In post 796, Dannflor wrote:
I am trying not to be too pessimistic but I do think this game is going to be an uphill battle. Whoever is town here needs to focus on finding each other and working together
I can see OWER and ketchup but why is Psyche town? He kinda falls in the "no reads" bin with Project and I can't really pinpoint much of anything he's done this game
Can you explain your OutWorld read?
I agree with Dann's 486. This doesn't really feel like the scum!OWER that I've played with. He feels more engaged and inquisitive here. I think he's probably capable of mimicking his town behavior as scum but I think it's more likely that he's just town
I'd be grateful if you could provide examples of OutWorld's 'anxiety' from his scum game, as I'm really struggling to read him as Town here. Also, it should be taken into consideration that Dann's reads were a bit off this game as everyone he scumread has been confirmed as town, which means he was townreading scum.
In post 915, OutWorldER wrote:
like from my POV I thought Dann was fairly townie once he was allowed to get going so I just don't believe that there weren't scum riding Luca's tunnel all the way to his mislim
Probably too easy to read Dann's slot as townie when you already know his alignment.
There was nothing particularly indicative of him being town until later in the day
, when his fate was virtually sealed, in my opinion.
you're saying this like this an objective statement
Well, from what I can see you've never really explained your Dann TR beyond '
he looks townier than Bugs
'. So, while my statement was indeed undeniably subjective, it's difficult to really follow your progression on this read.
i never really got the chance to explain. i thought Dann was townier than bugs because he was still attempting to solve despite his position in the game. in particular I was of the mindset that his interactions towards Drew didn't come from scum in his position.
You always had the chance to explain - you said Dann was townier than his predecessor multiple times, you could have expanded upon it then, and you
should
have done if you're really town trying to convince people to vote elsewhere.
Can you elaborate on your point regarding Dann's interactions with Drew, and why it couldn't come from scum?
yeah I probably should've, but again, I just didn't have it in me at the time
378 and other such posts are what was making me think he was town, since I don't think scum in that position would be trying to bait reactions since in my experience reaction baits usually tend to be naturally scumread.
In post 1052, OutWorldER wrote:
yeah I probably should've, but again, I just didn't have it in me at the time
378 and other such posts are what was making me think he was town, since I don't think scum in that position would be trying to bait reactions since in my experience reaction baits usually tend to be naturally scumread.
It seemed like you had started townreading Dann before that post?
Could you pinpoint exactly when your read on that slot started to change?
In post 1054, OutWorldER wrote:
i started townreading dann by association of thinking ketchup was scum at 347
in retrospect I was probably just confbiased about my ketchup read which turned into a dann townread
I very close to pulling the trigger on Ketchup
'dREW DID IT BETTER' - T-Bone
'doctor drew our hero' - Shiki
'I love playing with him, he's got an amazing presence to him that just feels like the game is lacking something when he's not there' - JacksonVirgo
Ok, I'm starting to reconsider my OutWorld scumread. I'm also leaning slightly town on ketchup based on his recent posts so I'm going to have to reevaluate the entire game.
In post 564, Psyche wrote:
i don't really like to spend time doing this, but 145 is frankly all junk
you assert that bugs made more than one perspective slip. "perspective slips" and "scum pt slips" aren't a real thing. at best they're extremely rare. but the idea that bugs did it repeatedly over like a 5 post timeframe is ridiculous. how many times have you ever perspective slipped in a game as scum? on a similar vein, you repeatedly note that bugs fails to follow the context of what's being written, but only imply that this is scummy without ever engaging w the question of why someone being really bad at reading could say anything about whether they got a town or scum role pm. it doesn't. this set of accusations effectively requires that bugspray be, er, not very good at thinking, but never even considers the possibility that this observation about bugs' abilities could explain in a nai way pretty much every feature of bugs's play, even their first post.
also, you repeatedly cast survivalism -- trying not to get limmed -- as scummy. but town are at least as motivated as scum to not get limmed, both theoretically and empirically. stuff like deflecting attention, appealling to emotions, and so on are totally common responses by any type of player to scrutiny and again you don't attempt to think through how these things you don't like about bugs's posts actually suggest a scum win condition.
there's not enough weighing of alternative explanations here. you're taking things you don't like about bugs' play and handwaving the steps that explain why this play is more likely to come from scum than town.
I confidently townread Psyche for this post at the time, as it seemed like some genuine townie frustration, but my confidence has lessened since then as Psyche as ummed and erred a lot on this read and still not put anything forth in its stead.
There have been promises of content, but really only a lot of passive commentary on opinions and interpretations of others. It looks decent on the surface, but there's nothing else to it. So basically, 564 struck me as Townie, but virtually everything else in Psyche's ISO strikes me as scum passively coasting through this game.
In post 564, Psyche wrote:
i don't really like to spend time doing this, but 145 is frankly all junk
you assert that bugs made more than one perspective slip. "perspective slips" and "scum pt slips" aren't a real thing. at best they're extremely rare. but the idea that bugs did it repeatedly over like a 5 post timeframe is ridiculous. how many times have you ever perspective slipped in a game as scum? on a similar vein, you repeatedly note that bugs fails to follow the context of what's being written, but only imply that this is scummy without ever engaging w the question of why someone being really bad at reading could say anything about whether they got a town or scum role pm. it doesn't. this set of accusations effectively requires that bugspray be, er, not very good at thinking, but never even considers the possibility that this observation about bugs' abilities could explain in a nai way pretty much every feature of bugs's play, even their first post.
also, you repeatedly cast survivalism -- trying not to get limmed -- as scummy. but town are at least as motivated as scum to not get limmed, both theoretically and empirically. stuff like deflecting attention, appealling to emotions, and so on are totally common responses by any type of player to scrutiny and again you don't attempt to think through how these things you don't like about bugs's posts actually suggest a scum win condition.
there's not enough weighing of alternative explanations here. you're taking things you don't like about bugs' play and handwaving the steps that explain why this play is more likely to come from scum than town.
I confidently townread Psyche for this post at the time, as it seemed like some genuine townie frustration, but my confidence has lessened since then as Psyche as ummed and erred a lot on this read and still not put anything forth in its stead.
There have been promises of content, but really only a lot of passive commentary on opinions and interpretations of others. It looks decent on the surface, but there's nothing else to it. So basically, 564 struck me as Townie, but virtually everything else in Psyche's ISO strikes me as scum passively coasting through this game.
VOTE: Psyche
I agree that psyche is coasting.
As Keats said in the coincidentally titled poem Ode to Psyche:
'Surely I dreamt to-day, or did I see The winged Psyche with awaken'd eyes?'
lol
but don’t know if I suspect psyche more than Jacob rn
Jacob seems to be doing the bare minimum, but I'm not sure if that's just a lack of investment in the game. Hopefully he gets involved sooner than later.
I do think Titus's entrance could be scum motivated. Gypyx was going to consolidate to Project until he replaced out. Titus replaces in and votes with Gypyx knowing that Gypyx said earlier that she doesn't think she has the support to get me faded today. This simultaneously makes Gypyx feel better about the Project slot and also her push against me
I think in this world Gypyx is probably town. I don't really see her/Project as partners
