearance is town

i feel like the early unnecessary claim is something that comes from town more often than not, and i'm not sure if i see scum being this chill about being at y-1 and unvoting and not really giving any sort of solid reads bc i feel like a base instinct for most scum is to *do stuff* in that position

[Datisi]

I think you're framing your conversations with others in ways that try to make them look bad rather than try to figure out their alignment.

can you give me an example or two of what you mean here? i feel like most of his negative comments aren't really about making others look like scum (rather than just insinuating they're playing badly, which like i don't think would make others think they're scummy)

[Datisi]

hot take(?): appearance is town

i feel like the early unnecessary claim is something that comes from town more often than not, and i'm not sure if i see scum being this chill about being at y-1 and unvoting and not really giving any sort of solid reads bc i feel like a base instinct for most scum is to *do stuff* in that position

this feels lazy as fuck.

ok

what about it

[Datisi]

sheep
datisi appearance roden
fire??
donempire merlyn
black tsq

talk about black? i feel like i'm struggling to mentally form a read there

[Datisi]

let's wagon donempire imo

eh why not, doesn't seem like anyone wants to join me on merlyn anyway >_>

VOTE: donempire

[Datisi]

sheep
datisi appearance roden
fire??
donempire merlyn
black tsq

talk about black? i feel like i'm struggling to mentally form a read there

This is weird because this is like the 3rd time you've repeated something I've said but for some reason you're having a hard time forming a read on me?

I questioned Roden's vote on Appearance, said Appearance feels kinda townie to me, and then asked sheep to elaborate on his read of me

Do you think it's suspicious that we're thinking along the same lines or something?

no? if i thought it was suspicious i'd have said so. i don't have a read on you. i don't put much weight into someone having similar thoughts than me here because i don't think the takes i've had are super complex or anything that half-decent scum would have trouble with coming up themselves. do you think i should be townreading you for it?

[Datisi]

to answer their question it seems like extremely level 0 analysis that a wagon getting to e-1 would react in a certain away especially because the slot is clearly an alt with experience.

bestie it was page 9 what kinda profound analysis do you expect of me here

also my read was made in mind with appearance being an alt with some experience, if they were a complete noob i could see them freezing up under pressure but i don't think scum with experience reacts like that

[Datisi]

hot take(?): appearance is town

i feel like the early unnecessary claim is something that comes from town more often than not, and i'm not sure if i see scum being this chill about being at y-1 and unvoting and not really giving any sort of solid reads bc i feel like a base instinct for most scum is to *do stuff* in that position

I mean, he was spamming posts, so if you call that being chill then i wonder what being tense is like for you. His whole iso seems panicky and seeking validation, and i especially dislike the early claim.

i meant chill as "does not seem to be doing things to try to get townread" not anything about his emotional state

why does the early claim make him scummy?

[Datisi]

I keep hearing that appearance is the alt of someone. I'd like to hear how you reached that conclusion, because everything from the way he speaks to his general manners seems like a knowledgable newbie, and if its an alt it's probably an alt of a new player. There might be something i'm not seeing.

aspects of him heavily remind me of someone on the site. that's all i'm gonna say as i'm not a fan of alt revealing.

as for the rest of the post about him, idk if i can put it into words but i don't really agree - being apologetic feels more like a character thing rather than alignment thing, and i don't think i got the vibe he was ever pushing merlyn to begin with?

[Datisi]

i meant chill as "does not seem to be doing things to try to get townread" not anything about his emotional state

why does the early claim make him scummy?

I don't think he wasn't trying though, or at the very least his posts seemed very "people pleasing", like what i said about being overly apologetic.

The claim came way before any real threat emerged, such as an intent to hammer. If he was afraid of a lolhammer, vt claim wouldn't save him from that, so thats pointless. I don't see any reason for why town would claim likr that, only scum might claim it in a panic, because it really makes no sense otherwise.

i explained this at some point earlier, but when i said not trying to get townread, i meant

and i'm not sure if i see scum being this chill about being at y-1 and unvoting and not really giving any sort of solid reads bc i feel like a base instinct for most scum is to *do stuff* in that position

i think scum would very likely start doing things like pushing someone or giving reads because like, i don't remember last time someone got townread for being apologetic or whatever. i feel like he knows that and yet he's not doing it

also it feels like you're giving the claim a scum motive without actually like, explaining why? why would scum claim in a panic, but town wouldn't? if town wouldn't claim because the claim wouldn't save him from a lolhammer, why would scum?

