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[Hu Tao]

VOTE: KittyTacky - will explain later

Instead of voting town, vote scum kyouko with me

[Thomith]

I feel lost so ima sheep a town read

VOTE: CCS

which townread was it? if it was black you could join us now

It was Black.
I really dislike this post though, so I think I'm fine here for now.

[Thomith]

*and if its gamma emerald ill sheep you on ssbm_kyouko

What the hell is this?
I dislike this post even more.

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: KittyTacky - will explain later

Instead of voting town, vote scum kyouko with me

I don't really see them as a wolf

[davesaz]

VOTE: KittyTacky - will explain later

Instead of voting town, vote scum kyouko with me

You seem pretty sure of town!Kitty, what's driving that?

[KittyTacky]

Actually I got a few minutes to spare before I have to go, I want this slot to be pressured more. They're not doing nearly enough, and I wanted to see if their apprehensive demeanour was something they usually do but as they hadn't answered me I will have to go from my own understanding of them. Whenever they seem to make any argument they seem to be able to do it with no real issues but when poked even a small bit they back out in one form or another, I don't like that at all. They're walking on egg-shells. In addition, I myself have a theory I wanna poke at and that is if majority of the vocal players are town in this game, scum!kitty would be more likely to be apprehensive like they are as they wouldn't want to overstep, this is just a off the brain theory though I hold no weight to that.

I haven't answered you because my catchup got interrupted.

And well yes I'm usually rather apprehensive.

Day 1 I suck at making reads so I just poke wherever to try and gather reactions. Sometimes I get pushed or ran up for it. I'm something of limbait d1.

[KittyTacky]

I don't think I agree with the premise that scum try to avoid starting new wagons. I think it's more risky for them to jump on wagons that have already gained some momentum because it can come across as opportunistic. Starting a new wagon and going against the grain is usually pretty safe and often times viewed as them trying to solve the game

Same. It just doesn't make much sense as a take.

I mean some scum players definitely are passive like that but scumteams that just follow the wagons like windvanes rarely win games.

[KittyTacky]

Naerys and DE70 are where they are on the list because I feel like they're just acting fucking weird, so I dont really know how to read that.

Naerys is indeed very erratic this game but DE70 weird how? Maybe I'm getting that thing where I'm blind to a specific player's style.

[KittyTacky]

Dunno I think DE is town.

[KittyTacky]

I think when it comes to the day ending wagon
I’m fine if it’s either Snivy or Dragon

Snivy fine. I'm mostly sheeping people's reads of that slot. But I just don't see Dragon being particularly scummy here.

[KittyTacky]

btw I am in a bit of a rough spot IRL wise so if I'm gone for more than a day then don't think I'm lurking on purpose ok?

[KittyTacky]

Has anybody played with Dragon before?

Yes but (and I mean no offense) they seem a bit like a generic player... it's not that I can't read them, I just have no idea about the meta.

Can you link a town game of yours?

viewtopic.php?t=91890

[KittyTacky]

Hu and Black hard town imho.

[JacksonVirgo]

Has anybody played with Dragon before?

Yes but (and I mean no offense) they seem a bit like a generic player... it's not that I can't read them, I just have no idea about the meta.

Can you link a town game of yours?

viewtopic.php?t=91890

Oh lol that game I repped into and didn't backread.

I gave your ISO there, and here a quick skim and correct me if I'm ever wrong here and I'll look at it with a more focused lens but it appears you had much more of a backbone in that game, you seemed to stood by with your thoughts a lot more confidently than you are doing here. Here's a few posts from each game that I feel should be you acting similarly but you're not, I went out of my way to actively look for a post you were apprehensive about in that game and found one, and even with that being said you were exponentially

less

apprehensive than you seem to be in this game. If I picked bad examples, please let me know and I can try and analyse deeper this is just a surface scrape of both ISO's

Spoiler: This Game

Thats basically scum confession
VOTE: Katsuki

Katsuki what exactly does your role do

I think Katsuki’s claim deserves a closer glance
Not sure it’s real but it makes me look askance

These 3 posts about Katsukis claim make me want to keep an eye on these slots.
I feel like it was obvious the Juggernaut claim was a joke, and I do feel like it could be an easy opportunity for an opportunistic scum to jump on that.

This post actually makes me SR Thom.
VOTE: Thomith

Why?

The fact that juggernaut claim is joke can be obvious only to scum. Plus it feels like you felt a chance to put some shade on us

I'm sorry if this comes across as rude but this post feels like being dense on purpose.

(No opinion on Hu Tao btw, I'm scared of Hu Tao as either alignment, no idea how to read HT just like no idea how to read FL.)

Thats basically scum confession
VOTE: Katsuki

Katsuki what exactly does your role do

I think Katsuki’s claim deserves a closer glance
Not sure it’s real but it makes me look askance

These 3 posts about Katsukis claim make me want to keep an eye on these slots.
I feel like it was obvious the Juggernaut claim was a joke, and I do feel like it could be an easy opportunity for an opportunistic scum to jump on that.

