Mini Normal 2327: Bird Species (Game Over)

[Random Nurse]

VOTE: Hu Tao

[Random Nurse]

Am I the only one who got 4 PM's about gamestart

Nope.

[Random Nurse]

Any consensus on the expected number of Scum members this game?

I'm thinking it's safe to assume it's 3.

Don't bitch about me asking.

Going to bed now, and will be up later this evening. No quickhammers either.

[Random Nurse]

Any consensus on the expected number of Scum members this game?

count the number of names in your pm

And what did you think you'd gain from your weak attempt at casting shade at me, STD?

I want you to explain your intention.

[Random Nurse]

Fine.

We'll see how much it was "just a joke" as the this Day wears on.

[Random Nurse]

I'm awake and around.

Should be more active in 6 hours.

Don't worry Naerys: I'm Town again this time.

[Random Nurse]

Random Nurse votes seem like they are for RN's naturally kinda scummy aggro tone, idk if that's AI yet for me

"Scummy aggro tone," Cakez?

How well do you know my meta?

If you know it you will QUICKLY be able to tell what I am.

[Random Nurse]

Aggro? YES. Scummy? NO.

I like to get INTENSE and pick things apart once I actually start getting INTO the game and pulling at loose strings.

[Random Nurse]

Random Nurse votes seem like they are for RN's naturally kinda scummy aggro tone, idk if that's AI yet for me

"Scummy aggro tone," Cakez?

How well do you know my meta?

If you know it you will QUICKLY be able to tell what I am.

Aggro? YES. Scummy? NO.

I like to get INTENSE and pick things apart once I actually start getting INTO the game and pulling at loose strings.

I don't think I recall seeing a response from you regarding these two posts, Cakez.

[Random Nurse]

*I haven't been that active currently because I am actively going through the process of buying my first home. Bit preoccupied.

[Random Nurse]

I'll be available later. Stuck in 16-hr hospital orientation doing admissions. Should've put myself V/LA fora day. @mod would this be OK?

[Random Nurse]

You guys just randomly voting to see their reactions? It really seems like it.

VOTE: NotAScum

[Random Nurse]

V/LA until Friday.

Can't get my head above water due to work 16's.

[Random Nurse]

OK so one thing I do want to ask is why people are pressing for a no-lim Day 1. Is it just me or does that not make any sense?

[Random Nurse]

T3->NotScum->Nurse------->Black--> (everyone else not in my keep category)

This would describe where i'm at in terms of priority launch order right now.

My thoughts about T3 212 still hold up. I'm not sure what to make of there 449 walkback. Gut instinct, it feels bad to me to 180 on their position given the other posts within the ISO but I probs need to think on it more.

I'm taking NotScum's 464 as a sign they may become easier to get a read on from day 2 onward (otherwise they'd probs be on the same rank as T3 for not providing much to work with)


VOTE: T3

Out of curiosity what's your reasoning for me being there?

I would hate to think you're being opportunistic.

[Random Nurse]

How do u want to get info if u dont lim? Besides scum would likely just shoot snow which would give us 0 info
The best info we get from wagons and limming

Wait for town info roles to provide info on D2? Conclusions from D1 train alone isn't reliable, they've to be combined with other info.

NAS are you against limming today?

Regardless it's important that we do so today even if it's a member of Town because then at least we can draw associations on who wanted who limmed.

[Random Nurse]

I'm sorta agreeing with gob and don't like the wagon comp, but I don't like the reaction either.

I don't think the fact that my wagon got to E-1 so fast is an indicator that I'm town, in practice, scum will usually be off flashwagons.

The scummiest vote on me is Cakez's though.

Could you elaborate a bit more on that one?

[Random Nurse]

If it means preventing a no-lim I am open to hammering.

[Random Nurse]

VOTE: T3

Clock is running out.

[Random Nurse]

VOTE: no lim

Are you new?

We NEED info Night 1. Please put your vote back on T3.

[Random Nurse]

VOTE: no lim

Are you new?

We NEED info Night 1. Please put your vote back on T3.

Ok you fixed it.

[Random Nurse]

Could we have a VC please?

[Random Nurse]

OK he's already hammered.

[Random Nurse]

Interesting.

[Random Nurse]

Interesting.

What's your thoughts on this?

PEDIT: lol on the mind meld

I wasn't expecting two kills.

