Mini 776: End of the World Zombie Survivors Mafia: Abandoned

[Gateway]

I like your thinking, we are not suppose to vote yet from what I understand. But there is the gun issue.

Gun: OozingGoldBall

Because Diamondilium is so damn convincing.

[Gateway]

Ummm.. Yeah I sort of made the above vote with the assumption we could.

If we can't, please don't join with me. I had no real basis for that one.

[Gateway]

I think the worry was that Diamond was not paying enough attention and voted, is that whom we want having the gun?

I assume we can unvote, so I am doing so until told otherwise.

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Here are your random numbers:

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Timestamp: 2009-04-18 08:31:03 UTC

So (assuming we are allowed to do this)

Ungun/ Gun: Musher333

That is another random choice from Random.org, and this way I will feel at least a little safer about it.

I know you feel safe where it is at Semi, but he really blew it on the first post and I would rather that player not have a loaded weapon. So I went to random.org and Musher333 is who I am pushing for now.

[Gateway]

@Gateway, when you say he missed the second person who posted if you look at the times they posted within a minute of each other so the post could simply have not been there when he voted and posted.

@Musher333
Diamon voted 27 minutes after the rules were posted, there is no way he happened to be writing his vote before the game started and missed the mod's post of "Don't Vote, Only Gun week one"

To me if a mod says in his very first flavor post of day 1 that there is no voting, and someone votes, I assume that character will be making decisions without proper reading. Is that a person we want having the ability at any time in the game to kill someone?

At this point I am not picky who gets it, I have not played with, or against any of you so I have no idea who's the best choice. I just know at this point Diamondilium is the worst choice. Please take the gun from them.

Sorry, but there can be no argument. Diamond screwed that one up!

[Gateway]

I was rereading and I realize what you read now Musher. I wasn't saying he mistook who the first person was (the reason for his vote). It was obvious he is just doing the random voting stage, can't have an issue with that. I said no gun for him because we are not supposed to be voting now, the rules were clear. That is the type of player that may miss an important post and end up using his power on a townie.

[Gateway]

Actually. I can agree with that. I see a flaw in your logic,
Any other choice would be random, but we -know- diamond is not responsible enough. His very first post proved that without a doubt.

We need someone to have it though and I would gladly give it to semioldguy as they give me a very pro-town vibe right now. And they have to be more responsible then Diamond.

[Gateway]

Ah yes, maybe I worded it wrong. That is why I feel he should have it as well.

Ungun/Gun: semioldguy

I would feel better about my decision if you gave yourself a vote as well.

Fixed vote bracket

[Gateway]

*Can a mod fix that bracket for me? Thanks.

[Gateway]

I understand. I can not say I am a newbie anymore at all, but I am still learning and currently from my experience I feel scum will always want to act a little shadier. Right now s.o.g. should know we have some degree of trust, and I get a scummy feeling when a person still tries to be to modest.

Not making any claims period, just would feel better if s.o.g. threw a vote on himself as well since he sees we support him.

[Gateway]

I do not need more. Here is a break down of what I see. Feel free to correct me if I have the mechanics wrong.

-We have one person with a gun. Decided this week.
-After the "Gun Phase" We do normal lynching.
-Lynching proceeds as normal with the single exception, that the person with the gun can at any time kill another player.

Now with these facts we know the gun needs to be where we can trust. I completely agree. This is day one though and we know nothing yet. So that is not a completely viable option.

So all we can do is say where do we think it should not go. Diamond, you missed the opening post... the opening post of our day... I mean... the -very- first post that starts off our day. If you managed to miss that, you are not the best person for the gun. The simple fact you seem to want to have the responsibility when you can see your own error worries me. Would I want it, absolutely not, I am not experienced enough not to fall for some trap and accidentally kill someone.

So names that don't deserve it so far really are
-Gateway - Lack of experience means not knowledgeable to aim the gun.
-Diamondilium - Fell behind on the -very first post-, not who we need with a loaded gun.

