Mini Normal 2329: complex. [game over!]

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titus already claimed gated roleblocker

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Hmmm shouldn't the role blocker claim earlier? They can be caught in a lie if scum

or can catch someone in a lie. it's a gamble either way.

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I'm okay with speed limming gera rn.

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I'm okay with speed limming gera rn.

is this a scumread of yours or

well it's either gera or kay or titus or psyche. I'm certain scum is in here.

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I'm okay with speed limming gera rn.

is this a scumread of yours or

well it's either gera or kay or titus or psyche. I'm certain scum is in here.

so you turned out to be wrong about nas. how has that recalibrated things for you?

I just said in the post you quoted friend.

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I'm okay with speed limming gera rn.

is this a scumread of yours or

well it's either gera or kay or titus or psyche. I'm certain scum is in here.

so you turned out to be wrong about nas. how has that recalibrated things for you?

I just said in the post you quoted friend.

maybe better question is: why do you think the misread happened?

weird conversation you're trying to start. I'll answer if you give me the basis for the question

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I'm okay with speed limming gera rn.

is this a scumread of yours or

well it's either gera or kay or titus or psyche. I'm certain scum is in here.

so you turned out to be wrong about nas. how has that recalibrated things for you?

I just said in the post you quoted friend.

maybe better question is: why do you think the misread happened?

weird conversation you're trying to start. I'll answer if you give me the basis for the question

ohh just trying to get to know ya :]

okay, nice to meet you I like reading, I like ice cream, I like to play mafia, I recently started collecting lorcana cards.

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let's just run him up

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and then kjq can accidentally on purpose hammer again.

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and then kjq can accidentally on purpose hammer again.

I’ll never make that mistake again :lol:

it was a cool hammer though.

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yeah it's way less spicy than my nas read but i feel certain town gera doesn't hold his shot this long

but who's number 3???

lol it's you.

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must be so painful to be so consistently wrong

I'm having a really good time.

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that said, i am the vig

I was about to claim vig lmao. it seems we can't mind meld.

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were you!? that sure would have been wild

I was going to double post and say because I'm the vig and shot dave.

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UNVOTE:
well this is pointless now unless someone cc's you...

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why did you not anticipate the claim?

i didn't know I would annoy you into claiming my b.

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no no this finee but

whatever, ill return to this later

your turn to claim

vt

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I'm on the edge of my seat do we just win here.

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Okay well. I believe it. But this is gonna get awkward

lol very

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the absolute mad woman

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I'm not a VT.

what are you? WHAT ARE YOU???? lol jk

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i'm fine with gera dying today...

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yeah gera sounds great. but who after gera?

probably Kay

i dont think anyone with experience would fake claim doctor

for my sanity
let's talk about the hutao scum scenario
you used to scumread hutao -- where'd that go?

high scum equit me thinks waiting to be last to claim when info doesn't really give impactful information plus titus assuming there was a vig and with gera revealed it all makes sense this is my current tin foil hat theory or it's just easily titus.

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plus titus claiming early seemed sus to me.

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i think that before we lim we should all try to come up with and maybe even approach a consensus about two full solves for the game
one that includes gera and, maybe more challengingly, one that excludes him
if we can do that, i promise not to be wild with the vig shot that i may or may not have tonight

I say go wild.

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I'm fine with hu tao too

VOTE: gera

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I think I believe titus claim more than hu tao which I believe less than kjq.

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although hu tao's claim is backed up by their switch of me from day 1 to day 2.

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yeah i think that makes more sense so titus or kjq then.

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I don't think I ever see aristeia flipping red in this setup.

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I'm fine with psyche shooting hu tao actually.

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I'm fine with psyche shooting hu tao actually.

Thank God I checked you cause you've been scum posting since day 1 😭🙏

lol I only get useful towards the end.

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Okay final call from what I think should go down

Eliminate Gera
Titus: Roleblock Kay
Hu Tao: Gun check Kay
Psyche: Vig Ari

I think this leaves us in the best situation

I don't see the substantial change if psyche shoots you or ari. if the roleblock works then kay is donezo.

