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VOTE: Gamma Emerald
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Omg maybe inventor could give a gun to scum vigilante if it exists so they can get a triple kill!In post 8, DragonEater70 wrote: Btw, my initial thought because this game is 12 players and complex is that there's probably only 2 scum but one is a vigilante
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MoodIn post 20, DragonEater70 wrote: I'm bored-
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Good thing the scum team are werewolves in this game!
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Eh, I feel like it easily could be read the other way (as the "of course" being an overcompensation) to a point of it probably being NAI?In post 39, Black wrote:
I'm actually townreading this a littleIn post 13, Naerys wrote: As always, town
I think scum might be more likely to just say "I'm town" or something but the "as always" feels like it could maybe be legit exasperation-
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If I had to give a read of her either way right now, I'd say town for now, due to seemingly beginning to try and solve early in 39-
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I play off the vibes of other players early game until I see something substantial that I can latch onto. DE70 was being jokey, so I was being jokey too.In post 54, Hu Tao wrote:This is a serious vote. Based on ~vibes~ so far, Thom seems different right now compared to the game that I was in with him where he was town. I'm not quite sure how to explain it but it feels like he's nervous. But maybe that could just be a basic read since there isn't much to go off right now
You are correct though tbf, I am probably playing different than the game you are referencing, because the vibes at the start were different.-
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I want to wait for Katsuki to post again, but I do have something I want to say once they do.-
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More so because of this post than the other one, this feels like almost the exact same way you questioned me during the Micro I think you are referencing, which does make me think you could be scum.In post 61, Hu Tao wrote:
So based on that, what do you think of my alignment? Do you think I'm town for thinking this or do you think it's something I could make up as scum? Since you did confirm that you are playing different than before when you were town.In post 59, Thomith wrote:
I play off the vibes of other players early game until I see something substantial that I can latch onto. DE70 was being jokey, so I was being jokey too.In post 54, Hu Tao wrote:This is a serious vote. Based on ~vibes~ so far, Thom seems different right now compared to the game that I was in with him where he was town. I'm not quite sure how to explain it but it feels like he's nervous. But maybe that could just be a basic read since there isn't much to go off right now
You are correct though tbf, I am probably playing different than the game you are referencing, because the vibes at the start were different.-
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In post 80, Hu Tao wrote:
How did I question you then?In post 68, Thomith wrote:
More so because of this post than the other one, this feels like almost the exact same way you questioned me during the Micro I think you are referencing, which does make me think you could be scum.In post 61, Hu Tao wrote:
So based on that, what do you think of my alignment? Do you think I'm town for thinking this or do you think it's something I could make up as scum? Since you did confirm that you are playing different than before when you were town.In post 59, Thomith wrote:
I play off the vibes of other players early game until I see something substantial that I can latch onto. DE70 was being jokey, so I was being jokey too.In post 54, Hu Tao wrote:This is a serious vote. Based on ~vibes~ so far, Thom seems different right now compared to the game that I was in with him where he was town. I'm not quite sure how to explain it but it feels like he's nervous. But maybe that could just be a basic read since there isn't much to go off right now
You are correct though tbf, I am probably playing different than the game you are referencing, because the vibes at the start were different.
Im on my phone so cant quote amazingly but when you were questioning me early game in that micro you said things like this;
"Could you explain your thoughts on Black? Seems like she's saying the post is not weird, and thus her vote on me is for that. But you admit it is weird since you did it on purpose. What are your thoughts on the discrepancies there."
The line of questioning "you admit X was weird/different" feels almost the exact same.-
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In post 48, DragonEater70 wrote: Katsuki what exactly does your role do
These 3 posts about Katsukis claim make me want to keep an eye on these slots.In post 63, Gamma Emerald wrote: I think Katsuki’s claim deserves a closer glance
Not sure it’s real but it makes me look askance
I feel like it was obvious the Juggernaut claim was a joke, and I do feel like it could be an easy opportunity for an opportunistic scum to jump on that.-
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It feels less potentially opportunistic than the other 3 posts I mentioned so I wasnt overly focusing on it tbh.In post 109, Katsuki wrote:
Any thoughts on davesaz?In post 108, Thomith wrote:In post 48, DragonEater70 wrote: Katsuki what exactly does your role do
These 3 posts about Katsukis claim make me want to keep an eye on these slots.In post 63, Gamma Emerald wrote: I think Katsuki’s claim deserves a closer glance
Not sure it’s real but it makes me look askance
I feel like it was obvious the Juggernaut claim was a joke, and I do feel like it could be an easy opportunity for an opportunistic scum to jump on that.