[Gateway]

You have a gun, and one bullet. You may point the loaded gun at another survivor during the day, when you are all gathered in the common area, and pull the trigger. This will kill them.

To kill someone, post

KILL: PLAYERNAME

in the game thread. This power will not work after a majority of votes to lynch has been placed, even if I haven't counted the votes. It will not work after a deadline to lynch expires.

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It is clearly the mod letting us elect who gets this role before the lynch. If you yourself found it unclear, why do you want the gun?

Don't you feel it should go to a player we at least feel won't make a mistake based on a misread?

I myself don't want it, so why do you Diamond?

[Gateway]

YES! semioldguy is a genius and so I absolutely want him to have it. Let us just get rid of this worry. We give it to s.o.g., and when we will treat the lynch as needing one less. (so putting a person at L-1 is a hammer) the moment they get L-1 you use the gun. Then we are done with it.


As a side note, if a person gets L-1 and someone hammers before semi can shoot, we lynch the hammerer D2.

[Gateway]

Also @ Diamond: I do not think you are playing poorly in any way. I just (before semi's recent plan) wanted it in the hands of someone that doesn't miss a single word. It is to powerful. As it stands now, forget I said anything and we should go with semi's plan.

You can agree with that plan and join us in giving semi the gun then, right Diamond?

[Gateway]

Yeah Herodotus, that makes no sense. One, he sparked voting patterns and arguments with his plan. And the plan itself does not kick in until we start voting... which usually starts happening after people analyze voting patterns and arguments.

Maybe you just read it wrong, as it stands he is just giving us two lynches before the first night phase, perfection if you ask me.

[Gateway]

Ah yes, it is late and I was mis-reading. I realize I was rewording what was already said, my mistake.

[Gateway]

Here is the way I understand it. And the vig lynch day two with this plan is required EEM, I will explain.

Right now we want oldguy to have the guy, right before we do a lynch on day one, he will instead shoot the person at L-1. Basically doing the lynch we agreed upon as a majority anyways, and getting rid of a role that could be devastating in scum hands.

@ EEM: Insane, where is that logic coming from?
It was part of the plan, so let's see, we do the plan, person with the gun lies and shoots someone else... and we shouldn't lynch them? I think you are the one that is insane EEM.

That is not going to happen though and is a complete waste of an argument. Semi is clearly going to get the gun now, adding votes will speed it up so we can get to the lynching stage and start our scum hunting.

[Gateway]

Exactly Diamond. I basically want the gun gone, in a townie's hands it can go either way, but in scum hands it will be a deadly weapon. Using it as an extra lynch (or just the lynch in general if we go to night phase) gets it off the table.

What I am saying EEM. Is right now. Let me use myself.
I get the gun and we all come to agree on the plan as a majority.
We decide to lynch Diamondilium (no reason, grabbing your name as I see it on the screen now) at L-1 I shoot someone else against the town's majority vote.

Hell if I was scum, I would shoot scum just to certify myself as a townie in the townie's eyes. So if the person with the gun (not a vig to me, as they could be mafia... and they can shoot in the day) shoots someone against the majority, you better believe I am going to push for their lynch.

Again I don't see that happening. So for now, since Semi is already getting the gun by the votes out there, scumhunting should be our new concern.

[Gateway]

I should add I am pushing behind the plan because I believe in it over all others offered (trusting a random person... come on, I'd rather it was gone)

If someone comes up with a new plan besides our current that possibly gives two lynches before a NK, and gets rid of the gun, by all means post it and I will jump behind it if I believe in it.

[Gateway]

That is an awesome idea Herodotus, it isn't the mod's task so we will have to keep track of it.

[Gateway]

Dbl post, sorry.

I am also interested in hearing something from Amished.

[Gateway]

vote hero

. Let's not try to outguess the mod or add confusing restrictions on voting that will make an already short timeframe even shorter.

