Large Normal 246: Game Over

[Guillotina]

Outline some oh his best noobish posts please.

It’s really just the questions about scumteam size
They’re freaking standardized for Simple normal games atp, if these questions were genuine he should have gotten the memo by now. I know this game is complex but that changes nothing about how the simple guidelines established a baseline that’s set in stone.

Oh yah. This makes Random Nurse and Gamma unaligned. The whole convo of Gamma accusing RN for faking newbie play and RN getting vocally emotional over it.
These two are never partners.

[Guillotina]

No but I will soon. I'll try to get it by tonight but if not then tomorrow.

I'm not gonna read it all but i'll read the beginning and look at votes and stuff.

I just got a question though, if you have not caught up, why are you voting Kyo for then?

Because I don't find Hu Tao scummy, and among the people voting Hu Tao Kyo is the one I have voted the least in past games.

That is the reason lol. I feel like im always voting Celebloki and Gamma.

This is actually commendable I think

Oh yah, this spews Kyouko not partnered with Roden.
It rises partnership equity with Hu Tao.
Also Gamma supporting her partner there too seals the deal.

[Hu Tao]

[Guillotina]

But I don't remember you doing AtE

I’m not AtEing, just stating the facts. Fuck off.

Oh this looks good for me too, plus I'm Roden's CC so...

[Hu Tao]

How convenient

[Guillotina]

I’ll explain the SRs since those have been hashed out less I think

Black

: feels like she’s trying to skate by this day phase, there’s some ping-ponging I see in her opinions.
Timmer: feels like he’s trying to control his positioning in a scummy way.

Celeb

: I don’t trust how it seems near-everyone suspects him but that doesn’t seem to be amounting to anything

[Guillotina]

How convenient

Does it burn you inside?

[Enchant]

But I don't remember you doing AtE

I’m not AtEing, just stating the facts. Fuck off.

Oh this looks good for me too, plus I'm Roden's CC so...

Not really, mafia insult each other more willingly, especially for good cause.

It's mafia insulting town which is rare (and really bad sport)

[Hu Tao]

How convenient

Does it burn you inside?

You're funny

[Guillotina]

Like can say that Gamma could have slipped as scum for trying to AtE us with OGI stress while getting pressured which i often see scum do so.
That is based on this game, i want stuff like that.

Can you pls just fucking stop? Maybe what I posted counts as AtE but that wasn’t my intent, so you continuing to harp on about it is extremely annoying

I’ll explain the SRs since those have been hashed out less I think
Black: feels like she’s trying to skate by this day phase, there’s some ping-ponging I see in her opinions.
Timmer: feels like he’s trying to control his positioning in a scummy way.
Celeb: I don’t trust how it seems near-everyone suspects him but that doesn’t seem to be amounting to anything

Honestly im unsatisfied, this is so vague.

Of fucking course
Don’t waste my fucking time with questions you clearly aren’t interested in the answers to

Aleluyaaah

[Guillotina]

But I don't remember you doing AtE

I’m not AtEing, just stating the facts. Fuck off.

Oh this looks good for me too, plus I'm Roden's CC so...

Not really, mafia insult each other more willingly, especially for good cause.

It's mafia insulting town which is rare (and really bad sport)

Ok let's not twist what happened here, Nor Gamma insulted me or I insulted Gamma here. What Gamma did here was emotionally react to my accusations.

[Guillotina]

Fucking hell
I’m a gunsmith, stop this shit

VOTE: Hu Tao
A part of why I didn’t care for the claim was because of my role so now that it’s out there, I feel like we should go back there

Why Hu Tao over Timmer, me, or Cele?

I think Hu Tao is scum doc that tried to “trueclaim” (in quotes because the modifiers may or may not be real) and scum doc is a fake inno to my role
As for why not Celeb, bg is not a fake inno and also feels like it could be town. You and Timmer I don’t see that a vote will do anything.

Oh shit, look at this gem, this looks good for Hu Tao.

[Guillotina]

Yah Gamma tried to get Hu Tao eliminated because they were "CCs".
So Roden slot was pocketing Hu Tao and pushing Kyouko, maybe.

[Guillotina]

Why does this game feel hard even though we have killed two scum?

[Guillotina]

@Broccoli

I believe that just by Gamma alone

Random Nurse
Kyouko
Hu Tao (i hate to admit it)

Are never partnered with Gamma unless she did one hell of a distancing job with any of them.

This is taking myself from the list for obvious reasons.

From Roden, i remember you and Dunn looking unaligned as well.

[Guillotina]

I also noticed that Timmer and Gamma barely had any interactions with each other and Timmer could be her wolf partner in that rule of three.

[Guillotina]

Now im off to bed.

Sayonaraaaaaaa

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Why did mafia go for the kill on Celebloki with a claimed Doctor and with Roden's alien role being dead. That is presumably the mafia's blocking power.

or strongman

Just rereading D3 - I didn't mention it I don't think, but I kinda juggernaut/strongman being the third PR with Alien/TA would also make some sense, just thought it was more likely there was another blocker of some kind like a jailkeeper or something

I don't think it's a good idea to discuss the identity of the doctor or even whether there is a doctor or not, as that can only help scum.

Moving on, I hated Keyleth's TR of CSF's post. The fact that CSF flipped scum makes me hate it even more TBH.

