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[Enchant]

VOTE: Enchant

Gods smite you, mortal.

[Upwards]

As with my might power, i bless Hu Tao with conftown status.

HEAL: Hu Tao

I’m confused, what does this mean?

[Upwards]

Dont like Laplacians 781, Gypyx' 783, and Hu Taos 813. In ToS at least it’s considered suspicious congratulating a successful Vig since there aren’t much cheaper townpoints imaginable.

[Upwards]

@373

is pretty interesting with the flip, at least.

@Upwards and @Laplacian, did you guys get the time to have a re-read and collect your thoughts during the night? Kinda interested to hear both of your guys opinion, given the complete reevalution of some of my reads.

For starters, the end of day 1 suggested to me that both Delta and Hu Tao are not very trustworthy since they both walked back on their word regarding Gammas E-1. Then again, I seem to have been the only one giving any credit to such claims so perhaps that’s a normal thing to do on this site here, I wouldn’t know.

With Gamma flipping town I could see scum being on that wagon, will look more into that when I find the time.

Ok seeing as Hu Taos actions were weird but essentially lead to a townie surviving longer, I think that makes Delta the main suspect here since she not only lied but also was part of the wagon. It is a bit weird that she joined it late but not leaving it although claiming to do so appears opportunistic.

Going over her posts again I remembered how her 264 was factually wrong as well. Didn’t think much of that at the time since I was pretty bored with the topic of my opening but in hindsight it appears suspicious to try to score points like that.

Then shortly before Gammas elimination there’s this whole discussion with Margot that seemed to come completely out of nowhere. Now that Margot flipped scum it almost looks fabricated to me.

Gotta go now playing soccer, but I’ll revisit this train of thoughts tomorrow.

[DragonEater70]

Replacing Claptastik.

[DragonEater70]

Mucho Man Randy Passion replaces Claptastik.

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

PASSION

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

I've seen flips and I see Naerys claimed.

NICE SHOT. PASSIONATE!!!

[Naerys]

Welcome

[Gypyx]

Dont like Laplacians 781, Gypyx' 783, and Hu Taos 813. In ToS at least it’s considered suspicious congratulating a successful Vig since there aren’t much cheaper townpoints imaginable.

So we aren't allowed to banter anymore huh, only serious buisness

[Gypyx]

anyways gonna see a bit what MMRP does before casing anything i guess

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Enchant

Gods smite you, mortal.

Hey enchant my buddy my friend my big pal what's your opinion of Upward / Clap ?

[Enchant]

VOTE: Enchant

Gods smite you, mortal.

Hey enchant my buddy my friend my big pal what's your opinion of Upward / Clap ?

May Clap pass in obscurity.

Remembered by no one, but crows.

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

This is what I have off 4 pages. DeltaWave and Luchador64 looks sus. Gypyx too but I'm less PASSIONATE about this read. No doubt Naerys is the shooter. FuDuzn suspects Margot and is getting TRed already so his death makes sense already

21 - this tracks for town!Gamma
22 - knowing this is scum sheeping I'm looking out for when and how she moves her vote
24 (Alianna) - overly defensive over some jokes
30 - haHaa nice shot again Naerys
33 - who told him this? Only 10 minutes apart from his last post looking for guidance, and only margot is online - conclusion? Coached.
38/39/40 (Gypyx) - easy to see this as distancing - BUT - The sequence of replies is promising. She spots a problem with little Hu Tao's post and goes for the takedown. This comes before the teasing of confirmed tiny scum MargotRosa, which is what looks like distancing. Also looks like public coaching ZBD but these are all CONFIRMATIONALLY BIASED reads and I will withhold my People's Elbow for now
42 (Alianna) - aha, a suspicious townie thought enters the ring
45 - oh no, is this why Gamma was tossed out of the ring?
56 - let us not be too fair though tiny penguin lest i toss you from the ring

Gypy did an 8 in town8lock and nobody shot her so probably she's scum to be tbh

71 - kinda self-conscious in my imo
74 - why isn't there a vote i wonder
78 - now we have 2 people being 2 fair - maybe the Luchador64 and tiny penguin are the last 2 of the tiny mafia
90 - maybe this is an acceptable read but it is a little easy to find
91 - I'll tell you my role. It is to RULE with the People's Elbow and rock-hard abs as I rock, sock, and rumble the scum out of the ring. Do you like being the tiny mafia or do you prefer to DOMINATE the arena in TOS?

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

eeeeh, just gonna pretend i think Hu Tao is town for now and i'm challenging that when we get to it

Nope. No going back. You MUST decide now if I'm town or not.

You're town. Welcome to the ring my friend, where are the tiny mafia? Did you help crush Gamma underfoot? I must skip ahead.

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

Votecount 1.12

Combined Mod ISO.

Votecount

Gamma Emerald

(7):

Alianna,

Claptastik

, Upwards,

Naerys

, DeltaWave, Laplacian,

Gamma Emerald

DeltaWave (2):

Hu Tao

, Zebedee

Laplacian (2):

lucca261, Gypyx

MargotRosa

(1):

FuDuzn

FuDuzn

(1):

MargotRosa

Not Voting (0).