I feel like it seems similar to my initial reaction, I just didn't say something sooner because I didn't want to guide your response to the questioning.-
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Why?In post 116, Naerys wrote:
This post actually makes me SR Thom.In post 108, Thomith wrote:In post 48, DragonEater70 wrote: Katsuki what exactly does your role do
These 3 posts about Katsukis claim make me want to keep an eye on these slots.In post 63, Gamma Emerald wrote: I think Katsuki’s claim deserves a closer glance
Not sure it’s real but it makes me look askance
I feel like it was obvious the Juggernaut claim was a joke, and I do feel like it could be an easy opportunity for an opportunistic scum to jump on that.
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I felt like from the tone of the post it was quite obviously a joke, and secondly it literally says scum only on the wiki, which we are linked to in the opening posts, which is why I also was pretty sure it was a joke.In post 130, DragonEater70 wrote: I mean tbf he does say it was "obvious"
Eh I could see that this is probably slightly >rand scum
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Again, it is literally mentioned in the opening posts that this is a villager vs werewolf game?In post 146, davesaz wrote:
The anti-town faction would know what their name is. If there were not other clues that it isn't "mafia" like usual, it would be potentially interesting to mention it.In post 120, DragonEater70 wrote:
Wdym?In post 82, davesaz wrote: Thomith's mention of werewolves would have made my eyeballs go click but it's a reasonable guess given clues in the rules post.-
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Do you think there couldn't have been town motivation for this?In post 162, Naerys wrote:
The way Hu just started to push Dragon, only bcz of her hut feeling feels meh. Could be attempt to lead attention away from ThomIn post 159, Black wrote:
I'm curious about both of these readsIn post 158, Naerys wrote: Hu plus Thom might be buddies-
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UNVOTE:In post 153, DragonEater70 wrote:
Hmmm sureIn post 137, Thomith wrote:
I felt like from the tone of the post it was quite obviously a joke, and secondly it literally says scum only on the wiki, which we are linked to in the opening posts, which is why I also was pretty sure it was a joke.In post 130, DragonEater70 wrote: I mean tbf he does say it was "obvious"
Eh I could see that this is probably slightly >rand scum
VOTE: Thomith
VOTE: Gamma
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The fact that I am getting so much heat for "TMI" knowing that Juggernaut was a scum only role, when we are linked to a page where ot says this, does make me think there is at least one scum pushing me for this as an easy vote (throwing TMI around is an easy way to get a wagon started imo).
I feel like theres a scum in DE70/Gamma Emerald/Naerys because of this.-
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If you were also pretty sure Katsuki was joking, why are you suspecting me for TMI for also being pretty sure it was a joke?In post 228, DragonEater70 wrote:
FWIW I was pretty sure Katsuki was joking but I asked them in case it was the 1% where they weren't jokingIn post 202, KittyTacky wrote:
Why is everyone so sure of this being a slip and not a joke claim.In post 70, davesaz wrote: Agree Katsuki's post is interesting.
Makes me think it's my first time witnessing a slip, after lecturing people for a couple months on how they don't happen.
Someone claiming an evil role within the first few pages is 99% of the time joking. I mean it could be a 1000000IQ play where they're telling the truth and passing it off as a joke, but really?-
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Why do you disagree?In post 253, Hu Tao wrote: I disagree-
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Why is this a bad vote, compared to the other people that voted you?In post 259, DragonEater70 wrote:
Bad voteIn post 241, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
VOTE: DragonIn post 235, Black wrote:Why do you do this
VOTE: Kyuoko
Do you think Naerys is town?In post 254, Gamma Emerald wrote: I really don’t vibe with the Naerys votes
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Gamma posting in rhyme, while I absolutely am enjoying it, is making me find it harder to read it this game.-
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Other than me, do you scumread anyone?
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That is absolutely terrifyingIn post 279, Black wrote:In post 276, DragonEater70 wrote:Still waiting for the day I roll scum with Black
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Dragon just spewed the entire scum teamIn post 283, DragonEater70 wrote:
Don't worry you can be the third scumIn post 278, Naerys wrote:
Please no, i want atleast some chance to winIn post 276, DragonEater70 wrote:Still waiting for the day I roll scum with Black
It would be soooo fun
*furiously scribbles notes*
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What makes you feel like Black and Dragon are town?In post 316, davesaz wrote: Black and Dragon feel town.
