MKM II GAME OVER

[Riceballtail]

VOTE:Shin

for having a Konata avatar.

[Riceballtail]

Where did I say I didn't? I just voted you for your avatar. Perhaps it meant I like it?

I still like Tsukasa better though.

[Riceballtail]

this thread needs more spamming
zwet go!

Wasn't Gimbo the bane of MKM1 because of his perpetual spam?

[Riceballtail]

I know what might help us: do you think claiming the number of votes your vote counts for is a bad idea?

If like MKM1, this is a bad idea, yes. We should also assume that, since there is a real and visible votecount system again.

[Riceballtail]

You guys are missing the entire point of my plan.

Right now we have 2 possibilities here. Ill comment as soon as EVERYONE has claimed if they have or dont have the items descriptions here.

I assure you that the result will be the confirmation of at least 4 townies.

For some reason, this really irked my scumdar.

Oh, right, withholding information.

I'm not throwing my hat into this until you actually share your thoughts, with a healthy

FoS

attached.

[Riceballtail]

Unfortunatly this looks a lot like tajo from MKM I, tons of non sequitors, with little explaination, and rash call to action when people call him on it. And he was town. Also, agree or not with the item claims, but forcing tajo to reveal what he hopes to point out about the results seems scummy to me. Also, item description claim and item knowledge claim are two different things, and i think people are confusing them. tajo is asking for the latter, not the former, if im not mistaken.

Also, in MKM 1, Tajo was confirmed town (by his death and revival by Gimbo) and he could pull stuff like this without looking scummy. In some ways, I'm wondering if he's trying to do this again, with the assumption that we will continue to think he is town from last game.

I think Surye might be explaining part of where I have things crossed. However, I also think that, knowing tajo, the next step might be where you are thinking I'm confused about it as well.

In other news, I really don't like zwet's most recent vote.

[Riceballtail]

Let me think some before I can come up with the second part of the plan.

Does this not bother anyone else? Did he really just ask us all for information, and then not know what he was going to do with it? Sorry, but this is really anti-town to me.

Also, sorry for not being around much right now, been working on getting my mini up and running.

[Riceballtail]

I already said why I didn't like item costs, because that could be different for different characters (like last game where different characters had cheaper or more expensive costs for items). For example, last game the mushrooms cost 2 coins instead of 3 for Toad players. No one would know that except for the Toads. The Toads were not the only town-aligned role last game.

The item abilities are something that are going to be consistent between everyone's descriptions. Questions about some of the abilities can be general enough not to reveal exactly how they work, but also specific enough to know that they player knows how the item functions.

This is a good post.

I second this notion.

Mod edit
Visible Votecount

-Shinnen_no_Me (2): Riceballtail, Surye
-Gorrad (2): Empking, ortolan
-zwetschenwasser (2): Shinnen_no_Me, AceMarksman
-Empking (1): zwetschenwasser
-AceMarksman (1): Shadow Knight
-killa seven (1): qwints
-ortolan (1): populartajo
-Cream147 (1): semioldguy

Not voting (6): killa seven, Moratorium, WeyounsLastClone, Cream147, Gorrad, caf19

With 17 alive it takes 9 real votes to lynch.

[Riceballtail]

Zwet is the new Gimbo, not K7. Empking is on the K7 program though.

I am interested in why Zwet finds me scummy though (assuming that I'm RBC...).

As for what looks like the two current wagons, I would probably vote for either. I don't think either case is particularly strong though.

Also, while my mind is on it,

unvote

, as that was my random vote that I never got around to removing. Would like to hear from looker again though.

[Riceballtail]

I could go with a Gorrad lynch right now.

I'm honestly far more interested in what Sirdan has to say though. I hope he can at least post soon.

[Riceballtail]

Confirm vote: popthetaco

/facepalm.
now why?

Why the appeal to emotion Tajo?

[Riceballtail]

Confirm vote: popthetaco

/facepalm.
now why?

Why the appeal to emotion Tajo?

This is not appeaal to emotion.

Could you share what you think of everyone?

This is very clearly appeal to emotion. It's dripping with emotion from when you submerged in the emotional vat of glutenous emotion.

No excuses, say it.

[Riceballtail]

VOTE:Tajo

You need to stop bringing up your plan as how great and wonderful it makes you. Yes it killed a scum, but you could have easily done it intentionally to bus. Leading a lynch on scum D1 doesn't make you town. Especially when you backed off right before the actual lynch.

