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[Black]

It does feel like you're genuinely trying to sort me here and I think that's +town for you

[JacksonVirgo]

I try to look at the reasons for why people do what they do

In your case I didn't think your scumread on me made much sense but that is only a small part of why I think you could be scum

In Naerys's case, she started dropping in my reads before she ever disagreed with me

I do think it's more of a case by case basis and there are usually other factors involved in the read, but yeah I think someone scumreading me for what I consider to be bad reasons is going to make me raise an eyebrow. But I also get suspicious of people agreeing with me too much, so it really just depends on context and other things

So your read on me didn't necessarily drop, more so you scum-read naerys

more

so you pivoted to them?

[JacksonVirgo]

I think I want to give my Jackson read more time to develop, and I would rather do this over CCS

This read more to me like you dropped the read somewhat more than you wanting to pivot to somebody else because they're scummier, which is what I assume you meant by your response to me just now

[Black]

I try to look at the reasons for why people do what they do

In your case I didn't think your scumread on me made much sense but that is only a small part of why I think you could be scum

In Naerys's case, she started dropping in my reads before she ever disagreed with me

I do think it's more of a case by case basis and there are usually other factors involved in the read, but yeah I think someone scumreading me for what I consider to be bad reasons is going to make me raise an eyebrow. But I also get suspicious of people agreeing with me too much, so it really just depends on context and other things

So your read on me didn't necessarily drop, more so you scum-read naerys

more

so you pivoted to them?

That's a good way to put it

I think I want to give my Jackson read more time to develop, and I would rather do this over CCS

This read more to me like you dropped the read somewhat more than you wanting to pivot to somebody else because they're scummier, which is what I assume you meant by your response to me just now

Nah I didn't drop the read but I realized I needed to give it more time in the oven

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votecount

Votecount 2-II

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to hammer.

DragonEater70 (4 = E-2):

ssbm_Kyouko, Gamma Emerald, JacksonVirgo, Katsuki

davesaz (1):

DragonEater70

camelCasedSnivi (1):

Thomith

Not Voting (5):

Hu Tao, KittyTacky, davesaz, camelCasedSnivy, Black

notes

• The deadline is due in (expired on 2024-01-15 23:15:09).
  
• You can find the combined mod ISO here

[Thomith]

I did ISO kitty during the night before I got bored, and while I do think tonally they're scummy I do think I've been treating them unfairly

Kitty was town from post 1

Why do you think Kitty is town?

[JacksonVirgo]

I try to look at the reasons for why people do what they do

In your case I didn't think your scumread on me made much sense but that is only a small part of why I think you could be scum

In Naerys's case, she started dropping in my reads before she ever disagreed with me

I do think it's more of a case by case basis and there are usually other factors involved in the read, but yeah I think someone scumreading me for what I consider to be bad reasons is going to make me raise an eyebrow. But I also get suspicious of people agreeing with me too much, so it really just depends on context and other things

So your read on me didn't necessarily drop, more so you scum-read naerys

more

so you pivoted to them?

That's a good way to put it

I think I want to give my Jackson read more time to develop, and I would rather do this over CCS

This read more to me like you dropped the read somewhat more than you wanting to pivot to somebody else because they're scummier, which is what I assume you meant by your response to me just now

Nah I didn't drop the read but I realized I needed to give it more time in the oven

Okay I think I understand that all now

[davesaz]

VOTE: Naerys
Time is too short to do much thumb twiddling. We need to make some kind of progress at generating higher wagon numbers so at least that will be available.

I was very, very open about why I voted. Dragon saying I wasn't is extremely sus, but he's already at E-2.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

votecount

Votecount 1-FINAL

With 12 alive, it took 7 to hammer.

Naerys (7 =

EXECUTED

):

camelCasedSnivy, KittyTacky, Black, davesaz, ssbm_Kyouko, Katsuki, Hu Tao

ssbm_Kyouko (1):

Gamma Emerald

camelCasedSnivy (1)

: Thomith

Katsuki (1):

Naerys

KittyTacky (1):

JacksonVirgo

davesaz (1):

DragonEater70

notes

• The deadline is due in (expired on 2024-01-07 07:46:06).
  
• You can find the combined mod ISO here
  
• ssbm_Kyouko is V/LA on weekends.
  
• Thomith is V/LA this weekend.

leave the poor dude alone

Vote Naerys

For context, "the poor dude" here is Thomith who Naerys and DE are pushing as scum for seeing Katsuki's claim as "obviously" a joke. This is also cCS' first post and the vote stays here the whole day - it's a quick ISO read - I do think it's a little strange from reading his ISO that his vote stayed on Naerys all day and never moved to DE because it seems like he did scumread DE. This could be a product of reading him in ISO though, missing context on how Naerys and cCS' other FoSes/SRs were playing. I do think there was opportunity yesterDay for him to have voted DE but he never did. Looking at it a little longer I don't like the progression below, cCS has been pushing/shading Dragon and Naerys most if not all of the Day, states he has no idea on GE or me, and then in 933 he says Gamma's probably not going to get anywhere, yet minutes later in 942 he'd join Thomith in sheeping Gamma on me - Gamma and me who he supposedly "has no idea on". I feel like cCS spent most of his day posturing to vote DE while his vote never moved off Naerys despite there being ample opportunity.

