Can you go a bit further for the reasoning for these reads?
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I think this is weird too. I'm not mafia though, this is all on Dann.In post 758, outoforder wrote: The most bothering thing about Dann is that every now and then he pings Dunnstral, but then he goes back to do something completely different. Now ican seea townie reason for this, but i admit there is a moderate chance of distancing, because that's some pretty vague shit.-
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Because you have posted basically no substance at all.In post 774, Dunnstral wrote:
Can you articulate why you believe I am mafia?In post 745, outoforder wrote: Dunnstral, Vivax, i dont really know.
I know some of what you think, i have no idea why you think what you think.-
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Dont worry. I will never ever use something some other person did to accuse you (or any player) of being mafia.In post 776, Dunnstral wrote:
I think this is weird too. I'm not mafia though, this is all on Dann.In post 758, outoforder wrote: The most bothering thing about Dann is that every now and then he pings Dunnstral, but then he goes back to do something completely different. Now ican seea townie reason for this, but i admit there is a moderate chance of distancing, because that's some pretty vague shit.-
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Scum and null are not that much different to mafiaIn post 771, outoforder wrote: But i don't really understand why she doesn't put me in scum category there.
There should be nothing wrong for her to do that, it would just give her more suspects.
Or is it just being irrational = mafia?
The real question is why she town reads dann after apparently seeing only a vote post, on her, with no explanation.
When the best reason to think dann was town was the case she didn’t read…"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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yes i understand this.In post 780, DarthPunk wrote:
Scum and null are not that much different to mafiaIn post 771, outoforder wrote: But i don't really understand why she doesn't put me in scum category there.
There should be nothing wrong for her to do that, it would just give her more suspects.
Or is it just being irrational = mafia?
The real question is why she town reads dann after apparently seeing only a vote post, on her, with no explanation.
When the best reason to think dann was town was the case she didn’t read…-
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This is basically the issue because you aren’t accountable for any position you take as you aren’t really transparent about how you got there.In post 777, outoforder wrote:
Because you have posted basically no substance at all.In post 774, Dunnstral wrote:
Can you articulate why you believe I am mafia?In post 745, outoforder wrote: Dunnstral, Vivax, i dont really know.
I know some of what you think, i have no idea why you think what you think.
And we can’t really read you as town or as mafia easily because, again no idea what you are thinking or if you are even thinking at all."If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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Here are my reasons. DarthPunk reads tonally as town to me.-
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I am busy and can't spend all my time on this thread. I hope that you can acknowledge this and stop trying to use activity tells to read me.In post 763, DarthPunk wrote:
The fact that he left thread without answering this really bothers me by the way.In post 716, DarthPunk wrote:
Can you just summarize your thoughts on the players in the game so that we kind of have a sense of what your thoughts are and how you would like to progress things.In post 708, Dunnstral wrote: I don't really think you are mafia, especially after you wrote that big post. I do suspect what Roden was doing in pushing whatshisname as their confidence felt faked. And now that you've pointed out I agree that Hu Tao's vote on you does not look good so they seem suspicious too.
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I rather like outoforder's posts on the last few pages.-
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Okay i have some questions about this:Here are my reasons. DarthPunk reads tonally as town to me.
- Why is Hu Tao in your suspect list when you told to Ninja she is suspicious?
- I can understand your take on Ninja / Roden, however do you think just making a big post makes her town? I mean like... it shouldnt, and i don't see any more reasoning there other than she made a big post.-
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*Why is Hu Tao not in your suspect list-
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Also do you have any read on Luca Blight and/or Vivax?
As Ninja is your town read, do you think she can have that kind of confidence in her read on Luca, if you can't have a read on Luca? Why?-
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I’m not doing any of that. Im not expecting you to use “all your time on the thread” I’m just expecting to generally know your thinking and to post some reads cause it seems to me you were avoiding it.In post 784, Dunnstral wrote:
I am busy and can't spend all my time on this thread. I hope that you can acknowledge this and stop trying to use activity tells to read me.In post 763, DarthPunk wrote:
The fact that he left thread without answering this really bothers me by the way.In post 716, DarthPunk wrote:
Can you just summarize your thoughts on the players in the game so that we kind of have a sense of what your thoughts are and how you would like to progress things.In post 708, Dunnstral wrote: I don't really think you are mafia, especially after you wrote that big post. I do suspect what Roden was doing in pushing whatshisname as their confidence felt faked. And now that you've pointed out I agree that Hu Tao's vote on you does not look good so they seem suspicious too.
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But I appreciate that you are here posting now fwiw"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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Anyway I’m going to sleep. @Luca I would like your thoughts on my discussion with ooo if you have time, particularly the ninja stuff and your ooo read now"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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Well I forgot about Hu tao. Likely because it wasn't originally my own point that I made. I do suspect them though.-
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Well I liked that ninja said she was trying to do something with the activity stuff in that post. I do have a soft spot for big effort posts though.In post 786, outoforder wrote: - I can understand your take on Ninja / Roden, however do you think just making a big post makes her town? I mean like... it shouldnt, and i don't see any more reasoning there other than she made a big post.
