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[Elements]

Bloop

[Elements]

Dragon I'll get back to you in ~ half an hour - and hour

[Naerys]

I dont have buddies, i have a bag full of envelopes though.

This was the soft

[Sleepy Dragon]

I dont have buddies, i have a bag full of envelopes though.

This was the soft

Oh!

I guess it wasn't very soft though

Also, hi Naerys! We didn't greet each other properly.

[Bingle]

Hi I'm the new Outworlder

I fully expected to rep into a scum slot but instead I rolled town, so huh, a pleasant surprise.

Can someone TLDR me on the case against Eiralox and/or link it if there's already a post summarizing it?

Also, please don't expect me to play with the same level of tryharding as my main account k thanks.

Oh one final thing:

VOTE: Nurse

Serious vote.

Given that you expected ower scum what do you feel about the ower townreads?

Well given that I now know he was town, I don't think there's anything to be divulged about alignments by looking at his townreads.

I only scumread him because I didn't like his voting pattern tbh.

Still, I'll humor you:

- I do agree independently that you and Kitty are never D1 votes here.
- I dunno about Key. His cases were so far fetched it's hard to believe it's scum, but it might be sort of newbscum approach that's very different to how most newbscum play here. The thing about newbies is that their play can be very unexpected.
- I townlean gamma but I'm not really sure why.
- Don't have a read on Khaos
- I townlean Elements.

Opposite. What do you think about the townreads expressed on OWER

[Bingle]

Bingle, what's your read on khaos?

Scummy but low info.

[Elements]

not catching up but just trying to figure out what's the deal with eira wagon because nobody (except KL who I refuse to listen to) would give me an explanation, and right now I have a few questions.

idk, I think it stared off with something to do with Eira being anti day-1 lim and then morphed from there?
Eira being Eira and Key being key i think exasserbated the situation

Having read a few of KL's posts, I kinda hate that slot. Like 99% of their reads are bullshit

Thank you

So, why do you guys (especially elements who I just saw has Titus as top TR) think these really bad pushes come from town?

I read the slot as hyper oblivious town. It was the first 10? pages I think where i town binned the slot then I stopped bothering tryring to read it and just wanted it gone. thank you for calling me out on it though. I do think it's still a more likely town slot but now I'll start reading Titus and go from there.

What's the scum case on Naerys? Her TRing KL?

not the read, but the positioning around it. defence of the slot, agreeing with reads, defending it.

[Sleepy Dragon]

Opposite. What do you think about the townreads expressed on OWER

oooooh good question

I'll come back to you on that in a few hours

[Bingle]

Eira wagon reasoning tl;dr

Eira is about as huggable as a porcupine.
Eira legitimately thinks D1 no lim is a good townstrat, but was not actually advocating it because he didn't think it was viable.
Eira was hard pushing Key as a policy lim despite the above and multiple hard townreads on Key because Key was choking the thread.
Eira has independently suspected basically every member of the town, with the notable exception of me.
Eira was leveraging OMGUS to avoid getting voted.

All of these are not good reasons to sus Eira specifically ime, but it remains true that Eira hasn't done much in the way of 'being towny'. It's also worth acknowledging that Key making the thread unreadable was not a solo act.

[Bingle]

I dont have buddies, i have a bag full of envelopes though.

This was the soft

Again, anyone who didn't catch this doesn't have eyes, and I'm not even considering it scummy. Also worth noting, Eira had this point where they were publicly speccing whether Key and I were a mason pair and dismissed it on the back of there already being an IC, and I actually think that specific type of useless spec is +town. Granted, it's the only +town thing I've seen from eira.

[Bingle]

I'm here, I promise! Currently working a stretch of 5 shifts and 11/9's the last one!

RN-

RN's first like 7 posts were actually pretty decent imo. This is his second to last one, explaining that he had a work schedule from hell last week and hasn't been able to devote time. He has exceeded his self imposed timeframe, but said absence seems to be site wide and he's at/nearing replacement timewise so I'm not really interested in wagoning a player who has 7 posts with literally no interaction on the back of "he doesn't effort as scum" when he's literally siteflaked at the moment. If he comes back and doesn't effort, we'll talk, but this wagon is very unappealing to me.