Spoiler: cCS progression

people i have absolutely no clue on: {ssbm_Kyuoko, KittyTacky, Gamma Emerald, Hu Tao}
and people i would gladly vote are just {Naerys, davesaz, camelCasedSnivy}

also i was going fuck yeah on the naerys wagon and then the bland thomith wagon comes along. I'm not as opposed to it this time around but we can do better (and i probably still wont vote thomith)

also how are people getting town vibes from dragoneater?? seriously???

VOTE: kyouko
While I think Dragon is a fine place to go,
I want to vote somewhere less covered, that being kyouko
honestly kyouko fits the bill of the scum I voted in the past rhyming game
since I regard both slot's content involving me as lame

we do have 2 days left

don't think you are going to get anywhere really

I feel lost so ima sheep a town read

VOTE: CCS

which townread was it? if it was black you could join us now

*and if its gamma emerald ill sheep you on ssbm_kyouko

Thats basically scum confession
VOTE: Katsuki

...I'm pretty sure that was a joke. Scum response.

VOTE: Naerys

Kitty, like cCS, is in the camp that Naerys opportunistically pushed an RVS joke. And Kitty, like cCS, voted early and did not move... but Kitty's ISO is pretty bad looking. I'm seeing repetition of the same point against Naerys (that being that her reaction to the Katsuki claim was scummy), with a bit of self-meta and non-game-related talk sprinkled in. The first time I get a flash of towniness is here in 654 where Kitty has what looks like a reasonable read, even if it is something of a sheep of mine (and maybe that's why I liked it ). But in the first post below, a few hundred posts later, "I'm staying on Naerys because I have no other reads." My brother in christ you do have a read on Dragon and you're literally responding to him so I don't see how you forget that even if you aren't the most involved in the game. I feel like Kitty super coasted D1 and the one glimpse I got of town!Kitty he squandered away, and I missed it as it happened. This is worse than Snivy by a mile imo. I'm looking for scum on the wagon as I go through these votes and I feel I need to look no further after these two

Spoiler: Kitty ISO

Has anybody played with Dragon before?

Yes but (and I mean no offense) they seem a bit like a generic player... it's not that I can't read them, I just have no idea about the meta.

The hell does that mean? Like not offense-wise, but there's literally no player on this site whose playstyle I cannot characterize as idiosyncratic in some way.

Also I've accidentally become Not_Mafia and will insta hammer any wagon that gets E-1.

What I mean is that I struggle to describe how you play. Maybe it's a skill issue but idk where to read from here until there's a flip.

I'm staying on Naerys because I have no other leads.

people i have absolutely no clue on: {ssbm_Kyuoko, KittyTacky, Gamma Emerald, Hu Tao}
and people i would gladly vote are just {Naerys, davesaz, camelCasedSnivy}

Concrete read:

I think saying "haha I'd vote myself" is very performative. It's a very forced way of saying "look I'm town I don't care if people vote me!"

Naerys and DE70 are where they are on the list because I feel like they're just acting fucking weird, so I dont really know how to read that.

Naerys is indeed very erratic this game but DE70 weird how? Maybe I'm getting that thing where I'm blind to a specific player's style.

Dunno I think DE is town.

I think when it comes to the day ending wagon
I’m fine if it’s either Snivy or Dragon

Snivy fine. I'm mostly sheeping people's reads of that slot. But I just don't see Dragon being particularly scummy here.

VOTE: Naerys

I think I want to give my Jackson read more time to develop, and I would rather do this over CCS

I don't like how Naerys tried to flirt with the idea of joining the CCS wagon after it gained momentum. Her excuse for not actually placing a vote there was because it seemed like other people didn't want to end the day yet, which could be a legit reason, but I'm reading it as her being self-conscious about placing a tail-end vote on a mislim

I think the whole "yeet me pls" is theatre to make us think she's fine with being faded so we don't actually fade there. She says she has a plan but I'm not really buying it

Plus she already claimed VT so if we just push this through then we don't have to risk anyone else claiming

So looks like chronologically Black is the first "non-stale" vote to start the Naerys wagon. Generally speaking I think mislims especially on D1 are town-led with scum attaching themselves to the wagons later on, so this being the first non-stale vote I feel it has the most likelihood of being that town leading the D1 wagon. I feel like giving JV time is something town!Black would do, but I only know town!Black so I've been hesitant to believe thoughts like this, let alone voice them, because I've heard about her scum record. The last 2 lines are both a little bit "excuse-ey" if you want to look at them in that way, but they feel very natural to me. I think scum generally would prefer to try get cCS run up to claim and just not mention that it's safe to lim already-claimed-VT Naerys. I'm not concerned about this vote.

