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VOTE: Black
Was it always okay to openly campaign for receiving a Scummie? It seems to have suddenly become a popular thing to do this year

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UNVOTE:
My vote was a joke, let’s not do this

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I’m mostly applying the rules on titles on this site to the Scummies, and you aren’t supposed to ask for/propose titles for yourself outside of special events (which haven’t happened in a while?)

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VOTE: Thomith
Feel like voting here currently

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Any input you’d like to add?

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Yeah I TR HT here rn

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I think Hu Tao picked up on the same things I did, just expressed them in a way that wasn’t perfect

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I think Hu Tao picked up on the same things I did, just expressed them in a way that wasn’t perfect

What do you think of Thomith's responses afterward?

Not great. Feels kinda desperate
I really just don’t care for the fact that the vote came before the explanation like it did

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I actually believe Thomith about his thought process, I think it's flawed and more complicated a plan than necessary but it feels real to me.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald
If you thought Thomith was being weird, why vote him with no followup? One could say you've voted and explained later yourself.

I think Black and Hu Tao can be town for now. My gut says at least one of the scumteam is in the group of players who haven't engaged yet, but it's early in the day and as they get involved they should become sortable.

My issue is the execution, not the order of events
I would love to see you try to argue the execution of my vote is similar to Thomith’s vote execution

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I think Hu Tao picked up on the same things I did, just expressed them in a way that wasn’t perfect

What do you think of Thomith's responses afterward?

Not great. Feels kinda desperate
I really just don’t care for the fact that the vote came before the explanation like it did

May I ask why you felt my responses felt desperate?

Spoiler: to Thomith

I mentioned the E-1 for two reasons.

1) Even though it probably isnt a Maf tell, I still wanted to point it out because regardless of alignment I think putting someone on E-1 on page 1 is silly.

2) I knew it was a very weak reason to vote, and knew it would bring attention to me, so I could gauge the reactions it brought to get the game moving.

Okay so you agree that your post was weird but just don't like my reasoning for saying it was weird? Okay I understand better now. And I would say it worked to get more discussion though I wish you waited until others chimed in so I could see any other's opinions on it. Thoughts on Black's reason for voting me based on your post?

I do agree it was weird - it kind of was by design to see how people reacted to it. It was something I wanted to try out to get the game out of RVS faster and I think it did its job.
The reason I didnt want to wait too long is I kind of wanted immediate reactions (usually these are more genuine than reactions that can be planned if they're made like a day later or so, at least imo)

I'll be real theres always that small voice in my head that I could be getting pocketed by her (but that's more because I'm a little paranoid than anything she has done) - otherwise I'm not too concerned about it, because she seems to have given her own reasoning in a seperate post later, despite voting immediately following my post where I voted you.

Why are we putting somebody on E-1 on Page 1?

VOTE: thomith

Seems like someone saying the obvious to look towny

In all likelihood Testarossa might not be mafia because knowingly putting someone at E-1 is bringing a lot of attention to herself for little gain. I still kind of want to look at what she does from here before I commit this to a town read though.

I voted anyway to see how people to react, and gave weak reasoning to see who would jump on me.

Gamma jumping on me seemed relatively organic. your vote however feels less so.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Hu Tao

Also can you explain your thoughts on why gamma's vote feels authentic? All she said was that she feels like voting there at the moment?

Similar to your thoughts on me actually when I think about it - Gamma's vote felt authentic because it seemed like an immediate response to me acting weird, and also being the first vote reinforces that for me a bit.
Your post to me felt like it could have been jumping on to a wagon/attempting to make it grow, almost in a way that felt like you could have been overexplaining the vote to justify it?

Again I concede that in hindsight maybe i should have let it play out longer, my bad there.

Could you explain your thoughts on Black? Seems like she's saying the post is not weird, and thus her vote on me is for that. But you admit it is weird since you did it on purpose. What are your thoughts on the discrepancies there.

Acknowledging I've seen this just haven't got round to answering it yet - I'm leaving work here in a little bit so will answer when I get home.

I do want to do this for now;
UNVOTE:
I do like your lines of questioning in the last few posts.

