726 - Mind Screw Gaiden, Game Over

[forbiddanlight]

Vote Tarhalindur

Oh wait, he's not modding

Unvote, Vote Natirasha

Obv best play.

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I think that is a trap.

Probably, but I'm assuming that Nat is not a Jester bomb. And if he is, at least I wasn't that late on the wagon .

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The flesh metal mechanic from his Serum and Steel game? Wonderful. Actually, that could be wonderful assuming that scum don't get targetted.

The third is that the Mod has implicitly threatened unspecified bad things - at least to me and quite possibly to other players - if the Mod is lynched.

Threats are threats. I'm willing to risk it.

Oh, and /confirm would not have been a bad idea.

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In few words, how does Serum and Steel work?

I didn't play it. So I don't remember the specifics. But I believe it involved being metal makes you unkillable with some negative effect, whereas being flesh was normal? I dunno, ask Nat, if he's willing to tell. Or read the game.

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Oops

FoS Natirasha

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So, everyone WANTS to trip possible name claim punisher roles? This does sound like a great idea, yanno. Let it be known I am rather opposed.

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Why is Battle Mage still in the vote counts? Copy/paste for the lose? :p

Hey, voting BM should ALWAYS be an option.

Wait, how exactly do you know that there are safeclaims? That looks like one hell of a slip to me...

Seriously? No, seriously tar? You should know better. I'm pretty sure Nat was trying to stay faithful to your modding practice.

4) I was given information about Kairyuu (read: Kairyuu is MOD-CONFIRMED non-town), Kairyuu was given information about someone else.
5) Kairyuu is looking for me,I am looking for Kairyuu, Kairyuu is MOD-CONFIRMED non-town (from Half-Life) and looking for me for reasons uncertain.

What did I miss that involves these conclusions?

Well, all of them, but especially stuff that mod confirms non town.

And yes, I got the "someone from Half Life is non town" as well.

I see. So Tar, your information is similar to mine? I suspect you may be who I am lookin for. I will origin claim if you do, but I would request that you go first.

Why is this being planned?

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I didn't get any note from the mod involving anybody from Half-Life.

Which is so incredibly odd I'm almost WIFOMing myself out of finding that suspicious. No, seriously, would Nat make it this easy?

I'd...probably vote hp leaves if I had to vote, but A)I like to lynch Nat and B) I'm really confused and hp is probably going to be piled on anyway.

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Kairyuu: I didn't know you were looking for the G-man, it just seemed like you were looking for one person in particular, for some reason I didn't know.

You uh...did get a note, right?

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So um...yeah...I'm here, it's just there is a lot of speculation going on and I'm bored with it. I really haven't found any good conversation pieces to jump in on :S...and now I see apparently Kairyuu is suspected. I agree with his asking of why :S.

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Why not?
And how can you get your lips to look like an S? I can't do it.

It's apparently an emoticon I personally use that no one else does. It's kinda a "that's iffy" look.

Burden of why is on whoever is suspecting him though.

PS: You might want to plan for tomorrow if you insist in killing me, who knows if tomorrow can even exist without the mod...

Nyeh, that'd suck, but I'm sure we are mature enough to manage. You do have a back up mod I assume.

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Oh yeah

Vote to throw Natirasha in the mycosynth pit

(or whatever it was that removes metal)

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Sorry, wrong answer, Nat - I seem to recall explicitly explaining why a player-Mod must by necessity be self-aligned. You're not town, and we're getting rid of you at some point.

There is ONE way a player mod can be aligned with a faction. And that'd be using Patrick and Elmo's boost mafia method. One knows the roles and handles night actions, and is therefore NOT the player, and the other handles vote counts and rulings during the day. That could be a townie (or scum) mod. But it's a moot point, I just wanted to point it out. (Unless I overlooked something?)

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And, by the way, do you guys really want to kill Jesus Christ?

Well, they got away with it back in around 33 AD...

(And this statement was going to be a lot more offensive, but I censored it)

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One of my things is claiming SK ASAP. That was my way of doing that.

Yeah, but you still lied . And as the mod, you are supposed to never directly lie to the players, merely misdirect them (if you want to be a likeable bastard) So, die self aligned die?

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It's an Honors thesis; 'doesn't really matter what about so long as I put in 150 hours of work between now and the second week of May. Two of my ideas have already crashed and burned, and I need to come up with something else quick. I don't think anything in the realm of Mafia would count, alas.