Also, I admit I haven't been that active—working back to back 16-hour shifts.

If I read the latest page correctly there's a claim/CC on the vig shot?

[Random Nurse]

What if there are two vigs who both shot cakez

I don't like this line of thought.

I don't see how there'd be two Vigs in a 13-player game. Doesn't fit.

[Random Nurse]

What if there are two vigs who both shot cakez

I don't like this line of thought.

I don't see how there'd be two Vigs in a 13-player game. Doesn't fit.

Can it be that town has 2 vigs at the expense of lifting another power role?

I highly, highly doubt it, because now you're talking three potential kills in one night.

No, I don't see that as a possibility one bit, and I do challenge Scum to offer me their heads if they disagree.

[Random Nurse]

Gut pinging on Gob and Black.

[Random Nurse]

VOTE: Black

[Random Nurse]

“How you vote me over him, you must be him partner.”

[Random Nurse]

I mean yeah it doesn't feel very logical to want to fade me instead of the guy you think is fake claiming Vig

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Did I say that?

I said my gut pinged on both Gob and you. That’s it.

Over-extend much?

[Random Nurse]

I mean yeah it doesn't feel very logical to want to fade me instead of the guy you think is fake claiming Vig

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Did I say that?

I said my gut pinged on both Gob and you. That’s it.

Over-extend much?

Why do you scumread gob?

I didn’t say that.

I just feel two Vigs can’t exist and between Gob and Snow my gut pinged on Gob.

Can’t exactly explain intuition.

[Random Nurse]

So you don't think there are two vigs which implies you think one of gob/Snow is lying, yet you vote for me? Explain the thought process there

The way you made some of those posts triggered my gut, and I didn't like that.

I'm going to bed now, but I can and will bring this up later once I have time.

[Random Nurse]

RN is quieter than usual. He is more active in other games. This isn't a good look.

Also HT is trying to stay completely under the radar. I think the third scum is between these two

Don't discuss ongoing games.

[Random Nurse]

Gut's yelling me it's Gob and Black together doing theater.

I'll have to consult with my gut over this while dreaming.

[Random Nurse]

I need to say it before I go to sleep.

1) There's no way there's two Vigs in thus game, so one if Gob/Snow are lying and thus Scum.

2) Some of Black's recent posts pinged my gut. I play based on gut. Her over-reactions piqued my interest. Haven't even poked at her, just said she pinged my gut (OMG!), and she responded more than what seemed normal. When I awake I'll probably reach out a singular claw and give a little tickle. That ought to be fun. See you soon.

[Random Nurse]

Gut's yelling me it's Gob and Black together doing theater.

I'll have to consult with my gut over this while dreaming.

RN trying to push this narrative after he already said he was going to sleep is pretty scummy

Trying to throw everything including the floorboards, eh?

[Random Nurse]

Gut's yelling me it's Gob and Black together doing theater.

I'll have to consult with my gut over this while dreaming.

my gut reaction was the same. something about gob and blacks back and forth feels manufactured. I can't pinpoint where though. I think gob is a goon but we'll know that at the end of the day

Yeah, that. The exchanges felt... odd. Not natural.

[Random Nurse]

Gut's yelling me it's Gob and Black together doing theater.

I'll have to consult with my gut over this while dreaming.

my gut reaction was the same. something about gob and blacks back and forth feels manufactured. I can't pinpoint where though. I think gob is a goon but we'll know that at the end of the day

Yeah, that. The exchanges felt... odd. Not natural.

Help me fade gob then

Why the rush?

Why do you think I can't just launch you first and then savage the other two?

[Random Nurse]

Gut's yelling me it's Gob and Black together doing theater.

I'll have to consult with my gut over this while dreaming.

my gut reaction was the same. something about gob and blacks back and forth feels manufactured. I can't pinpoint where though. I think gob is a goon but we'll know that at the end of the day

Yeah, that. The exchanges felt... odd. Not natural.

Help me fade gob then

Why the rush?

Why do you think I can't just launch you first and then savage the other two?

There's no rush. I just don't think you'll actually help me fade gob despite thinking he's scum

Why would you rather fade me first over gob anyway?

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Why do you keep constantly rushing to conclusions?

I haven't even done anything and you're all twitchy.

[Random Nurse]

Also why do you keep posting despite saying several times you're going to bed? It feels like you have this need to keep up with the thread because someone is calling you scum. It's giving nervous energy

Another floorboard I see.