Okay I'll wait for your response then

Just as a heads up I did end up responding in Post 61

Felt like you tried to hop onto an easy target, got found for what you were doing, and were looking for an out

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swoop

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VOTE: kittiesecret
I don’t like the narration-esque manner of writing or the lack of any tangible content. Doesn’t feel like she actually gives a damn to solve.

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VOTE: kittiesecret
I don’t like the narration-esque manner of writing or the lack of any tangible content. Doesn’t feel like she actually gives a damn to solve.

VOTE: gamma

Feels like pushing on a new person. They stated they were new, why not ask a specific question if you're worried she's not trying to solve?

I wanted to let the pressure speak for itself, also didn’t know what questions I wanted to ask att

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Umbreon used Rest!

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VOTE: Hu Tao

Bad vote imo

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I'm posting on mobile please forgive my lack of formatting

GAMMA:
VOTE: kittiesecret
I don’t like the narration-esque manner of writing or the lack of any tangible content. Doesn’t feel like she actually gives a damn to solve.

Ouch! I do care to solve but nothing is going to be solved in the first 3 and a half pages.

THOMITH:
What do you think of Hu Tao's questioning of me?
What do you think of my responses to that questioning?

Honestly I'll need to go back and re read it. For more detail. But it felt like a lot of words to not say very much.

What do you think of how Black has been posting so far?

Black was scum in the one whole game I have played and totally flew under my under developed radar until much later in the game. So I can't help but have a bias in feeling she might be scum here. I feel like she is exhibiting some of the same game play here.

What do you think of Arko's read list? Do you agree?

I feel this is accurate for page 4.

TESTAROSSA:
Also happy bday Kittie, thanks for me being older than me and thus making feel myself younger.

thanks! I think...

What do you mean with a lot of things being said without being said?

Just lots of words no real meaning. But in my whole 1 game experience that seems par for the course. There isn't any substance to anything being said at this point. Anything could be read as scum or town at this point depending on the context you read it in.

HU TAO:
VOTE: gamma

Feels like pushing on a new person. They stated they were new, why not ask a specific question if you're worried she's not trying to solve?

Thanks

!

VOTE: Gamma

I have issues with this post, I’ll get into those in a bit

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What do you mean that Arko’s read list is “accurate for page 4”?

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I feel good about Arko for now

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I like the effort to case Black

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Do you agree with it?

I don’t in the sense that I don’t have the same read rn but I could be swayed (I haven’t actually read the case in detail yet)

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Hu Tao stop being trash pls

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Like, you seem dead-set on me being scum for…pushing a new player to provide better content??? And you additionally seem to be giving that new player a pass for what exactly???

Like, I’m not gonna play with kid gloves on, those were thrown in the wood chipper after my last off-site game. I am not gonna just let bad play snowball because a player is newer.

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UNVOTE:

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Hu Tao stop being trash pls

Like, you seem dead-set on me being scum for…pushing a new player to provide better content??? And you additionally seem to be giving that new player a pass for what exactly???

Like, I’m not gonna play with kid gloves on, those were thrown in the wood chipper after my last off-site game. I am not gonna just let bad play snowball because a player is newer.

I'm a sucker for ATE.

And yes, I know but just based on experience you seem the type to talk it out first. I could be wrong though

I think my mood this game is “shoot first ask questions later” because I think my way of getting your attention feels a bit like how I poked kittie

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't like Black's 180 on me. Seems like omgus. Unless they are known for being defensive in this way?

Pretty sure that’s how she is. I know she got into it with Alisae in open 891 as town

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I like the effort to case Black

Why does the effort means in this case that it comes from town?

I have issues with this post, I’ll get into those in a bit

Older post, but do you mind to tell what your issues have been? Also what changed that made you unvote Kittie?

I only really had like one real issue I think, which is that kittie was saying she felt like Arko’s reads were valid despite being extremely tepid about taking a solid stance herself just before. I unvoted to give myself space to think, though.
Wrt the effort, it’s not a hard towntell without more to back it up but it feels like a real solving fervor.

[Gamma Emerald]

Good evening!

I just finished catching up, and there was a lot of things said with out a lot of things being said.

I am new I only have one game under my belt. And I don't have any day one reads on any one yet.

