Phil wrote:The game has become stagnant and alot of people aint posting.
Agreed. We need more posters.
Its because those GIANT posts so early are selfish efforts to look town to other players.
Disagreed strongly. These posts get the point across, and do so well. There is no selfishness in them, and it is rather the opposite, in showing your devotion to the town. You're a one-man army against all the other players here in this matter, I believe, Phil--you're the only one here who seems to hate long posts this early on. And, quite frankly, let me put it to you this way: I have never seen a game where there have not been long posts, which get longer as the game goes on.
If you can honestly not handle simple posts of this length, then I am sorry, and you can always ask for replacement if it is that frustrating to you to read a great deal.
Unfortunately, this act discourages widespread contributions.
I find the opposite is true--it encourages people to post more often.
I think acts which stagnate the entire game deserve an FoS as its directly effecting our ability to find scum.
Your whole FoS is based off of the fact that I am posting long posts, when it has been and always will be my style to do so. For this, I can give links as evidence. And in both cases, my long posts had the opposite outcome you're describing--people known to post infrequently...were posting frequently. In this game, the people not posting frequently...are just inactive. Crysnia has a HISTORY of going inactive half-way through a game, to give an example.
Scum attempting to take over the reigns of scumhunts to direct them in the wrong way. It takes skill but I dont quite buy it. I think the effort to look town is far too strong on his part (considering its only been 4 pages and his posts are huge).
Never heard of the term. As for looking town, why do you think that this is the case? Why do you think that something I've done in all my true games is unusual?
Afraid of his posts? No. Find them majorly needless in size? Yes. Its making me not want to play the game and I'd say others could agree on this opinion considering the amount of activity.
Disagreed. I have yet to see even a single opinion besides yours agreeing with you about the size of posts. The longer a post is, the more likely it is to find tells in it, scum or town. Naturally, scum will try to talk less in order to drop fewer scum tells. And pro-town players will try to post more, to give more town tells. Long posts are a pro-town trait; a dislike of them is a pro-scum trait.
As if I want him to stop posting? You can stop right there. I dont approve of HUGE POSTS IN FIRST 3 PAGES.
Kay?
And I do not approve of a policy such as this, disliking long posts, in ANY stage of the game. I don't care if it's pregame or postgame; I do not approve of those who dislike long posts, as I will always find it scummy.
I want this game to go efficiently and be readable. Not see this game turn into a 3 hour shitting session every page every post, giant walls of text boucing back and forth between a minority of players.
It creates confusion, end of.
Disagreed, very, very,
strongly. SHORTER posts are what create confusion. People are LESS clear about their points, and so, it is EASIER to be misunderstood. And that is NEVER a good thing. LONGER posts CLARIFY matters MUCH better, and are FAR less likely to be misunderstood.
Scien wrote:I think there is a wiki on that somewhere... Too_Townie.
Scien is correct.
There is no way to prove that.
I agree with Scien, here, in that you are basing this evidence off of nothing. I have proof to the contrary, in Newbie 735 and 742. You are drawing arguments from THIS game, which both Scien and I disagree with, and have given no evidence from previous games that can PROVE this. In other words, I see your point as a load of bs.
Phil wrote:out of context by the butcher known as Mastins.
By the way, this is getting annoying. For the last time, there's only one 's' in my name, between the 'a' and the 't'. It's "Mastin", not "Mastins", nor "Mastis", nor "Mastisn".
Okay, so I dont like your playstyle? Its still bad for town in the long run as it promotes back to back long posts and leaves other players/replacements in the dark.
I disagree. I find that the worst thing for the town in the long run is to make short posts, which are easy to misunderstand. Other players should be able to read them.
Scum keep to their playstyles to avoid metaing so why would this matter? you are still fully possible scum.
Your whole argument is based off of me trying to basically swarm people wit my long posts to confuse them. Yet in both links I can give, I was the COP. Spelled C-O-P, not S-C-U-M, nor M-A-F-I-A. It is part of my playstyle to do so, and you're arguing that what I am doing is based off of the possibility that I'm just scum in all of those games and am consistently doing the same thing.
