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VOTE: Snow2697

Oh
Okay

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I’m not mad at it. Too bad I don’t vote (/sarcasm)

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VOTE: Snow2697

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By the way, after all I’ve said about N_M, if he flips scum, I’m going to need a shot or two.

I’ll join, just for moral support, obviously.

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Maybe this game is exploiting my one weakness: tendency to townread crazies.

(Not in a negative way though, but in a fun way)

I’m honored

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VOTE: N_M

Let’s just pick up where we left off in a couple days. I don’t think it should be Drew right now and I don’t think Snow is going to get the support (yet, but I’m not off him as scum)

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I didn’t know I was supposed to do that…it just felt we were going in circles and N_M was mucking it up. If it wasn’t him tonight and he stayed alive, he’d cause chaos again and it would hinder us actually solving the game. Either he’s scum or detrimental to town. Either way, I think we can get to a better place/discussion with info from a night phase and a trolly player gone.

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I was a Vanilla Cop, won't be town's biggest power but still a pointless elim based on playstyle differences and personal dislike.

Solon who is literally refusing to play the game for no valid reason would have been a valid policy lynch but he plays conventionally so he's being let off with it

KayJayQueue is scum, take that to the bank, he's used everyone letting him off with his "uWU silly newbie me" posting because "Not_Mafia mean silly cow man" as an excuse to quickhammer scot free

KayJayQueue + Doctor Drew scum team, quote me now, thank me later

Maybe take the game as seriously as everyone else and you wouldn’t get yeeted day 1. Self-voting, trolling, barely participating…blame me all you want but you did this to yourself.

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Either way we now have a cop double claim so that’s fun.

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But yeah that hammer sucked hard

I’m sorry, I didn’t know I was supposed to ask him to claim his role before hammer. He seemed so intent on hammering anyone else besides him that I doubt we’d have gotten claims if snow or Drew were at E-1 and he could be the hammer. He can say all he wants that he wouldn’t have done it but what evidence from this game do I have that he’s not just a troll? I’ve never played with him before, I don’t know if this is normal, but this is my opinion formed from the gameplay in THIS game.


And I still have a scum read in snow for now, I’ll reassess when day 2 starts since I know I won’t get killed if N_M flips town. If N_M is scum, and I die for some reason, I still want snow looked into as my last will.

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Malachi, GIF
Jack
Solon, Drew
Fancy
Snow

My current thoughts.

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Each day we stray further from mith’s path

Brb, gonna turn some water into wine

Dibs

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Either play the game, or don't sign up to play.

For the love of god, this x1000.

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I think Malachai is town. But I also think this conversation is excessive. I will say I don’t think Drew was being malicious, as someone who was present at the time. More than half this town has been being snarky to each other, but I didn’t think anyone was taking it personally.

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I think Malachai is town. But I also think this conversation is excessive. I will say I don’t think Drew was being malicious, as someone who was present at the time. More than half this town has been being snarky to each other, but I didn’t think anyone was taking it personally.

You are probably right about Malachi being town

I ate something and am less angry lol

Works every time!

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Either play the game, or don't sign up to play.

The irony

If you’re actually cop (not just town, but cop) your gameplay is literally baffling to me.

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Interesting!

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VOTE: Malachai

I don’t think this is the correct direction we should be going.

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Roland-slot was my most confident town read, GIF being second. I will not be on this vote at all today unless given concrete proof that he’s scum.

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I’d like to know if any of Snow’s reads have changed.

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VOTE: Snow

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before we end the day and I get nightkilled for being too town.

Self-fulfilling prophecy, RIP. You were too town for this game GIF!

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before we end the day and I get nightkilled for being too town.

Self-fulfilling prophecy, RIP. You were too town for this game GIF!

So, do you think that I killed a "too town" player who called me "lock town" and stayed here with others? Like you who ask me a question and then vote me before I can even have a word?

Need to make a break until evening.

I voted you because your tentative analysis was that you still thought it could be me which I find a bit crazy. If this game is 2v7, I just hammered the first scum. I had no reason to do that if it’s my partner. I could’ve put my vote on Drew since he’d be gaining even more traction and he’d be at E-1 with my vote. Anyone that is still seriously thinks I’m scum…must think I’m the cockiness player ever to think I can 1v6 this game, be stubborn about wanting to be right about their day 1 reads, or is scum and still thinks I’m a viable push. Also you’re saying it wouldn’t make sense to kill the “too town” player that “locktowned” you when he did the exact same thing to me…a bit contradictory.