What do you think of Arko's read list? Do you agree?

I feel this is accurate for page 4.

These do not line up imo

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So basically no one is really townreading Black, besides maybe Thom (if not for his paranoia), while some people seem to be vulturing above her, yet no one really wants to commit to push her to E-1 because... why?

I find it odd that you've kept your RVS vote on me and are now encouraging others to get me to e-1 despite you showing some suspicion over some of the people pushing me. Why do you think I'm scum here?

Mmhm

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You seem impossible to please atm. Despite openly admitting to faking your reaction, you still find an excuse to keep pushing me.

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You seem impossible to please atm. Despite openly admitting to faking your reaction, you still find an excuse to keep pushing me.

This seems a tad bit defensive...

Just sayin'

Okay and?

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Thoughts on naerys, everyone?

Not enthused by her rn but I want to consider a thought I had on my own rq

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I feel like Kittie is playing a very textbook scum game here

Hellooooo everyone!

thought I would make an appearance today!

This feels extremely awkward, and common knowledge is that scum are more likely to be awkward at the start of the game.

I wanted to pop in again. I haven't had a chance to catch up. Migraine last night. I'll give everything a read this evening when I'm home and post my thoughts!

Another pop-in, this time making a promise of content. This feels quite self-conscious.

Good evening!

I just finished catching up, and there was a lot of things said with out a lot of things being said.

I am new I only have one game under my belt. And I don't have any day one reads on any one yet.

Claims to have finished catching up but shows absolutely zero work, and takes no stances whatsoever.

I'm posting on mobile please forgive my lack of formatting

GAMMA:
VOTE: kittiesecret
I don’t like the narration-esque manner of writing or the lack of any tangible content. Doesn’t feel like she actually gives a damn to solve.

Ouch! I do care to solve but nothing is going to be solved in the first 3 and a half pages.

THOMITH:
What do you think of Hu Tao's questioning of me?
What do you think of my responses to that questioning?

Honestly I'll need to go back and re read it. For more detail. But it felt like a lot of words to not say very much.

What do you think of how Black has been posting so far?

Black was scum in the one whole game I have played and totally flew under my under developed radar until much later in the game. So I can't help but have a bias in feeling she might be scum here. I feel like she is exhibiting some of the same game play here.

What do you think of Arko's read list? Do you agree?

I feel this is accurate for page 4.

TESTAROSSA:
Also happy bday Kittie, thanks for me being older than me and thus making feel myself younger.

thanks! I think...

What do you mean with a lot of things being said without being said?

Just lots of words no real meaning. But in my whole 1 game experience that seems par for the course. There isn't any substance to anything being said at this point. Anything could be read as scum or town at this point depending on the context you read it in.

HU TAO:
VOTE: gamma

Feels like pushing on a new person. They stated they were new, why not ask a specific question if you're worried she's not trying to solve?

Thanks

!

VOTE: Gamma

After being pressured, decides to go back to respond to posts. I’ll get into this with the next wall but this approach by Kittie is one I commonly see scum pull. I also think it’s a bad look that she voices assent to Arko’s early reads but fails to have one of her own on Arko? I think in that position I would have a townread on Arko as a newbie.

Good afternoon,

Popping into skim on my lunch break. I have no where to be this evening. I'll be back later with my thoughts to date.

And Thom, I'll answer your other questions then too.

Another self-conscious post promising content. This one is worse than the first imo since that one was at least posted when she had done absolutely nothing of substance.

ok here it is, I am sorry its long... expect more like this from me. and I apologize in advance for those as well. and its a little scattered. but I hope you get my point.


The whole first page caught me totally off guard going to a E-1 so quickly. I was like damn I just confirmed my role now were at E-1 WTF mang!

I don't think the back and forth about the E-1 on page 2 is indicative of any alliances, yet. as we move into the game we may be able to look back and gain some wisdom. but that's all I have to say about that.

Hey!

What do you think of Hu Tao's questioning of me?
What do you think of my responses to that questioning?

Apart from Hu Tao's gushing about the Scummies, she seemed to take issue you with you for no real reason. picking apart anything you had to say.