I liked the last post Luca made about ninja's post, other than that I don't have much thought. Vivax has been making posts that seem weird to me but I wrote it off as playstyle differences.In post 788, outoforder wrote: Also do you have any read on Luca Blight and/or Vivax?
As Ninja is your town read, do you think she can have that kind of confidence in her read on Luca, if you can't have a read on Luca? Why?
And sure I don't have to agree with everything someone says to think they are town. I often don't.-
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Of course you dont, i wouldnt hold that against you.In post 792, Dunnstral wrote:
Well I liked that ninja said she was trying to do something with the activity stuff in that post. I do have a soft spot for big effort posts though.In post 786, outoforder wrote: - I can understand your take on Ninja / Roden, however do you think just making a big post makes her town? I mean like... it shouldnt, and i don't see any more reasoning there other than she made a big post.
I liked the last post Luca made about ninja's post, other than that I don't have much thought. Vivax has been making posts that seem weird to me but I wrote it off as playstyle differences.In post 788, outoforder wrote: Also do you have any read on Luca Blight and/or Vivax?
As Ninja is your town read, do you think she can have that kind of confidence in her read on Luca, if you can't have a read on Luca? Why?
And sure I don't have to agree with everything someone says to think they are town. I often don't.
But like, we've expressed some concerns in Ninja's post (with DP). Like... if Ninja posts like that (makes big posts with a lot of effort) as town, i wouldnt think she would act differently as mafia. For the posters who make wall of texts, it's often small nuances that give them out -- as you can look reasonable by posting 90% truth about other players as long as your vote ends up on someone who isnt mafia.
What we were discussing was:
- Ninja placed Dann on town pile for reasons she probably shouldnt (the real reasons came after she did that)
- Ninja placed Luca in "conf town" position but the reasoning in her post didn't include what she actually said makes Luca "conf town"
- Ninja called me out for conf bias, when that "conf bias" actually meant that i shouldnt know i am town
I find these to be those kind of small nuances thatcould make her mafia. I am not sure of it, but it's definitely something to look into imo.
In a similar sense, in case Ninja is actually town, Luca's "100% agree to that post" doesn't look good to me, because there is DEFINITELY stuff you should not agree with. It's just very easy thing to say as mafia in case you know it's actually a townie who wrote that post.-
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Anyways i gotta get to work.-
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I really don't get this vote, when Ninja put forth a lot of insightful analysis in 499 that has gone unrecognised by Roden, who is zoning in primarily on things that directly involve him. I also don't see the gaslighting/manipulation, so perhaps you can point that out for me (unless you already have, as I'm still slowly catching-up).
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In post 568, DarthPunk wrote:
Now the real question is, why does it seem like you are operating with an agenda, you write cases that are worse than you present them as, with a level of confidence that is not commesurate to the 'evidence' you are presenting.
It smacks of holding an agenda tbh. Are you trying to wrest thread control from the active players? Or are you mafia?
This doesn't sit well with me.
First, I think Dann's case on Ninja was very well-considered, and you showed signs of agreeing with it yourself. Therefore, it feels as though you're riding on Ninja's line of defence, regarding Dann making bad cases, to dismiss the case out of hand. You're also not considering that when Dann was presented with a valid reason to change his read, he did so and clearly displayed his thought-process in doing so, so it's not like he has undue confidence in his cases, as if he did then he would still be voting Ninja.
The last sentence seems like you're trying to sow the seeds of doubt on a player who is, in my opinion, quite clearly town.-
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Last VC said that the fog is coming. There‘s also two listings of OoO.
Anyway. I can do more after today. I might go for another reset. It bugs me that Roden seems to be an universal scumread and Oats an universal townread.
I think to myself that me being town and contrarian on these two, at least some mafia would attempt to be supportive of that if I were wrong on them. Egocentric I know.-
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I didn't have a problem with Ninja's read on Dann. They talk about how they missed the post and then talked about their reads after.In post 793, outoforder wrote: What we were discussing was:
- Ninja placed Dann on town pile for reasons she probably shouldnt (the real reasons came after she did that)
- Ninja placed Luca in "conf town" position but the reasoning in her post didn't include what she actually said makes Luca "conf town"
- Ninja called me out for conf bias, when that "conf bias" actually meant that i shouldnt know i am town
Looking back at 499 they do seem to point to a Luca post they liked and explain their read.
And I don't see where they talk about confirmation bias regarding you.
This is a good point.In post 793, outoforder wrote: In a similar sense, in case Ninja is actually town, Luca's "100% agree to that post" doesn't look good to me, because there is DEFINITELY stuff you should not agree with. It's just very easy thing to say as mafia in case you know it's actually a townie who wrote that post.-
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In post 797, Vivax wrote: Last VC said that the fog is coming. There‘s also two listings of OoO.
Anyway. I can do more after today. I might go for another reset. It bugs me that Roden seems to be an universal scumread and Oats an universal townread.
I think to myself that me being town and contrarian on these two, at least some mafia would attempt to be supportive of that if I were wrong on them. Egocentric I know.*makes you blow up with my magic mod powers* (thanks)White Flag : Carebear Edition is ongoing ! (13/13) hit me up if you wanna get on the priority replacement list / spectate
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