[Bingle]

Elements-

The CC bidness:

RN specced that IC would necessarily mean a stacked scumteam on entry, to which I replied that IC is actually fairly weak in the realm of investigatives due to the likelihood of it disappearing early and thus being largely useless late game. I said I expect that there is a protective of some sort, but not a hard protective. Something that can only protect sometimes or has a severe drawback if found while protecting (babysitter) was more likely than any other options. Elements responded that she was informed there was no protection (which I took to be an obvious joke, but apparently some people thought was real). KT thought this was sus. About a page later, FL claimed informed of something that would make early massclaim desirable. KT outright cc'd element's joke, claiming informed that scum were informed that there was a gated protective role. Thread consensus at the time was that KT's cc was ++town, although rereading it now I'm not sure I still think that. Will ruminate more. Basically, the cc seemed risky if KT wasn't actually informed of a town protective, and backing off of elements instead of trying to shove through a lim seemed +town, but if KT was scum informed of a town protective that first bit isn't all that risky.

In addition, Ele has been very wagon happy with the exception of Eiralox, with a stated goal of getting every player to L-1 on Day 1. There's been a decent amount of cozying up to me, who at least some of the day enjoyed a position of being nearly as townread as the IC. I don't particularly think Ele is hard scum, but she's definitely a high value flip and I could easily be persuaded there.

[Sleepy Dragon]

Who are your top 3 vote candidates?

[Bingle]

Naerys was the other main wagon when we had dueling wagons. Basically, Chell posted a case on Eira that was roughly Eira is playing to an audience of the IC (which I thought was a pretty reasonable case, actually) when I made a comment about the number of people who were not active in thread after naked voting Eira and Naerys took that and ran. I didn't like the case she came up with as it mostly relied on things like 'Eira is aggressive as fak" and "No way would a town player actually like no lim" without actually examining why scum would try to fake that. She also had a level of confidence that was unreasonably high for the case being as bleh as it was. I stayed on that wagon after because A three dueling wagons was promising info wise and B there seemed to be a weird amount of resistance to Naerys getting limmed that didn't seem reasonable to me.

[Bingle]

Celebloki
Sleepy Dragon
Doctor Drew
Titus
Gamma Emerald

KittyTacky
Chell

Organized Khaos
Random Nurse*
Eiralox

Naerys
Elements

This is roughly where I'm at at the moment. I'd consider limming any of the bottom 5 to be desirable, but would want more engagement before settling on RN or Khaos.

[KittyTacky]

I'm off to sleep, Bingle put things better than I would. gn

[Alianna]

Random Nurse has not picked up his prod and is being replaced.

[Organized Khaos]

hi guys, what are we talking about?

[Alianna]

camelCasedSnivy replaces Random Nurse.

[camelCasedSnivy]

hi im snivy

whats up

[Elements]

hi guys, what are we talking about?

What do you think about the new replacements?

[Elements]

hi im snivy

whats up

Don't need to read anything before dragon replaced in, it's all been summarised since then I think

[Organized Khaos]

hi guys, what are we talking about?

What do you think about the new replacements?

Ummmm... Well looking at their posts they are all neutral for me.

[Naerys]

Hello snivy

[Gamma Emerald]

not catching up but just trying to figure out what's the deal with eira wagon because nobody (except KL who I refuse to listen to) would give me an explanation, and right now I have a few questions.

first: where did Naerys soft mailman?

second:
Having read a few of KL's posts, I kinda hate that slot. Like 99% of their reads are bullshit, and you can call it "too scummy to be scum" if you want to but I don't really see it. So, why do you guys (especially elements who I just saw has Titus as top TR) think these really bad pushes come from town?

three: what's the scum case on Naerys? Her TRing KL?

Four: ugh, has no one here played with eiralox before? they (or he? not sure) is known for having a disagreeable / unpalatable playstyle. Why is that scummy? Like Gamma, you've played with Eira in TL's Grandest Idea, they were town despite the annoying, against the grain attitude.

I wouldn’t say my SR on Eira is for being annoying