You could write a thesis on the flavor of Touhou. Hell, I know a teacher that got away with writing a thesis on the Hawaiian shirt.

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An essay on Japanese culture as expressed through the Touhou phenomenon doesn't sound like a horrible idea, though the sheer amount of weeabooism involved (not to mention the probably-unavoidable segment on Les Yay) may wound my soul.

There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with the unavoidable segment on Les Yay .

And plus, you are on the internet. You don't have a soul .

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The Honors director seems progressive enough, but I don't think she's that liberal. I guess I'd have to choose my context carefully.

Nyeh, well, if you really want to test some limits, either go with 4chan's obsession with traps or a thesis on how Kannazuki No Miko illustrates the dangers of forbidden love.

I wrote a thesis comparing Sumo wrestlers with high school teachers.

That is great .

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Nyeh, well, if you really want to test some limits, either go with 4chan's obsession with traps or a thesis on how Kannazuki No Miko illustrates the dangers of forbidden love.

Pass. You lost me after "4chan", as I really don't ever want to go there.

Nyeh, I generally don't enjoy it either. I have friends who constantly link me though, so I have a passing familiarity.

The Kannazuki No Miko idea has nothing to do with it though . That one is just fun .

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Huh, I forgot that even if the mycosynth pit existed, we can't lynch and pit Nati in the same day. Being Jesus Christ, supposedly, I don't believe he'd be metal, so I'm willing to outright lynch him.

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I believe the following quote is appropriate:

And you don't seem to understand
A shame you seemed an honest man
And all the fears you hold so dear
Will turn to whisper in your ear
And you know what they say might hurt you
And you know that it means so much
And you don't even feel a thing

I am falling
I am fading
I have lost it all

And you don't seem the lying kind
A shame that I can read your mind
And all the things that I read there
Candle lit smile that we both share
And you know I don't mean to hurt you
But you know that it means so much
And you don't even feel a thing

I am falling
I am fading
I am drowning, help me to breathe
I am hurting
I have lost it all
I am losing, help me to breathe

Now, all I need is a smilie of the infamous three monkeys (see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil).

Back to the game in a bit.

Love that song SO MUCH!

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"So, this is what it feels like to be falling."
"Oh, Lord Illpallazo, you decided to join me."
"Well, this is the escape route."

Much love for Nat quoting Excel Saga!

(Though it's amusing that my avatar is from Puni Puni Poemy )

Actually, I finished watching Excel Saga yesterday. It was good.

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Also, forbiddanlight, what do you think of the debate between myself and Kairyuu, and between Vi and tajo? (Just a general impression is sufficient -- after traitor mafia, I'm interested in your take on things =p.)

Wait, there's a debate? Huh, I think this game must be incredibly slipping from me since I entirely didn't notice this...and I need a nap. I'll comment on it later tonight or tomorrow after reading it.

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Active lurking, etc. Look through her last 13 posts (out of 22) if you need an explanation.

Nyeh, I'd rather lynch Nat first. I'm having a lot of trouble getting into this game for some reason :S.

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forbiddanlight: who else would you go for today, if not Nat?

Might be fun to OMGUS Vi, but I doubt that'd lead anywhere, nor is he likely scum (or likely town either).

Tar has me slightly on edge, but I don't know why.

I'm...essentially at a loss.

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Received prod. Not buying f-light's apathy and dazed confusion.

Because I've never been apathetic and uncaring town before. No, not at all.

I think you know what I'm talking about. I might reread sometime. My upstairs computer is junk right now, so I'm stuck with a REALLLLY slow downstairs PC and this shitty laptop I'm using now. I'm probably going to end up posting less than usual as a result.

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Because I've never been apathetic and uncaring town before. No, not at all.

Actually, both times you've waffled or expressed obvdisinterest (that I recall), you were a Mafier.

I mean, I'm apathetic and uncaring about this game too ( *shot* ), but at least I'm participating to an extent that can be called "scumhunting". (And no, I'm not just talking about this move against you)

Nope. The second time I was a townie that got modkilled since a replacement couldn't be found. Unless you are thinking of two other times?

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Um... Bamboo Forest and Time Abuse are the ones I'm thinking of.

Though Time Abuse was more a case of selective waffling.