VOTE: Key- Enchant

STOP PEDITING ME

Which post of Keyleth's was this? I'm sure I could find it but I quoted this post while rereading

I'm at page 11

Gamma Emerald - lean scum

Spoiler:

I claim miller

Same

jfc

Strange reaction

Gamma you've still got your rvs vote on me, why?

haven’t felt a need to move it
VOTE: KawaiiKame
They pinged me somewhat with how they unvoted kyouko, not strongly though

I feel like forgetting your vote is +scum and this reads a bit hedge-y

Random Nurse
Celebloki
Naerys-

For now my first impressions are that dave and both millers could be town.
Still too far from finding a scum, but its a start.

Was it just for the question he asked or was there more to it?

davesaz
Hu Tao - town

Spoiler: I townread all of these quotes

VT

I understand why people claim miller early on, but why throw out a VT claim on page 1? I'm coming to this site mostly from a background where claiming was against the rules, so I would love to hear how claiming this helps the town.

So scum will not target me and I can last till end game. I believe in myself to find scum as long as I'm alive long enough. Now I just need to be towny enough to not be voted out. I've eliminated half of the work.

I think Hu Tao was just joking with the VT claim

Nope. I'm VT

Timmer feels town so far

The "I'm terrible at D1" feels more like a townie trying to explain why he doesn't have many reads as opposed to Mafia worried about their optics

They seem curious but scum can also be curious so I'm not giving them that easy of a town read so far.

Elements is a champion baffler for sure.

I'm not inclined to vote for the millers. I think I agree with Gamma's take.

Not sure why but this post gives me scum pings. I wish I could tell you why

I belive Dunn and ssbm's claim. Unless the small chance they are scum together or scum informed of miller's in this game. Either way, I wouldn't want them today at the very least. If there are actual millers, there is likely a way to confirm that somehow regardless.

Broccoli Quest 2
Guillotina
Cat Scratch Fever
Keyleth
Dunnstral - I was inclined to believe the miller claim out of the gate but kind of hate his posting (sorry). I dunno
KawaiiKame - town
ssbm_Kyouko - town
TimmerRC - early posts spoilered below kinda pinged scum but then 111 was good

Spoiler:

VT

I understand why people claim miller early on, but why throw out a VT claim on page 1? I'm coming to this site mostly from a background where claiming was against the rules, so I would love to hear how claiming this helps the town.

It's been awhile, remind me why voting millers is the best option?

Elements - town for having zero filter and just livetweeting every thought she has into the void
Andresvmb
Black

Sick CSF having a really good post can mean they get the day 1 pass because I would feel bad otherwise.

I thought that post by CSF was an obvscum post but I thought liking it was just ridiculous so I voted Key instead

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Why does this game feel hard even though we have killed two scum?

I know, right? It just feels like there's no one except Timmer who could be scum but there are two scum left.

@Broccoli

I believe that just by Gamma alone

Random Nurse
Kyouko
Hu Tao (i hate to admit it)

Are never partnered with Gamma unless she did one hell of a distancing job with any of them.

This is taking myself from the list for obvious reasons.

From Roden, i remember you and Dunn looking unaligned as well.

Okay, thanks for re-affriming my thoughts. I am fine with Hu Tao being town for now.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

One thing though regarding mechanical speculation:

Jingle is renowned for being really good at balancing games, so I expect this game to be impeccably balanced.

I went over the last ~8 Large Normal 17ers, and in all of them town had between 4 and 6 PR points (where a full cop is 2 PR points, a full JK is 1 PR point, and a 1-shot roleblocker is 0.5 PR points), with the average being (surprisingly) 5 PR points. Also scum had on average 2.5 PRs (but they are often pretty weak ones, like various 1-shots), so having two mafia goons with 5 PR points is definitely not out of the question.

In this setup we have:
Rolecop - 1 PR point
Babysitter Hider - 1 PR point

And the following claims:
2x Miller - 0 PR points
Odd Night Messenger Even Night Friendly Neighbor - I'd say this is equivalent to an IC, so 1 PR point
1-Shot Friendly Neighbor - half an IC, so probably 0.5 PR points
2-Shot Indecisive Doctor - Doctor is a strong role, but this one is severely gated, so 0.5-1 PR points.
Macho Combined Bodyguard Disloyal Vigilante - I'd say this is equivalent to a Weak Cop, which is like 1-1.5 PR points?
Simple Neighborizer - Basically a vanilla cop, 0.5 PR points.

If all claims are real we have 6 PR points. And like I said, our mod likes perfectly balanced games so I feel this might be overkill unless scum has another strong PR (the Alien is a pretty strong PR tbh). However if it were any other mod I could believe all the claims were real. I should probably ask the mod in the postgame if my assessment of this is correct.

So with that in mind, I guess I think it's likely there's scum in the PRs? Mechanically talking, if it's Guillo and Naerys then that would be perfect to put us down to 5 PR points, but I'm heavily townreading Guillo. Maybe davesaz? I could see his role being a scum role. I guess Dunn/Andres also works. Kyoko doesn't work.

I don't think it's Nurse because like Enchant said, he could never just make up such a fake claim and I feel if he was scum his teammate wouldn't make up a role that Nurse himself wouldn't understand. And also he's still cleared by interactions with Gamma.

What I do think this confirms is that we can't have 3 goons this game, because then it would be extremely townsided. So if we kill a second goon (maybe Timmer?), anyone who gets confirmed as vanilla also gets soft cleared as town.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

VOTE:

Timmer

[Enchant]

@Mod Celebloki are not in Playerlist. Help.

[Enchant]

Celebloki are also "Alive" in this phase.

[Random Nurse]

Hu Tao doesn't want to be checked. Okay.

VOTE: Hu Tao

I'm getting this sense as well.

[Naerys]

I can see a universe of enchant+ nurse scum tbh