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I don't see the value in vigging ari at all.

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I'm fine with stewing too.

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I'm fine with stewing too.

I’m cool with stew but like, what kind? Brunswick, Irish, lamb, gumbo? I need to know how we’re going to be stewing so I put the correct energy into it.

usually at this point I would go read their other games or something like that to get a better feel but for some reason sometimes I feel like it's cheating and not very fun and goes against the spirit of the game and other times I'm like yeah let's just see what's up. So a reading stew probably.

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I'm fine with stewing too.

I’m cool with stew but like, what kind? Brunswick, Irish, lamb, gumbo? I need to know how we’re going to be stewing so I put the correct energy into it.

usually at this point I would go read their other games or something like that to get a better feel but for some reason sometimes I feel like it's cheating and not very fun and goes against the spirit of the game and other times I'm like yeah let's just see what's up. So a reading stew probably.

I mean, technically I’m going to be going in and out of being extremely busy at work until I fly home Monday morning so this stewing might also help me not miss anything during the rest of the weekend. But in my down time I’m over here like “ahhh nothing’s happening, I should join another game!” :lol:

You should claim vla in bold on those days. I think I might go read hu taos games.

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I don't see kjq coming up with the informed role...

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if gera flips town I guess ari goes into the lim pool with kjq.

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any of these you particularly strongly feel is town?

I don't like that hu tao lied about their claim but them switching from me being scum to town d2 makes sense with their play/claim. I feel like kjq is playing around people not actually engaging that might be a new thing though I'm not sure. hu tao says they believe titus I'm not sure where that puts me on titus dannflor also said they believed titus... titus might just be town do you believe titus psyche? I don't really believe them. I think ari idk the day 2 feels a lot like town to me but with that level of insight that they've given do I believe that they would put naerys at -1 because rn said so? maybe they've never played with rn?

if i say titus gera are scum that feels right but also i'm going after the people who have posted least and who are less active. if gera flips scum I'll be really happy if he flips town idek what he is doing. I thought he said he would be easier to sort day 3 it's day 3 and nothing he basically just gave up???? Gera really feels like scum giving up with the doctor claim.

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any of these you particularly strongly feel is town?

I don't like that hu tao lied about their claim but them switching from me being scum to town d2 makes sense with their play/claim. I feel like kjq is playing around people not actually engaging that might be a new thing though I'm not sure. hu tao says they believe titus I'm not sure where that puts me on titus dannflor also said they believed titus... titus might just be town do you believe titus psyche? I don't really believe them. I think ari idk the day 2 feels a lot like town to me but with that level of insight that she's given do I believe that they would put naerys at -1 because rn said so? maybe she's never played with rn?

if i say titus gera are scum that feels right but also i'm going after the people who have posted least and who are less active. if gera flips scum I'll be really happy if he flips town idek what he is doing. I thought he said he would be easier to sort day 3 it's day 3 and nothing he basically just gave up???? Gera really feels like scum giving up with the doctor claim.

ebwop

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I'm fine with voting now

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Assuming Kay's role is legitimate, which I think it is. I'm curious how PC was chosen. Imagine we just got unlucky from a random draw and it wasn't an inno on someone else :lol:

your solve is gera and ari right? I think it's interesting how you phrase this post made me pause for a second.

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vote count 1.07

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-03-04 01:00:00).

yeet

Hu Tao [3]:

Aristeia, NotAScum, geraintm

Naerys [3]:

Hu Tao, KayJayQueue, Naerys

Klick [2]:

davesaz, Political Clout

geraintm [2]:

Dannflor, Klick

Psyche [1]:

Doctor Drew

not voting [2]:

Random Nurse

, Psyche

this is an interesting vote count after the hu tao wagon dies down not a scum joins then dann then gera joins then people leave the wagon and aristeia not a scum and gera are left on it.

