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[furtiveglance]

Hey everyone, looking forward to this game

I'm just disproving the greeting the game tell don't mind me

[furtiveglance]

Hey everyone, looking forward to this game

I'm just disproving the greeting the game tell don't mind me

No RVS vote?

VOTE: furtiveglance

You found the other gamestart tell that I am living disproof of.

[furtiveglance]

disproving the greeting the game tell

ooh what a fun idea
ok everyone instead of voting randomly i will now commence a sitewide study to test the hypothesis that not voting in your first post is scummy (the best operationalization of the greeting tell i can do atm)
it'll be a lot of work but i can't think of a single reason to think it's not the best possible use of my free time
please stand by for a complete outline of the methodology

VOTE: furtiveglance though bc i did another study a while ago and confirmed that expressing fun ideas in mafia games is scummy

In that case, you're probably town based on how fun your idea is

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: Random Nurse

didnt even THANK me when i signed up for this game when it really needed players what the hey hey is up with that

Listen—I was on a mission.

No time for pleasantries along the way.

But yeah thanks for coming. I was the first to /in and got tired of waiting for months and months.

this is what i wanted btw

nurse town

You wanted RN to explain that they were recruiting players and thank you for joining? Why is that, of all posts, town?

[furtiveglance]

ok ok ok let's see if i can do this

Hey everyone, looking forward to this game

I'm just disproving the greeting the game tell don't mind me

I THINK this this post represents an attempt at displacing the question of whether furtive is scummy with the question of whether the greeting tell is a worthwhile tell or not.
The answer to the latter question is easily assumed to be "no", and in this context is easy to mistake as an answer to the question of whether furtive is scummy!
but these are distinct questions
furtive you wily rascal

hmm no that's not very good, even for page 2

i think i might really find furtive scummy because his post on page 1 is a much

better

post if he's scum -- it's ironic and thus more funny. objectively!
if we assume that furtive is a person with good taste (and i think we can though only time will tell), then he is correspondingly more likely to have posted it if he were scum than if he were town.
and being more likely to come from scum than from town is what it means for an action scummy!

yeah that's better. im really proud of myself
but alas even this revised justification for my vote is not very good!
would a bored member of the audience be willing to explain why?

I do consider myself a person of good taste, part of the joke was that I knew someone would vote me for my post and it's funny it they (you) are wrong!

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: Random Nurse

didnt even THANK me when i signed up for this game when it really needed players what the hey hey is up with that

Listen—I was on a mission.

No time for pleasantries along the way.

But yeah thanks for coming. I was the first to /in and got tired of waiting for months and months.

this is what i wanted btw

nurse town

You wanted RN to explain that they were recruiting players and thank you for joining? Why is that, of all posts, town?

yeah i wonder how something not related to the game in the slightest could result in any read at all unless… i was joking??? no way

Ok, well I didn't pick up on that sarcasm, disproving yet another tell (nsg tell). I'm on fire this game!

[furtiveglance]

I do think scum self vote. I don't think describing FL's style being 'coasting' to be accurate at all. He's not gonna keep only talking about one piece, he'll want to play bc he he likes to play. All this early panic seems unwarranted

okay I'll have to post my logic for the flavor leaf townread:

premise one: self-voting is anti-town
premise B: Flavor Leaf self-voted early Day 1
premise triangle: scum would not want to make risky plays early Day 1
conclusion: Flavor Leaf town

pedit: your self-vote and self-scumcase gambit

Self-voting is hardly risky.

Agree with both of these, but can I ask Merlyn what the 'panic' you speak of is? Is that people scumreading FL?

[furtiveglance]

scum need to scumhunt in a multiball

It's not the priority though, is it?

Surely FL would be more motivated to scumhunt as town than as scum?

To make my own position clear, I'm leaning scum more than town, but I can also see them doing it as town.

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Agree with both of these, but can I ask Merlyn what the 'panic' you speak of is? Is that people scumreading FL?

It was BBMolla's post that made me say it, but I mean more like I was getting the impression that folks felt it was urgent to sort FL either way, and I don't feel the same urgency. Pysche did say something to the effect that folks were just happy to have something other than RVS to talk about and if that's what's going on I get it

Yeah Psyche was probably right

[furtiveglance]

Furtive. You pop in with some bangers but what's your current stance as a whole.

I'll be honest I kinda just ctrl+F'd my own name instead of reading up fully

What's the raging debate now?

[furtiveglance]

Furtive. You pop in with some bangers but what's your current stance as a whole.

I'll be honest I kinda just ctrl+F'd my own name instead of reading up fully

What's the raging debate now?

I'd rather not spoonfeed you, I'd prefer if you read on your own

Ok

[furtiveglance]

Jesters aren't normal-permitted yeah?

You think I'm so incredibly scummy that I have to be a Jester?

[furtiveglance]

Jesters aren't normal-permitted yeah?

You think I'm so incredibly scummy that I have to be a Jester?

I wasn't referring to you, but you being so self aware is another point to add to the list

Who's the Jester then

[furtiveglance]

Furtive responding like that to me talking about a jester is an awful look for them

You were voting for me at the time...

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: furtiveglance

confident in a furtive lim

Ok I'm slightly concerned by the momentum here. I can assure you I'd be a great lim today (for scum)

[furtiveglance]

Furtive, what are your reads on BBm, Psyche, and Hu Tao?

Curse your eagerness! I was just gonna do some reads (not on these players though...)

BBmolla - MS Royalty (I'll try not to fanboi too much, but one of the first forum games I read was Kill All Townies - the Werewolf win where a Mafia Goon claimed Doctor and it was chaos lol). I'm not sure how much I believe the claim or take it as a serious one per se, but I think I agree with the TRs here (and they're so unanimous that I feel ok trusting them)

Psyche's definitely been performative, but I quite enjoyed the stand-up-esque act at the start of the game, and saw it more as towny excitement to start the game than anything else. Who likes being scum that much?

Hu Tao hasn't done much yet, right? FL called them scummy on a meta read at one point. I can see the overwhelmed stuff being true, but also it's not really enough for me to townread them, so I'll say null.

[furtiveglance]

I'm not backing down on that vote

furtive is scum 200%

Is this a slightly jokey 200? I'm hoping it's slightly jokey

[furtiveglance]

Random and sudden thread distraction!!

The game's long enough already...

[furtiveglance]

can you explain those reads any more

I'll still keep my vote on you but I have a hard time believing those reads

pedit: 200% means a probability of 2 (where 0 means impossibility and 1 means certainty)

To be honest, I can't really. They're not very deep reads. If I had to pick one for scum it would be Hu Tao, but I don't really scumread them either.

[furtiveglance]

I really do think we’re a town trio, JV/TL.

I’m somewhat liking Furtive, but if I remember correctly, when they were scum, I defended them a lot. I could not be remembering correctly.

Which game?

[furtiveglance]

Bros got a hard on for pressure.

[furtiveglance]

Right, to give my own (probably unwanted) thoughts on a potential townblock, I'm happy with BBmolla, TL (serious but in a good way), JV (obvtown) and Psyche (charisma points). FL leaning town but probably least strong on, but they did suggest it so they can be in it, like the kid who brings the football.

I'm now gonna comment on two players I have seen posting/being talked about:

Shrek seems a bit sus to me. Their ideas seem quite involved, almost too in depth too early. Like the 225 comment about Psyche/Klazam pairing just seems a bit left field as well. Also the tone is hard to read, they seem sometimes amused/jokey sometimes serious.

Klazam's posts so far are probably in anyone's scumrange, and don't really seem town necessarily. But like with Hu Tao, could just be town as well.

[furtiveglance]

You say I'm obvtown. Please expand on that I don't like the fact I've been town-read this easily and without proper reason. Feels like an easy read to throw out

You came into the thread with the same ideas I had, like I would think something and scroll down and you'd said it. Also, you're being that one town that drowns the thread because they're enjoying the game so much

[furtiveglance]

Furtive, what are your reads on BBm, Psyche, and Hu Tao?

Curse your eagerness! I was just gonna do some reads (not on these players though...)