I want to look at Gamma's vote. I have a potentially interesting take on the rhyme gimmick but will need more data to firm it up.
Naerys reason on Thomith feels genuine from memory but I don't think it's correct.
Hu Tao is showing a lot of range on having a variable play style. Despite noticing that I will have to re-read a couple things that I'm not sure on whether they're wrong theory or disingenous.-
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VOTE: DragonEater70
I still am getting bad vibes from him jumping on my wagon, seemingly agrees with the reasoning to my wagon, jumped off it soon after saying he thought the same thing I did, then claimed to not have agreed with the reasoning in the first place?-
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In post 129, DragonEater70 wrote: You are correct about that, but I could see Thomith thinking that as townIn post 130, DragonEater70 wrote: I mean tbf he does say it was "obvious"
Eh I could see that this is probably slightly >rand scum
VOTE: ThomithIn post 228, DragonEater70 wrote:
FWIW I was pretty sure Katsuki was joking but I asked them in case it was the 1% where they weren't jokingIn post 202, KittyTacky wrote:
Why is everyone so sure of this being a slip and not a joke claim.In post 70, davesaz wrote: Agree Katsuki's post is interesting.
Makes me think it's my first time witnessing a slip, after lecturing people for a couple months on how they don't happen.
Someone claiming an evil role within the first few pages is 99% of the time joking. I mean it could be a 1000000IQ play where they're telling the truth and passing it off as a joke, but really?In post 231, DragonEater70 wrote:
I agreeIn post 217, Hu Tao wrote: Off of tone I think kitty is town here
I voted you for possibly TMI'ing it was a joke, not for TMI'ing that it's a scum only roleIn post 218, Thomith wrote: The fact that I am getting so much heat for "TMI" knowing that Juggernaut was a scum only role, when we are linked to a page where ot says this, does make me think there is at least one scum pushing me for this as an easy vote (throwing TMI around is an easy way to get a wagon started imo).
I feel like theres a scum in DE70/Gamma Emerald/Naerys because of this.
Is that a weak reason for a vote? Sure. Did I use it anyway? Yes, because it's early and I don't really have solid scumreads right now.
Nah.In post 219, KittyTacky wrote: And that scum is Naerys.
Like I do not understand this progression at all.In post 234, DragonEater70 wrote:
I am not really, I literally told Naerys I thought she was wrong about it, but I could see a world where it was TMI and I decided to put a vote there just to see what happensIn post 233, Thomith wrote:
If you were also pretty sure Katsuki was joking, why are you suspecting me for TMI for also being pretty sure it was a joke?In post 228, DragonEater70 wrote:
FWIW I was pretty sure Katsuki was joking but I asked them in case it was the 1% where they weren't jokingIn post 202, KittyTacky wrote:
Why is everyone so sure of this being a slip and not a joke claim.In post 70, davesaz wrote: Agree Katsuki's post is interesting.
Makes me think it's my first time witnessing a slip, after lecturing people for a couple months on how they don't happen.
Someone claiming an evil role within the first few pages is 99% of the time joking. I mean it could be a 1000000IQ play where they're telling the truth and passing it off as a joke, but really?
Your response was fine so I unvoted
It almost feels like he slipped up saying he also felt it was a joke, then tried to cover his tracks when questioned further about it.-
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I'll catch up with this game properly later, but happy new year from a very tipsy Thomith-
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To me it feels like you were giving yourself an out to my wagon, which it felt like you then used to back off once you "slipped up" and stated you also thought it was a joke.In post 347, DragonEater70 wrote: I don't get what's the slip up thing is about?
I was pretty sure Katsuki wasn't claiming Juggernaut for real, because that would be silly, but I also thought their post didn't really look like a joke post (maybe I'm too used to the overdone humor of gen z or something), and I thought maybe they were claiming a different role, so I decided to ask them about it. Then Naerys said you TMI'd, I said I don't think so, but then I actually reread your post and I thought that there was SOME SLIGHT CHANCE that the way you phrased it could indicate TMI, so I voted you. Then I thought your explanation was fine and it wasn't TMI, so I unvoted.