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Naerys [7]:

Random Nurse

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davesaz

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geraintm, Hu Tao, Titus, Aristeia, NotAScum

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NotAScum [2]:

Dannflor, Klick

not voting [4]:

Naerys

, KayJayQueue, Political Clout, Psyche

I think based on this vote count we don't kill kjq?

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Naerys [7]:

Random Nurse

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davesaz

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geraintm, Hu Tao, Titus, Aristeia,

NotAScum

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NotAScum [2]:

Dannflor, Klick

not voting [4]:

Naerys

, KayJayQueue, Political Clout, Psyche

I think based on this vote count we don't kill kjq?

ebwop

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nvm I feel all wrong about it.

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...

What was your claim again, PC?

lol

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vt

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We made a plan and why not just stick to it. Now we have no idea if Titus actually blocked Kay.

??

VOTE: kay

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I'm okay with limming hu tao first too.

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Okay, well I feel like whatever happened at night was done to set me up to be voted here based on all the plans that were made before the last vote. I don’t know what to believe because it’s down to two people. One who knows I’ve defended and believed them since pretty early on and the other who seems extremely against me, which I guess is to be expected when 3 people are cleared, but it still feels excessive. I know what I’m supposed to think here but am I being 4-D chessed? Is this reverse psychology? Is my only option here to vote Ari or am I just dying no matter what?

Your only option is to vote hu tao.

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I honestly have no idea at this point if it’s Hu or Ari. I feel like I should have a better idea of who it is but I’m second guessing myself when I think about everything that’s happened in the game. Because they’ve both done things that I thought “clearly that’s a town thing to do” but maybe the issue here is that…do I really know what is and isn’t town? I think my inexperience is actually just hurting us. I think I’ll just do whatever RN, PC and psyche think is best. If that’s dying, so be it, I still think that we can win if they figure out which one it is.

You're supposed to say the mafia no killed last night.

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I'm okay with limming hu tao first too.

How are you town.

because you cleared me...

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I think I believe kay I don't think notascum or gera give them the informed fake claim...

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i think its kay because I think kay/gera both trueclaimed their roles.

kay should be informed mafia and gera is a doctor, they probably didn't know that they shouldn't have claimed their actual roles because they do not fit into this setup.

oh that makes more sense actually.

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VOTE: Ari

Okay PC stop scumsiding. Why are you not considering Ari

Gunsmith plus informed don't make sense to me.

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Why would Kay town clear PC as scum instead of just claiming some other role?

because it's their first game.

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VOTE: Ari

Okay PC stop scumsiding. Why are you not considering Ari

Gunsmith plus informed don't make sense to me.

Wait, Hu was the one that claimed Gunsmith or no?

correct

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This game may actually give me a stroke. I'm incredulous right now :lol: laughing through the pain

I can be convinced to vote ari maybe.

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Why would Kay town clear PC as scum instead of just claiming some other role?

because it's their first game.

^

she probly asked gera what informed townies usually are informed of and just made it up

gera said something about this too I think

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Aristeia what was your claim again?

vt

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Look at the people who died.

so what was your night result if you had one.

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I am a n1 gunsmith. Which is why I said that n2 informed townie makes sense

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

okay let me process that for a second.

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I think we just need to decide on either Kay or Hu today. Then launch the other.

VOTE: Kay

well let's wait for psyche he might have another shot and we can plan around this. plus titus said they would roleblock kay that's why no night kill I assume. how does hu ignore all that. plus they are hard defending kay for an epic i told you so tomorrow. we should just wait a little.

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I think we just need to decide on either Kay or Hu today. Then launch the other.

VOTE: Kay

well let's wait for psyche he might have another shot and we can plan around this. plus titus said they would roleblock kay that's why no night kill I assume. how does hu ignore all that. plus they are hard defending kay for an epic i told you so tomorrow. we should just wait a little.

I've literally said since yesterday that Ari and Gera were the 2 scum.

How do you 1. reconcile the fact that titus roleblocked kay
and 2. that their was no nk when there are 3 clears.

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I think we just need to decide on either Kay or Hu today. Then launch the other.