BBmolla - MS Royalty (I'll try not to fanboi too much, but one of the first forum games I read was Kill All Townies - the Werewolf win where a Mafia Goon claimed Doctor and it was chaos lol). I'm not sure how much I believe the claim or take it as a serious one per se, but I think I agree with the TRs here (and they're so unanimous that I feel ok trusting them)

Kill All Townies is one of my less good setups I think, seems pretty scumsided, idk if adding the two townies fixed it.

Yeah I mean like all multiball, it's insanely swingy, and unless town have really good accuracy they'll get overrun soon into the game, but I still like it

[furtiveglance]

I’ve really liked furtive a lot the past few pages.

Like I get the paranoia on my slot to only be able to lean town tentatively.

I’ve just gotten away with too much as scum it’s hard not to BOP me.

It’s annoying, but I get it. But I can rally a town like no other, put me in coach when it’s time, and I’ll score.

No, my read on you isn't paranoia, nor do I have much of an idea of your scumgame. To my mind now I think it's just Conception we played in together. My read is based on the self-vote to defuse the wagon

[furtiveglance]

Bianco's just gonna cop me tonight anyways

She can Cop me instead.

Confirmed PLUS 2-Shot Bulletproof?

Yeah, let's do that.

Are you claiming SK? Who puts a town 2s BP in

[furtiveglance]

I can also vote Bianco btw, early (P2 vote) posting was slightly strange in my eyes

[furtiveglance]

Furtive town reads me so hard

Erm akshually no

[furtiveglance]

Hey everyone, just looking forward to this game.

Just disproving the greeting tell don't mind me

You stole my opener!

in fact I can point to 19 as proof that 28 is planned and not a thoughtstream, but still this is a less than worthless tone read right now

You can point at the post where he says he plans to give reasons on p2 to prove that the post on p2 with reasons is planned, yeah

@Psyche, are you like, being this overly wordy as a joke or something? I think it is some absurdist joke

Taking Psyche too serious maybe? Or just acting confused when there wasn't much to be confused about

VOTE: Psyche

way too serious for my liking

Idk there, I think you have been by far the seriousest player...

This is just true

I have no idea why someone would claim motion detector in RVS

They didn't tbf :shrug:

They claimed "some boring stuff like 2-sMD". There are plenty of boring stuff even if this isn't a throwaway joke

in fact I can point to 19 as proof that 28 is planned and not a thoughtstream, but still this is a less than worthless tone read right now

You can point at the post where he says he plans to give reasons on p2 to prove that the post on p2 with reasons is planned, yeah

@Psyche, are you like, being this overly wordy as a joke or something? I think it is some absurdist joke

caffeine yo. hell of a drug. pls wagon furtive with me. for the absurdist joke.

No can do, instead I'll chose completely at random.

VOTE: Furtive

Uh, what a coincidence.

Voting me, unforgiveable

But srsly it's one of those jokey votes that scum sometimes make

[furtiveglance]

Also I have a hard-on for blue maf chat cuz it's the new colour for maf and I'm quirky like that

I feel so uncool as blue mafia, I told everyone in the PT to call me Alpha Wolf

[furtiveglance]

WELCOME Citizens of

LARGE NORMAL 244!!!

It's me, the one, definitely the only

LEAF

that brings the

BEEF

,

FLAVORRRRRRRR

This...is

LAST NIGHT TOMORROW

Jackson
Furtive
Temporal

Ducky
Merlyn
Davesaz?

Psyche
KittyTacky

Bob
iamveryhappy
Flavia
Naerys
Shadowez

Save The Dragons
Hu Tao
Bianco
Snivy
Klazam

ZZzx
BBmolla
Random Nurse
Shrek

Town

-

Lean Town/color]

-

Light Town

-

Neutral

-

Light Scum/color]

-

Lean Scum

-

SCUM

This list helps me, not because of the order of players, but because it introduces me to players I didn't realise were in the game

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This list helps me, not because of the order of players, but because it introduces me to players I didn't realise were in the game

i choked on my drink, HARD same

i have like 70 issues with the fact i'm gonna temporarily blindly sheep this vote,
but, uh,
VOTE: bianco

What issues?

[furtiveglance]

This list helps me, not because of the order of players, but because it introduces me to players I didn't realise were in the game

i choked on my drink, HARD same

i have like 70 issues with the fact i'm gonna temporarily blindly sheep this vote,
but, uh,
VOTE: bianco

What issues?

remind me to circle back to this in a few (irl) days i'm not really motivated to answer it right now

how are your reads going?

Fine, still working on them. A lot of players I need to read more of

[furtiveglance]

fair enough. anything particularly noteworthy?

VOTE: bianco

Here's a vote

[furtiveglance]

13 new pages what the hell happened

Flavour Leaf started organising like a young Barack Obama

[furtiveglance]

Happy birthday!

[furtiveglance]

Spoiler: Progression of worst on Temporal

Which really has me conflicted ngl. As tonally they seem town but their content is telling me they're fake

i don't really buy that faking logic is a scumtell tbh scum are generally motivated to fake everything *except* logic

i'm not really convinced i'm right on townpura but that's a read i don't really think i care to reevaluate on d1

i think that's kind of where i'm at with tl. it's either authentic moonlogic or logic and i don't really care which, i don't see a way to assess the motivation of it and i'm not going to bend myself into a pretzel over it when i don't really think tl is scummy anyway

but I will say this

UNVOTE:

Klazam seems town now with the recent posts

what did u like about them

I actually liked how worst was willing to question Temporal on their read on me even given earlier stance on how worst thought Temp was not the place to go today, instead of doubling down and ignoring Temp.

I'm happy to townread Klazam and 'townception' the worst for this

[furtiveglance]

i'm in skim mode too we're kind of stuck

let's start a really spicy wagon

I'd like to keep pressure on bianco, at least for a bit. Besides, we have 8 days.

[furtiveglance]

Couldn't find anything especially useful in these last ten pages. How sad.

Opinions on that wily rascal furtiveglance? (talking about self in third person/self-awareness tells disproved)

[furtiveglance]

I think ur pushing for furtive does not make much sense.

He just wants to see how funny my joke was. (It was funny)

[furtiveglance]

22 pages overnight??? y'all are crazy I'm not reading any of that

If you ISO everyone but FL/TL/JV, it cuts out a lot. Then just ISO the three of them together.

Smart

[furtiveglance]

FL doesn’t think I’m scum lmfao

This doesn't seem like a scumslip to me, just because FL has been theorising BBmolla as scum. So it seems like BBmolla is questioning/dismissing that. If FL had been townreading BBmolla, yes it would look like a slip.

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FL doesn’t think I’m scum lmfao

This doesn't seem like a scumslip to me, just because FL has been theorising BBmolla as scum. So it seems like BBmolla is questioning/dismissing that. If FL had been townreading BBmolla, yes it would look like a slip.

This is what has me questioning it. I think I said it too, but if FL wasn't SR BBmolla, it would be much clearer. However, there was nothing in the convo happening at the time to make that post make any sense in thread either. While it could be another day chat (Masons, eg), that post definitely seems like it was meant to be inserted into a conversation that wasn't happening here.

I see what you mean, but sometimes players do that when they're catching up. It could also be a reference to FL's 'furtive townreads me' joke

[furtiveglance]

Right - so how does that explain your post?

ill let you ponder on that until you figure it out

Why did you randomly discredit his read

Why is it funny to you

[furtiveglance]

Page 13, I give up on reading the moment I saw 1 more page pop in

I will iso one player or two now (except the big 3 with 5000 posts)

who should I iso first? Taking suggestions

Shrek and iavh

[furtiveglance]

I like that iavh post, and I also think Shrek is sus. It seems that bianco is getting replaced, so in the interest of keeping the game dynamic...

VOTE: Shrek

[furtiveglance]

Why is Shrek ever a wagon here

Guide me, Alpha Wolf

[furtiveglance]

I like that iavh post, and I also think Shrek is sus. It seems that bianco is getting replaced, so in the interest of keeping the game dynamic...

VOTE: Shrek

Why do you believe Shrek is sus?

It was partly a tonal read, based on their early posts.

I'm not married to the vote, just saw a chance at a bit of momentum. I'll happily be a double-voter for you if you want.

[furtiveglance]

both flavor leaf and ZZZX are on the Shrek wagon so I highly doubt that flavor leaf and ZZZX is TvT

Two town could never vote together because???