[Datisi]

Datisi's #59 disregards by omission the possibility of hitting scum or SK with a powerlim on Sheep.

what? i specifically said in the post that i don't think it's be a good move even if we hit scum with a quick yeet there

[Datisi]

Datisi/Sheep team? It's Datisi's moving of their vote that hopped us off of E-1, but then went for Merlyn over Shea.

Why was this?

what is this question asking?

[Datisi]

*Snip*
we lose a full day, then tomorrow we yeet that person and either they're scum (which like, meh) or it's a townie who wanted to be funny and then we lose TWO days and no
*Snip*

No, you didn't.

You said we lose a full day today, then everything after that point refers to the D2 lim. I've highlighted it below:

*Snip*
we lose a full day,
*Snip*

No mention of scumhood here
And then

*Snip*
then tomorrow we yeet that person and either they're scum (which like, meh) or it's a townie who wanted to be funny

and then we lose TWO days

and no
*Snip*

You completely disregarded the possibility of the lim hitting scum by virtue of saying that 2 days would be wasted which struck me as scummy.

Suggesting by omission that they aren't scum suggested to me a level of knowledge about the game. Can't be an SK with that level of knowledge about the game so has to be scum IMO.

oh, i see what you mean now. i was responding to shea's 57 there, which says that

If someone lol hammers it would probably be way more informative than what usually happens on page 2 of a game

it would be informative - i figured the assumption was made that the person getting lolhammered would flip green (because if they were red, then any sort of information about the lolhammerer kind of pales in comparison to actually having a red flip), and the "it would be informative" surely wasn't talking about the person potentially getting hammered because we'd know their alignment soon enough

also, i've never seen scum getting lolhammered on page 2, but i have seen town getting lolhammered on page two. so i would be making the assumption that, if anyone does get hammered on page 2, it's going to be a townie

[Datisi]

and, technically speaking: even if i were scum, i still cannot have the level of knowledge to know whether the quickhammer on day 1 is going to flip town or not, so ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ

[Datisi]

Datisi/Sheep team? It's Datisi's moving of their vote that hopped us off of E-1, but then went for Merlyn over Shea.

Why was this?

what is this question asking?

Why did you go for Merlyn over Shea?

explained in 108

(if your next question is "but why did you not vote for shea, the answer is whatever shea had done up to that point i found less scummy than the vibes i had on merlyn)

[Datisi]

and, technically speaking: even if i were scum, i still cannot have the level of knowledge to know whether the quickhammer on day 1 is going to flip town or not, so ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ

This is a non-sequitur - you would know whether or not it would flip scum which is the key distinction.

Would it flip town? Maybe. Would it flip SK? Maybe. But the thing that you avoided was that chance of it flipping scum, that's where the omission occurs and that's why I think its scummy.

i know it's a non-sequitur, i'm poking fun at your 277, which claimed:
"Datisi's #59 disregards by omission the possibility of hitting scum or SK with a powerlim on Sheep."
which implies that i am informed in two ways, which. you know. you get why it's false.

then, when i say "scum" i'm generally referring to any non-town. with 284 being an exception because i was responding to you there.

finally, omission: yes, i was assuming a quickhammer wouldn't flip scum. this is because (1) the conversation was going in that direction, (2) i have never seen a p2 quickhammer flip not-town.

[Datisi]

I'm honestly unconvinced by this.

do you have any other reasons to scumread me or is the bulk of your case really "wow guys datisi scumslipped!!!"

[Datisi]

I get the sense that you're trying to deflect the accusation of scumslipping through a series of 'gotcha' moments, rather than explaining why I should be voting elsewhere.

Why does it have you rattled that I voted you? I'm alone on your wagon.

i am trying to explain why you should be voting elsewhere, mainly by explaining why your read is bad, which you called "unconvincing".

it "rattles" me when i'm voted for reasons that are very clearly false in my mind. and in the meantime, i'm also trying to see your thought process behind it.