[Riceballtail]

OMGUS means that I dont have a reason to vote you other than you voting me. If you would read my posts instead of posting crap like this maybe you would see why I think you are scum.

It can be used as an "excuse" for a Random Vote near the beginning of the game, or as a retaliation when someone is close to being lynched, as a vent against the frustration (even if the player being voted for has no reasonable chance of being Lynched).

Occasionally a Scum player will use it to cover a strategic vote, feigning outrage to get someone else closer to a lynch.

Wiki disapproves of you.

[Riceballtail]

Yeah, obviously scum.

Unvote; Vote:ThAd

[Riceballtail]

FoS: RBT

Even though the vote is good, that was too opportunistic not to be taken into consideration. RBT, you have lurked the entire game yet when tajo and I catch scum, you instantly jump on the wagon. Where are your cases against other players? Where are your suspicions. I think RBT will get my vote tomorrow after we lynch Admiral!scum.

I was about to put up a post, saw that, and there's honestly no reason to keep a vote off of someone who's basically confirmed scum.

Yes, I tend to lurk more and have less content in the beginning stages of large games. I process things differently than most people.

That said, yes I've got my blinders on right now. It's a lot easier to focus on scummy behavior on a single person with this many people. Even more so with the seemingly perpetual flow of them coming in. I found someone I see scummy and I'm doing my style of interrogation. If you don't like it, that's fine, but it's the way I play.

Since people seem to keep asking, I'll share my views on people, even though this is usually fueled by scum wanting to know if they are in the clear.

Top Scum: Tajo, Caf, K7 (ignoring ThAd, for obvious reasons)
Top Town: Kast, Ace, Zwet

[Riceballtail]

Yes, I tend to lurk more and have less content in the beginning stages of large games.

I would hardly call page 56 in the "beginning stages" of this game.

The overall count of posts does not lead to the maturity of a game.

[Riceballtail]

i am in the DK Crew actually

Well this is making the game a whole lot easier.

[Riceballtail]

Posting to say that I'm working on writing a lengthy post with analysis on a lot of people. Yes, it's taking a while.

[Riceballtail]

Thoughts after rereading all the players still alive:

K7 - 1) He's playing in this game? 2) He isn't dead yet?
Kast - Replaced Cream, who didn't do a whole lot. Kast, however, has done a lot of questioning. Likely town.
ZEEnon - See K7
ortolan - seems to feel cleared after avoiding the lynch D1, but I'm getting somewhat scummy vibes too. However, Gorrad did investigate him and call him town.
Empking - was rather anxious to get past the item knowledge claiming part... I could comfortably place a vote here
caf19 - leaning town... but it's not a very solid feeling right now
Gorrad - I feel like he's more likely to be third-party than town, but it's probably just because I feel his role is really powerful. I don't see him being a lynch today for any reason.
AceMarksman - post 1551... Very likely scum or third-party
sirdanilot - likely town, seems to like a caf lynch a lot though

VOTE:AceMarksman

I'd like to see him lynched today.

Other thoughts: Why the kill on Millar didn't work: You can't kill a boo with fireballs in any Mario game I've ever played.

After a bit more thought, I do believe Ort is town without question.

I feel unsure about both Sirdan and Empking right now.

MOD:

Prod/replace K7/ZEEnon please.

[Riceballtail]

what do you think about the part where AceMarksman more or less confirmed Shadow Knight-scum? In general please elaborate on AceMarksman now that you actually have a purpose.

The comment about the millar night kill is one of the most useful comments you have made in this game... which doesn't say much but still. It's true, you can't kill boos with fire.

Also elaborate on your apparent suspicion of me and empking. Why did you list me as leaning town but also as a suspect...?

A bus is a bus. Doing it D1 makes it look really credible later.

I actually doubt that millar was a VT, and probably had protection from NKs somehow. Either that or he was a coin-stealer maybe (like in Mario Party)?

I have you on my suspect list because I still don't completely understand how you came into the game if Gorrad didn't summon you himself. Being a boo, millar's seemingly random jump made sense, but I can't quite add yours up.

Empking I suspect just didn't like the possibility of being called out during the item claiming stage, and thus wanted to try and skate by without having to discuss it much.

[Riceballtail]

killa seven, Riceballtail and zEEnon, all so anti-town - at least one scum here

caf19, AceMarksman and sirdanilot all need a re-read, in that order.

How am i antitown?

How are you PROtown?

[Riceballtail]

@ RBT, why is post 1551 voteworthy on its own?

