Jahudo
Silver Phoenix
zachattack
Jebus
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pacman
ortolan
ORLYortolan wrote:well, in this case it's Jebus' uncharacteristic self-righteousness in comparison ti my knowledge of his meta.
Describe Jebus' meta.ortolan wrote:yes...
I know that's what you're SAYING, but you're still not explaining how you can tell 'genuine townie' from 'too townie,' in a way that I can use the rule in future games.mask man wrote:How do you tell the difference DGB?
When a response is TOO town,
how town is too town? When the playerclearlyis making an effort to seem town, which jebus was doing.
He wasn't just having a normal townie reaction, he was making that statement for the sole purpose of looking town(which a towns member wouldn't do) and if he is scum, to redirect attention at the God claimer(which wasn't really needed because obv attention will be shifted like that, as it was, because we got scum reactions and later looked back at it.). If he toned the "WTF DUN U CLAIM GAWDZ0R" down to a "dude, wtf?" or something, it wouldn't be like this.
DrippingGoofball wrote:How do you distinguish a genuine townie response from a cliché townie response?ortolan wrote:No, I think he is not really town because he is giving a cliched in the extreme "townie" response
How do you distinguish a cliché townie response from an extreme cliché townie response?
How do you distinguish an extreme cliché response made by a townie, from one made by a scumbag?
Question: Why does this matter? Why are we looking at people acting "too town" and not scummy? Focus people.mask man wrote:How do you tell the difference DGB?
When a response is TOO town,
how town is too town? When the player clearly is making an effort to seem town, which jebus was doing.
He wasn't just having a normal townie reaction, he was making that statement for the sole purpose of looking town(which a towns member wouldn't do) and if he is scum, to redirect attention at the God claimer(which wasn't really needed because obv attention will be shifted like that, as it was, because we got scum reactions and later looked back at it.). If he toned the "WTF DUN U CLAIM GAWDZ0R" down to a "dude, wtf?" or something, it wouldn't be like this.
Prob cult recruit IMO.ortolan wrote: Obvscum of what variety? We only want to lynch one out of the seven scum.
Hrm.....need to look at myko's posts then.BM wrote:mykonian stop digging your grave and trying to derail the town.
In response, I only have to say that you did.BloodMoney wrote:I never withdrew my attack on zach.His initial laziness is still bugging me, because a vote like that might, in better places, be interpreted as opportunistic. And if a connection is implicated from one side why are you implying that I should only suspect one half of the implied pair?
Wait, wait, I'm cult leader, right? Then it makes sense to deflect off God, right? (/endsarcasm) WIFOM arguments are not really arguments, but are "what if..." games that don't help the finding of Godscum.BloodMoney wrote: Deflecting off Zakeri. Zakeri is a possible God; hell, she's the top nominee for that.
DrippingGoofball wrote:I know that's what you're SAYING, but you're still not explaining how you can tell 'genuine townie' from 'too townie,' in a way that I can use the rule in future games.mask man wrote:How do you tell the difference DGB?
When a response is TOO town,
how town is too town? When the playerclearlyis making an effort to seem town, which jebus was doing.
He wasn't just having a normal townie reaction, he was making that statement for the sole purpose of looking town(which a towns member wouldn't do) and if he is scum, to redirect attention at the God claimer(which wasn't really needed because obv attention will be shifted like that, as it was, because we got scum reactions and later looked back at it.). If he toned the "WTF DUN U CLAIM GAWDZ0R" down to a "dude, wtf?" or something, it wouldn't be like this.
Please.
Give us a formula to distinguish 'genuine townie' from 'too townie'
Are you suggesting that if Jebus would have said 'dude wtf' that would have been OK? So what is it? A genuine townie should have used more acronyms? More vernacular? Fewer words? Sounded dumber? Using complete words is too townie and makes you scum?
/shakes headmask man wrote:Town: A simple statement that is not over exaggerated(jebus doesn't have this one, for the most part.). When it is a reaction, it should NOT be looking like an attempt simply to seem like a townie.DrippingGoofball wrote:I know that's what you're SAYING, but you're still not explaining how you can tell 'genuine townie' from 'too townie,' in a way that I can use the rule in future games.mask man wrote:How do you tell the difference DGB?
When a response is TOO town,
how town is too town? When the playerclearlyis making an effort to seem town, which jebus was doing.