*sidesteps*

My brain will go to bed when it wants to.

[Random Nurse]

If anything it's RN's vote that is making Black nervous. The vote is working well.
Posting after feeling sleepy means nothing. There can be many valid reasons for that.

I don't need support.

If you're Town focus on inconsistencies and theatre play, and point it out.

[Random Nurse]

If anything it's RN's vote that is making Black nervous. The vote is working well.
Posting after feeling sleepy means nothing. There can be many valid reasons for that.

I'm not nervous at all

...your reactions tell me otherwise.

[Random Nurse]

If anything it's RN's vote that is making Black nervous. The vote is working well.
Posting after feeling sleepy means nothing. There can be many valid reasons for that.

I'm not nervous at all

...your reactions tell me otherwise.

Answer my question

You are in

no

position to make demands of me.

[Random Nurse]

Will you please explain why you would rather fade me over gob?

You've made it clear you don't understand gut or feelings in this game. It may as well be a different language to you. If that is your foil it will not protect you if you're Scum. You apparently want me to logically explain a gut feeling. Intuition. That's not how it works. My gut doesn't like your recent exchanges. You responded disproportionately. You don't understand the gut, and that is a weakness of yours, not mine.

[Random Nurse]

I don't understand why you are being so difficult

You think this is difficult?

[Random Nurse]

So your gut read on me being scum is stronger than your gut read on gob being scum? Am I understanding that correctly?

Currently, yeah.

Your last 20+ posts in response to me simply saying my gut has an idea on you haven't helped you.

[Random Nurse]

Gut pinging on Gob and Black.

VOTE: Black

Then why not just vote gob?

I can sort those two out later: one of them is clearly Scum.

This one is really starting my gut.

[Random Nurse]

Gob + Black + Hu Tao?

[Random Nurse]

Hm.

Gut's screaming at me that it's Black and she simply cannot abide.

That said, if you want to launch between Gob and Snow have at it. I'd be more inclined to launch Gob currently, pending further scrutiny.

[Random Nurse]

Also what was the benefit of gob claiming right now. Did he think his partner would get heat today or something?

If he's scum then he wanted to out the Vig. He started pushing me when he realized the Vig was one-shot

Which post made him realize the Vig was one-shot?

[Random Nurse]

RN is always paranoid. So he could actually be town here. I won't rule it out. NAS I'm unsure

With good reason. 3 of you are Scum.

[Random Nurse]

Hm.

Gut's screaming at me that it's Black and she simply cannot abide.

That said, if you want to launch between Gob and Snow have at it. I'd be more inclined to launch Gob currently, pending further scrutiny.

Remember when your gut kept screaming at me I was scum and I was town. Try to think in a world black is town for a bit

Yeah, well, you're a special bundle.

[Random Nurse]

Gob should be our target today for sure. The possible scum team is gob + black + ht

I'm OK with launching Gob.

However, if it turns out he's Scum I cannot stress enough putting scrutiny on Black.

[Random Nurse]

Gob should be our target today for sure. The possible scum team is gob + black + ht

I'm OK with launching Gob.

However, if it turns out he's Scum I cannot stress enough putting scrutiny on Black.

Who do you think is scum in a town!gob world?

Well, if Gob is Town then Snow would be dead immediately.

If Gob us Town, putting Snow aside, I'd have to re-evaluate.

[Random Nurse]

Oh yea i am not vigilante. Sorry for lying about it. Wasnt even planning on it really. Just sorta did it without thinking.

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How do you sorta lie about being Vig without thinking?

VOTE: Gob

[Random Nurse]

VOTE: Black

It is clear to me that Black and Gob are teammates.

[Random Nurse]

Hu, what do you think about Black + STD?

[Random Nurse]

Hu, what do you think about Black + STD?

That's what I was thinking but I don't know if they would both do this right now as partners. I'm thinking maybe I'm wrong on someone else

I'm thinking the best course of action now is to flip Black. That would yield the most amount of information.

[Random Nurse]

I'm a town PR. I'd rather not reveal my role as it would greatly benefit scum if I do

Yeah, I get you need more time to formulate a fake claim.

If you're not going to share what your PR is then don't mention you have one.

[Random Nurse]

Random Nurse may have site flaked

If he's town then maybe a replacement will be able to show us that

I am here. At work again for 16 hours.