[furtiveglance]

im good with shrek wagon. They probs scum

VOTE: Shrek

I'm infinitely disappointed in you. What makes Shrek scum? They're probably one of my stronger TRs as it stands

This is rude af.

Dont fucking guilt trip me.

I have talked about my Shrek read before, and you clearly saw them towards the bottom of my last reads list, and you know that Furtive is one of my stronger town reads.

Like really? This was the time for you to say something like this to me right after I went through that with ZZZx and derp Lich derp voted?

It do be a game tho

[furtiveglance]

I feel like I've disagreed with TL so much this game that the only explanation is that they're just a very eccentric old mage rather than scum being deliberately contrarian.

[furtiveglance]

i have zero control in this game, and thats the biggest town Flavor tell in existence.

Scum Flavor games, I am control.

Just calm it down a bit

[furtiveglance]

here's my PoE as of current time: Flavor Leaf, BBmolla, Psyche, furtiveglance, Hu Tao, iamveryhappy

I'm confident that Flavor Leaf and BBmolla are scum, however.

Is that for the 'slip'?

[furtiveglance]

I think the amount of posts this game is anti-town.

23 players tho. Also, just agreeing to smoke the player hardest to read based on meta would be super unfun.

[furtiveglance]

People are so obsessed with me this game.

I don't think it's warranted.

Scum big threatened

me when two mafia championships finalists from my site team up and bulli me
Note: don't do scummy things and come back and ask "why are you so obsessed w/me uwu"
I think Jackson told me to follow up or smth so here you go
VOTE: FlavoUr Leaf

VOTE: Happy

This is wolf. They keep shifting things. First they put the safety-hat on their posts to brace themselves for possible backlash, and now they're shifting the responsibility onto

ME

I townread JV
VOTE: iamveryhappy

[furtiveglance]

People are so obsessed with me this game.

I don't think it's warranted.

Scum big threatened

me when two mafia championships finalists from my site team up and bulli me
Note: don't do scummy things and come back and ask "why are you so obsessed w/me uwu"
I think Jackson told me to follow up or smth so here you go
VOTE: FlavoUr Leaf

VOTE: Happy

This is wolf. They keep shifting things. First they put the safety-hat on their posts to brace themselves for possible backlash, and now they're shifting the responsibility onto

ME

I townread JV
VOTE: iamveryhappy

Is the reason for following because you TR me? Or, does this post make you TR me? Or?

The first one. This post is fine in itself, but I already TRed you. Remember, you didn't like me TRing you and wanted me to explain it.

Anyway, massive game, I'd like to be in good company on a wagon (12 votes to eliminate) and iavh's post didn't strike me as town.

[furtiveglance]

I made a table, I like tables as tables are like spreadsheets and I like spreadsheets.
This is roughly where I am. I wanna put more focus on my null-tiers as it's pretty chonker at the moment.
That's my main issue as town is that I don't really broaden myself that much.

Position	Players
Town-read	FL
Town-lean	Shrek, dave, Klazam, TL, shadow
Null-town	Ducky, Merlyn, Naerys
Null	Pisskop, Hu Tao, Kitty, STD, Flavia, bob, ZZZ, bbmolla
Null-scum
Scum-lean	Camel, Random Nurse, Psyche
Scum-read	Happy

I don't even exist to you?

[furtiveglance]

I knew someone would vote me for my post and it's funny it they (you) are wrong!

So what did you get out of the whole show then?

I got a kick out of it

[furtiveglance]

so yeah, if you're wondering why I am overconfident and arrogant when it comes to reads, it's to avoid waffling accusations

You actually seem really conflicted/changeable in your stances

[furtiveglance]

Here's some reads on lesser-talked about players:

Town
the worst
Merlyn
ZZZX

Null
Naerys
shaddowez

Scum
davesaz

[furtiveglance]

Here's some reads on lesser-talked about players:

Town
the worst
Merlyn
ZZZX

Null
Naerys
shaddowez

Scum
davesaz

cmon, elaborate
otherwise what's the point

Mostly tonal reads. It was also kind of for my own benefit just to remember what I think

[furtiveglance]

david - no content but i like the impression of iavh dislike the impression of flavor

What do you think my impression of Flavor is?

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VOTE: JacksonVirgo pagetop this

VOTE: camelCasedSnivy

This voting is a red flag for me

[furtiveglance]

*waves a giant flag for attention*

vote ZZZX people it's fun and good

um um um

FL town JV town TL town BBmol town

Why not join the IAVH wagon then?

[furtiveglance]

i dunno how i feel about IAVH

i know how i feel about ZZZX

[furtiveglance]

david - no content but i like the impression of iavh dislike the impression of flavor

What do you think my impression of Flavor is?

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VOTE: JacksonVirgo pagetop this

VOTE: camelCasedSnivy

This voting is a red flag for me

You haven't seen an old guy smack a youngster to get their attention?
Yeah, I know that isn't politically correct any more.

Who are you smacking?

[furtiveglance]

Welcome replacements

[furtiveglance]

Who are you smacking?

Umm, the people being voted... Did you look at it in context or in iso?

So your votes were to get their attention?

[furtiveglance]

Here's some reads on lesser-talked about players:

Town
the worst
Merlyn
ZZZX

Null
Naerys
shaddowez

Scum
davesaz

dave is groan worthy but i havent seen anything explicitly scummy on his end. is there like a tipping point i should read?

There isn't really 1 post in particular, it was more the whole ISO and votes. 1214 maybe? It seems like a bit of a cheap shot/obvious thing to point out

[furtiveglance]

Here's some reads on lesser-talked about players:

Town
the worst
Merlyn
ZZZX

Null
Naerys
shaddowez

Scum
davesaz

I did see you mean tonally for the reason. Can you quote what you like/don't like (hopefully I get this drilled into you that it's a requirement soon)?
I quite like shadow all things considered and I'm not entirely sure how you see dave.

I don't really want to do this for all of them, tbh. Not least because I'm lazy. But also because if I quoted every post that made me think town or scum, someone would go "why is that post town or scum to you" and I'd just say that's how I read it.

I'm not really that fussed about sorting every player thoroughly on D1 of a 23P game. I think I've got a decent group of townreads, and am voting with most of them right now.

[furtiveglance]

of course you missed it lol
VOTE: JacksonVirgo
this guy really wants a vote on me now after that post, hmmm I don't know why

this post is very scummy and I think iavh should be the lim today

I do agree, I can't really comprehend how you could hold a scumread on JV if you've been reading

[furtiveglance]

I love how ppl know I'm easily pushed around and manipulable and try to build a wagon on me becayse I buckle under pressure and now I won't be able to say anything towny so I get yeeted which is good for all of the factions except for town. i mean town too, maybe. The vote is like a vig shot that just clears me.
when I die you all die
me dying is guaranteed so yeah you all die
except maybe le bulletproofs

Are you claiming some kind of Death Mass-Exploder or something? Or vengeful?

[furtiveglance]

of course you missed it lol
VOTE: JacksonVirgo
this guy really wants a vote on me now after that post, hmmm I don't know why

this post is very scummy and I think iavh should be the lim today

I do agree, I can't really comprehend how you could hold a scumread on JV if you've been reading

I haven't been reading and don't scum read JV lol.

You're just outside of the venn diagram

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Frankly, one thing BBm and I can agree with is don’t care too much who ya fade on Day 1, just find someone you think isn’t townie and fade them.

If they flip town, it’s really not the end of the world. 55%+ is good odds on a Day 1

That's why we should fade duckyboi

I think the duck's been fairly towny

[furtiveglance]

I'm starting to read up now and I'm going to post my thoughts periodically until I get tired of catching up.

Spoiler: ZZZX

To be honest I wana jump on Psyc but I have a better idea

Hmmmm do we think the "to be honest" tell is worth anything?

Tbh not really

[furtiveglance]

If we aren’t going Happy, I’d rather Snivy tbh tell

I still want to go happy - why don't you anymore?

[furtiveglance]

also known as look at my jolteon it's not happy at all, so iavh is not happy at all.

Can you explain why we're all gonna die if we vote you?

[furtiveglance]

iavh is in the middle at worst lmao

All your opinions are so strange this game

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why do people not like snivy? i think they're towny?

chat

chat is this a pocket

It does seem a bit strange for the worst not to comment on your push on them here.