VOTE: Naerys
Time is too short to do much thumb twiddling. We need to make some kind of progress at generating higher wagon numbers so at least that will be available.

Time is too short is what I was thinking as well, knowing I wasn't going to be around much close to deadline. I'm going to have to look into his ISO to be thorough about this though. Skimming it now I don't really see anything nefarious in the progression. Dave engages with a few people and is mostly focused on solving Gamma's rhymes, and though I don't like 447 as a tactic it's probably +town. In 502 it seems like Dave has finished his sort of Gamma and is willing to work with her on the cCS wagon. I like 517 as well, it's so raw and I don't think scum!dave moves forward with posting it without second-guessing himself and providing a more reasoned response. Not concerned with how Dave arrives on Naerys.

And as Katsuki and I won't be here for deadline I dont see DE70 happening.

VOTE: Naerys

The relevance for those reading these votes in ISO here is that Katsuki and I were the main proponents of a DE lim and we both weren't going to be around for much longer as the deadline was about 48 hours out iirc.

Won't be around later, I'm fine with doing this, L-1 by my count.

VOTE: NAERYS

I think objectively speaking the vote itself would come from town!Katsuki or scum!Katsuki here, but I TR Katsuki and don't find anything suspicious about it.

VOTE: Naerys

Goodnight all.

Not sure about this. I feel like I've seen Hu Tao hammer like this as town many times, come to think of it I'm not sure I've played with scum!HT. I think their playstyle is scummy so I might have assumed I've played with scum!HT before I'm not sure if this is something that she does as scum, I'd have to read her scumgames to check. I imagine it would be easy enough to fake. I have to pee really bad I'll finish Hu Tao's ISO later. I vaguely remember TRing them early on

[Hu Tao]

I did ISO kitty during the night before I got bored, and while I do think tonally they're scummy I do think I've been treating them unfairly

Kitty was town from post 1

Who do you think is scum? I want to sheep you

I'm leaning Dragon at the moment but unsure. I'll need to look over everything again. I'm confused with kyouko being so adamant that Dragon is scum

[Hu Tao]

I think there is at least 1 scum in them though.

[Hu Tao]

I did ISO kitty during the night before I got bored, and while I do think tonally they're scummy I do think I've been treating them unfairly

Kitty was town from post 1

Why do you think Kitty is town?

Tone. I explained it yesterday. Kitty is very different as scum.

[Thomith]

I did ISO kitty during the night before I got bored, and while I do think tonally they're scummy I do think I've been treating them unfairly

Kitty was town from post 1

Why do you think Kitty is town?

Tone. I explained it yesterday. Kitty is very different as scum.

Gotcha, I'll find the post and let you know if I have any other questions then.

[Hu Tao]

Actually I think I wanna vote Dragon. But not sure if I want him at e-1 yet. I want more discussions today.

[Thomith]

I think that's 2 people now that said they wanted to vote Dragon but didn't because he was already at E-2.
The fact he has enough people wanting to vote him to hammer already is giving me pause.

I feel like he's either getting hard bussed, or this is a townie scum want out of the game.

I feel like there's probably at least 1 scum on him right now either way.

[Thomith]

Hm nevermind it was Hu Tao saying they wanted to vote him twice but not doing it, I knew I remembered another occasion of it being said though.

[Hu Tao]

I would agree probably 1 scum on him already. And likely one scum on Naerys

[Hu Tao]

I'm sus of katsuki, kyouko, Dragon, gamma and Camel.

Not in any order. I wouldn't be surprised if at least 2 scum is in there.

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually I think I wanna vote Dragon. But not sure if I want him at e-1 yet. I want more discussions today.

What do you want to discuss?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I did ISO kitty during the night before I got bored, and while I do think tonally they're scummy I do think I've been treating them unfairly

Kitty was town from post 1

Who do you think is scum? I want to sheep you

I'm leaning Dragon at the moment but unsure. I'll need to look over everything again. I'm confused with kyouko being so adamant that Dragon is scum

I think his self-voting was meant to discourage people from voting him, but he was saying he does it because he likes being wagoned so he can find the scum on his wagon. I don't think the way he went about "getting wagoned" (by voting himself) really ever works to catch scum. Doing it once was like whatever,

maybe

he's like emulating Flavor Leaf is what I was suspecting at the time, but the second time, and when accompanied with his explanation, it just didn't add up.

To top it off I'm now seeing cCS and Kitty as plausible scum on the Naerys wagon and they both have partner equity with DE

[ssbm_Kyouko]

{DE, cCS/Kitty, ccs/Kitty/???}

[ssbm_Kyouko]

camelCase strikes again - just fixed a bug the other day due to missing the camelCase on a variable name :/

[Black]

VOTE: Dragon

e-1

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