That was me being way too retarded. Actually, I was thinking about Western Touhou Community, I believe. There was another uncaring/apathetic town here as well, but I'm pretty sure it's still ongoing. Could be wrong though.

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@FL:

I don't like all your justification for lurking. I don't care how many times you've done it before, just don't do it now. There is no good reason or justification for it.

That said, I can't really call you scummy for it, since it has been pretty common overall in this thread recently. However, I'd suggest you pick up the pace.

At least I'm honest. Anyway, it'll be easier to pick up the pace when my good computer is fixed.

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Can I step in with what I think a role based off Nat from Real Life would be? It would be a Serial Killer, almost certainly.

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Would it? I'm not so sure...

Someone who claims SK in the first post of every game would NOT pass on an opportunity to actually be one whether it's him himself or a role in his game.

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f-light, no content, setup speculation only, FINAL DESTINATION, etc.

Yeah, usually tends to be this way in MS gamess for the first pages/day. When I get my good compy back and can do cool stuff like more than one process at once I'll try to poke more life into my game here. (Course, not sure when I'll be able to fix it. Having OS troubles and Ubuntu is being real annoying)

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Sorry I still haven't provided much. The computer I normally use and keep notes on has been lunched for the past week and I'm STILL trying to get it fixed since apparently all the iso burning software in the world and/or actual cd rom drives themselves are utter shit.

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Did you mean Kinetic or forbiddanlight? Cause Kinetic is a guy, and I can definitely see me fitting as "she doesn't seem as excited about this game as MS3"

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Umu...that's...interesting.

What the hell is a beloved mafia godfather?

Or a Robo-Supremicist?

At least the Schizo townie is somewhat explained.

Also, even with 4 dead we have nine alive since Nat included himself.

Tar was indeed right...but can he please go into more detail about what his role said about Nat?

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Well, thanks for confirming that one Vi.

I'm one of the four. If my projections are correct, you are one of the three, though I could be wrong. I'd have to check your interactions with Kinetic to guess properly.

Vote Vi

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Ok, yanno what? I just read my quicktopic and Nat just pissed me off. I'm sorry to my unnamed scumbuddy, but I can't stand this anymore.

I'm scum. Good job. Lynch me. please. I also am excluding myself from any future Nat-mod games.

Further, I guarantee that Vi is one of the other 3 (likely another scum faction), since he picked up the exact same thing I did. I have no idea on Tar, or really anyone else.

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Were you referring to me here?

Hahaha, no, it's just a cute expression of uncertainty.

For all these reasons, I believe that Tarhalindur may likely be G-man himself. For that reason...

Given the rest of your evidence I'm leaning towards agreement. I'd rather vote some scum before I die

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What happened?

So, we had a kill on an unnamed individual. And Natirasha very explicitly told us he was using his perfect knowledge of the game to know our target and protect the kill.

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I'm interested in hearing what f-light has to say about me.

4-3-2

You seemed to pick up quite quickly that the town group wasn't the three (which is entirely possible). You also were the first to attempt to use the numbers to implicate me. I'm guessing scum based off that, and your tunnel vision on me which seems uncharacteristic of you.

And yes, you called it. But, don't think it will be so easy in other games I happen to be scum in. This one just completely failed to interest me. You'll find I wasn't lying about other games where I've been uninterested as town.

On a serious note, I've had all game to contemplate how this game is less mind screw and more bastard mod, and I agree with you about this being the last Nati game I play.

I like bastard mod games. Natirasha crossed even that line.

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Um, word to your kitten. I've only ever seen it as Town-Scum-Other.

Meaning...it's not that great a tell?

Nyeh, ah well, this game really was bad for me anyway.

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So do I - thanks for fucking me over in a certain ongoing game, btw. (Why no, I couldn't possibly be bitter and sarcastic here. What are you talking about?)

Was that to me or Vi?

About my information that lynching the mod was a bad thing... uh, a Doc with perfect knowledge of kills is utterly, utterly broken. This was, apparently, only one of Natirasha's abilities. Yes, I'd say a Nat lynch was a bad thing.

Oh, I rather liked it. Apparently he was a one shot doc though.

- Given the format and the fact that it was provided where a vote count should have been, I'm all-but-certain that the "4-2-3" is an ability I usually refer to as the Count of Monte Cristo ability (after its name in Mind Screw 1). It has ALWAYS been a Dreams of Reality action. This means we either have 4 town, 2 Mafia, and 3 Neutrals OR we have 4 town, 2 Mafia 1, and 3 Mafia 2. I'm not sure which, yet.