[furtiveglance]

I usually agree with CSF more than I do with her current readlist. The only question I have is: why JacksonVirgo in the lowest tier?

[furtiveglance]

why do people not like snivy? i think they're towny?

chat

chat is this a pocket

It does seem a bit strange for the worst not to comment on your push on them here.

i'm not super interested in it. i feel a kind of impostor syndrome when i'm posting in a game i'm not interested in, so i'm aware that i feel flat & underwhelming when i'm v/la and not reading the thread. i think it's reasonable for town to be wary of that and i think it's easy for scum to take advantage of that.

unfortunately it doesn't really help me solve snivy, and i'm not like, threatened by it so i wasn't compelled to talk about it

Ok. I'm not really scumreading you overall, dw (pocket-ception )

[furtiveglance]

I think ZZZX / Hu Tao wagons are preferable to IAVH / ZZZX

I played against town!IAVH as scum in schadd's baseball game, and they seemed like limbait. He was one of the few mislims our team managed to push through in an otherwise really strong town

Right, we should never vote for IAVH in any game then based on this argument...

[furtiveglance]

and I actually think Aisa is scummier for joining the ZZZX wagon with no good reason

It could just be stubbornness at being placed in a certain group and then wanting to vote with that group in a tribalistic way.

So I guess I can see another explanation.

[furtiveglance]

I usually agree with CSF more than I do with her current readlist. The only question I have is: why JacksonVirgo in the lowest tier?

1509

what are the other major reads you disagree with?

Random Nurse hasn't been remotely towny.

[furtiveglance]

I think I like furtive for town

Thanks. In the interest of transparency, I'll say that you're null/scum for me right now.

[furtiveglance]

staring harder at the iavh wagon it is on the 16th-highest poster itt, and includes all top posters from #1-#4 along with #11 & #14..

iamveryhappy (#16): Shrek (#11), furtiveglance (#4), JacksonVirgo (#1), Flavor Leaf (#2), TemporalLich (#3), pisskop (#14)


i can't tell if i'm just super blind about iavh or if this wagon is just, like, too cohesive against too boring a target to feel like a hit?

[furtiveglance]

Wow retracted

You've been a bit coasty...

[furtiveglance]

iamveryhappy (6): Shrek, furtiveglance, JacksonVirgo, Flavor Leaf, TemporalLich, pisskop
ZZZX (5): Save the Dragons, Naerys, Cat Scratch Fever, the worst, Hu Tao

here's the thing, i like STD going here, Naerys makes sense based on them wanting to go on early Flavor voters, the other 3 look like they're taking advantage of that and have higher equity of trying to save Iamvh.

I don't think all 3 are scum, but I could see Hu Tao as one scum, and then CSF or the W as another trying to save partner iamvh.

In a game this size, is it optimal to try and save your partner early? Seems not worth being tied to them. I could be wrong though, my first game of this size

Yeah. It's worth remembering as well that scum can be voting the other scumteam.

[furtiveglance]

I think ZZZX / Hu Tao wagons are preferable to IAVH / ZZZX

I played against town!IAVH as scum in schadd's baseball game, and they seemed like limbait. He was one of the few mislims our team managed to push through in an otherwise really strong town

Right, we should never vote for IAVH in any game then based on this argument...

I don't think this was my argument at all. I'm just not really convinced by the points made against him because it doesn't seem like he can be read by how he reacts since he can react kind of weirdly

You can see that it was all you gave as your argument, because it's right there in the quote. The logic looks like:

1) This user's wagon is not preferable
because
2) This user seems like limbait based on a previous game

[furtiveglance]

I don't think Duck/CSF is T/T.

I'm townreading the duck, quite a lot

[furtiveglance]

Anyway, I've now read up to page 25 and I haven't seen you explicitly say what made you change your mind between 310 and 368. Do you remember, and, if so, care to share?

I think this is a townpost.

[furtiveglance]

WAIT THERE ARE TWO SCUM TEAMS IN THIS......OMG This game just became so much more interesting to me.

[furtiveglance]

and I actually think Aisa is scummier for joining the ZZZX wagon with no good reason

It could just be stubbornness at being placed in a certain group and then wanting to vote with that group in a tribalistic way.

Wow k thanks for the high praise

You say I'm obvtown. Please expand on that I don't like the fact I've been town-read this easily and without proper reason. Feels like an easy read to throw out

You came into the thread with the same ideas I had, like I would think something and scroll down and you'd said it. Also, you're being that one town that drowns the thread because they're enjoying the game so much

Can you give an example of these same ideas

I'll clarify by saying this includes ideas I thought of but didn't say because I wasn't 100% sure on, or maybe a low-strength read to put it differently.
217 - I also thought Klazam's 69 was a little strange, though I've come round a TR on them now.

220

237

[furtiveglance]

Ok thanks. I have no idea what to make of this right now but I'll come back to it at some point.

Also, it was a clever trick to get me to look at a 300+ post ISO

[furtiveglance]

And did you learn anything from looking at it?

Well, I didn't - just the first when I was mindmelding earlier in the game. But JV is still my biggest townread.

[furtiveglance]

Kitty is a gut thing. I like to trust my gut with Kitty, and I feel really good about it considering I caught them as scum recently, and then correctly town read in another.

They havent really done anything super townie

, but they get pushed a lot, and I instinctively like to defend them in a way where I think the pushes on them are NAI, and then if I see content from Kitty, I generally town read it because their scum postings shine out to me hard.

Technically true!

[furtiveglance]

This is the full post for context in case people are not motivated to go back and read it
Kitty got placed in the "Light Town" tier lmfao

Spoiler:

WELCOME Citizens of

LARGE NORMAL 244!!!

It's me, the one, definitely the only

LEAF

that brings the

BEEF

,

FLAVORRRRRRRR

This...is

LAST NIGHT TOMORROW

Jackson
Furtive
Temporal

Ducky
Merlyn
Davesaz?

Psyche
KittyTacky

Bob
iamveryhappy
Flavia
Naerys
Shadowez

Save The Dragons
Hu Tao
Bianco
Snivy
Klazam

ZZzx
BBmolla
Random Nurse
Shrek

Town

-

Lean Town/color]

-

Light Town

-

Neutral

-

Light Scum/color]

-

Lean Scum

-

SCUM

No order between tiers.

I don't have a lot of confidence in my bottom two tiers, and I could make light town cases on a few of them, like Hu Tao, but I could also scum case most of these, or at least have gotten pinged or little real town reasons for em.

I don't think BBm is as townie as people are saying, and I think their play is exactly what Psyche was projecting that I was going to be doing with the coasting, but I also do think it's out their style to do it as town, and I'm also a bit biased since I know they're poorly pushing me incorrectly.

A top town read of mine scum read Snivy, and I don't have anything major to defend, so I'm open for it, and that's kind of how I realized I don't have any real thing to defend them with. I want to town read them, though, I just am not.

Bob tier is my neutral tier, either lack of posting or no true pings either way.

Daves I have liked a good amount of their posts, but I think I'm biased with how theyve been posting in regards to familiarity with me. Idk. I'm remembering liking their posts, I think I didn't like them early game, but I'm feeling okay with them, but I think it's biased. Does this make sense?

I really like my top tier, similar to how it was with the 3 of JV, me, and TL with Ducky, i feel with Furtive, but even moreso. Ducky is good, and I almost put them in the top tier, but probably need more.

Kitty is a gut thing. I like to trust my gut with Kitty, and I feel really good about it considering I caught them as scum recently, and then correctly town read in another. They havent really done anything super townie, but they get pushed a lot, and I instinctively like to defend them in a way where I think the pushes on them are NAI, and then if I see content from Kitty, I generally town read it because their scum postings shine out to me hard.

Pysche ive explained, i dont get their purpose if scum, but i wouldnt die on that hill. Am curious, though, because BBm is doing the thing they projected that I would be doing, which I talked about earlier.

()_+_)()_-_)()_+_)()_-_)()_+_)()_-_)()_+_)()_-_)()_+_)()_-_)()_+_)()_-_)()_+_)()_-_)()_+_)()_-_)()_+_)()_-_)()_+_)()_-_)

Will BBmolla ever realize their push isn't happening this early in the game?