Where's the inconsistency here? I don't see it.
I dont recall you saying it was the way I phrased it (other than me saying "obvious", which dont see as any different to you saying you were "pretty sure" it was a joke) but maybe I missed that.-
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I feel like I'll need to see Kyoukos reasoning for the vote after being questioned for it to fully form an opinion, but I could see it just being a reaction to you continuing to vote yourself (I believe the baked vote was done before you explained that you like being Wagoned early?)
It will fully depend on how she responds to the question of the naked vote though.-
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I feel like this is NAI, because I could see this being scum defending someone they know as a Townie, but could also see it as a Townie noticing someone getting dogpiled for a (imo) meh reason, and not liking it.
I'd like to hear if you still think Naerys is scummy though CCS.
I'm inclined to town read this vote, but that could just be because I agree with the reasoning behind it, I do think there is at least one scum in the people that jumped on Katsuki for the Juggernaut claim.
This vote is the weirdest on the wagon to me, just because I cant tell just from this if Katsuki thinks Naerys is scum, but I don't think jumping on a wagon early on with little reasoning is inherently scum only behaviour?In post 339, Katsuki wrote:In post 306, Katsuki wrote:
I'm at a point where I'm quite content to sit back and see how things play out. I'm also somewhat rusty and mishandled my posting regarding dave so kinda gave him an easy out of any potential pressure. Rushed my posting and gave him the chance to use the convenient excuse ofIn post 293, DragonEater70 wrote: @Katsuki, is your top scumread davesaz currently? And is that based just on him claiming not to have a background with you even though je should have, or is there more to it?"oh I forgot". The rest of his posting has been underwhelming and given me no reason to not trust my gut for now.
There is one player I'd be happy to see nom'ed today, but with the current game state there's no realistic chance of me getting support for their nom today so in the meantime I'm just going to chill until flips hopefully go my way to enable me to nail a wagon onto them.
Just wanted to clarify by the first sentence, that has nothing to do davesaz and should've been a different line. Meant to read that I'm content with this game state and how the day is progressing to let my reads continue develop.
Our votes are quite scattered at the moment as well so lets spice things up a bit.
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If the wagon was more serious/it was later in the day, I could see it potentially being opportunistic, like an easy reason to jump on a wagon, but I feel like it wasnt like that, since at that point I think it felt like the wagon wasnt going to lead to your Lim, at least during that push?In post 380, DragonEater70 wrote:
Okay so assuming it is a reaction to voting myself, what do you think about the vote?In post 378, Thomith wrote: I feel like I'll need to see Kyoukos reasoning for the vote after being questioned for it to fully form an opinion, but I could see it just being a reaction to you continuing to vote yourself (I believe the baked vote was done before you explained that you like being Wagoned early?)
It will fully depend on how she responds to the question of the naked vote though.
Again how I feel about the vote completely, does depend on if Kyouko keeps voting you, and if she does, the reasons she gives for doing so.-
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Im focusing on you the most because right now I think you're the scum in the Naerys/DE70/Gamma group. I am commenting on other things and asking questions when something catches my attention, so to say I'm ignoring everything else going on on the game is false.
I have given my thoughts on the two other things you have asked me about, I just am more convinced on my read on you right now than my understanding of those things.
I need to see more from Kyo (there may have been since I last checker, I haven't reread the thread yet), before I think I'll be able to read her either way, to see if I get the townvibes from her that I did in 09:12.-
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The main thing that pings me, because scum used to do this a LOT when I last played, is people pointing out things that are weird but not necessarily scummy, that could lead to easy wagons.
It's why I didn't like people focusing on the Juggernaut claim.
I also don't like Dave focusing so much on Gamma rhyming, because it feels like a similar situation.-
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It genuinely feels like you're just jumping where the wagons are to see what sticks, which is screaming being very opportunistic to me.
Granted, I could be tunelled and you're doing this to create pressure, but the reason I'm unsure of this is because you are also claiming you're willing to vote elsewhere, not fully committing to a push.
You asked a question, then jumped on me even though you were thinking pretty much the same thing regarding the claim, then seemed to backtrack when you said that you had the same reasoning, which is what properly pinged me about your slot.
