Mini Normal 2329: complex. [game over!]

[Psyche]

unless you think there are 5 prs then yeah I guess it's all just a matter of perspective :^)

im wondering if it can be rationalized in terms of the distribution of town power.
a single cop would have cleared around many slots by now as an IC/gunsmith/informed, right?
i guess distributing the town power adds power though -- more agents confirmed by their claims, more consistency in the number of results obtained...

[Psyche]

but okay then! that's enough reason to prefer kay under neutral conditions. but then im worried about hutao getting limmed. i do think she's very probably town. i guess i feel that about any of these slots if i think a lot about them, but i have relatively concrete reasons for TRing hutao. and i even have some concrete reasons for scumreading ari. the trajectory you're outlining is very dangerous in my head!

[Psyche]

ok. i think your reasoning, if true, should just imply to me that game ends today despite my reservations about ari. i shouldn't think too much about D5 if i accept it.

now, how confident are you that hutao and kay can't both be town in this setup? bet the game on it confident?

[Psyche]

ok. i think your reasoning, if true, should just imply to me that game ends today despite my reservations about ari. i shouldn't think too much about D5 if i accept it.

now, how confident are you that hutao and kay can't both be town in this setup? bet the game on it confident?

If you ask me I would say 85% bet the game confident? yeah I'm a very chaotic impulsive player so maybe not the best person to ask.

finally someone after my own heart

[Psyche]

okay kay sry it's time

[Psyche]

amazing. so ari is the one the town agrees to let win the game. never wouldve seen it coming

don't think there's anything else to do then

[Psyche]

okay kay sry it's time

wait you realize if kay flips green I'm going to think it's hu tao right?

my hope is that your 1v1 read and my hutao townread means the game ends today
out of my hands the next, unless scum decide i look easier to deceive

[Psyche]

Do we have anything inconsistent on Ari currently?

As is her non-stop screaming "I AM TOWN!" is so convincing.

sure. ive discussed a few things. not in a place to pull together all the stuff though

[Psyche]

vote count 1.06

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-03-04 01:00:00).

yeet

Hu Tao [5]:

Naerys, Aristeia,

NotAScum

, Dannflor,

geraintm

Klick [2]:

davesaz, Political Clout

Naerys [2]:

Hu Tao, KayJayQueue

Psyche [1]:

Doctor Drew

not voting [3]:

Random Nurse

, Klick, Psyche

mod notes

meep

flavour

I think two scum on hu tao wagon means they're town

this is the gist of my NAS-based hutao read
NAS's vote on hutao makes much more sense if they aren't the same team and NAS was hoping for a quicklim

[Psyche]

what's your reads list now?

Town: Random Nurse
Leaning town: Dannflor, davesaz, Hu Tao
Unsure: Political Clout, Psyche, Aristeia
Possibly scum: Titus, geraintm
Flailing: NotAScum

My leaning town and unsure lists could honestly be combined right now. Those 6 I’m trying to figure out but I need more info and more perspectives. The weird late night (for me) Ari/psyche/Hu convo was just extremely confusing and disjointed, and I’m not sure what it accomplished besides making my brain numb but it definitely didn’t make me feel like I had a great read on any of them. But I am still going to lean town on Hu right now, I don’t have any jarring reason not to.

Why am I scum??? I've done nothing scummy all game?? Tell me what I've done?
I think you have barely mentioned me this game?

Why am I scum??? I've done nothing scummy all game?? Tell me what I've done?
I think you have barely mentioned me this game?

I think this sums it up:

Checking in quickly.
Not sure of the night kill, but I ain't going to waste time speculating on the reasoning.

So you think day 1 is a waste of time, you don’t want to speculate on what happened at night…what exactly

is

worth your time then?

It’s not a lot to go on but you haven’t given much…

No, I haven't. But absence of content does not equal scum.

I don’t dispute that but I’m still going to keep you at that point in my list for now. Absence of content also doesn’t prove town in any way. So if you’re a null at best and I have better feelings about most of the others, you’re going to land near the bottom of my list.

there is a trajectory of interactions around gera starting around here that might be sorting w a little squinting

and again look at kay/gera convo around these posts if you want to try copping a relational tell on her

[Psyche]

we are finally on the same wavelength about kay

[Psyche]

I just don’t see the point when all 3 of us are fighting the same thing, plus I don’t have the experience to say what things are or aren’t normal and I don’t think I should act like I know when
I don’t. Ari is right to say I don’t know as much as everyone else because I’m new, she’s just wrong when she said I was making “new player” decisions as scum. I want to be helpful, I’ve been answering questions directed toward me but beyond that, I don’t know what to do.

in your shoes i'd be doing the same stuff im doing as confirmed town. being one of the uncomfirmed doesnt mean you can't search isos for information that might push the town's reads one way or another

[Psyche]

haha
it feels like we are going in circles and then there's a shift
now ari is townreading kay and clout is locked hutaown
who knows where we'll be if we go another 24 hours

[Psyche]

Checking in quickly.
Not sure of the night kill, but I ain't going to waste time speculating on the reasoning.