How long will it be until TemporalLich starts making sense with their reads and play?

Is it even possible for Furtiveglance to town read me harder?!??!?!?

Find out next time on

LAST NIGHT TOMORROW!!!!!!!!

I actually have no idea what's happening
Is this a post I'm not meant to take seriously or what

He posted so much about Kitty

Yeah, I don't know how big of an issue this is.

I mean, I had sort of assumed that FL would be ISOing players for this post, which clearly wasn't the case.

Best case (most town) scenario is that FL was just giving thoughts without checking ISOs based on memory of players.

[furtiveglance]

This is the full post for context in case people are not motivated to go back and read it
Kitty got placed in the "Light Town" tier lmfao

Spoiler:

WELCOME Citizens of

LARGE NORMAL 244!!!

It's me, the one, definitely the only

LEAF

that brings the

BEEF

,

FLAVORRRRRRRR

This...is

LAST NIGHT TOMORROW

Jackson
Furtive
Temporal

Ducky
Merlyn
Davesaz?

Psyche
KittyTacky

Bob
iamveryhappy
Flavia
Naerys
Shadowez

Save The Dragons
Hu Tao
Bianco
Snivy
Klazam

ZZzx
BBmolla
Random Nurse
Shrek

Town

-

Lean Town/color]

-

Light Town

-

Neutral

-

Light Scum/color]

-

Lean Scum

-

SCUM

No order between tiers.

I don't have a lot of confidence in my bottom two tiers, and I could make light town cases on a few of them, like Hu Tao, but I could also scum case most of these, or at least have gotten pinged or little real town reasons for em.

I don't think BBm is as townie as people are saying, and I think their play is exactly what Psyche was projecting that I was going to be doing with the coasting, but I also do think it's out their style to do it as town, and I'm also a bit biased since I know they're poorly pushing me incorrectly.

A top town read of mine scum read Snivy, and I don't have anything major to defend, so I'm open for it, and that's kind of how I realized I don't have any real thing to defend them with. I want to town read them, though, I just am not.

Bob tier is my neutral tier, either lack of posting or no true pings either way.

Daves I have liked a good amount of their posts, but I think I'm biased with how theyve been posting in regards to familiarity with me. Idk. I'm remembering liking their posts, I think I didn't like them early game, but I'm feeling okay with them, but I think it's biased. Does this make sense?

I really like my top tier, similar to how it was with the 3 of JV, me, and TL with Ducky, i feel with Furtive, but even moreso. Ducky is good, and I almost put them in the top tier, but probably need more.

Kitty is a gut thing. I like to trust my gut with Kitty, and I feel really good about it considering I caught them as scum recently, and then correctly town read in another. They havent really done anything super townie, but they get pushed a lot, and I instinctively like to defend them in a way where I think the pushes on them are NAI, and then if I see content from Kitty, I generally town read it because their scum postings shine out to me hard.

Pysche ive explained, i dont get their purpose if scum, but i wouldnt die on that hill. Am curious, though, because BBm is doing the thing they projected that I would be doing, which I talked about earlier.

()_+_)()_-_)()_+_)()_-_)()_+_)()_-_)()_+_)()_-_)()_+_)()_-_)()_+_)()_-_)()_+_)()_-_)()_+_)()_-_)()_+_)()_-_)()_+_)()_-_)

Will BBmolla ever realize their push isn't happening this early in the game?

How long will it be until TemporalLich starts making sense with their reads and play?

Is it even possible for Furtiveglance to town read me harder?!??!?!?

Find out next time on

LAST NIGHT TOMORROW!!!!!!!!

I actually have no idea what's happening
Is this a post I'm not meant to take seriously or what

He posted so much about Kitty

Yeah, I don't know how big of an issue this is.

I mean, I had sort of assumed that FL would be ISOing players for this post, which clearly wasn't the case.

Best case (most town) scenario is that FL was just giving thoughts without checking ISOs based on memory of players.

I mean, FL does reference posts by other players in the readslist. So it is kinda weird.

[furtiveglance]

That could be a TMI slip.

it cant because it's multiball. Scum don't know if another player is town or scum 100% because of it.

dave pretty obviously meant a slip that KT wasn't on your scumteam.

[furtiveglance]

i am tinfoiling Aisa a little bit for that push, but dont feel like going further with it, because i can see it as town. was a little silly, albeit a little fair.

It was completely fair.

[furtiveglance]

That could be a TMI slip.

it cant because it's multiball. Scum don't know if another player is town or scum 100% because of it.

dave pretty obviously meant a slip that KT wasn't on your scumteam.

how would that be TMI?

The usual, TRing a player who isn't on your team for no/bad reason.

[furtiveglance]

Drew seems town to me.

[furtiveglance]

starting to think Hu Tao is town

Do you have a poe of Psyche, furtiveglance and iamveryhappy by any chance

[furtiveglance]

starting to think Hu Tao is town

Do you have a poe of Psyche, furtiveglance and iamveryhappy by any chance

yes, those players are still in my PoE

[furtiveglance]

iavh just looks like he's doing whatever

Yeah, pretty much

Exactly lol

[furtiveglance]

Furtive might be town from the last few pages, I think I might've been wrong there

[furtiveglance]

I'm obviously going to be biased but I dislike that vote on me

Hu Tao is scumreading me for a gutread, but felt the need to qualify it by saying they can't explain it 3 times

That reads unnatural to me because gut reads are typically something that can't be explained anyway, so why feel the need to say that 3 times?

This is such an unusual game for me

Blood over utopia has done a number on some of y'all lol

For some reason

, I think you could be scum. It's a gut feeling, your posts don't seem genuine

for some reason

. But

I'm not sure why

VOTE: CatScratchFever

hmm nice catch

you're probably town then

as for Hu Tao... yeah idk if this is worth scumreading Hu Tao again over but that level of hesitation isn't towny

How is this a nice catch? It's a pretty easy observation to make that the post was repetitively unsure.

[furtiveglance]

Ok I think CSF is scum, here's why

Town

Random Nurse, Klazam, Flavor Leaf, the worst
Naerys, Psyche, Shrek, Save the Dragons, shaddowez, BBmolla, Doctor Drew
iamveryhappy, camelCasedSnivy, davesaz, bob3141, TemporalLich, pisskop

biancospino

-- idk/null tier
furtiveglance, Hu Tao, JacksonVirgo, ZZZX, Aisa

Merlyn

Scum

I'm all caught up, AMA

JV is in the bottom 5 slots here, out of 23 players. That's a scumread.

I ask him specifically cuz I can't remotely see how you can have him at a similar tier as FL

But you agree that Klazam and Random Nurse can be at the same tier?

Then CSF starts talking to JV

I personally don't have anybody as high as FL. Those two I can sorta get it, but ducky I don't have a read on at all and wanna get more to read them one way or another which is why I asked ducky first.

I don't think solving for tw today is super important, so the read is more vibes

But I thought about why I townread his progression and 1465 specifically other than "vibes~" - I think TL is in a position where people who townlean him are not going to be defending him super hard, and he's also scumread by a few folks iirc. He is not particularly difficult to eliminate today

So 1465 is a fairly in-depth read that I think scum would not bother to make at this juncture. They can sit back and be more lazy. And tw closes out the post with "i just have zero interest in trying to take an accurate guess at TL's alignment anymore," which is pretty funny after clearly putting a lot of thought into the slot and also probably comes from town

Does this look like a player talking to their scumread? It doesn't to me.

It started as just a feeling when you were questioning TL - I felt like TL was being weird town, and it seemed a bit like you were pushing him for his weird but not necessarily scummy stances.

Then you had a moment feel like you're pocketing FL by having the same read as him when you started townreading TL in 368. I call this out specifically because the progression didn't quite make sense to me. Did you start townreading TL between 350 and 368? Anyway, I feel like around that time (pg. 14-15), it was mostly FL interrogating TL to get a better read whereas I'm not sure how your questions there were designed to get a better read on him.