VOTE: Kay

well let's wait for psyche he might have another shot and we can plan around this. plus titus said they would roleblock kay that's why no night kill I assume. how does hu ignore all that. plus they are hard defending kay for an epic i told you so tomorrow. we should just wait a little.

I've literally said since yesterday that Ari and Gera were the 2 scum.

How do you 1. reconcile the fact that titus roleblocked kay
and 2. that their was no nk when there are 3 clears.

Because it sets up me and Kay being eliminated as you're planning to do now :lol:

That doesn't make any sense.

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I just didn’t want to give all the info away before everyone else claimed because if there was a chance you and PC actually double claimed, I would’ve been able to my shining moment of this game :lol:

I don't ever see scum posting this

I'm willing to vote between you and ari today I think.

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I feel like there are reasons to think it’s either. Is Ari pushing me so hard because she’s town and just really believes it’s me, or is she scum and will do the same thing the next day to Hu?

Alternatively, is Hu town reading me so hard because she’s town and really believes me, or is she scum trying to make sure I stay on her side?

I’m leaning Ari because between these two scenarios, Ari has stated it had to be either me or Hu over and over whereas Hu is being very firm that it’s Ari, which would leave her open to being voted out tomorrow if she already knew Ari would flip town. Why not keep some sus on me when she knows I need to be voted out too? It doesn’t make as much sense to me because what will me being in her side do for her when I’m just one vote?

That’s where I’m at currently.

just ask hu tao if ari flips town who the last scum would be.

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so...
my math says scum not shooting is just the town getting to vote on an extra vig shot -- that they get to vote on instead of trusting me to aim
why is last night's outcome such a disaster scenario?

so you have a shot?

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looks like kay is the consensus townread. so we are probably safe as long as that read is correct.
if PC/RN can commit to playing along those lines and agree, then we can just decide to let the victory go to kay, whatever her alliance is.

the safe play is to kill kay here. since they were roleblocked and no kill came through. the question isn't wether kay is town read the question is do you believe hu tao's case on town kay or are you town reading kay because of other reasons and for sure believe kay is town. if you do I would like to hear it.

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looks like kay is the consensus townread. so we are probably safe as long as that read is correct.
if PC/RN can commit to playing along those lines and agree, then we can just decide to let the victory go to kay, whatever her alliance is.

the safe play is to kill kay here. since they were roleblocked and no kill came through. the question isn't wether kay is town read the question is do you believe hu tao's case on town kay or are you town reading kay because of other reasons and for sure believe kay is town. if you do I would like to hear it.

my thinking is that unfortunately, there's really no way to get any information from the lack of an NK.
even if the NK were disrupted rather than declined, kay could still be town, as this would maximize the ambiguity of our decision today.

the only way nk was disrupted would be by titus which means kay is scum

if it was declined it would be hu tao or ari.

if we are thinking kay is town then we're thinking it's between hu tao or ari.

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looks like kay is the consensus townread. so we are probably safe as long as that read is correct.
if PC/RN can commit to playing along those lines and agree, then we can just decide to let the victory go to kay, whatever her alliance is.

the safe play is to kill kay here. since they were roleblocked and no kill came through. the question isn't wether kay is town read the question is do you believe hu tao's case on town kay or are you town reading kay because of other reasons and for sure believe kay is town. if you do I would like to hear it.

my thinking is that unfortunately, there's really no way to get any information from the lack of an NK.
even if the NK were disrupted rather than declined, kay could still be town, as this would maximize the ambiguity of our decision today.

the only way nk was disrupted would be by titus which means kay is scum

if it was declined it would be hu tao or ari.

if we are thinking kay is town then we're thinking it's between hu tao or ari.

so scenarios for N3...
titus RB succeeded and kayjayqueue NK was disrupted
titus RB failed and kayjayqueue NK was declined
hu tao declined NK
aristeia declined NK

is there any way we can discount one of these scenarios?

the claims so far that we know are

roleblocker
vig
mafia doctor
mafia bulletproof immune
ic

claims that haven't flipped are
gunsmith
informed townie

we can maybe assume the gs claim is real based on the vig and mafia doctor

we cannot be certain about the informed townie.