[Datisi]

also it feels to me that most of your case around me is built on the assumption that i'm noobscum or that i don't know how to play scum which like always annoys the shit out of me lmao

[Datisi]

@delta (am on mobile so no quote surgery)

that's not something you put forward, but i can very clearly see it's implied. because people don't accuse good scum of "perspective slipping" and "no intent behind scumhunting"

again, because your view of my slot is garbage and i'm trying to change your mind and/or see whether you really believe it

why should i be telling you where to vote. you can read the game and see who i've expressed suspicion on and who i'm voting right now

[Datisi]

honie you're accusing me of perspective slipping, what are you talking about lmao

[Datisi]

you're accusing me of something that realistically, only very incompetent scum ever makes a mistake on, but then you're claiming you're not accusing me of being a noob

dude

[Datisi]

i'm typing these posts while taking a serene night walk in the countryside

this ain't even close to what my outrage looks like

[Datisi]

If you want to push the narrative that you're incompetent

[Datisi]

i also think that while not directly calling him noobscum your case is a really semantic one that doesn't really feel like good faith sorting

i think that there's no way to believe that was a legit slip without believing that datisi is incompetent bc lol

i also think this is more like the points you push when you're scum

i was actually thinking this is townie for him

i'd need to actually check his scum games, but i don't get the vibe he's a "purposefully push hella bad arguments at a relatively townread person for townpoints"

[Datisi]

that's not fair fire, what do you mean you read games for meta instead of just making vibe assumptions??

also, a question to everyone other than delta: do i sound outraged there?

[Datisi]

"feigning outrage", "appealing to the playerbase" and "accusation of attacking my character" are very uh. extremely uncharitable interpretations of those posts.

They've not passed comment on anything other than the vote on them.

yeah bc i don't really care about your other content right now

i'm probably gonna stop responding to this line of convo right now because i think there's probably nothing else productive gonna come from it

[Datisi]

They've not passed comment on anything other than the vote on them.

yeah bc i don't really care about your other content right now

Why don't you care?
Why are you

only

concerned about how you look to me?

because i find it easiest to sort people when questioning their read on my slot, rather than on other slots

[Datisi]

@Datisi: What would you like to talk about that isn't my read on you?

There's changing the conversation and there is ending it, and there's a difference.

i don't want to talk about anything with you right now

and that isn't in an "outrage annoyed" manner, it's in a manner where i don't think my read on you is gonna progress whatever we talk about and i'd rather see other people react to the convo than change the conversation with you

[Datisi]

he makes two points which address it:
1) shea was assuming a townflip, bc he said the lolhammer would be good for information. he was continuing this line of conversation
2) he's never seen a page 2 lolhammer be on scum, so he also thought it was a reasonable assumption to make

like idk dude, i addressed it. this was me addressing it. you said you're unconvinced by it. then you changed it into "he's not addressing it". there is literally nothing else productive to come off from this conversation and idk why you're saying it's scummy of me to try to end it

[Datisi]

good morning friends, had a busy day yesterday, did anything fun happen in this game while i was gone?

I just find it harder soooometimes as villager to find the motivation to type up for u guys what im thinking lmaoo like screw u all

ain't this a mood

page 15 and 16 does not change my opinion on sheep. or like, i still feel he's town and he's off the table for me today.

i don't like shea's attack on fire on page 16 at all. 381 in particular is like why. feels similar to whoever i called out before for trying to argue no town motivation or logic or whatever therefore person is scum, when ime that isn't always true and he should know that.

Daitisi

i've noticed you spelled my name like 5 different ways so far this game. idk if it's intentional but pls don't. "dats" is fine if you don't wanna bother with the i's

i stg only merlyn is town.

why do you townread merlyn?

the lots of chiming in against delta on datisi's behalf

I think scum would be self conscious that it looks like buddy/pocket whatever while town!him would just do that argument himself cuz he believes in one side of it

i think? i agree with this. while i definitely think scum!fire would be *capable* of doing what they've done here, i am also not sure i see why they'd bother to pocket me like that. like i wasn't scumreading them and i'm not a very influential person in this game so.

bottom of page 16

[Datisi]

i did like her readlist actually

why? i thought a lot of it seemed like filler. the roden read especially.

roden does seem townie for his case on shea/merlyn. like, i don't really agree they're a likely scumpair because their interactions would surely be A Choice, but

anyway i currently don't want to vote in sheep/roden/fire, maybe also not appearance and delta

interested in seeing don's case ig

[Datisi]

@Datisi: What would you like to talk about that isn't my read on you?

There's changing the conversation and there is ending it, and there's a difference.

i don't want to talk about anything with you right now

and that isn't in an "outrage annoyed" manner, it's in a manner where i don't think my read on you is gonna progress whatever we talk about and i'd rather see other people react to the convo than change the conversation with you

Yeah i don't think scum datisi says this. While i agree with delta on some of her points i agree that it was somewhat poorly worded and dats could easily push this to a lim. What we instead see is fire pushing hard for a lim opportunity with datisi laying further back. I also don't think a datisi/fire team is plausible as the association would be too obvious were one of them to flip scum.

did you only read that post now?