Why was it necessary to point out that we E-1 someone there when it was clear already? And the person unvoted immediately. Especially when it was a clear rvs wagon

Thom, was just saying what I feel a lot of us were thinking, we all just confirmed roles and now were here like damn. "pointing out" the obvious I don't think speaks to any thing other then a more wordy "Damn!" Yes we can all read what happened, but some times ya just gotta say something. and Thom went on to explain their selves.

what I think is unnecessary was how Hu Tao couldn't let it go. Everyone was moving on and Hu Tao was still posting paragraphs about it. forcing the issue.

THOMITH:
What do you think of Hu Tao's questioning of me?
What do you think of my responses to that questioning?

Honestly I'll need to go back and re read it. For more detail. But it felt like a lot of words to not say very much.

What I meant by this was everyone went round and round and round about the E1 issue and didn't go anywhere. the conversation didn't produce anything of note. but I wouldn't expect it to that early, as its still a bunch of people talking about essentially nothing.

(ok maybe I had some more too say about it *heh*)

In post 116, Naerys wrote:
Flat as in missing the desire to catch scum
I'm curious why you don't also feel this way about players like Kittie and ORAM

yea this seems off to me too... the accusation kind of came from no where with no basis...

Like, you seem dead-set on me being scum for…pushing a new player to provide better content??? And you additionally seem to be giving that new player a pass for what exactly???

Like, I’m not gonna play with kid gloves on, those were thrown in the wood chipper after my last off-site game. I am not gonna just let bad play snowball because a player is newer.

I feel like Hu Tao has taken on the pot stirring role. and I don't know how to read that yet.

I also don't expect kid gloves, my hurt was feigned. I was aware that I was behind the ball.

In post 85, Kittiesecret wrote:
Good evening!

I just finished catching up, and there was a lot of things said with out a lot of things being said.

I am new I only have one game under my belt. And I don't have any day one reads on any one yet.
In post 126, Kittiesecret wrote:
What do you think of Arko's read list? Do you agree?

I feel this is accurate for page 4.
These do not line up imo

how does this not line up???

At the time of making my post, there was little over 3 pages to read and most of that was Thom and Hu Tao going back and forth about the E-1.

Post #82 (isolation #2) » Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:02 pm

That was honestly slightly hard to make since well- 80 Posts plus the fact 3 people aren't really posting.

Arko even says it himself.


I can simultaneously feel like I don't have enough information to provide a read and feel like someone else read could be valid. and the read we're talking about here was vague at best, cuz again were working with only barely 4 pages of information.

AND black's interactions didn't feel very real when interacting with each other.

I don't love the idea of comparing to an older game, but in the (whole one) game I played with Scum-Black she didn't interact with her partner much at all.

Overall:

Arko... you really like your lists... that's all I've got to say.

Black... I'm just trying not to let my previous experience color my thoughts here. I see both similarities in play but also differences. I'm leaning more town, because Scum-Black would question and completely back off. Black here very much in the thick of it. but...I'll be watching.

Gamma... for as much as you call everyone else out for their posts, posting style or content you really haven't offered much up yourself. Almost hiding in plain sight... I feel like my vote will be staying here for the time being.

Hu Tao... I made my points above.

Klick.. came in hot, but seems alright for now, I don't know how to feel about that just at this moment.

Naerys... only like 8 posts and only 3 with some semblance of substance.. not a whole lot to go on (I know I know I'm one to talk)

Testarossa... That was a ballsy move, the e-1 on page one. Makes me think scum, paired with the fact that she didn't come back until post 78. I don't find the leaving of the vote to be indicative of anything tho, and I accept the reasoning on why it hasn't been moved.

Thomith... a very busy bee, feels town to me. *shrug*

My big problem with posting most of your content in this way is it smokescreens your play in two ways. First, you make yourself unavailable for live interaction which I think in the vast majority of scenarios is the mist important way of forming reads. The second problem is you cram your thoughts into large posts which makes them harder to process or engage with, which I think tends to have an effect of causing a short-circuit of anyone trying to parse the player that does it into going “big wall of content = town”.

You seem impossible to please atm. Despite openly admitting to faking your reaction, you still find an excuse to keep pushing me.

This seems a tad bit defensive...