The "having the same read as FL" happened again in 1068. You almost feel like a chameleon where you change your stances when FL does

But a couple of other random posts pinged me:
749 felt strange to me. like up to that point, you pretty clearly townreading FL, so this post seemed performative

I also think posts like 1203 are how scum are likely to position around a TL lim. As in you don't want to be pushing a policy lim, but you aren't going to step in to stop it from happening either

holistically it ends up south of null for me

This post was the kicker for me. Big post explaining to JV why CSF scumread them. A lot of posts quoted, that should add up to a scumread, and maybe a vote. Nonsensical progressions, changing opinions to match FL, scum positioning around a TL lim. These are all serious charges! But then we just a get a 'south of null' conclusion. No vote, no suggestion of JV being a possible vote for CSF. Also, 'south of null' is far less severe than in the bottom 5 reads. So to me, it just looks like CSF wanted JV to see that she was scumreading/leaning them to get some town points and have a 'contrary' opinion.

If I come into a game and scumread a player who's widely townread, I'll go in quite hard and explain to other players why. Probably vote them as well. This treatment of JV just looks so weird to me.

Anyway, here's a vote to show my convictions.

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

[furtiveglance]

@Furt are you saying Town cannot converse with someone just because they’re SRing them?

They can, but in this instance it struck me as scummy. Also I saw a dissonance between where you were placed in CSF's reads and how she treated you.

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: Hu Tao

Bad vibes

[furtiveglance]

I'm not sure how to approach this game, feel like if I push a low-posting slot it's not guaranteed to reveal anything about the slot's alignment nor are there any low-posting slots where I'm like, confident they flip scum. But if I talk to active slots I'm just contributing to bloat and makes it hard to keep up

I wouldn't worry too much about bloat - we're all here to play after all.

[furtiveglance]

I'm not sure how to approach this game, feel like if I push a low-posting slot it's not guaranteed to reveal anything about the slot's alignment nor are there any low-posting slots where I'm like, confident they flip scum. But if I talk to active slots I'm just contributing to bloat and makes it hard to keep up

You seem genuine, I think you're town. Can you iso CSF and tell me if you think their posts seem authentic? For some reason they feel forced

I think you've sort of got your answer here, Aisa has been completely taken in unfortunately:

[...]
Even if I am suspicious of them, I doubt I am going to push them day 1 unless I am very confident as they are playing in a way that could get them night killed anyway

I got excited when I saw this because it's a strictly-town perspective. Like, sometimes in this game I see a post and think "I believe you are genuinely trying to scumhunt but this doesn't mean you're town". I really want this to be a true thought CSF had because that would mean she's town 100%.

Luckily, I'm not so easily suckered and am completely on the same page as you!

Now all we need is 10 more votes...

[furtiveglance]

Bob seems like scum to me so far

[furtiveglance]

I always find in extra large games the goal is not to kill town but chain execute teh town vigs, that 53 player large still gives me shudders lol

holy scumslip

VOTE: bob3141

I took this specific post as a joke, but still think Bob is scummy overall

[furtiveglance]

I'm happy with votes on IAVH, CSF or Bob at this stage.

[furtiveglance]

Catscratch*

Same. Also happy to compromise on IAVH if nothing else arises, because I don't think that slot will ever become towny in my eyes (if they keep posting the way they are currently).

[furtiveglance]

Psyche and ZZZx are missing from that readslist.

They moved out their partners to place them after they did everyone else, and forgot to place them.

Their reads list is entirely political.

TL is scum.

TL, explain?

[furtiveglance]

Psyche and ZZZx are missing from that readslist.

They moved out their partners to place them after they did everyone else, and forgot to place them.

Their reads list is entirely political.

TL is scum.

TL, explain?

I was hastily creating my lead rist as I was under threat of policy lim

On 2 votes?

It's not as if FL saying the word 'policy' is a trigger for every other player to vote...

[furtiveglance]

explain how voting a deepwolf on Day 1 isn't going to get me speedlimmed Day 2 even if said deepwolf actually flips scum

What

Are you arguing that we shouldn't vote CSF, even if she's scum, to prevent your D2 elimination? How does that make sense to you?

[furtiveglance]

I’ve always been a fan of policy elims d1 in large, fairly confident I’ve said this before, I think about Salamence20 in Marketplace Mafia 2/3

Policy eliminations shouldn't really be a thing. If a player breaks the rules, they should get modkilled. Otherwise, vote based on reads.

[furtiveglance]

explain how voting a deepwolf on Day 1 isn't going to get me speedlimmed Day 2 even if said deepwolf actually flips scum

What

Are you arguing that we shouldn't vote CSF, even if she's scum, to prevent your D2 elimination? How does that make sense to you?

it doesn't make any sense but that's what I said so I can't take it back unfortunately

With every post you seem more and more like a amateur stand-up comedian just trolling the hell out of this game and everyone in it

[furtiveglance]

anyone have any thoughts on CSF being scum (and not just a deepwolf)?

check my ISO

[furtiveglance]

Yeah Psyche is taking on a bit of a weird energy in their recent posts. It's so vastly different from what they came in with tonally

[furtiveglance]

Hu tao is so scummy lmao

Their scumread on me seems like starting from the conclusion and making things up after the fact

They did vote you first...then you omgussed.

[furtiveglance]

I'm townreading all of the ZZX wagon apart from STD.

I think nearly all of the scum aren't on the 2 main wagons right now.

[furtiveglance]

You too obsessed with me Psyche

I think you might be your own biggest fan...

Do you really think Psyche starts posting at you the way they have done just now if their teammate just fumbled the bag?

[furtiveglance]

Like, Psyche, let’s see it this way

Do i get high on my own supply? Helllll ya

But imma share my supply with everyone who wants it, so that my supply becomes their supply, and they get high on their supply, and we all together get high on

our

supply

The supply of love

And i just want everyone to look at themselves the way Boonskiies looks at Flavor.

Self love’s one of the best loves, and you seem like a hater, you gonna get that shred

You the screams in Monsters Inc

We the laughs that lead to more cohesion and better work life

This fits with the Miles Teller gif quite well

[furtiveglance]

Yeah you responded to the line about you and not to the one about Psyche

[furtiveglance]

You too obsessed with me Psyche

I think you might be your own biggest fan...

Do you really think Psyche starts posting at you the way they have done just now if their teammate just fumbled the bag?

Hell ya they do.

They have no choice if it’s true.

Do i really believe they slipped?

Eh, like 35% but that’s pretty damn good on Day 1, and it’s not even tinfoil at this point, it’s just a possible explanation

You have to admit, from an outsider's perspective, it's about as likely that TL forgot his teammates as it is that you townread KittyTacky for not being on your scumteam despite having 0 posts.

[furtiveglance]

ZZX, what's with the certainty on FL?

Also, can more people unvote, I don't want to end the day yet (even though ZZX has kind of sealed their fate with the vanilla claim).

[furtiveglance]

in fact, I don't think I've gotten free town read at all this game.

The town reads I've gotten, I've earned through interacting with players and showing my thought process on different slots throughout the day.

In addition to this, I already had ZZZx in my lower tiers of reads, and weakening my spot makes a lot of sense from a scum ZZZx pov.

Ok, If you know me, you know there is one thing I scum hunt with, and one thing I hate more than everything,

Bullshit.

And this post, smells very very badly of that.

I don't particularly care if you scum read me or not, but if you are town, then show me your thought process here, or I am starting to believe this is indeed scum Flavor.

like this all just looks like false bravado.

I have been showing thought process.

It does look like you care if you are scum read.

And it looks like youre trying to threaten now because I'm putting pressure on you.

I have put my point, very,

VERY

clearly.

And you keep evading it, and talking about false bravado, when you know me and how I play, in an attempt to discredit me.

I am

not

afraid, good pal I am more than happy to have more pressure on me to move the game along, and to find the scum, and I am beginning to suspect I might. Because your blind insistence here just makes no sense otherwise.

VOTE: Flavor

p-edit I will reply in a seperate post

It kind of looks like the mutual scumreads here came about as a result of escalating measures, like reciprocally calling each other more and more scum. Could very well be T/T.

[furtiveglance]

everyone but the explicit townreads
but in general im really picky about scumspects
i say picky but ideal word is probably less...agentic

Your way of posting this game is so strange.

It feels like coded language.