[Random Nurse]

I don't understand why I'm being voted.

I felt one if gob/snow were Scum and voted gob, but I also felt that Black's exchanges with Gob were Scum theater. So I guess I'm getting voted because I said my gut made me think Black/gob were Scum-Scum. It makes NO sense whatsoever to try to shade/lim me for that, and it's not fair to tell me I have to try to logically explain a gut feeling. I play primarily based on gut!

[Random Nurse]

I don't understand why I'm being voted.

I felt one if gob/snow were Scum and voted gob

, but I also felt that Black's exchanges with Gob were Scum theater. So I guess I'm getting voted because I said my gut made me think Black/gob were Scum-Scum. It makes NO sense whatsoever to try to shade/lim me for that, and it's not fair to tell me I have to try to logically explain a gut feeling. I play primarily based on gut!

This isn't true. You felt like one of gob/Snow was scum and then you voted me. That's the primary reason I'm suspicious of you. You were pivotal in our wagons being tied at 3-3 and it felt like you were trying to keep gob alive

I thought I had voted gob.

The reason I voted you is because I felt your exchanges with gob were Scum and Scum, and after limming you I could always go back to gob and lim him next.

[Random Nurse]

I don't understand why I'm being voted.

I felt one if gob/snow were Scum and voted gob

, but I also felt that Black's exchanges with Gob were Scum theater. So I guess I'm getting voted because I said my gut made me think Black/gob were Scum-Scum. It makes NO sense whatsoever to try to shade/lim me for that, and it's not fair to tell me I have to try to logically explain a gut feeling. I play primarily based on gut!

This isn't true. You felt like one of gob/Snow was scum and then you voted me. That's the primary reason I'm suspicious of you. You were pivotal in our wagons being tied at 3-3 and it felt like you were trying to keep gob alive

I thought I had voted gob.

The reason I voted you is because I felt your exchanges with gob were Scum and Scum, and after limming you I could always go back to gob and lim him next.

Why did you want to fade me before gob though? Wouldn't it have made sense from your POV to fade gob first just to be completely sure you're not wrong about our partner interactions?

Do you at least see why I think scum!you would try to fade me first, and then reevaluate on your scumbuddy gob D3 after I flipped town?

Well, if I were Scum it'd be easier for me to just bus gob because we already knew one of them had to be Scum and it was likely gob. As Town I felt it was a sure thing and after you flipped I would have gone after gob regardless. At this point it feels like you're trying to tell me how to play as Town, when I play my own way as town.

If I were Scum it'd be much easier for me to just bus gob first. As Town I tend to go against the grain, consequences be dawned, because I'm not interested in self-preservation unless I have a cool PR. The fact that I went against the grain here instead of going the easy route of launching gob might tell you I'm actually Town.

[Random Nurse]

I know what I'm about to say no one will believe since it's self meta but today if I was scum there is no way I don't just go along with RN at the beginning of the day and try to push the vote away (assuming RN and I aren't partners) but even then I think it would better to bus in that's situation

What do you mean "go along with RN"? Like vote with him? Or vote for him? Neither of those make sense in a scum!you world. You were considering us both as TvT the day before and you kept mentioning wanting to go for NAS first. Voting me or RN would seem pretty unnatural and scummy tbh

I would just vote him. There is no reason to cause resistance. Because getting an elimination is more important. Especially when I laid the ground work of there being a scum in RN/NAS

So, I see you've shifted quite a bit since earlier, and I'm unsure how to read this now. Maybe Black really is Town then.

[Random Nurse]

I know what I'm about to say no one will believe since it's self meta but today if I was scum there is no way I don't just go along with RN at the beginning of the day and try to push the vote away (assuming RN and I aren't partners) but even then I think it would better to bus in that's situation

What do you mean "go along with RN"? Like vote with him? Or vote for him? Neither of those make sense in a scum!you world. You were considering us both as TvT the day before and you kept mentioning wanting to go for NAS first. Voting me or RN would seem pretty unnatural and scummy tbh

I can't tell which alignment you are currently.

I do notice Hu Tao's obvious shift though, which is starting to make me suspect her. Usually when someone quickly goes from "oh, you're Town" to "just vote him" in a short period of time I take that as inconsistency and likely Scum-motivated.