Just sayin'

Useless shading.

VOTE: Kittiesecret
I genuinely think this is scum and y’all have just been bamboozled.

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swoop

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Kitties post wasn't that exciting to me, it gave more the vibes Arko's first readlist had to me with being kind of vague on most people. I don't get in contrast to that this hard scumread on Gamma.

Gamma's case feels a bit oldschool and I also think she has some points. Her energy for doubling down on Kittie here feels townie imo.

You seem impossible to please atm. Despite openly admitting to faking your reaction, you still find an excuse to keep pushing me.

I don't get this though. Why would you bother to please her or what do you mean with it?

I was challenging her mindset since if she’s town I don’t think she’s going to be very useful if she relies on emotion to determine her pushes.

[Gamma Emerald]

Good evening!

I just finished catching up, and there was a lot of things said with out a lot of things being said.

I am new I only have one game under my belt. And I don't have any day one reads on any one yet.

What do you think of Arko's read list? Do you agree?

I feel this is accurate for page 4.

These do not line up imo

Why don't you think they line up?

I tried to work it into the wall; I feel like for a newer player, Kittie’s stated opinion on the Arko read list felt it should merit a TR on Arko. As such I felt she was being evasive wrt giving tangible reads.

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I will just bite your head off later, Hu tao

What did you mean by this?

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I'm wary of Klick

I'm also worried that Naerys is limbait and scum are just hanging out completely fine with our wagons competing with each other

I want to engage with Naerys more but she keeps using her moodiness as a reason to not talk to me. The frustration feels genuine. I think it could be because she's caught scum but I'm not really sure about that, and I'm more inclined to believe she's just annoyed at being wagoned as town. Like her continued push on me could be a survival tactic considering my wagon is the next best thing but that doesn't always come from scum in my experience. It could be a bad tunnel or Naerys just wanting anyone but herself dead

I think scum could be like Klick/Testa or maybe Thomith and they are just big chilling

Have you read my case?

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Hope you’re doing okay

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Hmmm
I’ll acknowledge that but I feel like the walling over active participation issue is relevant so I would like to at least remediate that

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It somewhat changes but I want her to acknowledge the issue I have

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I'm not saying it's weird that you were active and wordy and now you're not, I think it's weird that you were that way at all. I didn't think you had it in you

The point is I'm trying to get a feel for you as a player and a person. I'll take those links if you don't mind

Mmhm

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I think it’s interesting because she did get called out for suddenly becoming verbose and imo even before her VLA in Mafia Have a Cop, I feel her posting was content-lite

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Suddenly becoming verbose in love child*

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Suddenly becoming verbose in love child*

Well at the end I kind of panicked there since I wasn't expecting to be scumread by aureal so I just started posting a lot

Noted.

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I still would like to hear thoughts on Testa. Her ISO has some indicators that she's solving but it doesn't feel like anything scum couldn't come up with. Her posts have this agreeable tone that I would expect from scum that is trying to blend in while not making too many enemies.

Oh, neat. So it seems you actually

are

town here then.

Interesting conclusion. Why do you not think scum!me could try to get people to question their townreads on you?

Yeag I lowkey hate that post from Testa

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I think Black is currently my top TR

[Gamma Emerald]

Kittiesecret - could be scum
Arko - leaning town, like the reads posts
Naerys - could be scum
Gamma Emerald - null maybe leaning town. Idk
Testarossa - maybe scum?
Black - prob town
Thomith - null
Enchant - no clue how to read
Klick - maybe scum, never explained scumread on me

Rough idea of how I'm feeling at the moment

Enchant replaced klick FYI

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Idk why you want to vote out Thomith when I think I’ve felt good about that slot so far

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Gamma what is your read on the ORAM/Klick/Enchant slot? I don't think you've mentioned them or interacted with them once

That’s kinda a blind spot, if a wagon happened there I probably wouldn’t mind

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@Mod: Kittie hasn’t posted in over 48 hours

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I dont need to defend my game play. tis just the way i play.