Agreed, especially compared to the energy from the first few pages

[furtiveglance]

i dunno how to reply
yeah im a weird guy

I feel we never followed up from page 2...what's your read on me now? Mine on you is a bit unsure/null maybe

[furtiveglance]

The other reason I want to extend this day is because I want to dump a massive readslist into the thread

[furtiveglance]

The other reason I want to extend this day is because I want to dump a massive readslist into the thread

I'll be able to do this in about 6 hours, pls wait until then before hammering

[furtiveglance]

Ok, I had reasons. But my laptop is terrible, and I didn't want to type everything up again. Just ask if any specific player-related questions.

Spoiler: Town

JacksonVirgo
Flavor Leaf
Aisa
Shrek
Naerys
Klazam

Spoiler: Townlean

Pisskop
Hu Tao
the worst
shaddowez
TemporalLich
Psyche

Spoiler: Null

camelCasedSnivy
Random Nurse
Doctor Drew
BBmolla
ZZZX
Save The Dragons

Spoiler: Scum

Cat Scratch Fever
davesaz
iamveryhappy
Bob3141

[furtiveglance]

Anyone scum reading CSF caring to elaborate as for why they do so? I dont see anything obviously scummy

Mostly for the opening readslist and subsequent omgus of Hu Tao. I agree with her recent posts about IAVH, but it's multiball, so hey ho.

[furtiveglance]

Ok, I had reasons. But my laptop is terrible, and I didn't want to type everything up again. Just ask if any specific player-related questions.

Spoiler: Town

JacksonVirgo
Flavor Leaf
Aisa
Shrek
Naerys
Klazam

Spoiler: Townlean

Pisskop
Hu Tao
the worst
shaddowez
TemporalLich
Psyche

Spoiler: Null

camelCasedSnivy
Random Nurse
Doctor Drew
BBmolla
ZZZX
Save The Dragons

Spoiler: Scum

Cat Scratch Fever
davesaz
iamveryhappy
Bob3141

how is psyche a townlean, and would you be okay with an IAVH lim if the psyche wagon goes nowhre?

1) I thought they reacted to the accusation that you had slipped a you/Psyche/ZZX scumteam quite well.

2) Yes

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VOTE: Naerys

this is the new speedlim wagon

Are you serious?

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ideally the day would be over before a couple of hours

pedit: yeah Naerys is probably scum for wanting to leave the town at a bad position on Day 2

It feels like you're a joke account a lot of the time. Are you?

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I think ZZX makes the most sense now because they claimed and self-voted already.

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I don't really think self voting is that ai for him:

Define 'basically save'.

If it is 'would get me town read for multiple days' then the answer is 'yes, I would do it'.
If the answer is 'would get me to the next day phase and an uncertain future' than I would try to save myself in other ways.

Basically its a day one wagon and people are scum reading you for shitty reasons

so yea the former if done prob.

I know it saved me twice (one of them was as scum thou, But I do it as scum if I know there are not many players than can read throu me there)

but I dont do it often and its like yea it wont help most of the time

He definitely does self vote as town too, but I found games where he does it as scum

Just read him based on other things

people who think cake is scum: how do you square this post with all that?

I've looked at and quoted past games as scum before, and I'm sure that CSF would admit she has too.

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but like. it's so helpful. it's a helpful post. could scum! make a helpful post?

ah forget it i know scum can make helpful posts. i suppose it would be more interesting if the post were substantiating a zzzx townread but this is in the opposite direction

I mean presumably someone else would have done it anyway, maybe whoever asked in the first place

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(sorry I messed up the quotes in the previous one)

Formatting L

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I'm happy to vote IAVH, sure.

VOTE: iamveryhappy

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like if you can't do pre school level mafia analysis on that, dont know what to tell ya

I'd attend a mafia pre school

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I'll vote iavh

What's the count

You wouldn't be hammering

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flavor leaf might as well be a thaumaturge regardless of flavor leaf's actual role

1) What's a thaumaturge?

2) You should scumread yourself for being a big contributor to bloating D1.

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Well, anyone has anything they want to ask me before I hit the bed?

Favourite ice cream flavour

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Well, anyone has anything they want to ask me before I hit the bed?

Favourite ice cream flavour

Love a good salted Caramel if its proper, otherwise I like snickers or coffee ice cream. I also have a spot for everything mango, including icecream

not vanilla then

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Jackson
Furtive
Pisskop

BBmolla
Aisa

Doctor Drew
BBmolla
Naerys
Shadowez
Save the Dragons
Hu Tao
TemporalLich
Davesaz
Cat Scratch Fever

Bob
Snivy
Klazam
The Worst
Shrek

Psyche
Random Nurse
ZZZx
Iamverryhappy

Town

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Lean Town

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Light Town

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Neutral

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Light Scum

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Lean Scum

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SCUM

I like this enough. Get dave outta town tho

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if you read my thing, i said multiple scum are in that tier.

So you deliberately put scumreads in town???

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Like, Psyche, I’m here having a blast, making money irl sitting here trolling you, and you seem just obsessed with trying to convince me of things that are both statistically untrue, and things i just wouldn’t care if are true, ya know.

Seems like a huge waste of your time, but thanks for entertaining me at work.

passive income?

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My contribution is that FL is being pretty toxic to Psyche regardless of alignment

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i'm at a baseball game but this seems like a fine spot for a vote count

I'm celebrating the 'jewish new year' with my extended family but this also seems like a fine spot for a votecount

I'm home bc the oriole's got destroyed and my family wanted to leave but i'm a lil tipsy. but this is also probably a good spot for a vote count

edit: or a premature spot for a vote count i guess

Did they get ....

double stuffed?

Nice one. I love oreos

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ZZZX is more likely to give us alignment-revealing content in future than IAVH.

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Yeah I think so too

VOTE: zzzx

Is this the player you meant to vote? The agreement with me implies otherwise.

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maybe I'm a bit hung over, but I read that as 'the zzzx wagon will provide more info for analysis'

I don't really understand/agree with the concept of some wagons providing more 'info' than others.

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To hammer or not to hammer?
I am willing to.

You have my blessing.

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There was nothing scummy about the hammer.

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So how sure do you feel about this one FL

like 40% scum IAVH.

Furtive saying there's nothing scummy about that hammer is bad, though.

Like even if Naerys is town, it's not 'nothing about it is scummy'. I dont even think it's like always a scum hammer or a bad hammer as town, but it's not a 'nothing about it is scummy' type of thing

The hammer was gonna happen inevitably whether Naerys did or not. So what's scummy? Asking if anyone else wants to say anything, then hammering 6 minutes later anyway? I've hammered early as town before.

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if you can analyze it and see it happening from either alignment, that's never a 'nothing scummy about the hammer' because it truly can be coming from scum, especially considering pisskop was already saying they were going to hammer.

Yeah - I didn't say Naerys is conftown for the hammer, just that it as an action wasn't scummy in any way.

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ok. the idea is that the asking was insincere and that the hammer's timing provides evidence for this. not a terrible basis for moving a slot read closer to scum, sure.

I literally did this in a game offsite as town like a week ago.

You declare intent, then get bored and want the flip.

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I for one am looking forward to a flip or three~

Ik no one asked, just thought I would provide an update on my state of mind regardless

Do you want to help me blitz through Bob and dave in the next couple of days

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I for one am looking forward to a flip or three~

Ik no one asked, just thought I would provide an update on my state of mind regardless

Do you want to help me blitz through Bob and dave in the next couple of days

No

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I for one am looking forward to a flip or three~

Ik no one asked, just thought I would provide an update on my state of mind regardless

Do you want to help me blitz through Bob and dave in the next couple of days

No

Ahh :c
Why do you scumread them anyway

Bob is so unbelievably scum. Literally everything they post. 2331 to 2333 are the most egregious. Just really thread-flowy against CSF, and calling the Hu Tao push on them 'too sloppy to be scum' is just insanely scummy.

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And dave legitimately never offers a read on any other players. I think I counted ~1 in their ISO. Allergic to giving opinions.

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And dave legitimately never offers a read on any other players. I think I counted ~1 in their ISO. Allergic to giving opinions.

Even 2342 showed barely any thought process.

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if you can analyze it and see it happening from either alignment, that's never a 'nothing scummy about the hammer' because it truly can be coming from scum, especially considering pisskop was already saying they were going to hammer.