This post actually makes me SR Thom.
VOTE: Thomith

Why?

The fact that juggernaut claim is joke can be obvious only to scum. Plus it feels like you felt a chance to put some shade on us

This feels like town!Naerys

Why?

The thought process feels similar to thought processes I've seen from town!her in past games.

OK fair enough, I guess I'd be throwing stones in a glass house if I judged someone for playing in a weird way... but I still think it's kinda scummy.

But I think DE is town, on vibes.

I wanna pick your brain about this in a hot moment, there's a few posts that I agree with you but there's these moments that are very like forced that if you're reading them by tone I feel I can get good insight on. Most notably was how they handled the joke scum claim. I feel that was pretty bad regarding "vibe", that and Katsuki's as well both are very bad and I wanna keep my eyeballs on them. Hu Tao did the claim too but I town-read them based on other things and it was by far the least "awkward" (for lack of a better term).

I just kinda look at their posts and just don't get a vibe that says "yeah scum has a reason to play like this".

It ain't a strong read but I often struggle reading people day 1. Sorry.

Has anybody played with Dragon before?

Yes but (and I mean no offense) they seem a bit like a generic player... it's not that I can't read them, I just have no idea about the meta.

Spoiler: That Game

UNVOTE:

I'll try and figure out Bingle. I don't like the sudden wagon, Bingle more likely town than bussed scum imo.

Ele said it was a joke. Which is a bizarre coincidence to make in a game that revolves around informeds.

and what u thinking bout Bingle bringing the subject up? Also, do u trust Flavor's informed claim?

Bingle seems fine, nothing pinged bad to me about it. Flavor's informed claim seems trustworthy in a vacuum but then again it's Flavor so hell if I know.

Read the game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't like no lims, they're coarse and rough and irritating and they get everywhere.

...and I often flounder if there's no flip to go off of, even if a VT dies it's a worthy sacrifice to have something to VCA from.

[JacksonVirgo]

It feels a little disingenuous to compare them directly as of course different games but I'm seeing a pretty big difference in terms of your tone and how you're following up with your reads. Are you more nervous this game than that one?

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: KittyTacky - will explain later

Instead of voting town, vote scum kyouko with me

You seem pretty sure of town!Kitty, what's driving that?

I was going to not comment on that and see where it lands me watching it from afar

[JacksonVirgo]

I wish I had 7 total votes

[KittyTacky]

It feels a little disingenuous to compare them directly as of course different games but I'm seeing a pretty big difference in terms of your tone and how you're following up with your reads. Are you more nervous this game than that one?

I'm more nervous. Not gonna disclose why for WIFOM reasons.

[KittyTacky]

rn reading an audiobook, will comment on the first post in ~30 min or so, maybe a bit more.

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm actively scum-reading you for the apprehensive behaviour, doubled by the fact you're acting differently compared to the game you linked and you throw a mysterious wifom ball at my face to pull down my argument that I have to just ignore ????? which is the second time this has happened this game which is frustrating but also hilarious.

[JacksonVirgo]

I know what you're insinuating but really if that were the case you wouldn't have said it this way, considering how annoyed you were about others doing the same thing in that exact link you showed me

[JacksonVirgo]

Just realised I forgot to respond to Black

[JacksonVirgo]

If Naerys is scum I don't think she would be doing this on purpose. I think some scum players are worse at handling pressure than others. I'm not sure if Naerys is one of these players but based on a very weak personality read I've gotten on her over the course of a few recent games, I think she could be

I'm getting the vibe that she's flailing a little and not sure if she should try to seem townie or if she should keep up her "I want to be faded" tactic which would require her to probably act less townie. I think this behavior is more likely to come from scum buckling under pressure than town that is actually wanting to solve the game. I think there's a disconnect between Naerys's various association posts where she clearly wants to look like she's solving and her sudden willingness to want to stop playing and be faded

I think Naerys might play a certain way as scum and I have a feeling this is what it looks like

Yeah, I see what you mean. Initially at my surface level attempt to disprove the feelings I believed, I thought that perhaps this was something that was too obviously evil to be a genuine tell, not just because I wholly believe in twtbw tells but the fact I always tend to SR them.

[JacksonVirgo]

I think this type of solving is extremely out of character for her town game

Mhm, so going right from the top dome she usually has more in-depth isolated reads than these. I don't recall her making unsubstantiated reasons for SRing/voting, which is not just those but also the vote on Katsuki surrounding when I replaced in which was also pretty bad

[Thomith]

Naerys and DE70 are where they are on the list because I feel like they're just acting fucking weird, so I dont really know how to read that.

Naerys is indeed very erratic this game but DE70 weird how? Maybe I'm getting that thing where I'm blind to a specific player's style.

The self voting twice is the main thing, randomly turning into Not_Mafia also threw me for a loop too tbh