Mini Normal 2319: Flavorless Hell | Day 5

[ssbm_Kyouko]

My 1000

[Celebloki]

You know, I was wondering if Aliana was going to get the 1000 in this game and if she would have counted it on Alianna. I also wanted to ask her if she is more satisfied by getting them as a player in a game vs Mod pagetops.

[Black]

Also, there isn't a read in any of those 3 posts, so, yeah, it shouldn't feel like a read progression. All 3 are mech spec

Oops. Typo. That should say "real progression"

And yeah it feels extremely fake for you to say twice that the JK probably targeted the killer and then 4 minutes after Dragon claims he JK'd me, you vote for a no elimination

[Hu Tao]

Hi Dann! Happy to play with you again. Waiting for Dragon still.

[Black]

We wait for dragon to confirm.

Drew is town.

We wait for dragon still

Hmm. Hu Tao did bus their scum buddy in Mini Normal 1094 that just ended, so it's possible

I would bus, but not bring my partners name out of no where and say quick wagon it. Either way. We wait for dragon.

Not sure. I think it's dragon or you. But I still wait for dragon

Is dragon getting a prod or something? I'm not sure how those work.

We still wait for dragon

Hi Dann! Happy to play with you again. Waiting for Dragon still.

We get it Hu Tao

[Black]

ping

@mod: please prod Dragon

[Hu Tao]

[T3]

ping

@mod: please prod Dragon

He's not in prod range.

[Black]

Ok... then prod him in 4 hours. Smh

[Hu Tao]

I'll never understand how prods work on this site

[Black]

I'll never understand how prods work on this site

It's in the rules at the beginning of the game:

Activity

1. You are expected to make at least one game-relevant post every 48 hours. Players who go 48 hours without posting will be prodded.
2. If you are prodded, you have 24 hours to post in-thread. Prod dodges do not count. If you do not respond within 24 hours, you will be replaced. Additionally, if you accumulate more than 3 prods, I may force replace you.

In this case it's only been 45 hours since the start of the Day so Dragon gets 3 more hours until he's in prod range

[geraintm]

The other possible hammerers were Drew (claimed Intent), Kyouko, and Umlaut(Town). So I suppose if for the sake of argument geraintm is town that leave's gob's buddy on the wagon or in that list. In a similar argument to geraintm, would gob's buddy stay on the wagon for cred or try to derail it by leaving? The only person that left that wagon was Black, got argued back on by Drew I guess. There was a 5 hour gap between Black going back to the wagon and geraintm's hammer coming in.

Does scum!geraintm hammer or wait for the intent given by Drew? If Drew still had intent, why did he wait after Black rejoined? geraintm's hammer felt like he hadn't been paying attention to the game, came in caught up and joined a wagon/hammer, but I acknowledge that could be purposeful. Maybe they do if they feel they need to get cred before a townie does it.

Kyouko could certainly be pocketing Black with her so far non-claim claim. But I feel like for today this should still be believed.

This feels like another rambly post, but I'm kind of just doing stream of thought.

weren't most people waiting for them to come in and speak before their death?
i am sure they would have claimed something to at least buy them a day. something that most people, even with intent, would have caused them to jump elsewhere (and if their partner was around a reason to try something somewhere else?)

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also, there isn't a read in any of those 3 posts, so, yeah, it shouldn't feel like a read progression. All 3 are mech spec

Oops. Typo. That should say "real progression"

And yeah it feels extremely fake for you to say twice that the JK probably targeted the killer and then 4 minutes after Dragon claims he JK'd me, you vote for a no elimination

Do you disagree with the reasoning for no elimination? Sounds like you're scumreading me for changing my opinion when I got new information, and at the same time you're saying I planned this with scum!Dragon which would make this a 7:3 game. So if I'm scum with dragon, it's not new information to me.

In the previous post I even said I'm not really thinking too hard until Dragon posts his results. Same thing toDay.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Think you're paranoid about being pocketed if you're town, and if you're scum you're kind of stuck here because Dragon has been jailing you.

[Black]

Also, there isn't a read in any of those 3 posts, so, yeah, it shouldn't feel like a read progression. All 3 are mech spec

Oops. Typo. That should say "real progression"

And yeah it feels extremely fake for you to say twice that the JK probably targeted the killer and then 4 minutes after Dragon claims he JK'd me, you vote for a no elimination

Do you disagree with the reasoning for no elimination? Sounds like you're scumreading me for changing my opinion when I got new information, and at the same time you're saying I planned this with scum!Dragon which would make this a 7:3 game. So if I'm scum with dragon, it's not new information to me.

In the previous post I even said I'm not really thinking too hard until Dragon posts his results. Same thing toDay.

Where in the world did you get that I think you planned this with Dragon?

I think your motive was to vote no elimination all along, just like your plan is to no kill at night

[Black]

Think you're paranoid about being pocketed if you're town, and if you're scum you're kind of stuck here because Dragon has been jailing you.

And what will you say if Dragon didn't jail me N2?

[Black]

482 - kyouko votes for me because I jumped off the gob wagon
535/542 - kyouko says Dragon probably jailed the remaining scum
641 - kyouko votes for no elimination 4 minutes after Dragon reveals that he jailed me

This is why I think kyouko's plan all along was to try and no-kill N1 and no-lim D2. If she were town then her first thought should have been "oh it's obviously Black" but instead she went straight to wanting to no-lim. That's because her plan is to reduce the PoE as little as possible, just like Dann suggested

[Doctor Drew]

482 - kyouko votes for me because I jumped off the gob wagon
535/542 - kyouko says Dragon probably jailed the remaining scum
641 - kyouko votes for no elimination 4 minutes after Dragon reveals that he jailed me

This is why I think kyouko's plan all along was to try and no-kill N1 and no-lim D2. If she were town then her first thought should have been "oh it's obviously Black" but instead she went straight to wanting to no-lim. That's because her plan is to reduce the PoE as little as possible, just like Dann suggested

Would they no kill two nights in a row though?

[Black]

Yeah good question

My only thought is to sow doubt? Keep the PoE as open as possible?

I don't think it's an optimal play so I can't really wrap my head around it

[Doctor Drew]

Yeah good question

My only thought is to sow doubt? Keep the PoE as open as possible?

I don't think it's an optimal play so I can't really wrap my head around it

Exactly, is not optimal at all.

If only Dragon was here to enlighten us with some much needed info lol.

[Black]

Still waiting for that prod

[geraintm]

This is getting awkward now

[ssbm_Kyouko]

We need to know if Dragon targeted anyone before proceeding though.
If he didn't target and there was no kill anyways it seems pretty likely the first night's lack of a kill was from scum intentionally no-killing to frame the JK target. I'm hoping this is the case because it gives us the most to work with.
If he targeted Altaria again, or targeted someone else, it's still possible scum is no-killing to frame Dragon and his targets. It seems unlikely that scum would be focus-firing Altaria on N1 and N2 with a claimed JK on the loose.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Where in the world did you get that I think you planned this with Dragon?

I misread the post(s?) where you said you thought I planned it
I thought you meant I pretyped that post and waited for Dragon to post his Night Action, implying I knew Dragon's Night Action

[T3]

Day 3 VC 2:

Black (1): Doctor Drew

Not voting (8): DragonEater70, Celebloki, geraintm, ssbm_Kyouko, Altaria, Hu Tao, Aliana, Black

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2023-12-15 21:13:00). With 8 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate and 4 to no eliminate.

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