You need to play better, then

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VOTE: Enchant

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I hammered because the IC claim was fake, plus it’s funny

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Uhhh what? No one said to massclaim

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Fyi I feel like my opinion on Kittie is on the mend atm

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I am curious where Arko is rn

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Arko does look like possible scum after an ISO

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Mainly the stance on the flipped scum feels like what I’d expect scum to do
I also think the Black push is concerning in retrospect

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Eh. Throw someone else under bus to save self?

I guess i can try that.

VOTE: Arko

I wonder if this reaction can clear Arko and Gamma as town. Probably yes. I will trust my guts for now.

How does that clear me exactly?
Btw I kinda think the logic Testa posted for turning around on me is a bit half-baked. That idea of pushing a buddy over a TvT feud is probably a really simple distancing tactic but I think it’s more common in minis. Btw I disagree with the whole principle of a bus happening on a d1 scum vote specifically in a micro. Losing your scumbuddy D1 in a micro is dangerous.

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Maybe you’re right, but I didn’t read that from the post, felt more self-centered (but not in a bad way)

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Elements posting looks solid but I kinda still want to flip her slot

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Elements posting looks solid but I kinda still want to flip her slot

What does flipping me help you with?

I feel similar on your predecessor as you feel on Thomith, there’s posts that imo are partner-indicative

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Naerys

I still don't see the naerys townread.

ick

[Gamma Emerald]

ORAM - Neutral -

Triggers a bit of scum feelings with me, but otherwise they feel normal townie. Their thoughts to me seem on the townie train of thought... but there have been a bit of things that have pinged scum. I'm not sure about it but there is a non-ignorable chance that it's scum trying to follow a townie-type train of thought without being a parrot or generic. I'm genuinely not sure where to place them, but definitely not enough scum feelings to put in null, and there is enough town to keep them out of null for me.

This feels like scum trying to rationalize giving their partner a better rating than they should get. Key indicator being the last segment about “enough to keep out of null” conflicts with the actual read.

Klick - Neutral -

Generally needs to elaborate more. slightly disliked their predecessor, and I don't know what the actual fuck is going through klick right now. Please, please god elaborate with your thoughts

Feels like scum pushing their buddy with the express purpose of making their play better. I did the same to Cobblerfone in a recent 9:12 micro open

VOTE: Elements
On going back to check these, I actually feel good enough about this to act on it

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Spoiler: Testarossa Post 480

Can you explain what you mean about my "self-conscious lines" because I genuinely dont know what you mean when you're saying that.

Just because you arent voting someone doesnt mean you're not suggesting them as an option.
My wagon had grown once before, so it's not out of the realm of possibilities that it could have happened again, while Kittie's wagon stagnated after only a few votes.

In all honesty I was following Black with the Enchant vote. I didn't like the push on her so thought there was a big enough chance of her being Town to see where the wagon went, and if enchant flipped town I feel it would have still given us a decent amount of information on black/others on the wagon. Admittedly I didnt expect the hammer to happen so quickly.

I think we talked about it before. I am on the fence about it for the whole game as it could just be a playstyle thing. Everytime someone scumreads you or feels uncertain about you, you are immediately summoned and jump straight out of the box to question the person. I can see why you would act like that as town to form better reads, but it also just looks like scum that is concerned to stay safe and tries to shoot down any possible suspicions.

I am questioning peoples reads on anyone, to try and figure out motivations for those reads. From my POV, anyone who is saying their are suspicious of me are wrong, because they are Town, so I'm trying to use my questioning of them to figure out if it's Town that is just wrong, or scum pushing a townie.

And you think you would have been so much better as counterwagon than Kittie? You, who wasn't even widely scumread besides maybe by Black? Like, did you get the vibe from my post that I was trying to convince Black to move away from Klick? Why should I act all passive as partner when I see the focus shifting to Klick? I don't see what you would see here.

The only people who were even considering Kittie was me/Gamma from what I remember, so it's not like Kittie had much wagon potential either. My wagon already grew once, with a lot of people still questioning my slot significantly, so it's not outside the realm of possibility that I could have been wagoned again.

The argument is a bit funny to me, when I look how you just started immediately questioning Klick when Black started mentioning and voting Klick. With a question that Klick already had answered before, to you even. If you were just following Black then why did you wait in doing so until Hu Tao has joined as well?