I find it funny that you want to townread the other player that has been keeping a vote on you most of day 1 but the person who took their vote off of you to HAMMER SCUM you still need to “think about”….just doesn’t make much sense to me. If you were a little more consistent, maybe I would just chalk it up to you having bad reads but they’re not just bad, they’re inconsistent. So yeah, I’m keeping my vote here currently.

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There is paranoia around Jackson and Kay though

Care to elaborate?

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V/LA until Monday

If at any point you could pop in and just give your current read on who you think is scum that would be awesome.

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I don’t know how serious the first claim was, but we now have two town role claims. What do we all think about that?

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I don’t know how serious the first claim was, but we now have two town role claims. What do we all think about that?

What was the other claim? Did I miss that?

There was a claim on page 1. Like I said, we don’t know how serious the claim is but it’s still a claim and wasn’t outright refuted by the slot at any other point in the game.

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I voted you because your tentative analysis was that you still thought it could be me which I find a bit crazy. If this game is 2v7, I just hammered the first scum. I had no reason to do that if it’s my partner. I could’ve put my vote on Drew since he’d be gaining even more traction and he’d be at E-1 with my vote. Anyone that is still seriously thinks I’m scum…must think I’m the cockiness player ever to think I can 1v6 this game, be stubborn about wanting to be right about their day 1 reads, or is scum and still thinks I’m a viable push. Also you’re saying it wouldn’t make sense to kill the “too town” player that “locktowned” you when he did the exact same thing to me…a bit contradictory.

I find it funny that you want to townread the other player that has been keeping a vote on you most of day 1 but the person who took their vote off of you to HAMMER SCUM you still need to “think about”….just doesn’t make much sense to me. If you were a little more consistent, maybe I would just chalk it up to you having bad reads but they’re not just bad, they’re inconsistent. So yeah, I’m keeping my vote here currently.

I have explained my position on you in point 5 of my 1468. You have not responded to it.

I didn’t think I needed to respond to it as it wasn’t a question. You’re asking was there a chance Drew gets voted out? As I said earlier if I joined that vote it would’ve been E-1 and if I was scum why would I hammer NM instead of out both Drew and NM at e-1 to potentially save NM if he’s my teammate. It makes no sense here to think I’m scum.

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Might depend on number of scums. If 2, could be Not Mafia or Kay. If 3, may be we should not lose time and consider Roland. I have thought initially there can be 2 scums at most, but there was an opinion somewhere in the thread that 3 can be an option.

In what world would I be mafia with N_M? I’ve had a vote on him almost the entire time, along with his self vote. He’s just as close to elimination as you are and you think a scum team would both risk that? (I don’t know how N_M plays so I can’t really speak on the self vote, though I think in general, they’re dumb) I get there’s “distancing” but this would be really stupid on my part if I were bad.

I have not said that you are fellow scums with N_M.

So going off your read here, if NM is scum, then I shouldn’t really be considered anymore yet you’re still sus for some reason. If it was NM or Kay not NM AND Kay, you have your or. It was NM and not me. Also, I don’t know why you’d ever think there were 3 scum in a micro of 9 players but I believe there is only one left.

Let’s go back to when you said this:

If NM is scum, then DD-Jackson are logical D2 scrutiny targets for me. If NM is town, I would look at Kay-DD-Jackson again.

So I’m curious why you are completely off Jackson yet still on me?

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Kay - I have explained my position on you above.
The reason why I townread Jackson from VC is that I think that he committed his vote to NM - something he would not have done as scum, since he would have reserved possibility to vote me or another town if there is opportunity.

If I’m scum, how do you explain me not even trying to put Drew at E-1 and see if anyone bites? Why immediately go to hammer scum if it’s my partner? Make that make sense. I have no loyalty to Drew if NM and I are scum together, why wouldn’t I try to get a mislim? What do I gain from going straight to hammer instead of seeing in anyone would hammer Drew since he was getting enough heat? You are trying to force me into a scum role that makes no sense with what happened. I suggest you spend the next few days looking into someone else because I am a waste of your time. It should be clear by now that I am town.