Yeah - I didn't say Naerys is conftown for the hammer, just that it as an action wasn't scummy in any way.

Disagree.

It's the 'any' way part.

There are multiple ways that it could be scummy.

I think this is just semantics

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thread-flowey?

copying other posters who were sussing CSF at the time.

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I read it as flavor trying to spin naery up and get something out of her.

i dont like think it was like that scummy of a hammer, but furtive saying there's no way, shape, or form anything could be scummy about it just wrong

My read was that it wasn't remotely scum. Not that I couldn't see scum doing it ever.

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ah scrumptious. a semantic debate i managed to not be part of

You agree with me though right?

There's a difference between 'it isn't scummy in any way' and 'there isn't any way it could be scummy'

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I for one am looking forward to a flip or three~

Ik no one asked, just thought I would provide an update on my state of mind regardless

Do you want to help me blitz through Bob and dave in the next couple of days

No

Ahh :c
Why do you scumread them anyway

Bob is so unbelievably scum. Literally everything they post. 2331 to 2333 are the most egregious. Just really thread-flowy against CSF, and calling the Hu Tao push on them 'too sloppy to be scum' is just insanely scummy.

What you have just pointed out is a hard town tell for me to be honest. I dont flow with thread as scum but i stear it even if you cant tell how im stearing at teh time. But one thing you can never say is that i dont put tones of effort in when im scum.

so if im kicking back it mean im waiting for the game to progress before i put the effort in. It means im town always

Right, the old 'if I was scum you'd have no idea!'

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like there just is a way it can be scummy....

if they are scum.

simple as that. if they are scum, it wss 100% a scum move

Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes

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you're arguing my point

it's not null if players can get actual reads from it.

can it be read NAI right now? Sure, but it isn't in the long run.

I'm gonna let this one go, I feel like you'd post until the cows come home about it otherwise

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larges i really wait till i have a certain level of flips and ive not been nk before putting in the real effort.

Look forward to it. I'll let you off this time, only because I found a nearly identical post from a previous towngame to your 'I'm a scumlord' thing.

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larges i really wait till i have a certain level of flips and ive not been nk before putting in the real effort.

Look forward to it. I'll let you off this time, only because I found a nearly identical post from a previous towngame to your 'I'm a scumlord' thing.

You're only up to null btw, not off the hook

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actually, move them to light scum. their bob read looks super performative.

lol

I think you play super emotionally

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sometimes, but regardless, it'll be good to pressure you, and i think it's a fair analysis

Well, my read on Bob is basically a pretty low content player, who has precedent for playing like this as town. It's not towny in itself, but I can't really say it's scum indicative given the meta.

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Furtive, you act like you don't know that MB can't be scumhunted the same way as a regular game.
I might not have much D2 either. It depends on whether a web of associations forms or not.

I believe in reading players in ways other than just associatives.

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It sounds like there's a guilty on Psyche. I haven't seen a guilty on Hu Town.

VOTE: Psyche

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Naerys I want to see you get more involved in this game. Same for you, Furtive Glance.

I hate feeling like both of you are just trying to blend in instead of actually getting into it here. Put some skin in the game and stop acting chickenshit.

Speaking of which, Save The Dragons is pulling the same lurking shit he did in that last game we were in when he was Scum. Was it Mini 2309?

Get in here.

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I posted a lot D1. Read my ISO if you want. I'm busier in this day phase than I was D1.

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I'm kinda done with this game. I can deal with being misvoted out, but not over a 99% conf scum.

VOTE: Hu Tao

Not sorry. Again CSF if you were town, sorry.

This isn't scum with an easy non-aligned counterwagon.

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Oh yeah good point
dave pinged me earlier btw I'm ready to wagon him when you want

Big

I don't think we'll get a lot of support for that wagon today, but assuming no guilties tomorrow I'll vote dave.

I kind of also don't scumread Psyche aside from claims, but I feel like we need to resolve the JV claim.

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I'm thinking, is there a role that roleblocks and rolestops at the same time?

Because that could be one explanation if it was on Psyche last night. Otherwise 2 roleblocking interactions seems unlikely.

It can also just be that Psyche is lying which explains both.

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Gahhh

I don't like this.

JV is claiming a semi-guilty, so we should vote Psyche, but then if anyone considers T/T scenarios they get accused of TMI, and the Hu Tao wagon is just super wacky.

I still think with the Psyche elimination we get a bit of closure either way.

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Damn Hu Tao was town?

Oh come on

This post is scum, right?

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Ungated BP does seem really strong. I feel like there's definitely scum motivation to claim it since it deters the other team from killing you.

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I’m tinfoiling CSF so hard rn

She is bad!!!

So many bad in this game.

CSF, dave, Random Nurse (?)

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Ungated BP does seem really strong. I feel like there's definitely scum motivation to claim it since it deters the other team from killing you.

You do realize Bulletproof (assuming not Ascetic) can still be affected by all non-killing Night actions, right? Cop it, Track it, Watch it, etc, etc?

Yeah...how does that help scum play around it?

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FMPOV I think JV is Scum, because he says he targeted Psyche, Psyche did not mention getting fruit (did he deny it?), and then Psyche flipped Town.

*scratches brain*

But if Psyche was Town, and got a random fruit, would he really lie about not getting it? What reason as Town would he have for lying?

Then again could Scum JV send a Loyal Fruit to a random player to check if they're a different alignment? Then again if JV WAS Scum and he targeted some other player not on his team wouldn't that by default means they're not the same alignment? If so, then what would be the point of Scum JV sending out Loyal Fruit?

Maybe JV is Town amd he targeted Psyche but there was some kind of interference?

I could use peoples' insight on this.

I feel like JV was fairly widely townread, so what's the point in making up a FV claim just to frame someone? It's risky.

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N2 STD

What is this?

FMPOV I think JV is Scum, because he says he targeted Psyche, Psyche did not mention getting fruit (did he deny it?), and then Psyche flipped Town.

*scratches brain*

But if Psyche was Town, and got a random fruit, would he really lie about not getting it? What reason as Town would he have for lying?

Then again could Scum JV send a Loyal Fruit to a random player to check if they're a different alignment? Then again if JV WAS Scum and he targeted some other player not on his team wouldn't that by default means they're not the same alignment? If so, then what would be the point of Scum JV sending out Loyal Fruit?

Maybe JV is Town amd he targeted Psyche but there was some kind of interference?

I could use peoples' insight on this.

I feel like JV was fairly widely townread, so what's the point in making up a FV claim just to frame someone? It's risky.

So what do you think happened between JV and Psyche, because the more I think about it the more I want to pick at it.

Scum roleblocking shenanigans.

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N2 STD

N2 STD

What is this?

I'm thinking he may be a Goon. Meant to put that in my personal PT on who I think may have performed Scum NKs.

This is surely a lie to cover a slip right?

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STD could easily just be lurkscum yeah. I also scumread dave. I still feel like ZZX is town on balance, and I've actually really liked shadowwez's posting, despite how relatively rare it's been.

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Does anyone else want to talk about RN randomly posting 'N2 STD' into the thread?

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I also find a Town unlimited BP hard to believe.

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I think Killing flavor means that people were afraid of his reads or were not afraid of the rest of us. We've had terrible luck with wagons.

There's also the fact he was a near UTR and posted a lot. I mean that's why my scumteam killed him, at least.

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My scum partner is Furtive G. Lance

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Now that you brought that post back up, I'm going to votepark CSF for the rest of today.

My number one scum by a distance.

VOTE: CatScratchFever

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Cat Scratch Fever, camelCasedSnivy, Aisa, Save the Dragons, BBMolla, the worst, Flavor Leaf, Hu Tao, TemporalLich

Hu Tao wagon at 9 votes now if we discount hu tao

Cat Scratch Fever,

camelCasedSnivy,

Aisa

,

Save the Dragons

,

BBMolla,

the worst

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Flavor Leaf

,

TL

now the the fact that the wagon held together for quite a while and only reduced when soft guility was announaced (even if it was wrong in teh end

Implys scum on board, as scum act as glue in wagonomics

A bit of idle speculation from me

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a bit of idle speculation if worst is scum then they are prob red faction as they had a top town read on kazlam that i never realy understood

Yeah I was just colouring for mafia vs town, not the different factions