[Datisi]

uh, can you give me a tl;dr on how you went from "datisi should be the yeet, i'm making a case" to "this isn't scumtisi meta"? you don't have to make the full case or anything but i would lie a window into how you got from point A to point B here

[Datisi]

wrt the mech stuff: i would rather kill a mafia today rather than the SK. but i would also rather kill the SK than kill a townie, and i don't actually know how to hunt for an SK, so uh until further notice i'm probably just voting whoever is scummy and hoping it's correct

[Datisi]

uh, can you give me a tl;dr on how you went from "datisi should be the yeet, i'm making a case" to "this isn't scumtisi meta"? you don't have to make the full case or anything but i would lie a window into how you got from point A to point B here

I didn't read past post 255, i just saw the last page and saw that you were not on e-1 and blurted that out to not get prodded. Sorry jason lol

LMAO

understandable have a nice day

[Datisi]

ugh the more i read donempire's posts last page the more i feel bad about my current vote. i don't really agree with his thoughts on fire but i do feel like it's a genuine thought process.

VOTE: merlyn

i *can* see appearance being the SK, but eh i'd be lying if i said i felt any kind of confidence in that

any of the merlyn townreaders wanna tell me why i'm wrong here?

[Datisi]

i never said you're buddies with her so that doesn't do anything for me

Doesn't seem very likely that scum would push a narrative of me having a scum buddy when I'm town.

i don't understand how this is relevant for your merlyn read, she wasn't the one to say that?

can you expand on it more than "she's solving"? i didn't really like her solving and the readslist rubs me the wrong way

pedits: @shea

[Datisi]

datisi can u talk about what your read on delta is

still leaning town but less than i was after the shitfight. the progression onto appearance and onto fire being more scum than me is like, seems like reasonable positions to take for both town and mafia, but i expect there to be more thought process behind it if he's town. but also there's the v/la so yknow yeah

[Datisi]

Before I do I want to hear more about "i didnt really like her solving"

i already talked about the early appearance stuff

her readslist felt like, idk forced i guess. a lot of it is a lot of words that just say nothing. was roden really pushing a bunch of players? why is fire preflipped with me as scum? why does it take so much to say "datisi is playing passively"? is appearance part saying anything new?

like this kinda readlist would be more a "i'm not sure what my reads are i need to get them in order" but it doesn't seem to be presented like that

[Datisi]

do they not feel like genuine thoughts she has on the game? To me they do. Like I guess I kind of associate lackluster and inconsistency with townie play and less so with scum. I'd be more concerned with a read list that felt more polished and directional. I get the sense that merlyn has a bunch of thoughts in her head about this game and some of them aren't completely fleshed out and some of them are contradictory which is also how I feel about this game right now so I vibe with it.

i'm not bothered by inconsistency. lackluster is arguable - i don't think just being lackluster is a problem, rather it feels performative. written only to have something written.

where do you get the feeling she's been inconsistent or contradictory?


...and just as i open her iso to look for it myself, i see 307 and i'm like "what?" and then i see she's responding to delta *asking her* for a readslist and now my fucking head hurts

i'll think about this in the morning

[Datisi]

Before I do I want to hear more about "i didnt really like her solving"

i already talked about the early appearance stuff

her readslist felt like, idk forced i guess. a lot of it is a lot of words that just say nothing. was roden really pushing a bunch of players? why is fire preflipped with me as scum? why does it take so much to say "datisi is playing passively"? is appearance part saying anything new?

like this kinda readlist would be more a "i'm not sure what my reads are i need to get them in order" but it doesn't seem to be presented like that

Question for you- why aren't you asking me any of this?

why should i be asking you? i wanted to see what other people thought about it first, but also like, most of the questions i put up there aren't really something i'd ask you. except maybe the preflipping question but i didn't wanna ask that yet.

i dunno, i think they feel more like rhetoric questions. like if i asked "was roden really pushing players" of course you'd say "yes he was" and then we'd get into a back and forth that probably doesn't help me. but seeing whether others see it that way as well or if it's me that's seeing it weirdly is probably more likely to be helpful.