You're saying I'm scum that doesn't know how to jump off your wagon without looking weird, but I already have a tonne of heat on me, so if I was scum, why would I continue to push the points that got me heat in the first place?-
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Because of my point here, feels like a way for scum to jump on an easy point to look like they are trying to solve.In post 108, Thomith wrote:In post 48, DragonEater70 wrote: Katsuki what exactly does your role do
These 3 posts about Katsukis claim make me want to keep an eye on these slots.In post 63, Gamma Emerald wrote: I think Katsuki’s claim deserves a closer glance
Not sure it’s real but it makes me look askance
I feel like it was obvious the Juggernaut claim was a joke, and I do feel like it could be an easy opportunity for an opportunistic scum to jump on that.-
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Who is least townie then?In post 449, davesaz wrote:
I don't think I've seen much if anything that's overtly scummy. Lots of contenders for least towny, so many that I'd have to think about it.In post 416, Black wrote:
Ok, that's fair. Who do you think is scum?In post 415, davesaz wrote:
Yesterday up to when I started posting today, for the most obvious reason of all.In post 411, Black wrote: Why haven't you gone back to your To Do List in 316 yet?
408 is part of the followup.
I can't expand much on the reason for the Hu Tao observation without getting into a forbidden subject. The correct way to read that comment is that it's going to make it hard to get a read on her.
As someone who goes primarily by memory, breaks like holidays wreak havoc on me.-
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I was typing out a response to this but during it I realised I think I'm just tunelled, because I found myself disagreeing with the reasons I was writing.In post 460, DragonEater70 wrote:
Idk whyIn post 434, Thomith wrote: It genuinely feels like you're just jumping where the wagons are to see what sticks, which is screaming being very opportunistic to me.
Granted, I could be tunelled and you're doing this to create pressure, but the reason I'm unsure of this is because you are also claiming you're willing to vote elsewhere, not fully committing to a push.
You asked a question, then jumped on me even though you were thinking pretty much the same thing regarding the claim, then seemed to backtrack when you said that you had the same reasoning, which is what properly pinged me about your slot.
You're saying I'm scum that doesn't know how to jump off your wagon without looking weird, but I already have a tonne of heat on me, so if I was scum, why would I continue to push the points that got me heat in the first place?
I just feel your posting is a lot more awkward compared to Micro 1094 and Open 893. You sounded a lot more confident and light hearted in those games than here.
Here your tone feels like you aren't really sure of what you are saying and you are looking for reasons to justify it / prove it, rather than you genuinely believe it.
I also don't buy that you actually think it's scummy to change my mind on you.
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Why Katsuki?In post 485, Naerys wrote:
VOTE: KatsukiIn post 476, Katsuki wrote:
Edit: the link wasn't working with the [img] tag (because it wasn't, scrictly, a link to an image). Original post:Spoiler:-
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I feel lost so ima sheep a town read
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What were you hoping to achieve with this question?In post 519, Hu Tao wrote: Why is snivy on E-1 so quickly?-
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Huh?In post 537, JacksonVirgo wrote: Thomith are you zippydoo?-
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Who do you scumread? Who do you townread?
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Do you think there are scum in your wagon? If so, who do you think it could be?In post 541, camelCasedSnivy wrote:
oh my godIn post 529, Black wrote:
Pretty much sameIn post 518, Gamma Emerald wrote: Most of CCS’ new posts don’t sway me from the cause
But the reaction to the wagon formation gives me pause
I don't like how snivy is focusing on Naerys voting Katsuki when I thought Naerys made it pretty clear that she voted her because she didn't like the dead Pokemon image-
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I feel like after you stopped pushing me, you haven't done a huge amount solving wise.In post 542, Naerys wrote:
Black is goddess indeedIn post 541, camelCasedSnivy wrote:
oh my godIn post 529, Black wrote:
Pretty much sameIn post 518, Gamma Emerald wrote: Most of CCS’ new posts don’t sway me from the cause
But the reaction to the wagon formation gives me pause
I don't like how snivy is focusing on Naerys voting Katsuki when I thought Naerys made it pretty clear that she voted her because she didn't like the dead Pokemon image
Do you still suspect Gamma? Do you suspect anyone else?-
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I think Naerys is paying in a way where she probably ends up spewing her alignment at some point anyway, so I dont think I want to lim her today?