I actually don't know what to say here other than I decided to follow Black when I voted. I wasn't following Black the whole day, I just decided to follow her on that particular wagon.

For that matter, why not also joining the Naerys wagon back then (who was actually pushing for a Black lim) when it had three votes and you weren't voting anywhere else and were already town on Black anyway? You went for Kittie later and I have no issues about that one. Going by 238 you didn't seemed really town on Naerys though.

I didn't have a strong read on Naerys, and at that point in time I was beginning to suspect Kittie because of Gamma's wall. When I voted Enchant, I wasn't sure about anything else at that point in time, which is why i voted.

Not really sure how to format this, so I've just put my answers in bold.

Elements, can you explain your progression from Kittie as town down to your scumreads? Also why do you think that Thom is scum?

Kittie's position is more poe where Thom I think is scum
the tr of kittie was partly based on her being a newer player giving the benefit of the doubt to some of the "i'll read up in a bit" and "i'm not really sure about anything" vibe posts but then i remembered something either someone said or a game daisy was in where a newb!scum did exactly that just to be under the radar so that faded the bod. Wasn't a fan of the readlist especially the reasoning for the read on you. Generally not done anything that's pinged me as towny since that post i vibed with

Thomith I feel I may be tunneling on because of 107 which I can just see as replacement scum coming in and voting a buddy. I don't think I'll be able to see it a different way unless Thomith flips town.
Skimming Thom's iso I've only just properly clocked that their first vote was on ORAM which has given me pause
That being said 411 and 417 really rub me the wrong way
A lot of the read is based on partner equity

Why do 411 and 417 rub you the wrong way?

I also don't see why you aren't entertaining the alternative that ORAM/Klick were defending me because I'm Town, so they would look good after my flip? Both of those posts that you think is them buddying with me came when I still had heat on me Day 1.

I like elements, just like I like arko so I don't see myself voting there today

I find myself agreeing.
I liked Arko's case on Black, in that the effort did seem town motivated, the same way that Elements' reread posts seem like they are trying to solve for the most part.

My POE at the moment I think is Hu Tao/Gamma - I feel good about them and still think those slots are Town.
I feel pretty good about Elements, but Gamma does make a good point in 502 which makes me not want to fully commit to eliminating them as a suspect. I feel a similar way about Kittiesecret, I feel pretty good but not quite enough to eliminate her yet.

I don't think I'm willing to vote Elements right now. At most I might compromise on Naerys I think.

VOTE: Thomith
Your PoE is atrocious. Are you seriously assuming scum bussed in a micro?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma have you read the poe confusion?

Yeah I think I realized it on my ownUNVOTE:

[Gamma Emerald]

Your PoE is atrocious. Are you seriously assuming scum bussed in a micro?

you dont seem to believe it but you vote Thomith

I’m not operating via a PoE, so why does my opinion on bussing matter? I think D1 bussing in micro is detrimental to scum wincon but it’s not impossible. I’m not an idiot, a person on my homesite actually said I was very hard to WIFOM past, actually!

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Naerys

I still don't see the naerys townread.

I don’t understand your Naerys scumread

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Hu Tao
wouldn't mind voting you out

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't think Thom is scum here. Is there anyone else we can settle on?

this is a garbage post given your previous unexplained vendetta against Naerys

[Gamma Emerald]

I already stated my 2 scumreads are naerys and kittie. But no one wants them.

Maybe if you bothered to make a case (or at least give points of evidence) it might convince people

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t see the exact idea but I do get a weird vibe from kittie’s post

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: kittie
This works for me

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:

[Gamma Emerald]

Town: Gamma, Elements
Lean town: Thom
Null: Testa
Most likely scum in here: Naerys, Kitties

This looks really bad now

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Hu Tao

[Gamma Emerald]

swag
tfw a matrix6 setup branch is run as a closed game and the breaking strategy is still used successfully

[Gamma Emerald]

Looked at the dead thread, I think you’re a fine player Enchant. Fyi I had a scum slump in late 2020/early 2021 I believe, so you’re not alone in thinking you’ve lost the scum sauce. Find a general strategy that works for you and play variants of that going forward, would be my advice for improving scum play.