[Datisi]

if we all want to just end day soon then that is something I am down for and I probably vote appearance over fire here

this is the only thought i have about this game right now

[Datisi]

i don't think appearance being an easy yeet is actually very indicative of him being not-mafia. he was getting heat practically right out of the gate, i'd expect his partner to be ready to bus. also, considering it's taking us this long to actually kill him, i'd argue he's the opposite of an easy yeet...

As for your point of contestion, Sk would not want to be overtly doing scumhunting because they wouldn't want to be targeted by scum.

mafia can't shoot until n2, though. on day 1, it's probably more important for the SK to not get copped n1 rather than planning about the scum kill on n2

[Datisi]

intent on appearance

based on the most recent votecount (and my assumption that fire won't vote themselves) 2 people need to be convinced on fire being a better kill than appearance. stuff i've seen so far hasn't really convinced me at all. giving this like... 12 hours for appearance's last readslist and for whowever wants to make cases against fire.

[Datisi]

i don't really care if the "consensus" was reached on him early or not. a bunch of people are going "i wanna vote someone else" and that is resistance. note, this isn't me saying he has to be not-mafia because he's easy to yeet or that there's a partner in the resistance. i don't make these guesses without flips.

if i were SK i'd choose bulletproof, and i'm guessing a decent number of people would have too... but unsure if any of this matters right now. convince me fire is mafia. or don't, i guess.

[Datisi]

I notice stuff like this because its something I do a lot as scum, try to build narrative subtly with the way I'm describing things so that I don't have to push stuff just have others pick up on the negative framing I'm using and run with it.

It's very effective.

Lol

Guess we get to play "was this WIFOM or an honest admission" today

well, last game he said "i'm scum with vp baltar btw" on like page 3, and he was scum with vp baltar, so...

agreed merlyn is most likely town, i don't see her partnered with shea and i don't know why she'd kill him. it does make me wonder why nobody really cared about my push on her though, other scum could've easily jumped onto it. i'll actually reread once ms starts being less laggy.

don't really think that sheep is mafia, but i could see him as the SK. shea also specifically said that he thought sheep is SK, which. lol.

[Datisi]

it's kinda annoying because i wanna look for the SK with the nightkill, but also i don't know if shea was killed because SK thought shea was gonna push them to die, because they thought shea was scum and wanted to start getting rid of mafia, or because they got cop vibes or something?

[Datisi]

not to like, copy other people's thoughts or anything, but delta/don does seem like a good guess for the remaining mafia. shea jumped onto appearance as the delta wagon was building, which could be partnery trying to divert from it. but delta did jump on right after him so maybe not?

donempire is kinda uh. around the time he started the wagon on fire, which i thought could also fit being shea's partner (in a world where neither mafia is in immediate danger, building wagons is good) but ctrl+f'ng "shea" and "status" in his iso is ???

51 votes for shea, 122 explains why he doesn't like him. later on they have a kinda negative interaction in 254

after the faux vote on me, he calls shea town in 461 for ??? reasons, and the rest of the day there's not much interactions there

and entering the day with "haha i totally felt like shea was scum, good thing he's dead lol" is uh

VOTE: donempire

i'm good to start by looking here

also i'm not sure if there is any difference between voting out an SK today or voting out mafia today. like, the end result of either would be pretty much the same?

[Datisi]

I think it's a mix of 1 and 3, because i also felt like shea was softing cop in some of her posts. Maybe she was building up to a moment where she would have to cc the cop in case they found her or her scum buddy, and it just backfired. We can just assume at this point, and last time i assumed we limmed a townie, so maybe we should work with what we know first. What we know is that sk knew appearance wasn't sk.

shea is a guy

[Datisi]

I disagree on both those points. Someone pointed out that shea literally gave away his scumbuddy in a game he was in "jokingly" - i doubt he'd be above buddying his scumbuddy.

i don't think it's *literally impossible* shea and merlyn are scum together, but it's also one of those really really improbably things. so i'd like to hear more about this other than "well he did this wacky stuff in a different game so maybe"

[Datisi]

it's kinda annoying because i wanna look for the SK with the nightkill, but also i don't know if shea was killed because SK thought shea was gonna push them to die, because they thought shea was scum and wanted to start getting rid of mafia, or because they got cop vibes or something?

kinda curious what made you decide to post this

mostly seeing roden and donempire make claims/speculation about why shea was killed, which faction is it better to go for today, etc, trying to work it through myself, and feeling like it's really not that easy to conclude anything? and i didn't wanna say "hey guys i have no fucking clue where y'all getting that from, am i the stupid one" so