I don't see kjq coming up with the informed role...

Is it even real role? I've never come across something like it before

gera had this to say about it. we should look at geras game to see if this is true. if it is gera and kay don't have high scum equity together? maybe. since nas is new and so is kay. gera also true claimed his role so he might not be used to being scum.

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Since you and RN both are willing to lim kay, I guess it's safest if we lim ari now after all? She wanted to be vigged anyway -- maybe we correct the mistake now?

sure that's fine with me.

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or we can just lim kay today

I'm fine with either or

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Kay not saying anything does not inspire confidence just looks like given up scum

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for peak omegaverse content love is an illusion is my favorite.

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we should believe titus roleblocked kay and lim kay and then ari. it's the safer play.

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impossible for me to skim a player's iso without concluding "yeah it looks town" i guess. this is hell. i am in hell.

who's iso lol

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we should believe titus roleblocked kay and lim kay and then ari. it's the safer play.

If we can get RN to agree to this I will do it. But I'm unsure.

ari is already voting themselves so we can just lim them too. I haven't checked gera's topics yet either for the lazy.

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but on balance I think it's kay. they were mostly dancing around players giving a top down commentary instead of engaging with the players.

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we should believe titus roleblocked kay and lim kay and then ari. it's the safer play.

i don't understand why "titus stopped the kill" is more likely or safer to believe than "the kill was declined"

it's more safer for me to believe a green flip that said I am going to do this at night and the vig kills titus so they probably did roleblock kay. the likelihood that they didn't is very very low. it's an easier universe for me to accept basically.

in whatever universe we're in ari is suspicious if the nk goes through it clears kay and it's between ari and hu tao in this one universe we're in we decided hu tao is essentially clear and that it's between ari and kay.

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Kay where did you go?

I was up all night last night because my sleep schedule is off since coming home from work and I had to take a family member to the airport 4 hours ago. I just needed to get a couple hours sleep in. I wake up to like 4 more pages lol I’m here now and I got my sleep.

gotcha anything else?

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on the other hand, isn't gunsmith/vig/mafia-doctor kind of swingy? seems to be easy for both our roles to almost independently throw or win the game

with a bp ic

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Kay where did you go?

I was up all night last night because my sleep schedule is off since coming home from work and I had to take a family member to the airport 4 hours ago. I just needed to get a couple hours sleep in. I wake up to like 4 more pages lol I’m here now and I got my sleep.

gotcha anything else?

What do you mean?

why should I townread you over aristeia?

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i sort of expected an ari self-vote in the last page, though with less back-and-forth.
but in the end it's kind of consistent with the "this sucks! this sucks!" --> "i wash my hands" patterns of other days.
each of these have been quite believable imo. but next to kay, im forced to doubt my own eyes.

i never self voted on any other day pls dont lie

you did self vote twice in this game iirc I don't think it matters that much tbh.

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again another distraction. we gotta focusss or just move on to next day

why is kay town? since apparently they're here but don't want to answer my question.

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again another distraction. we gotta focusss or just move on to next day

why is kay town? since apparently they're here but don't want to answer my question.

i simply can't find a scummy post. and she's always been performing trying to sort. voting/read trajectories seem consistent too. just a solid performance.

can you show me this?

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KJQ comes across as town trying to find out alignments, where NAS feels like performative new not real new.

this is NAS's only completed game on this site;

viewtopic.php?sid=&f=51&t=92263&user_select%5B%5D=37348

I see no indication he's not just a newbie

VOTE: NAS

these 2 posts don't make sense.