He wasn't just having a normal townie reaction, he was making that statement for the sole purpose of looking town(which a towns member wouldn't do) and if he is scum, to redirect attention at the God claimer(which wasn't really needed because obv attention will be shifted like that, as it was, because we got scum reactions and later looked back at it.). If he toned the "WTF DUN U CLAIM GAWDZ0R" down to a "dude, wtf?" or something, it wouldn't be like this.
Please.
Give us a formula to distinguish 'genuine townie' from 'too townie'
Are you suggesting that if Jebus would have said 'dude wtf' that would have been OK? So what is it? A genuine townie should have used more acronyms? More vernacular? Fewer words? Sounded dumber? Using complete words is too townie and makes you scum?
Scum: In the statement, there is a very clear and underlined meaning other then itself, and that is to look like a towns person. Townies(for the most part; newbs can change this around) don't need to purposely look town, and do not need even make an effort other then playing to seem town. Unlike jebus who was TRYING to look town with that post,
Speaking of, this, along with the old stuff...
Vote: Jebus
Huh?mask man wrote: @ SilverPhoenix, please note I was defending Ortolan with a new found power, "Common Logix" and we aren't the only one on jebus for that reason.
Calm down. It's clear that Jebus is being bus'ed. Jebus' statement was perfectly fine and innocuous. However, his buddies want to distance themselves from Jebus by making totally bogus cases. I'm helping them along with my vote.SilverPhoenix wrote:/shakes head
You're going to have to be more specific than that if you don't want me screaming Too Townie at you and how your argument is fallacious. Tell mewhatstatements were persuasive and I'll be willing to play ball, because right now I don't have a problem with Jebus' statements at all (as I stated in my previous post).
SilverPhoenix wrote: Seriously, I don't know what you mean by this. I'm questioning people on theZakeriwagon, not theJebuswagon.
And why is that?Jebus wrote:ort- I'll hold off on this one for right now.
Do you have the time to go into detail about this?Jebus wrote:Frustrated would be correct.
Will say more when I get a good chunk of time.
Pacman needs to talk because if he’s not scum he’s proving that scum can hide under the radar.DrippingGoofball wrote:And pacman continues to lurk. I'm telling you folks. pacman is God. I caught him.
Qwints’s last 3 posts have been vote changes and no explanation of his own although the last quoted ortolan’s reasons. Apart from that he had 1 post where he actually gave sentences but they were theory and speculation. So far he is looking like opportunistic scum but I’d expect this more from a recruit because it doesn’t show the responsibility of being in charge of your own win condition that keeps you from being a one dimensional player.qwints wrote:unvote, vote Jebus
I understand what you are saying about scum wanting to appear townie, but making an effort to be town is only scummy to me if they’re also not playing pro-town. If zwet ends up getting lynched on any day, I think part of the case against him will inevitably be his joking-not-contributing posts. So it is in the interest of the town to not give scum more chances to inflate a zwet case if he’s town. So I still don’t mind his reaction to zwet’s God claim.mask man wrote: how town is too town? When the player clearly is making an effort to seem town, which jebus was doing.
…which wasn't really needed because obv attention will be shifted like that…
…If he toned the "WTF DUN U CLAIM GAWDZ0R" down to a "dude, wtf?" or something, it wouldn't be like this.
One reason for me was in feeling that he didn’t have a tactic when he switched back to random voting but after he did, he said he had a tactic. I’m still waiting to hear more about this tactic because he’s been quiet about it. His recent inactivity is making my vote feel comfortable.SilverPhoenix wrote:So I have to ask the people on the Zakeri wagon: did you have legitimate reasons to vote Zakeri aside from just joining the wagon?
Do you have any reason apart from being distanced to think Jebus is scum?DrippingGoofball wrote:Calm down. It's clear that Jebus is being bus'ed. Jebus' statement was perfectly fine and innocuous. However, his buddies want to distance themselves from Jebus by making totally bogus cases. I'm helping them along with my vote.
I dunno. Would you consider a healthy suspicion of Zakeri being God a legitimate reason? Seriously. The cases have already been made. If you find plotholes, feel free to point them out, but if you're interested in looking at the cases again go dig them up yourself instead of delegating.SP wrote:So I have to ask the people on the Zakeri wagon: did you have legitimate reasons to vote Zakeri aside from just joining the wagon?
QUOTE ME.SP wrote:In response, I only have to say that you did.Bloodmoney wrote:I never withdrew my attack on zach.His initial laziness is still bugging me, because a vote like that might, in better places, be interpreted as opportunistic. And if a connection is implicated from one side why are you implying that I should only suspect one half of the implied pair?