Usually I try to avoid clinging to individual posts like this, but I wanted to point that out, since we seem to have several scum making slips like that. Since my vote is zero, I'm really only applying pressure not any chance of a lynch. :\

In other news, I have changed my mind on Sirdan and believe him to be town without question. I think I figured out where he came from. I also believe, due to ort's lack of objection, that he is town from the results of Gorrad's investigation.

[Riceballtail]

@RBT-
-Do you know why your vote counts for zero?

No, it's been changing every day.

-Are you soft claiming private information that allows you to practically confirm Sirdan?

No, I just think that I have been able to put 2 + 2 together and came up with what I believe to be four.

-Did you expect Ort to object to someone calling him a townie?

Hardly, but I would expect him to call him out if any of the information was wrong. Was mostly wanting to see if we should believe the information or not.

Bolding=responses.

[Riceballtail]

not sure what to think of rbt's softclaim

Wait, what?

[Riceballtail]

oh regarding rbt that's clearly bullshit

vote: rbt

You have secret role info or something to deduce I am town, but you don't wish to tell? Fine. But if your reasons for thinking I am town are not secret, tell them at once. Or give a good reason not to tell them while scum are watching.

Another possibility might be that you send a letter or something.

Well, you left a breadcrumb, and I double-checked it with other information from players, and was able to, from that information, decide that you absolutely have to be what I think your role is. It is five letters, is it not?

And no, I have absolutely no secret information, or any role/ability/item/power that gave me this information. The only reason I am trying to be vague is that I think your role would be more useful if the scum don't know it.

[Riceballtail]

I'm not liking how empking is responding, but that's just my say in this right now.

[Riceballtail]

Speaking of useless...

MOD:

either prod or replace K7 or ZEEnon.

[Riceballtail]

@Ace, Caf, ZEEnon, K7-
Thoughts and votes?

Seconding this, since they seem to be missing.

[Riceballtail]

I imagine it has to do with your instant defensive vote for self-preservation.

[Riceballtail]

considering massclaim today, otherwise just voting killah seven/ zEEnon

I can totally agree with this sentiment, but I really don't think a massclaim will help.

[Riceballtail]

Dry Bones died in MKM1...

[Riceballtail]

I see no reason to doubt Ace's claim, although a confirmation about vote-change would be good.

VOTE:K7

[Riceballtail]

My vote seems to count for 0 again today. I mostly put it on K7 for more pressure to post.

[Riceballtail]

If Gorrad is a double voter, then ZEEnon has to have a negative vote, unless Sirdan's counts for 0, which he has already stated is not the case.

[Riceballtail]

RBT is next to claim

Mod: please prod Riceballtail, thanks

This isn't required, I was communicating with Law about my claim.

I am a Spike (Bowser's Army)

I started with two votes, and can sacrifice voting power to vig a player. I did so N1 by killing Qwints. I haven't used it again since due to it costing me two votes and my likelihood of hitting scum being lowered thanks to getting two lynched and one vig'd.

I have no real evidence that I know Sirdan's role, but if I read his breadcrumb right:

Sirdan is a Spiny (Bowser's Army) who Tajo dropped N1 off his cloud. (Hence his PM saying the ground got closer and closer, also with the amount of interaction that Tajo didn't really say anything to him after pointing that out.) I just noticed that breadcrumb and put the two together.

Would the other parakoopa like to go next?

[Riceballtail]

Okay, I think I have most of the questions answered, but if not sorry.

I was writing a response, and lost it because the thread got locked.

First:

OH. This Spike! :
http://www.mariowiki.com/Spike_%28creature%29

Yes, that spike.

I choose to use my vig power, and sacrifice voting power for the NK. This number was not made known to me, and would seem to be two. I must have real votes in order to kill.

Why qwints? Because I thought Tajo's plan was a stupid idea. I stated such multiple times. I figured that qwints was in on a bus, and went with such hunch.

I don't like ZEEnon's claim because, to my knowledge, Monty Moles attack by throwing rocks, not digging and pulling people underground.

Also, Ort, you still need to claim yourself, even if you're confirmed town. I really don't like the attitude this shows.

[Riceballtail]

RBT: I don't know where I made a 'breadcrumb' except for my flavour claim of when I jumped into the game?

Correct. I combined that with the knowledge that Lakitu was also in this game, and it made complete sense.

Who needs to claim now? Acemarksman? Ort?

Ort is the only one who hasn't claimed.

Also ort I actually didn't realize that gorrad's death meant you were confirmed. But you are not really 100% confirmed because of the possibility of investigation influencing factors like sanity etc.

