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[Hu Tao]

139 is pinging me. Specifically, Dragon mentioning that HPE has three scum posts already, while also calling Hu town when she hadn't even done anything at that point. Seems like an informed perspective

VOTE: Dragon

Nope. Dragon is town

[Flavor Leaf]

Gamma is Bingle this game, Hu Tao.

[Black]

Gamma was doing the same thing Bingle was doing and trying to not let Hu Tao-FL from town reading each other

I haven't had a chance to look at Gamma's posts but I know she has a personal issue with Hu Tao that has spanned several games, so I wonder if this could have factored in to her scumread

[Black]

139 is pinging me. Specifically, Dragon mentioning that HPE has three scum posts already, while also calling Hu town when she hadn't even done anything at that point. Seems like an informed perspective

VOTE: Dragon

Nope. Dragon is town

Why?

[Pavowski]

@Pav - do you feel what I’m saying about the intangible with Dragon?

I think it was yesterday, or at least recently, that you said you had all kinds of reasons to scumread Dragon but tonally, you think he's town.

I think I agree with that.

I still hang up on the mechanics of how town has 3 PRs and scum have gotten wrecked in the night actions, and I still don't see how we make it to the endgame with him alive, but I do feel a certain towniness emanating from Dragon.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hu Tao

Dragon
Purple
CW
Pav

Geraint

Black

[Pavowski]

Flavor did you consider Hu Tao miscounting votes a couple days ago and thinking she was limmed? I keep going in circles on whether that's faked or not. Like it's not hard to fake, but I dunno if Hu Tao does it (she claims she never has)

AND NOBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT IT

Except Hu Tao of course, which isn't the help I want

[Flavor Leaf]

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eh, Dragon claimed JK here before this game started, and somehow claimed the same role.

That is so like...ugh.

that being said, Dragon isn't actually 2-shot here.

A Roleblocker and a Juggernaut on scum team makes sense against Cop, Vig, JK. Thomith might have been juggernaut'd Night 1 which explains why I didn't get hit.

HPE also probably felt pressure from me, and wanted to kill me in addition to my conf town.


oi...i repeat, this game is the bad place.

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor did you consider Hu Tao miscounting votes a couple days ago and thinking she was limmed? I keep going in circles on whether that's faked or not. Like it's not hard to fake, but I dunno if Hu Tao does it (she claims she never has)

AND NOBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT IT

Except Hu Tao of course, which isn't the help I want

no, but Hu Tao does dumb tell a lot as town. I remember their reaction to a night kill being really bad too, but I think that's how Hu Tao acts. Their unvote of Kyouko fits that as well.

I also know Hu Tao to bus as scum pretty obviously when she knows a partner is going down, and I think she's off of the HPE wagon.

I just misfaded a town Hu Tao in elo after feeling they were scum all game.

[Black]

That's great

That's what I wanted since Day 1

So let's go gera? Or idk maybe Black but I do wanna see if she's gonna change her read or just tunnel and what else she thinks about the game.

Why are you voting Pav if you don't want to fade Pav?

[Hu Tao]

BTW

Flavor, the reason I haven't been very excited to sheep you onto Hu Tao has to do with seeing you try to push town!Tao in the other game. So with no disrespect meant, I am aware of the possibility that you have a wrong meta read on her.

Yeah I didn't want to bring it up. But it feels similar.

[Hu Tao]

I’m kind of feeling like Black is the play today, if scum, go Geraint, if town, go Dragon tomorrow.

Something feels weird.

I feel like Black would know Dragon's town energy so I'm surprised she scumreads her here. Which makes me think she could just be scum

[Hu Tao]

I think that last game was the first time Hu Tao and I lost as town/town together.

Yep I think so

[Hu Tao]

Gamma is Bingle this game, Hu Tao.

I can see it

[Hu Tao]

139 is pinging me. Specifically, Dragon mentioning that HPE has three scum posts already, while also calling Hu town when she hadn't even done anything at that point. Seems like an informed perspective

VOTE: Dragon

Nope. Dragon is town

Why?

Dragons vibe as town and scum are completely different.

[Black]

I’m kind of feeling like Black is the play today, if scum, go Geraint, if town, go Dragon tomorrow.

Something feels weird.

I feel like Black would know Dragon's town energy so I'm surprised she scumreads her here. Which makes me think she could just be scum

I've only read like two Dragon posts aside from what he posted since I replaced in

139 is pinging me. Specifically, Dragon mentioning that HPE has three scum posts already, while also calling Hu town when she hadn't even done anything at that point. Seems like an informed perspective

VOTE: Dragon

Nope. Dragon is town

Why?

Dragons vibe as town and scum are completely different.

Can you explain the differences in detail

[Black]

Maybe it's just Dragon/Hu. I'm not really liking her shading me here after a couple of people have already shown interest in voting for me

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m in a middle ground where it’s either a really good sign Black paired up with my Hu Tao/Dragon from before or a really bad sign.

Hu Tao/Dragon have been unnaturally linked like that since early game, and a lot of times it felt too much to be S/S, but i have thought about the ‘do they do that as scum here?’

UNVOTE: Geraint

I gotta take some time to think

[Flavor Leaf]

I spent like 3 days trying to get either of them to explain a single reason for town reading the other, and I didn’t get anything until like Dragon post-Black replace in. (It did line up with a completed game ending that also helped me think Hu Tao was town, though)

[geraintm]

I’m in a middle ground where it’s either a really good sign Black paired up with my Hu Tao/Dragon from before or a really bad sign.

Hu Tao/Dragon have been unnaturally linked like that since early game, and a lot of times it felt too much to be S/S, but i have thought about the ‘do they do that as scum here?’

UNVOTE: Geraint

I gotta take some time to think

I am fairly certain if I was scum you would have got that from me by now. The fact you haven't means (to me) that you know I am not and are just confused

[geraintm]

Yeah, 3 scum.

And Geraint hasn’t really done much, and that’s kinda the thing.

They also limiting their push to Pav.

And HPE, day that one knew they were going down, spam pushed Geraint too hard, so either distancing or trying to act like it was distancing.

i voted for Purple before Pav, but no one was interested in that so went to my second choice

[geraintm]

I will look into Geraint when I get some time later. If you have a post where you summarize your case on them you can link it and I'll start there

i think it is because i have been uber-passive in the game and people just can't work me out, and there are not any other really strong options in the game.
I agree that i cannot be allowed to get to the end game (partly because i will vote wrong in the end game) and town will need to sort out my slot, but now is not the time

[Black]

Hu Tao making several posts about how she has anti-partner equity with HPE doesn't feel good. She seems pretty defensive in those posts, like she felt good about not being linked to HPE and then suddenly got accused of it

[Black]

I will look into Geraint when I get some time later. If you have a post where you summarize your case on them you can link it and I'll start there

i think it is because i have been uber-passive in the game and people just can't work me out, and there are not any other really strong options in the game.
I agree that i cannot be allowed to get to the end game (partly because i will vote wrong in the end game) and town will need to sort out my slot, but now is not the time

Hmm. You've been passive in both games I've played with you and you were town, so that's not a read I feel carries much weight

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m in a middle ground where it’s either a really good sign Black paired up with my Hu Tao/Dragon from before or a really bad sign.

Hu Tao/Dragon have been unnaturally linked like that since early game, and a lot of times it felt too much to be S/S, but i have thought about the ‘do they do that as scum here?’

UNVOTE: Geraint

I gotta take some time to think

I am fairly certain if I was scum you would have got that from me by now. The fact you haven't means (to me) that you know I am not and are just confused

I kinda like this