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I also have to say, and I might be the wrong analysis of votes, but when NM was at E-1 and Drew was at E-2, they were voting for each other with Fancy and I as 2 votes on snow. Why point at each other when they could both vote snow, put him at E-1 and avoid a hammer for NM? I’m finding it difficult to see why Drew wouldn’t try to help NM more there unless he thought he was the only other option (though I think Snow was viable)

It’s a shaky read but I’d rather put it out there than ignore it.

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VOTE: N_M

Let’s just pick up where we left off in a couple days. I don’t think it should be Drew right now and I don’t think Snow is going to get the support (yet, but I’m not off him as scum)

Here is what I said when I hammered. I clearly said I don’t think it should be Drew which should imply I thought he could get enough votes to be eliminated. I voted NM because my read on him all of day 1 was scum and my other scum read was not getting support. I was worried for a Drew vote and felt way better about hammering NM and turns out…I was right (at least about NM so far)

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Snow: I feel like you’re much more attached to this theory that I’m scum because I’ve been scum reading you for quite awhile. I think you should be trying to make a better case for yourself rather than looking at me for things that can clearly be explained. Instead of being upset that I’m pointing my finger at you and in turn pointing one back at me, help me understand why I’m wrong about you being scum.

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You’re just being stubborn now.

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Can anyone giving me a good reason to townread Snow?

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I would range her between sus and locked town on my scale.

That’s pretty much the entire scale

But hey, if you’ll get off by back, I’ll take it lol

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I don't think Kay was able to put Drew at E-1 where, as you say, she called me and NM scums. This would have put her under Drew's attack,

which a player of her style should avoid.

The bolded / italicized portion. Explain what you mean by that, please?

Sounds like he thinks I’m so prone to avoiding conflict as my playstyle that even if I were scum, he thinks I’d rather eliminate my only teammate rather than get ire from Drew for putting him at E-1.

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I don't think Kay was able to put Drew at E-1 where, as you say, she called me and NM scums. This would have put her under Drew's attack,

which a player of her style should avoid.

The bolded / italicized portion. Explain what you mean by that, please?

Sounds like he thinks I’m so prone to avoiding conflict as my playstyle that even if I were scum, he thinks I’d rather eliminate my only teammate rather than get ire from Drew for putting him at E-1.

Well, are you?

I mean I really don't think you are, but I'll let you answer that one yourself.

I definitely do avoid conflict and we can psychoanalyze me later, but if it came to a little conflict or actively losing myself the game, I think I’d choose conflict lol

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It’ll be really funny if all the shit I got for having so many town reads and reading all these “fights” as town vs town was actually spot on and my avoiding conflict was just me being right about who was town. We’ll keep that as “to be determined”.

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If you're going to ride my ass no matter what I do

Dang, I always miss all the fun.

Are big arguments fun when it's two people you town read? Frustrating for me. It's fun if you're scum - Kay continues to give me bad vibes.

Oh I didn’t even see this response. I think you misinterpreted my comment there. It was an immature joke about “if you’re going to ride my ass”, and I joked that I missed the fun, the fun being ass riding, not the context of the post in question. I was just trying to lighten the mood, as usual. Sorry that none of my jokes land, will I stop trying? No, not at all.

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If you're going to ride my ass no matter what I do

Dang, I always miss all the fun.

Are big arguments fun when it's two people you town read? Frustrating for me. It's fun if you're scum - Kay continues to give me bad vibes.

Oh I didn’t even see this response. I think you misinterpreted my comment there. It was an immature joke about “if you’re going to ride my ass”, and I joked that I missed the fun, the fun being ass riding, not the context of the post in question. I was just trying to lighten the mood, as usual. Sorry that none of my jokes land, will I stop trying? No, not at all.

I enjoyed the joke

And they wonder why I didn’t want to vote you?! You’re my only fan!

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Oh no, Kay discovered Drew's onlyfans account....