Agreed, he can't be confirmed 100% yet. However, despite his actions, I do believe Ort to be town. He's just acting like his confirmation lets him be scummy without repercussion.

@Kast: Sorry, I thought I had addressed them.

To my knowledge, my sacrifice was temporary, but thus far it would seem to be permanent. My guess as to why my vote has been changing is somebody may have tampered with my vote, but I can't say for certain.

@Ort: This post was what really struck me as a bus, as it tried to lynch SK while buddying up to Ort.

I think you should claim because at this point, you're the only one who hasn't. While I can see you wanting to be protective of your role, I really don't think it would be hard to come up with at this point.

Other notes: I like the sound of a ZEE lynch, but Ace's recent actions are perking the idea for him too.

I think everybody should give a list of night actions (should you have any to share).

[Riceballtail]

@RBT-
You didn't answer what time you choose to use your power.
-Is it at the start of the day?
-Anytime during the day?
-Is it at the end of the day?

-Do you give up your voting power at the time that you use your kill?

Also, I imagine you can ask the mod to clarify whether your claimed loss of voting is permanent or temporary.

Night-phase. I change the votes into the balls I shoot, and would thus imagine it to be a permanent change, but I could ask.

@Ort: I have a hunch that's your role, but I really don't know for sure.

[Riceballtail]

From what Gorrad told us, his role starts with an R, and there was a distinction between a Red Koopa and a Green Koopa, thus I would guess there could also be Red/Green parakoopas (as confirmed by already having a green parakoopa dead).

[Riceballtail]

@Law/Sirdan: You certainly have a prayer from me. I hope things improve quickly for you.

@Kast: 2, 0, 0, 0, 0, -1

@KMD: Welcome/thanks for the emergency backup.

[Riceballtail]

Sorry, I'll have some answers soon, my computer was down for a bit.

[Riceballtail]

ZEE is 100% scum in my book, btw. Need I remind you all that we are inside a castle? How is a mole digging through brick/stone/whatever the castle is made of in order to pull people underground, which Monty Moles have never done in any game they've appeared in? His vote count is likely false as well, but I'm not completely certain of that. His incessant tunneling on me doesn't really help either. I would also be willing to lynch AM, but I'm far more willing to kill ZEE. It probably sounds a lot like OMGUS, but he's been trying to put as big of a negative light on me as possible.

I honestly targeted qwints because I thought it was a bus, I really can't say why anymore, but I just really remember that he was the right person to target that night.

[Riceballtail]

I don't even remember millar13 being allowed to claim.

He fake-claimed to be part of DK crew D2... obviously wrongly so as he was a townie, but he still managed to do it and got himself a quick-lynch D3.

[Riceballtail]

Kast does bring a fairly good point. How do you know that jumping is their kill method?

Also, since my vote was reduced by 1 today to -1, I don't think you're telling the truth about not targeting someone last night.

[Riceballtail]

Sorry, things have been hectic and I haven't really been posting much. Since I imagine I have questions, I'll answer them next post.

[Riceballtail]

Welcome Sajin. Hope you can get this game picked up again.

[Riceballtail]

Well, that was enough suspense to cut through fog. :\

GG scum.

[Riceballtail]

I was actually convinced Ace was third party with that kind of claim. I forgot how much they really were a part of BA in most games though.

[Riceballtail]

Eh our problem was we did not have enough votes to actually vote Kast off.

Yeah, I was kinda frustrated at having a negative vote almost all game.

I blame Looker.

[Riceballtail]

Our QT, while I think of it.

http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/EbKT94QWwhLZ

[Riceballtail]

I figured ortlon was scum, told you fuckers i was town, no one ever listens to me.

Maybe if you tried actually playing to win, and not playing to lurk incessantly, people might value what you say.

Also, I totally thought ZEE was third party the entire game, but I wanted to peg him as MK for the sake of not looking like MK myself.

On another note, if we had actually been able to keep our toads, we could have probably killed enough town off by N5 to win. It's actually kinda scary what the coins would have been able to do for us.

[Riceballtail]

Role a player should get when he comes into the game by a 1-up shroom:
If Mario bought the 1-up shroom, a Toad joins the game, if Luigi bought it a Shy Guy joins the game, and if a Toad bought it one of Bowser’s minions joins the game, depending on the day, with the order as in the draft above. For example, if Toad bought the 1-up shroom on Night 4, and uses it the same night or later, then a Red Koopa joins the game. (1: Goomba, 2: Paragoomba, 3: Green Koopa, 4: Red Koopa, etc.)