[Datisi]

Datisi, Rosen, Sheep, Don, are any of you willing to vote/yeet fireisred?

i am once again asking to actually be convinced on fire being scum instead of reading "trust me bro" for whichever time

rn the answer is no

[Datisi]

nothing in the last day really changed my on anything

roden stonks are rising

i will be very annoyed if the first time i encounter his scumgame it's this but it do be like that sometime

[Datisi]

hm

[Datisi]

Also fire, am I being a dick by asking Nurse to catch up? I dont feel like I am

I told you I have no interest reading 28+ pages of past Day 1 speculation, and yet you continue pestering me over that as if that's going to help anyone. That is my meta. Continue pestering me over it to your own detriment.

do you have a different account or have you played elsewhere? because the "that's my meta" line seems really weird otherwise

if you were never planning to catch up on day 1 anyway, why did you jump in so ready to vote fire (based on some rando stuff on page 3) and ask people to join you?

[Datisi]

@Datisi: Why didn't you hammer? What changed?

iirc, appearance said they're gonna make a readslist, and that's what i gave them time for. but in the readslist, they said something like "additional reasons later" or whatever, and since (1) the timer for d1 wasn't tight (2) i didn't see anyone else getting ran up and them active-lurking their way out of the wagon, i figured there's not much difference if i hammered then or in the morning. if your thought now is "but if you think them posting the readslist wouldn't have changed anything about their slot, why didn't you hammer them anyway" and it's because i didn't want to cause some people to be like "but datisiiii they said they needed more time why did you hammer are you scum maybe???" because that's annoying as fuck

fire is right that i fell asleep, but i didn't forget about the game or anything, i just didn't hammer

do you think me not hammering is relevant to my alignment?

[Datisi]

@random nurse can i get a readslist from you? doesn't have to be detailed or anything, just wanna see your current worldview

[Datisi]

maybe the real fire case was the friends we made along the way

[Datisi]

I'd ask what you think of Fire's hammer in the context that I gave earlier, but I think they described the scenario as much the same so I doubt there's much to gain from that.

you mean 743? i mean sure. if fire is scum that did happen. but also scum!fire could've easily not hammered there as to not appear opportunistic and to wait for me to take the blame for the hammer. and "datisi said it'd hammer" is a very good excuse for staying out of the wagon

Am I today's lim, in your opinion?

i wouldn't cry over it because you're one of the slots i don't really townread, but also i think don's much worse and would rather see him go

this does make me think i'm townreading a scum somewhere, maybe the SK, but i'm not sure if i know how to figure out where right now

[Datisi]

Okay i will make a case today, but datisi, before that i want you to tell me what you think about appearance's 519, and my 461?

i don't think anything about either. i don't think anything appearance listed out there is scummy. like, i feel like i've also been townreading sheep for the majority of the game and that my read was explained even less than fire's and nobody gave me any shit for it. i don't see why that's supposed to be scummy for fire.

your 461 is at least, like plausible. scum!fire keeping a tvt fight going would at least make sense as scum motivation. doesn't really convince me that that is what happened, though.

now that you bring up that post, mind explaining why your shea read progressed the way it did this game?

[Datisi]

@Datisi: How did Fire's defence of you (whilst saying also that you can speak for yourself) sit with you? Did it make you feel good/bad, uneasy/confident in their alignment?

you mean 737? doesn't really do anything for me. i don't see it as a defense, because i don't think my action there needed defending. or like, i don't think me not hammering is alignment indicative for me there, i think fire also knows it's not alignment indicative for me, thus it's something that cannot be defended because the action itself isn't bad. does that make sense i hope it does.

[Datisi]

i think he investigated shea on n1. that would certainly explain why he was like "haha i thought he was scum i am sure glad i don't have to prove it today", after admittedly... not thinking he's scum. i thought the awkwardness was because he was salty his partner died, but uh. it obviously wasn't.

unless someone else found something else, obviously.

[Datisi]

At five players left is it too early for us all to full claim?

what is left to claim? the only TPR is dead.

[Datisi]

Also fire, am I being a dick by asking Nurse to catch up? I dont feel like I am

I told you I have no interest reading 28+ pages of past Day 1 speculation, and yet you continue pestering me over that as if that's going to help anyone. That is my meta. Continue pestering me over it to your own detriment.

do you have a different account or have you played elsewhere? because the "that's my meta" line seems really weird otherwise

if you were never planning to catch up on day 1 anyway, why did you jump in so ready to vote fire (based on some rando stuff on page 3) and ask people to join you?