Um yes. Sarcasm or not what you say is correct.SP wrote:Wait, wait, I'm cult leader, right? Then it makes sense to deflect off God, right? (/endsarcasm)
Your point with the sarcasm tags?cult leader role pm wrote:You must protect him, or everything is lost.
Why wouldn't you want to see reactions in this particular game? Don't you want the cult leaders accidentally slipping info on who your God is? Of course, the question is rhetorical, considering you are a cult leader.SP wrote:While throwing around suspicion in normal games makes sense to see reactions, there wasn't only one scum in those games that we are trying to find out of twenty. Why the excessive finger-pointing, BloodMoney?Vote: BloodMoney(purely as pressure and to unvote Jebus for the time-being)
:goodposting:zwetschenwasser wrote:No opportunism here.DrippingGoofball wrote:And I'm seeing, plain as the sun, distancing from Jebus.
unvote, vote: Jebus
Oh? Why was that? To the best of my knowledge ortolan has a voice of his own. Need your recruit/leader alive?mask man wrote:SilverPhoenix, please note I was defending Ortolan
NO. Sometimes it's not enough to play a good game if your buddies give you away.Jahudo wrote:Do you have any reason apart from being distanced to think Jebus is scum?DrippingGoofball wrote:Calm down. It's clear that Jebus is being bus'ed. Jebus' statement was perfectly fine and innocuous. However, his buddies want to distance themselves from Jebus by making totally bogus cases. I'm helping them along with my vote.
You aren't reaction-mining, you are being belligerent. Two very different things. The point is you aren't doing any convincing of your findings, but simply moving on to get angry at others. Which makes me question why you did it in the first place.BloodMoney wrote:Why wouldn't you want to see reactions in this particular game? Don't you want the cult leaders accidentally slipping info on who your God is? Of course, the question is rhetorical, considering you are a cult leader.
An honest mixup turned into a cult leader-recruit relationship? One aptitude of belligerent people is finding conflict where there is none. Another is finding connections where there isn't any, as in the case of me and zach.BloodMoney wrote: Oh? Why was that? To the best of my knowledge ortolan has a voice of his own. Need your recruit/leader alive?
BloodMoney wrote: QUOTE ME.
BloodMoney wrote:Ok, thank you. You could do that next time without me having to cuss at you.
I'm not making a case against you, I am simply defending myself. You made an accusation way back when and I'm doing my best to convince you otherwise of your faulty logic. I never said you were God/Cult/Scum/whatever and I never said I wanted to lynch you. It has nothing to do with guts because I don't think you are God, but a horribly misguided agnostic. And I don't want to lynch agnostics, but to educate them.BloodMoney wrote:Also, you realize this vote makes no sense whatsoever, don't you? Even if you had basis for it (which "excessive fingerpointing" isn't), simply by stating the "pressure vote" nature of it you rob it of any purpose it would otherwise have had; because now I know that you wouldn't have the guts to go through with lynching me.
God wouldn't be bussed, would he.DrippingGoofball wrote:Calm down. It's clear that Jebus is being bus'ed. Jebus' statement was perfectly fine and innocuous. However, his buddies want to distance themselves from Jebus by making totally bogus cases. I'm helping them along with my vote.SilverPhoenix wrote:/shakes head
You're going to have to be more specific than that if you don't want me screaming Too Townie at you and how your argument is fallacious. Tell mewhatstatements were persuasive and I'll be willing to play ball, because right now I don't have a problem with Jebus' statements at all (as I stated in my previous post).
I don't like this statement. "Hi I'm god, DGB is obvious town, and cought cult leader/attacks town and I want to look town.Bloodmoney wrote:DGB is striking me as being too DGB. While I find myself agreeing with her I have a strange feeling concerning her (stranger than usual at least). I'm slightly scared at the idea that DGB might be God.
I didn't see it, but I agree with this statement.I believe I've said this before, but I would like this to be entirely clear: DO NOT PLAY TO AN EXPECTED WIN CONDITION. I see too many people doing just that. In the here and now, every agnostic's duty should be to find God and preferably today, while we're in majority. So move your lazy asses and stop lurking and being scummy already.
From experience. He would be bus'ed big time. On day one. Right out of the garage.mykonian wrote:God wouldn't be bussed, would he.