This is a entirely different Naerys than I've seem before tbh so I'm not too sure how to read her yet.-
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I'm not even sure how I'm supposed to respond to this lmao.In post 609, Naerys wrote:
I suppose limming vanilla doesnt feel juicy enough to you?In post 608, Thomith wrote: I think Naerys is paying in a way where she probably ends up spewing her alignment at some point anyway, so I dont think I want to lim her today?
I don't know why you claimed with 3 votes on you but sure.-
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Checking in to acknowledge I've skimread and caught up.
I'll respond to Jackson at some point today.
I do think his push on me feels town, because I dont really see scum push a new wagon here when there are others they can easily join.
Interested to see what Black and Naerys' plans are to try and figure out those motivations at some point too.-
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It's been literal years since I rolled scum so I honestly cant say exactly how I'd play it nowadays.In post 613, JacksonVirgo wrote: Yo Thom, what type of wolf are you typically?
When I used to play before, I used to skate by on posting actively while not actively doing a huge amount. I'd only post reads when prompted and would usually echo other peoples ideas for the most part so when people I was SRing did flip town, other people would likely take the fall over me.
If I was playing with people who had played with me as town, I'd actively try and mimic how I played before, so they'd townread me and I had somebody on my side, but I did this a bit too obviously and got caught for it more than once
I pefered to sit back and watch situations unfold so I could play reactionary, rather than take active steps to take over the game.
I'd like to think my play is better now than it was 8 or 9 years ago when i was a teenager, but who knows tbh. That's probably the best answer I can give you atm.
I dont know how else to respond to this other than say that the way Hu Tao was questioning me in the early pages of this game was almost exactly the same as they did in the Micro I was talking about, which is why I was pinged early on that Hu Tao could be a wolf.
I concede that it isn't the strongest reason, which is why I didn't push it that far, but it was so early in the game there wasnt much else to go off of.
Would you have rather me have said "null because nothing has happened yet"?
Do you not think this could be faked? Is Hu Tao the only person doing this?In post 623, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Because you're undeniably yourself, you read natural. You read like you're saying what comes in your head right as it comes in, without stopping to think about how you would look. Things like this, just pure.In post 621, Hu Tao wrote:
Why do I look the best?In post 619, JacksonVirgo wrote: As it stands now, Thom/Black look the worst and Hu Tao looks the best
To confirm, just so I know I'm not missing something else I can actively defend against, you think I'm a wolf because Black TRed me too easily?In post 659, JacksonVirgo wrote: That being said I do think Thom is wolfy, especially regarding that part I spoke about regarding not wanting somebody to town-read another too easily
VOTE: Thom
I will say since it seems like you think I could be faking reads or coming up with easy reads ect.
The reads I have been pushing were getting me heat, but i continued pushing them because i genuinely believe them, and wasnt going to start lying about my reads and what I thought just because of what I was saying was getting me heat.
If I was scum, and faking reads like it seems to be suggested, why would I not try and find a way to change the reads I was pushing to rey and get heat off of me, rather than double down and try and explain my reasoning?-
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Why are we scum together?In post 726, Naerys wrote:
Thom+katsuki are scumIn post 686, Katsuki wrote: I've been waffling on the original post I had and have decided to withhold it for now.
Where I am right now, I still think that Dragon is most likely to flip scum out of the leading nom candidates based off of a number of factors. I also have a sneaking suspicion that there's a good chance he is the strongest PR the wolves have.
Normally I'd be perfectly fine with D1 nomming CCS slot contribution, but I really don't like how that wagon came about. We went from stalled wagons 3 votes apiece on Dragon, Naerys and Thomith, with Thomith being the counterwagon with dragon and naerys voting for him, to suddenly being able to construct a wagon on the lurker. Nothing in his posting had changed, he could've been voted or examined at any time during the day, but no one thought to mention him at all until it came to WAGON HO!
Currently where I'm sitting looks roughly like this.
CONFTOWN:
ME
STRONGTOWN:
KYOUKO
KITTY
TOWN:
HUTAO
GE
LIKELY TOWN
THOMITH (conf town if Dragon+Naerys both flip scum)
That leaves davesaz, CCS, Jackson, Black, dragon and Naerys.
dave I'm firmly null on atm.
CCS is null leaning town
JACKSON I'm tempted to toss him into the town pile.