[Random Nurse]

VOTE: Hu Tao

[Random Nurse]

For posterity sake I would like both Save the Dragons and Hu Tao to explain exactly why they're voting me. If and when I do flip Town they will be forced to explain themselves.

[Random Nurse]

For posterity sake I would like both Save the Dragons and Hu Tao to explain exactly why they're voting me. If and when I do flip Town they will be forced to explain themselves.

I've already said I think it's NaS and Shadow. But it seems no one else agrees with me.

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If this is true then why do your actions not currently align with your words? Your vote is on me, not them.

[Random Nurse]

For posterity sake I would like both Save the Dragons and Hu Tao to explain exactly why they're voting me. If and when I do flip Town they will be forced to explain themselves.

Save the Dragons is town btw, refer to here

Bringing this back again

<---- My Brain after reading these last few pages

Ok given the cat's out of the bag now I think it's best for me to claim what I know.

I am a town neapolitan

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N1: Checked Black. came up not a VT
N2 Checked StD. came up a VT

I'm inclined to believe that Black is telling the truth when she claims TPR here. I think her postulating concern in her 772 about NaS rolefishing alongside the multiple instances where she expressed more worry about being forced to claim than actually being eliminated ( 824, 831, 935, 939, 946 there might be more in there though I think this sufficiently shows my point) point towards Black telling the truth in regards to being a town PR in my opinion

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What exactly makes them Town Neapolitan instead of Scum Neapolitan?

[Random Nurse]

Wait, I take that back.

What makes them VT instead of a Goon?

[Random Nurse]

So wait, why are you wanting to launch me again Black?

[Random Nurse]

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OK, I think it's time for you to claim, Black.

[Random Nurse]

Huh.

VOTE: Naerys

[Random Nurse]

I'm just going to write Black off as tunneled for now. :/

[Random Nurse]

The game is over, unless there are like 4 scums. Assuming 3 scums, Naerys is the last one. Either we lim naerys today or lim me today and naerys tomorrow. Either way we'll win.

I'm the town indecisive watcher.

My night actions:

N1 - watch black - smileydude visited black (Notice I asked smileydude who he visited N1 and why to check if he's telling the truth. I also asked smileydude what does he think of black specifically and didnt asked his opinion on anyone else. I did ask black and hu tao what they did to avoid making it look like im just asking a specific question to just one specific player which would easily give away my pr.)

N2 - watch snow - no one visited him (Snow outed himself and it was obvious he'll get night killed. However it was odd since no one visited him and he was dead. It makes sense now that we know hu tao is ninja.)

N3 - watch smileydude - naerys visited him (Again it was obvious he'll get night killed last night since he outed himself last day.)

So naerys visited smileydude last night and thats solves the game. Unless theres some godfather who again night killed and avoided my watch, 99% chance its naerys. I mean whatre the chances that 2 watch dodger roles are in the game? Quite unlikely.

VOTE: Naerys

Does a Godfather act like a Ninja? I thought it just turned up Inno on Cop results?

[Random Nurse]

I'm just going to write Black off as tunneled for now. :/

why? i am odd night doctor, there is nothing to be tunneled about

Tunneled on me for whatever reason.

[Random Nurse]

I'm just going to write Black off as tunneled for now. :/

If I were tunneled then I would be advocating to fade you over NAS or Naerys. You need to understand what a PoE is

Regardless you're wrong and it's annoying and you should feel bad about it. It should be fucking obvious by now this is Town Nurse.

[Random Nurse]

I'm just going to write Black off as tunneled for now. :/

If I were tunneled then I would be advocating to fade you over NAS or Naerys. You need to understand what a PoE is

Regardless you're wrong and it's annoying and you should feel bad about it. It should be fucking obvious by now this is Town Nurse.

I can't tell Town Nurse from any other Nurse. Sorry bud. I don't feel bad about it at all, but I do understand how annoying it is to be incorrectly scumread considering you've scumread me all game

Ah fuck.

That's fair.

Paranoia is hell!

[Random Nurse]

i am just so bad at being scum -.-

Not as bad as me.

You did fine.

[Random Nurse]

Although I did turn from Black to Hu.

Hu is why I have trust issues.

[Random Nurse]

I was VT.

[Random Nurse]

I know I was barely active this game. Not lying when I say I'm super-busy IRL.

Any helpful suggestions or advice would be welcomed.