I'm not sure if I want to give you anymore information, but I'll give you a hint. Given what

I

know, it's like Mafia 1 and Mafia 2.

Also, I think you know that as well since you basically did a non defense of the GMan allegations.

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IT seems unfair to end a game you worked hard on, even if it appears at first glance to be unfair. I screwed up and reacted to my emotional response too early.

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This is mind-screw which sometimes implies bastard mod which often implies that some crazy and unfair shit will go down. Live with it or don't sign up for games with a high chance of bastard modding.

Yeah, except there is a difference between bastard moddery and just plain bullshit. I'd like it if you'd read what Tar had to say about it. Now, if the game's set up shows that I was wrong, well, I'll apologize. But until then, I don't regret my actions.

FURTHER, you have been in at least one game I know of with me and didn't complain. Do you just choose to selectively recall games? I don't like it when someone can't realize a game is just a game, and after the game we all kiss and make up. I didn't "ruin" that game any more than I "ruined" this one. Yes, I got a little emotional. It happens to everyone. Live with it.

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Didn't realize that was a hammer. Oh well.

Good going. Now do it again tomorrow when it'll work.

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'Claiming Mafia Governor now?~

Nope. Read Kinetic's rolename. And one of Nat's posts for that matter.

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That was the first game I played with you where you blew up. I think we've been in either 3 or 4 games together and you have gotten "a little emotional" twice now for a roughly 50% blow up rate while everyone else I've played with more than once has a 0% blow up rate.. makes me wonder how you define "everyone". Regardless, I obviously won't avoid a game because you're in it, but since the first game wasn't an isolated incident, I figured I'd get emotional right back at you. I'm sure you understand.

Discuss this with me postgame. Sometimes things aren't as they seem.

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Hi...why am I alive in this travesty again?

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What does Travesty mean? Also are we up for Tar/MM lynch?

A horrible, horrible thing that offends gods.

And why are we up for that?

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Tarh was scummy and we are assuming that MM has the supersaint ability again.

Nyeh, I'll look at it when I'm not super tired from running and playing marathon games.

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Actually, I didn't revive as mafia. Which is another reason this game is a travesty.

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Oh good. You all can whack a mole me and see I'm telling the truth.

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But I want to investigate Tar.

Nyeh, do what you will then. I honestly don't care.

Oh, you know another problem with alignment switching revivals? I could totally sell out my previous partner and still technically win. I'm sure everyone would enjoy that.

The good news for my previous partner is I'm not a bitch. But I have another reason to despise this game now. As I said, it's a travesty.

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Do you realize how unethical that would be? Fine, let's do this the mafia way.

Everyone who is a townie should vote to determine whether I reveal my previous partner's name!

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I've never heard of this whack-a-mole mechanic being used, but perhaps we should be voting forbiddanlight so we can verify her alignment. Seems like a guaranteed way to find scum today.

As I said, feel freely.

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Ok, well, I essentially have a majority to claim.

M-M, please replace me

This town took part in deplorable behavior. You seriously want me to screw someone who has no right being screwed because the mechanics of this game are broken? You all are horrible people. Please, be ashamed of yourself.

I don't care what my replacement does, but I'm sick of this game, and was happy when I was lynched the first time. I didn't WANT to be brought back into the game, and I'm irritated that I was.

Oh, and since you all seem to want it so much,

Vote Tar

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I could, but you all suck. Die in a fire

Vote Machievellian Mafia

Don't revive me again. EVER. I will kill you. Somehow. seeing as how I'm about to prove I'm not scum

If I live through this, make sure I'm replaced.

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I shouldn't have quit. Fine. But this game was still bullshit. And I SURE as hell didn't want to come back, and you all pissed me off for actually expecting me to claim my buddies REGARDLESS of my alignment.

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I didn't expect you to claim your buddies I was pointing out the glitch in the game.

Ah. Which wasn't actually there technically. As I'd die allowing the town to win with the info.

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That's broken. It even SAYS on

another

player...

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Yes, but I checked with Nat as soon as I got the role and he said that I can build one on myself.

SO broken. Ah well, it happens.

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Thats another thing. FL was targeting VEERUS when she died, yet Vi died instead. -.-

Oh yah! that. Such shit.