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to send someone on the fast route to the afterlife.

Flavor

Dragon Fact #11:

While chromatic dragons are normally considered evil and dangerous, spring-green colored dragons are vegan, so you can approach them safely with no fear of being eaten. Beware though, do not confuse them with regular green dragons, as these LOVE to eat humans.

Oh unfortunate, Gamma self-hammered

[Gypyx]

Anyways, gotten around to thinking about Hu Tao again, and i think this slot's kinda weird? At least in terms of good stuff, the interactions with Margot look kinda good 660 and Margot's big read list where she pretty much puts them as scumlean, but with declared intent to get around to pushing them

On the other side, sitting on delta has maaaybe a bit of scum equity for them, as like, that wagon was kind of not going anywhere for a long while? (granted, no wagons were really going anywhere apart from Gamma but such pasiveness kinda indicates a willingness to let things go that way without involving oneself) on top of that if Hu Tao is indeed scum then i think we need to look for the 3rd on the actual Gamma wagon as there's almost no chance that thing is actually pure

Also is gamma at e-1 right now? Seems like it? I could be wrong though

If gamma gets to e-1 I'm quick hammering

Cold feet

this also weird me out a bit as a "my shitposting isn't really working out anymore but i wanna pretend it's still a thing, which is imo more likely to come from a scum mindset aka : more willing to fake viewpoints

kinda annoys me to have that many scumreads but it'll prolly be fine (clueless)

[lucca261]

My opinion is pretty clear.

VOTE: Laplacian

Great first impression, especially when you replaced into a slot that HuDuzn had suspicions of. (127, 142)

Also, setup speculation since DE70 was has past games in his sig.

His 2 games leaned towards lots of weaker roles, with lots of use or time restrictions. This matches maf's 1 shot jug, so I'd expect them to have 1 more PR waiting. Rolecop could make sense with the 4+ town PRs I'm assuming.

We definitely have a bodyguard or doc because of the jug. From the two one-shot roles, this game fits the weaker roles meta. I'd guess 1 more solid role or 2 weak ones, probably including a limited investigator either way.

It's the second time Lap answered a vote with a out-of-nowhere super defensive OMGUS that makes zero sense and them they immediately follow it with a setup speculation that could only benefit mafia
then on the next post he gets pre-emptively defensive about it

with all due respect Lap this is so incredibly scummy that I could only see it coming from town in a weird way

[Gypyx]

Even if gamma is scum I don't think Margot is partner here.

also there was this (during the Gamma flip) which just sounds like a weird thing to say in hu tao's postion

[Hu Tao]

As with my might power, i bless Hu Tao with conftown status.

HEAL: Hu Tao

I’m confused, what does this mean?

Enchant is dramatic. It just means he townreads me

[Gypyx]

My opinion is pretty clear.

VOTE: Laplacian

Great first impression, especially when you replaced into a slot that HuDuzn had suspicions of. (127, 142)

Also, setup speculation since DE70 was has past games in his sig.

His 2 games leaned towards lots of weaker roles, with lots of use or time restrictions. This matches maf's 1 shot jug, so I'd expect them to have 1 more PR waiting. Rolecop could make sense with the 4+ town PRs I'm assuming.

We definitely have a bodyguard or doc because of the jug. From the two one-shot roles, this game fits the weaker roles meta. I'd guess 1 more solid role or 2 weak ones, probably including a limited investigator either way.

It's the second time Lap answered a vote with a out-of-nowhere super defensive OMGUS that makes zero sense and them they immediately follow it with a setup speculation that could only benefit mafia
then on the next post he gets pre-emptively defensive about it

with all due respect Lap this is so incredibly scummy that I could only see it coming from town in a weird way

I get what you're saying in a way but like, too scummy to be scum town should still have some reedeeming points where they appear town right? not really seeing that in lap's game

[Hu Tao]

Replacing Claptastik.

Naur

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

VOTE: Alianna
nowhere did I say I wanted to yeet FuDuzn.

I don't remember if I thought you said that, but I probably did misread you. I have not really been paying attention to whether my RVS jokeposting makes any sense.

Why are you so concerned whether your RVS posting makes sense?

I mean, I wasn't until Gamma made that post. Idk how to really answer this aside from the obvious. Like, I'd hope that my posts make sense in context and are based on correct readings of other posts.

I'm aware of 131 but I'll address it after I've read the thread.

tiny mafia is self-conscious of the fact there is pressure on her to answer this so she is excusing herself unnecessarily

Recounted. 3 votes alianna. Undoing vote

VOTE: None

edited to fix broken tag

VOTE: DragonEater70

This draconian leader must be overthrown! Anarchy must reign!!!

Creating fake dragon facts are encouraged. Deciding the leader of the dragons is a cannibal is a bad fact.

VOTE: Alianna

It's not a bad fact if it's true!

So you admit that it's either a bad fact, or a bad fake fact.........

Not a fan of this. 7 votes to lim, so 3 votes are nothing. Why unvote, other than to (incorrectly) appear to be doing a townie thing?