So you think day 1 is a waste of time, you don’t want to speculate on what happened at night…what exactly

is

worth your time then?

this being scum vs scum is just so hard to accepttt. but i guess it's totally possible

[Psyche]

wait clout but what about the setup logic

[Psyche]

if your setup reasoning is still sound, which you were bet-the-game-sure of a moment ago, then we can lim kay because we are bet-the-game-sure she's the remaining scum. it's forced by poe. and our personal sense of honor.

[Psyche]

ignore everything charming about kay for a moment and tell me that both hutao and kay's PR claims can be true and i will accept this

[Psyche]

then if we tr hutao, we accept the horrible scary idea that kay has been lying to us for 136 pages

[Psyche]

i think it has to be kay but it's tough to accept. we do get an extra day if we are wrong...

[Psyche]

it feels like we can never get on the same page psyche :(

i still think the relational tells strongly cue hutaown!
did you see that VC that PC posted? do you think NAS and gera were both in on the bussing? that's quite a commitment...

[Psyche]

i know it's

possible

they were bussing or calculating that hutao would live but im just doubting it. it's a...discountable possibility
and i dont know setup stuff as well as you guys but i trust the reasoning enough to discount that you are scum
this poe is the fruit of our labor

[Psyche]

well RN was legit scummy then. but idk

[Psyche]

did you see that VC that PC posted? do you think NAS and gera were both in on the bussing? that's quite a commitment...

if you have a teammate looking like they r going to get speedyeeted super fast why wouldnt you jump on to bus?

i dont think it looks like a speedyeet unless those two are on the wagon though. 3 votes in a 13 player game -- where one of the 3 is a self vote -- is below the meh threshold

[Psyche]

ive put on this ate "i dont know what's going on and im bad at this game and scared" act before. it's very easy because you are already feeling anxious and unsure as scum who has a strong chance of losing right now. we must stay strong

[Psyche]

well RN was legit scummy then. but idk

Bullshit.

All I asked was what heat Scum was packing.

okayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[Psyche]

omg cmon rn you've barely read the thread

[Psyche]

this is hilarious. we

have

to win today. today we lim the scum. it's early lylo

[Psyche]

i know it's

possible

they were bussing or calculating that hutao would live but im just doubting it. it's a...discountable possibility
and i dont know setup stuff as well as you guys but i trust the reasoning enough to discount that you are scum
this poe is the fruit of our labor

yes I know you don't know setup mech as well as I do.

but setup mech is something that exists outside of this game that you can research. Like pull up some of the completed mini normals and check how many towns have the potential to generate four clears by day 3. I really doubt you will find a single one because it's simply incredibly unbalanced.

I am only bringing it up because I think if you understood it then this would be a very simple and easy decision for you but I can't make you do it.

if you prefer I can do the analysis myself and compile it in a spreadsheet to share with you but then you'd be counting on me doing the work.

i trust you on this! 100%!
now if only we could agree that between hutao and kay it is...

[Psyche]

I'm not voting Aristeia.

Full fucking stop.

Why are you ignoring that all these fucking Town PRs make no sense? It's WAY too much Town power.

Aristeia is the only unconfirmed VT claim.

ok, i have really good reasons for thinking hutao is town though. can we compromise on kay? or will you hear me out first?

[Psyche]

urgh urgh urgh i wanna win today. it should be kay so that game ends

[Psyche]

yall have literally ruled out ari as scum. you broke it down to me piece by piece. it's absurd to vote her right now. we should be treating her as cleared or just give up entirely on human reason.

[Psyche]

If you think ari

must

be town, then vote accordingly. that's all im asking. you might be wrong but at least you'll make sense

[Psyche]

I'm not voting Aristeia.

Full fucking stop.

Why are you ignoring that all these fucking Town PRs make no sense? It's WAY too much Town power.

Aristeia is the only unconfirmed VT claim.

ok, i have really good reasons for thinking hutao is town though. can we compromise on kay? or will you hear me out first?

Fine.

Share your reasons.

I'm open to Kay. I am NOT convinced on voting Aristeia this game. There's way too much claimed Town power it makes NO sense in a reviewed game.

Okay, before that, how about we just do kay and then hutao? i can guarantee you'll be alive tomorrow to lay down your vote. If you vote with me in your next post and I'm alive and the game continues tomorrow, I'll vote hutao in my first post for you. 1 for 1

[Psyche]

even if you're dead tomorrow. i'll lock it in

[Psyche]

im betting the game on kayscum. yall should all pick a read you believe in

[Psyche]

i don't understand. hutao do you think a setup where you and kay are both town PRs is possible?