Read your posts and you'll see what parts I decided to bring into my 'paraphrasing', this is exactly how I see you. A butcherer of text and manipulation of (my) opinion.
Show me exactly where I am supposedly manipulating your opinion, 'twisting your words'. I am interested in how this opinion is even remotely possible.
Yet you leave me having to explain my own opinion on long/short posts, more reason for me think consider your posts a waste of town time.
Any good player, town or scum, should be able to explain their opinions, and when asked to do so, should. However, scum tend to have more trouble explaining their opinions.
Of players effort. Of efforts that could be devoted towards reading more inviting texts in order to see any scummy traits.
It is pro-town to ask questions. It is pro-town to examine the answers of those questions, looking for scum tells within them. It is not a waste of time, but rather, time well spent.
More butchering, I said 'relax and take your time' never have I told you to STOP.
And so was I. I said why slow down? Why slow down in scum hunting? Can you honestly give a good reason for THAT?
Suspicions grow as the thread grows.
And the thread grows by people posting frequently with large posts.
Hurling in every suspicion into the same post that crosses your mind doesnt help, understand what I'm getting at yet?
Quite frankly, no, I do not see what you're saying AT ALL. Saying all of one's thoughts is something that I actively encourage people to do, and is what I have done for a long time.
Concentrate on the scummiest actions until you're satisfied.
This leads to tunnel vision. Are you actively encouraging people to tunnel, JUST to keep their posts shorter?
Thats what I think helps all players and not just your own position(town or scum) in others opinions.
While I have stated all of my suspicions, I do agree that it is best to focus mainly on those two (Still Ub, Santos), however, I disagree VERY STRONGLY about going for ONLY the top two suspects. It is anti-town behavior, and only causes trouble.
I'm open to opinions but your questions settle only your curiousities about my opinions rather than pursuing something that could imply im scum.
Your answers help DETERMINE if I think you're scum or not. There is very little curiosity involved. It's scum hunting, and by asking the questions I do, the answers help determine whether you're scum or not. They, contrary to what you say, DO help imply whether you're scum or not.
Do you see the scumminess in that? The amount of questions over such an easily understandable fact?
I see a scumminess in your increasing suspicion over me for something that seems so...normal to me. I see no scumminess AT ALL in the amount of questions, ESPECIALLY since NOBODY is understanding your supposed 'fact'. Scien hasn't. I haven't. I imagine that when the players asleep and caught up log on to post, they won't, either.
I in fact, find them very useless and this was my point from the beginning.
Rather the opposite. I have found them very, very useful in determining something: You're either the worst scum ever, with the most absurd opinion I've ever seen (and TRUST me: I've seen some bad opinions [...mostly my own in my first game ever which I prefer to stay away from]), or you're just a really bad pro-town player, whose opinions will only harm the town in the long run. I strongly believe the latter is the case.
Due to the volume of text this early, I think its a fair enough opinion.
And I tend to strongly disagree, for reasons I have stated so far.
Though im sure I'll have to say this again another half dozen times
Saying it a thousand times over and over again won't change the fact that nobody will believe you.
Scien, far too dismissive.
Question: Have you actually read Scien's posts in 735? He was like this there as well. Scien was right: This is a text-based game. If you can't read what it posted, if you refuse to look at links which are meant to solidify points, then, quite frankly, you're only harming yourself.
Defending Mantins from what I see as you continue to question and dismiss whatever I say.
Hey, Phil, ever consider, FOR EVEN ONE MOMENT, that maybe,
that both Scien and I are correct and that *you* are wrong? Yea, I didn't think so.
Town should really look into how credible this is when considering this is the kind of action we wait for scum to make.
I do not understand what you are saying here at all. What, in the name of the earth, could the scum possibly be doing in this context that the town will not?
Vote Scien far too devoted to this little topic.
So...you're voting a person for sticking to his well-founded beliefs, and for being devoted to the game? Oh, joy. I thought self-hammering was about the worst kind of pro-town player I'd ever find. If you are, indeed, pro-town...let's just say that I will try to avoid you in the future. Your points are something I cannot find myself possibly agreeing with. Many of them make no sense, and those that do are incredibly anti-town. I really didn't think anyone could possibly believe such bs was fact.