That conveniently leaves dragon, black and naerys. Is the game really this easy? Maybe. I'm pretty confident that there's at least two scum in that pool (wouldn't shock me if I nailed all 3, but would surprise me a bit playing with a new group of players). I quite like what Black has been doing from a scum perspective, and in my eyes it makes the most sense that it stems from Dragon being scum. Plus, she's no longer a fluffy adorable Umbreon. If Dragon flips scum, she is buddy #1 and needs to be TURBONOMMED accordingly.
So TL;DR, at the moment I think the game is fairly straight forward, with Dragon likely to be scum and his buddies being pretty obvious post-flip. Therefore I'm happiest with a Dragon nom today.
I need to find the last one-
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Katsukis or mine, or both?In post 728, Naerys wrote: Those wall posts are legit scummy
Are you saying that you SR us both I individually then, or that we have partner equity?-
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I dont understand why you're actively just being unhelpful.
I've legitimately never seen you like this before.-
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Yeah it feels like the obvious answer, but idk why you'd say that out loud either.
I will say if its true, I likely get shot and we have 2 town dead at the end of Day 1.-
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What the hell is going on-
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Oh I guess... that explains it?In post 738, DragonEater70 wrote:
The hell does that mean? Like not offense-wise, but there's literally no player on this site whose playstyle I cannot characterize as idiosyncratic in some way.In post 736, KittyTacky wrote:
Yes but (and I mean no offense) they seem a bit like a generic player... it's not that I can't read them, I just have no idea about the meta.In post 724, JacksonVirgo wrote: Has anybody played with Dragon before?
Also I've accidentally become Not_Mafia and will insta hammer any wagon that gets E-1.
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Quoting because I still think I feel the same.In post 720, Thomith wrote: Checking in to acknowledge I've skimread and caught up.
I'll respond to Jackson at some point today.
I do think his push on me feels town, because I dont really see scum push a new wagon here when there are others they can easily join.
Interested to see what Black and Naerys' plans are to try and figure out those motivations at some point too.
There were two easy wagons they could have just jumped on without much pushback, but instead they started a new wagon, which I think is a bold move for scum to make, unless we are in the exact word where it's a CCS/Naerys/Jackson scumteam but that seems like a huge stretch.
The progression they have on people seems genuine to me, and I feel like the effort does also seem pretty genuine, so I townlean them atm.-
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Sorry my mistake, I thought Naerys was the other wagon - CCS/Naerys/Jackson should be CCS/DE70/Jackson.In post 748, Thomith wrote:
Quoting because I still think I feel the same.In post 720, Thomith wrote: Checking in to acknowledge I've skimread and caught up.
I'll respond to Jackson at some point today.
I do think his push on me feels town, because I dont really see scum push a new wagon here when there are others they can easily join.
Interested to see what Black and Naerys' plans are to try and figure out those motivations at some point too.
There were two easy wagons they could have just jumped on without much pushback, but instead they started a new wagon, which I think is a bold move for scum to make, unless we are in the exact word where it's a CCS/Naerys/Jackson scumteam but that seems like a huge stretch.
The progression they have on people seems genuine to me, and I feel like the effort does also seem pretty genuine, so I townlean them atm.
Basically unless both of their scum partners were being wagoned, I feel like it would be odd for Jackson to start a new wagon when they could join one easily.-
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I can see that, but I feel like it would look more forced in that case though? I'm following Jacksons progression and to me it felt genuine?In post 750, Black wrote: I don't think I agree with the premise that scum try to avoid starting new wagons. I think it's more risky for them to jump on wagons that have already gained some momentum because it can come across as opportunistic. Starting a new wagon and going against the grain is usually pretty safe and often times viewed as them trying to solve the game-
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Asteriscs are reads I'm more confident about but this is where I roughly stand right now I think.In post 751, Black wrote: What are your most confident reads Thommyboy
Black*
JacksonVirgo*
Gamma Emerald
ssbm_kyouko
KittyTacky
Naerys
DragonEater70
Katsuki
Hu Tao*
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To clarify why Hu Tao isn't down at the bottom as scummiest, but is more confident, is that Hu Tao hasn't done a lot actively scummy, which is why I dont have them as scummiest, but my gut is still pinging strongly that their play and tone feels so similar to the Micro that I have a hard time believing they are town.
I dont necessarily want to fade them right now, because again, they haven't dont a lot actively scummy, and I could be tunelled on the wing thing.
I struggle to read Hu Tao generally I fear, which is why while im confident, im not convinced if that makes any sense?-
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