Then, after a serious game-related action reverts back to RVS banter.

VOTE: Margot

The first point looks okay but I don’t think sliding back into banter is a scumtell since I do it a lot myself regardless of alignment

This is basically the exact thought I had when I read that.

I do agree with the rest of Clap's questioning on page 3 though.

@Gamma - if you haven't explained it already, what did FD do that made you want to put him in your townblock?

Softly supporting the "it's NAI" defense of tiny mafia MargotRosa while at the same time supporting the rest of The Clappening's thoughts to not start a tussle. Right now there are a few votes on tiny mafia Margot Rosa, one of them is Gamma's and we know she's town. Alianna is maybe trying to distract Gamma's focus away from her scumread and more toward her townblock instead.

I'm opening up the old sublime text Mafia notes templates again. What a time to be alive.

Only vibe leans atm are Gypyx as town and Claptastik as Scum, but they are purely on vibes based on early d1 behaviour, and tells are almost always useless, esp. as you two seem to have been playing for ages.

Feck... I'm a baby here....

Please be gentle. So if I think so someone's spouting crap I should say so?

I'd strongly advise you to check out the guides about townplay that we have on the mafiascum wiki, they're way more insightful than what anyone here could reasonably say

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... y_Articles

And why specifically the townplay guides? This looks TMI-ish.
Though 39 does suggest you're aware of the info difference between town and scum, so it'd be kind of weird if you did actually TMI-slip and then

that

was your next post. Hmmmmmmmm, you can be a townlean for now (probably will have to check my logic tomorrow because it's getting pretty late and my brain is fried). I'm still interested in the answer to that question though.

Like, this gives town vibes just because it's the kind of non-committal, but still roughly reasoned out thinking I'd expect, whereas #66, #68 and #70 feel a bit more accusatory? Just feels off for the first 24 hours of the first day.

E: tag fix

aaaah yes, agressive = scum and nice = town

clap certainely feels like town motivated agression here, can't tell if Margot has got her radar calibrated on the complete opposite of mine or if she's just scum afraid of a proactive townie

and while this got me thinking about it, i gotta say the Alianna post in question looks pretty bad to me? Like, it's *extremely* reasonable, and non-antagonizing immediatly afterwards, almost like the main worry is making sure i don't get angry about it

Not TRing Margot, but I like that you brought up the radar thing because that's something I've noticed myself doing as town (as in, committing the fallacy that Margot is committing) and have been trying to "un-calibrate" myself from, and I've also been wrongly scumread by people who I now realize were calibrated the other way.

I wasn't worried about that at all, so I'm having trouble seeing where you're getting that from. I doubled back on the ping I got from 38 because I realized it was most likely wrong. It would probably be easier to respond to this if you elaborated on what in the post gave you that impression.

Another soft defense of tiny mafia MargotRosa, saying that what she's done is a fallacy that she's done before as town - implying maybe that SRing Margot for this is a "wrong scumread"

tiny mafia Alianna is afraid to get in a tussle with DOMINATING force Gypyx over her buddy Margot. However she has to defend Margot because she has the BIG STRONG SCUM PR so it results in these awkward half-commits

VOTE: Alianna

[Hu Tao]

Votecount 1.12

Combined Mod ISO.

Votecount

Gamma Emerald

(7):

Alianna,

Claptastik

, Upwards,

Naerys

, DeltaWave, Laplacian,

Gamma Emerald

DeltaWave (2):

Hu Tao

, Zebedee

Laplacian (2):

lucca261, Gypyx

MargotRosa

(1):

FuDuzn

FuDuzn

(1):

MargotRosa

Not Voting (0).

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to send someone on the fast route to the afterlife.

Flavor

Dragon Fact #11:

While chromatic dragons are normally considered evil and dangerous, spring-green colored dragons are vegan, so you can approach them safely with no fear of being eaten. Beware though, do not confuse them with regular green dragons, as these LOVE to eat humans.

Oh unfortunate, Gamma self-hammered

Why are you confident I'm town?

[Hu Tao]

Anyways, gotten around to thinking about Hu Tao again, and i think this slot's kinda weird? At least in terms of good stuff, the interactions with Margot look kinda good 660 and Margot's big read list where she pretty much puts them as scumlean, but with declared intent to get around to pushing them

On the other side, sitting on delta has maaaybe a bit of scum equity for them, as like, that wagon was kind of not going anywhere for a long while? (granted, no wagons were really going anywhere apart from Gamma but such pasiveness kinda indicates a willingness to let things go that way without involving oneself) on top of that if Hu Tao is indeed scum then i think we need to look for the 3rd on the actual Gamma wagon as there's almost no chance that thing is actually pure

Also is gamma at e-1 right now? Seems like it? I could be wrong though

If gamma gets to e-1 I'm quick hammering

Cold feet

this also weird me out a bit as a "my shitposting isn't really working out anymore but i wanna pretend it's still a thing, which is imo more likely to come from a scum mindset aka : more willing to fake viewpoints

kinda annoys me to have that many scumreads but it'll prolly be fine (clueless)

Ironic because I was just thinking you could be scum again