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KJQ comes across as town trying to find out alignments, where NAS feels like performative new not real new.

this is NAS's only completed game on this site;

viewtopic.php?sid=&f=51&t=92263&user_select%5B%5D=37348

I see no indication he's not just a newbie

VOTE: NAS

these 2 posts don't make sense.

did you miss this post that happened in between them;

do you even have a case for not a scum

so notascum ended as the second biggest wagon of yesterday and was discussed at length as a potential scumread by tons of people
but aristeia, who went out of her way to push through the naeyrs wagon through against a wealth of resistance, apparently did not notice anyone post reasons for voting NAS either 1) back when anyone made these posts, or 2) while reflecting on the outcome of Day and Night 1
aristeia even bothered to spend a post examining NAS's game history before peeking at even one post someone's made this game explainaing their NAS scumread
supposing this slot is town -- which i suppose is not certain! -- the amount of wasted effort here is breathtaking

where psyche basically says im breathtakingly stupid for not recognizing NAS is mafia

yes I'm just reading iso's

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doesn't kjq seem a bit too informed or is that just me? like they were townreading dave when almost no one else was.

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we should look at mod's other games to see if there is this sort of n1 n2 pattern in other games and also for gera's claim that he didn't know that role even existed.

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we should look at mod's other games to see if there is this sort of n1 n2 pattern in other games and also for gera's claim that he didn't know that role even existed.

I'm p sure Datisi has never modded a mini normal with 5 TPRs [I don't count miller as a TPR]

I think that's what is throwing me off I thought we all would just launch kay today because of the no two lims at night. but now hu tao and psyche are saying kay is for sure town idk how that is. if it's a three way tie between hu-kay-and yourself. let me look at datisis other games.

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viewtopic.php?t=88709 5 prs in this game? I'm not sure if I would count backups?

from the 6 mini's only that one had 5?

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doesn't kjq seem a bit too informed or is that just me? like they were townreading dave when almost no one else was.

I gave a detailed response about my opinion on Dave in 1143. Maybe no one else was townreading him at the time but I didn’t just pull that opinion out of my ass and not back it up.

no you didn't i asked you to explain why those posts were town and you outright refused claiming the mafia were going to get you.

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fixed some post tags I hope that's okay.

so what did you agree with from those posts? Terribly sorry to muck in again, what exactly led you to the conclusion oh these are town posts are coming from someone who is the uninformed majority?

I’m not sure how much info I want to give about everything I agree with or not because it might inform someone else on how to get me on board with them and I don’t want to be played like a fiddle later on. I think I’ve given more than enough info for you to draw a reasonable conclusion on my “why”.

As for klick here are my posts: 134, 144, 244, 387, 389, 425, 468, 703, 1102

Again, take from that what you will, I definitely don’t agree with everything in these posts but as I said, they informed my opinion.

(Thank you for adding the links, I’ll look into how to do that)

here

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doesn't kjq seem a bit too informed or is that just me? like they were townreading dave when almost no one else was.

I gave a detailed response about my opinion on Dave in 1143. Maybe no one else was townreading him at the time but I didn’t just pull that opinion out of my ass and not back it up.

no you didn't i asked you to explain why those posts were town and you outright refused claiming the mafia were going to get you.

Yeah yeah I get you felt a way about that but I’m not sorry for holding onto that info and not letting scum understand my thought process. I’m sorry you didn’t agree with how I played it but I felt I gave more than enough information at the time. And it feels like damned if you do, damned if you don’t when it comes to having townreads. You end up being right? Oh well you already knew. You’re wrong? Oh you were just covering for your team. You can twist almost any outcome in the game to someone being scum or town if you try hard enough.

you can't actually you're free to answer right now why those posts were town since it's between you and aristeia.

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doesn't kjq seem a bit too informed or is that just me? like they were townreading dave when almost no one else was.

I gave a detailed response about my opinion on Dave in 1143. Maybe no one else was townreading him at the time but I didn’t just pull that opinion out of my ass and not back it up.

no you didn't i asked you to explain why those posts were town and you outright refused claiming the mafia were going to get you.