@random nurse

why did/do you want to vote fire/delta, again? and why did you hammer?

[Datisi]

See I thought the same thing as Datisi which makes me think that they saw that and it guided their shot. It would make sense since it allows an easy lim on me today, Datisi can't be investigation immune as Mafia so offing the cop isn't a bad shout.

what? i didn't kill the cop, the fuck you on about.

unless your claim here is that i saw that YESTERDAY and concluded that don's a cop that investigated shea...? in which case, you have to start with "datisi is mafia" already because there's nothing to say i'm not town who saw what i said i saw yesterday and thought it was a don/shea scumteam.

[Datisi]

...yes, i saw that yesterday. what makes you think it's me being scum thinking he's cop, as opposed to me being town and thinking he's scum? why is the latter impossible, or so unlikely to you?

[Datisi]

bestie i have a hard time caring about gutvibes when they're made solely based on first 60 posts of the game

[Datisi]

i kinda like delta's entrance to the day. i guess it could come from scum who thinks they found the other scum but it feels towny to me

why does this delta make you feel townie when the older days didn't

[Datisi]

ah i see. my issue is that there's a bunch of other reasons that roden could've gotten shot, many much more intuitive than "datisi got this master plan to yeet delta while also not being on his wagon". same with his thoughts on me seeing things about don. it's taking the conclusion that i'm mafia and then trying to fit all facts into that mold. and i was interested in what you thought about that @fire

[Datisi]

what are the odds delta is mafia who thinks i'm SK and is panicking because he knows he really needs to vote the SK out?

[Datisi]

ah i see. my issue is that there's a bunch of other reasons that roden could've gotten shot, many much more intuitive than "datisi got this master plan to yeet delta while also not being on his wagon". same with his thoughts on me seeing things about don. it's taking the conclusion that i'm mafia and then trying to fit all facts into that mold. and i was interested in what you thought about that @fire

Why do you think Roden got shot?

dude was fucking universally townread and was probably never getting voted out. that alone is a good reason to shoot them. it could've been done to kill a defender of nurse, who did a hammer oopsie. it could've been done as a way to make sure he cannot change his mind on nurse and lock in that townread. i don't know. but surely all of those are more intuitive that that ~master plan~.

[Datisi]

I'll happily have someone (that has read the game) 'audit' my theory but it fits.

i asked you a question. why does me seeing the weirdness of don's play around shea make me scum as opposed to a townie who thought it genuinely saw something?

[Datisi]

Datisi are you willing to lim Delta today?

potentially. why are you in such a rush?

[Datisi]

Nothing concrete or rallying against what I'm saying

i laid out why your theory is working backwards from the conclusion, what are you talking about????

[Datisi]

I've taken the information available to me and come to a conclusion

you went the other way around.

but alright then, i have no interest talking to a wall.

[Datisi]

I've taken the information available to me and come to a conclusion

you went the other way around.

but alright then, i have no interest talking to a wall.

Is this it, that's your defense?

It fits, and you can't defend it because I'm right. So you're going to disengage, chuck an ad hominem in there and hope that people recall my shitty argument on you D1.

Nurse won't but that doesn't matter because they're the SK, they'll just off you tonight.

bestie i showed you why your story is made to fit into the worldview you've chosen. you've ignored it. do you *want* me to engage with you more? why should i? you've shown no good faith towards me at all.

[Datisi]

ok

[Datisi]

sorry for inactivity - yesterday was Weird and now i'm sick in bed with a (what is probably) stomach flu

skimming a bit so i don't get booted, i would probably vote for delta rather than nurse. like the quickhammer yesterday almost feels too risky and as i said i don't think delta is genuinely evaluating me here. i don't think his thoughts are fake bc scum wants to vote out other scum but

idk how the fact he's now voting nurse fits into this

yes i am aware this means the look for scum is even more difficult since they can honestly scumhunt, or like more honestly than in a basic setup, and nurse kinda isn't doing that

i don't think i should be clearing fire/sheep but i am not in the position to actually reevsl them rn

[Datisi]

lmao

[Datisi]

gg fire, glad you won even tho you murdered my entire team

thank for mod

[Datisi]

i twon

[Datisi]

@jasonwazza i don't need any redactions