Or was it vice versa

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@Kay. in general my reasons for scum reading you haven't changed - no paranoia, no real scum reads or even things that ping you as scummy throughout the game, you've mostly just town reading everyone and your suspicions are based on process of elimination. Finally you never vote, and seem to enjoy large arguments even when you perceive them as town v town.

It's not a strong read but it's niggling me.

This was the explanation for me

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No longer want Snow, I dont think people are feeling Fancy rn

Are you still feeling Fancy? And I mean that in the literal sense, not in the "maybe I'll wear a suit" sense, just to be clear.

I’m not, I think he looks the best regarding VCA

I actually don't follow why you think an analysis of votes is so favorable for FancyPants. He voted for Random Nurse, IE before he was even replaced by Snow, and didn't cast another vote after that. Why does a dearth of votes look favorable, especially so favorable to change your read on him?

He had his vote parked almost the entire time NM was under any form of heat. He didn’t move it, he didn’t commit to a bus and he didn’t actively try to protect NM. There’s no agenda behind his votes.

Did he need to actively do something to protect NM when his vote was on someone else? If anything, he jumped on a vote where originally he was 3rd on the bus. He didn’t remove his vote once Snow replaced in to give him the benefit of catching up like everyone else did. What if he was just waiting for either others to jump on Snow or for Drew to be E-1 to hammer him and save NM but never got the chance because I hammered NM instead? I think you’re giving him too much credit for doing nothing. Which I find funny since part of his reasoning for sussing me was that I wasn’t voting, when in fact I was. Wouldn’t he have to be sus for that too if it were a thing?

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he would have jumped on wagon to try and taste some of that sweet sweet credibility.

*confused Will Poulter meme* You guys are getting credibility?

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TL;DR looking behind the motivation they would have had as town or as scum. This feels exponentially more likely to come from a Town perspective.

So what about if I looked into his history and in a scum game (one of only two I found in his last 5 years of mafia games), he told his partners he’d never bus or vote for them?

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TL;DR looking behind the motivation they would have had as town or as scum. This feels exponentially more likely to come from a Town perspective.

So what about if I looked into his history and in a scum game (one of only two I found in his last 5 years of mafia games), he told his partners he’d never bus or vote for them?

Did you find that he said this? It’s not as simple as whether or not a person is more inclined to bus or not but the fact he did nothing about it. Didn’t react one way or the other.

If you’re a wolf and your PR is being pushed. Do you do absolutely nothing? Let the game run it’s course almost completely untouched by your hands?

My assumption here is that scum would, even to a small degree, push the world that they want. What would scum!fancy want here by doing nothing and letting whatever wagon form, knowing his PR was constantly at the top.

“Here's some personal advice for playing as the baddies:
- DON'T ever make a post about power roles, don't speculate about power roles in the game thread at all.
- DON'T claim a power role UNLESS you are quite literally about to get executed i.e. someone is threatening to hammer you imminently, even then avoid claiming your role until the very last second, you'd be surprised how easily a wagon on you will get derailed.
- DO let your "suspicions" be known, you don't have to be super active if you don't want to but you should always say your suspects and WHY they are your suspects, it doesn't matter if your logic isn't great, just have some sort of justification for voting. Many people vote for bad reasons, just as long as it LOOKS like you are actually hunting for scum.

As for how I will play - I'll pretty much never bus you (vote for you, or solicit others to vote for you) I don't think it's good strategy

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Removed a banned word.

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Maybe because now you’re townreading him for this play lol seems like it worked out for him especially if he felt NM was a liability. (not out of the realm of possibility)

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Jackson should just hammer and we can reconvene when Solon is back and Fancy can be present if Snow turns out to be town. If he’s scum, we win yay gg!

Unless anyone else has any info that would help us with this vote, then please share.

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im a townie

lets talk

You are my top town lock. Let’s go lol

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I thought my gut was okay too…

I townread everyone!!! (Correctly!)

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Thank you Thomith!

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Oh wtf, Malachai was Roland??

Ain't that some bullshit, now I am bit more upset about a few things

Wait what?

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Oh wtf, Malachai was Roland??

Ain't that some bullshit, now I am bit more upset about a few things

l
Wait what?

Look at the Ban thread

…I’m so confused why you’d replace…yourself? lol

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Also what a way to make my 10,000th post lol

What a milestone post