Yeah yeah I get you felt a way about that but I’m not sorry for holding onto that info and not letting scum understand my thought process. I’m sorry you didn’t agree with how I played it but I felt I gave more than enough information at the time. And it feels like damned if you do, damned if you don’t when it comes to having townreads. You end up being right? Oh well you already knew. You’re wrong? Oh you were just covering for your team. You can twist almost any outcome in the game to someone being scum or town if you try hard enough.

you can't actually you're free to answer right now why those posts were town since it's between you and aristeia.

So Dave had scum opinions about Hu and klick, which I didn’t think made sense. Dave then changed his opinion on klick which I agreed with, and it also felt town to change his mind once more time passed even when others were still scum-reading klick. (I’m pretty sure that included you) I also didn’t agree when he disagreed with psyche and said the recent posts made it seem more likely that you were scum, PC. And this was when I was at the time voting psyche because I was getting a weird vibe that I eventually got over but the opinion on you was not what was tripping me up so I disagreed with Dave’s view there.

do you think hu tao could be mafia here?

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I'd rather vote kay today if they flip green and clear then it's hu tao. we don't objectively gain anything if we flip aristeia.

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unless you think there are 5 prs then yeah I guess it's all just a matter of perspective :^)

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I'd rather vote kay today if they flip green and clear then it's hu tao. we don't objectively gain anything if we flip aristeia.

is this based on setup logic or

the mod only has one mini where there are 5 prs and two of them are backups the rest are 4.

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unless you think there are 5 prs then yeah I guess it's all just a matter of perspective :^)

im wondering if it can be rationalized in terms of the distribution of town power.
a single cop would have cleared around many slots by now as an IC/gunsmith/informed, right?
i guess distributing the town power adds power though -- more agents confirmed by their claims, more consistency in the number of results obtained...

if gs outs they are also pseudo cleared with the clear they have. that's potentially 2 people clear. plus ic bp plus informed townie. idk.

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but okay then! that's enough reason to prefer kay under neutral conditions. but then im worried about hutao getting limmed. i do think she's very probably town. i guess i feel that about any of these slots if i think a lot about them, but i have relatively concrete reasons for TRing hutao. and i even have some concrete reasons for scumreading ari. the trajectory you're outlining is very dangerous in my head!

maybe if the ic wasn't bp. because scum have to wait until n3 to kill them.

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ok. i think your reasoning, if true, should just imply to me that game ends today despite my reservations about ari. i shouldn't think too much about D5 if i accept it.

now, how confident are you that hutao and kay can't both be town in this setup? bet the game on it confident?

If you ask me I would say 85% bet the game confident? yeah I'm a very chaotic impulsive player so maybe not the best person to ask.

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okay kay sry it's time

wait you realize if kay flips green I'm going to think it's hu tao right?

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amazing. so ari is the one the town agrees to let win the game. never wouldve seen it coming

don't think there's anything else to do then

lol we can marinate on it and then revisit after tonight. I'm going to reread the game. I'm not a huge fan of ari's naerys vote then implosion day 2 idk what to call it tbh.

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okay kay sry it's time

wait you realize if kay flips green I'm going to think it's hu tao right?

my hope is that your 1v1 read and my hutao townread means the game ends today
out of my hands the next, unless scum decide i look easier to deceive

fair enough.

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vote count 1.06

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-03-04 01:00:00).

yeet

Hu Tao [5]:

Naerys, Aristeia,

NotAScum

, Dannflor,

geraintm

Klick [2]:

davesaz, Political Clout

Naerys [2]:

Hu Tao, KayJayQueue

Psyche [1]:

Doctor Drew

not voting [3]:

Random Nurse

, Klick, Psyche

mod notes

meep

flavour

I think two scum on hu tao wagon means they're town

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I'm fine with townlocking hu tao

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I'd rather vote kay today if they flip green and clear then it's hu tao. we don't objectively gain anything if we flip aristeia.

Wtf. Wasn't I just town?

that happened just now.

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Let's just vote Ari and if there is a tomorrow we vote Kay. I don't trust RN or maybe PC to vote Ari tomorrow

VOTE: ari

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wait clout but what about the setup logic

UNVOTE: lol I'm down to press on the gas for what I said. and lim ari tomorrow.