[Psyche]

darn it
so do i
how can it be that hutao and ari disagree about this
i was told that setup spec is an objective science in this scenario

[Psyche]

ari and hutao should hash this out for like a couple more posts and then tell us if they scumread each other again

[Psyche]

darn it
so do i
how can it be that hutao and ari disagree about this
i was told that setup spec is an objective science in this scenario

it is objective

you can check yourself

there are hundreds of completed mini normals

is hutao lying then? aghhh no pls

[Psyche]

man this game would have been a lot more fun if i were scum

[Psyche]

I figured it out. There were only 2 scum and this is a social experiment to see how long it takes for us all to go insane.

wait till i tell you guys i actually do have another shot tonight but just love dayplay too much to leave the game to autosolve

[Psyche]

its up to you to hammer hutao i want you to embrace the future head on or until i have the opportunity to quote one of your stop stalling posts

[Psyche]

I figured it out. There were only 2 scum and this is a social experiment to see how long it takes for us all to go insane.

wait till i tell you guys i actually do have another shot tonight but just love dayplay too much to leave the game to autosolve

(this is a joke i have to say it due to er playerlist elements)

[Psyche]

hutao we can at least admit that this amount of power is

rare

, right?

[Psyche]

aw cmon ari just acknowledged an inconvenient possibility which would imply she's scum that has to be town

[Psyche]

hahahheheaheeaehaha

[Psyche]

fakeclaiming is kind of hard! i mean ive played a lot of mafia and am provably bad at it

[Psyche]

also something about bad fakeclaims makes them good! good fakeclaims are almost less believable. hutao's claim is almost too good for her, for example. if she is scum, it was perfectly suited for her position in the game when she made it.

[Psyche]

it's really uncomfortable thinking that if kay flips town then hutao gets to hold that over everyone forever. whether she's scum or town. it's her glory all alone. so painful

[Psyche]

the internet says kay's role is slightly weaker than a one-shot cop but stronger than an innocent child! i think this trivia will stay with me until i die

[Psyche]

im just going to believe ari/pc/rn that both of you being PRs is impossible. this gives me plausible deniability if kay flips town. in turn they can say that townlocking hutao was a mistake. megamind rules. if it's everyone's fault it's no one's fault.

[Psyche]

i am near the 5th stage of pre-grief

[Psyche]

ok ari what do you think is hutao a true believer or a half-hearted liar

[Psyche]

so sad. so tragic. we remain at an impasse. unless you're okay continuing the 1v1 tomorrow?

[Psyche]

oh right and i am too because of our deal

[Psyche]

i think this discussion is town vs town and im tired of pretending it might not be

[Psyche]

every time kay posts I just think wow she's so townie its amazing

me every time any of you Very Cool unconfirmed slots posts

[Psyche]

so today ends on the slot that forgets to check into the thread for a few hours

[Psyche]

VOTE: kayjayqueue

[Psyche]

AGH just admit you're scum kay admit it

[Psyche]

"But I'm not scum psyche. I'm actually the most town. I don't know what I can tell you to convince you to change your mind but it's the truth." AGH

[Psyche]

I CAN BEAR THIS. I CAN STAY STRONG.

[Psyche]

the light...
it's too bright

UNVOTE:

[Psyche]

this is no laughing matter. this is serious. this is mafia

[Psyche]

clout you are now a double voter. i have programmed a bot (but not really) to automatically reply to any vote you make with the same vote. use this power wisely.

[Psyche]

i think we have to retrace our steps. are we absolutely sure it can't be rn

[Psyche]

ok no im sorry i cant take astrology stop the record

VOTE: kayjayqueue

[Psyche]

im giving up on gutread. from now on if you're nice to me it's wasted kindness

[Psyche]

at least with ari i knew where i stood :*)

[Psyche]

Everyone was saying oh the scum team is coaching, feeding info - I fucking wish :cry: :cry: :lol:

hahaaa

[Psyche]

most interesting thing about this game for me was the way the possibility of being wrong absolutely terrified and hobbled us through most of the game. entirety of D2 and D3 was a funeral for slots everyone scumread

[Psyche]

most interesting thing about this game for me was the way the possibility of being wrong absolutely terrified and hobbled us through most of the game. entirety of D2 and D3 was a funeral for slots everyone scumread

and also this was like 99% my fault. pls dont ever send me a vig role pm again

[Psyche]

i dont even think its a good post

in so much pain realizing that every thought behind this post was completely true, incisive, and topical

[Psyche]

you were so powerful you almost made town abandon reason itself. we collectively agreed for a while to just hand you the win and hope it works out. such raw charisma. so apt that i played this game while binging berserk

[Psyche]

the gunsmith/doctor/vig dynamic was kind of cool though

[Psyche]

Psyche you're not allowed to read the dead thread

fine! then i wont!

[Psyche]

ill be honest drew. i felt betrayed