Was this like your version of day one random voting, because we are on a deadline now. We should skip the random voting phase.

Going to take the dog for a walk and then present a broad case as I see things from my eyes currently.

[Gateway]

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Amished

I have no read on you yet, I have made the same mistake playing three games as once so I can understand lack of a L/A post. I will agree with your L-1 concerns, but it is a risk I am willing to take if it gets rid of the gun. Also SOG seems adept enough to not use the gun if it seems like a bandwagon forced the L-1 without thought. Also see my last statement in this post concerning this as well.

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Diamondiliuml

I came at you hard in the beginning, but not because I had any scummy feelings for you. Your later posts showed a general concern about the town using the gun properly as well. In post 88 you seemed to really be bringing the town around a plan to watch for possible scum set-ups, but you didn't originally bring it up. As it stands right now I feel Diamond is leaning more towards townie.

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Rishi

A few short posts clearing up how the gun works day one, and aknowledgement of the plan to use the gun day one. You are patricipating in conversations, but I don't feel you've added anything really. No solid opinion on Rishi yet.

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Shinnen_no_Me

Except for a quick hello, nothing else. If they are gone then there is nothing we can do, if the mod's prod shows they have just been lurking though, SNM is probably highest on my suspicious list so far.

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Herodotus

Came up with the pseudo vote idea, making me feel they wanted to add a new tool to prevent scum hammering or pressuring role claims. Townie vibe so far

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evilevilmatt

Sort of a scummy vibe off you but I cannot explain why. The facts as I see them is mostly you trying to get semi the gun just as I was. I know my intentions, I have to be a little suspicious of you though. I will be watching you to make my decision more clear over the next couple of days

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Gateway

Obviously an awesome townie.

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kabenon007

If you are not away, your quick post and lurking don't shine you in a good light to me.

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Musher333

You have been clear about your thoughts and added posts with content to help out, good townie vibe from this guy.

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Lowell

Less bickering really? Any townie would be wishing there was more bickering so we can find some tells and find the scum. And then with a deadline ahead of us you vote on someone for asking the mod a question? That is your scummy tell for him... Sorry but you are high on my ladder of scum. I will represent that by tagging my vote on you at the end of this post.

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OozingGolfBal

A little confusion in the begining, so your posts were mostly just setting your frame of thought. Later posts showed a want to place power in the town. Feeling neutral on you.

I will not make any opinions on SOG right now as I have to accept the dice roll I made when choosing him for the gun day one, and will not focus more attention where it is wasted right now.


-Make sure everyone takes into consideration semioldguy's statement in post 40 (if someone could show me how to turn the "post 40" into a link it will keep my notes easier to reference.

Very Important!!!!
Since we are basically lynching a person with one less vote today (if all goes smoothely) Everyone should have to explain their vote clearly, even if they only type "Vote: suckah... bandwagon" We can not have empty votes out there right now.

Vote: Lowell

Thoughts?

[Gateway]

These are my thoughts as they stand so far. I understand I have a lot of experience to gain before I know what are useless tells, so any opinions or criticism of my points would be appreciated.

Showing me how to turn a word into a link would still be appreciated as well.

[Gateway]

@ Lowell, I did not want you thinking I dodged your response. Diamond said it much more clearly then I could inPost 118

Solving the issue now prevents distraction when we are scum hunting and about to lynch someone. Not that it matters, I believe we are past that point and people will be psuedoing or f.o.s.ing if we get near a lynch.

[Gateway]

I am convinced Lowell is either dumb scum, anti-town, or a joker (which I hear many mods won't use so I'll ignore that option)

I feel confident a few more votes may get tagged on to him, before we let him get to L-1 lets try to find another target as well.

Will try to focus my attention elsewhere after a reread tonight. Hero, SOG, and Diamond have all three been people I've noticed adding to the conversation a lot, so I would like to hear your three opinions of other options as well. (if they were stated in the last page ignore this and I will catch it when I really read it tonight, instead of skim today.)

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