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if your setup reasoning is still sound, which you were bet-the-game-sure of a moment ago, then we can lim kay because we are bet-the-game-sure she's the remaining scum. it's forced by poe. and our personal sense of honor.

well I don't know about honor but I do like being right.

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if your setup reasoning is still sound, which you were bet-the-game-sure of a moment ago, then we can lim kay because we are bet-the-game-sure she's the remaining scum. it's forced by poe. and our personal sense of honor.

plus it all goes out the window if wotc applies to kay.

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ignore everything charming about kay for a moment and tell me that both hutao and kay's PR claims can be true and i will accept this

to me it doesn't make sense

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if your setup reasoning is still sound, which you were bet-the-game-sure of a moment ago, then we can lim kay because we are bet-the-game-sure she's the remaining scum. it's forced by poe. and our personal sense of honor.

plus it all goes out the window if wotc applies to kay.

What is wotc?

wisdom of the crowds.

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if your setup reasoning is still sound, which you were bet-the-game-sure of a moment ago, then we can lim kay because we are bet-the-game-sure she's the remaining scum. it's forced by poe. and our personal sense of honor.

plus it all goes out the window if wotc applies to kay.

What is wotc?

wisdom of the crowds.

Okay that was less than helpful lol what exactly does that mean?

if a lot of people town read you you're probably town. it's also how we play mafia people coming together for a collective good. it's also one of the rules mods might have in signups where if someone or some people message them that they don't want to play with someone they might disallow a player and message them privately

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I guess we have to lim ari because of rn I would rather lim kay though. we have kay and hu taown and psyche and me.

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I'm not voting Aristeia.

Full fucking stop.

Why are you ignoring that all these fucking Town PRs make no sense? It's WAY too much Town power.

Aristeia is the only unconfirmed VT claim.

ok, i have really good reasons for thinking hutao is town though. can we compromise on kay? or will you hear me out first?

Fine.

Share your reasons.

I'm open to Kay. I am NOT convinced on voting Aristeia this game. There's way too much claimed Town power it makes NO sense in a reviewed game.

alright let's vote kay

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If Kay flips Town and somehow I'm still alive I'll be voting Hu Tao.

I'll be voting ari.

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VOTE: kay

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If Kay flips Town and somehow I'm still alive I'll be voting Hu Tao.

I'll be voting ari.

Why?

Makes no sense mechanics-wise.

hu tao is lock town for me I would have beleived two scum on hu tao would be bussing if not a scum voted second not gera.

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What are the odds that Kay scum clears PC though? Instead of just claiming something like VT?

hmmm a salient point I think. UNVOTE:

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aw cmon ari just acknowledged an inconvenient possibility which would imply she's scum that has to be town

you never hammered tho on a weird make hu tao hammer power trip for some odd reason. now I wanna hear hu tao.

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I'm back

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VOTE: kay

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Can I ask why you cleared PC day 3? Did you know I had an innocent on PC?

genius move tbh

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Watch Kay be an alt account pretending to be new :lol:

I believe this.

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Everyone was saying oh the scum team is coaching, feeding info - I fucking wish :cry: :cry: :lol:

how annoyed were you with all the questions I asked?

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we're getting ahead of ourselves let's wait for the great mod

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most interesting thing about this game for me was the way the possibility of being wrong absolutely terrified and hobbled us through most of the game. entirety of D2 and D3 was a funeral for slots everyone scumread

I feel foolish about my nas read.

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still can't believe he's scum tbh.

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the lolhammer broke my heart

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most interesting thing about this game for me was the way the possibility of being wrong absolutely terrified and hobbled us through most of the game. entirety of D2 and D3 was a funeral for slots everyone scumread

and also this was like 99% my fault. pls dont ever send me a vig role pm again

nah I think they were essential hits. just cleared out the clutter tbh. I think we still get there but we do a lot of gymnastics to get to it.

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Thank you for modding the game datisi! I had a lot of fun.