Newbie 774 - Spegezzironi: Game Over! TOWN WINS!

[SensFan]

Scotty

[SensFan]

Whoops. That was my bad.

(Unvote), Vote: Rusty

[SensFan]

The above post has turned my joking vote for Rusty into a serious vote.

[SensFan]

I've obviously nailed your scum-partner, and now you're just trying to get rid of me. It's not going to work.

If you're joking, I'll warn you now that you should be more serious.
If you're not joking, please tell me why in the world you think Johoo and I are buddies due to my dislike for random votes.

Hey

Sensfan

! You were great in Catatonia!

Huh?

[SensFan]

Oddly enough I saw a game in which you started the game by asking everyone a question, which effectively eliminated the random voting stage.

Yep.

While that's without doubt a good strategy to get the game moving, its important to note that I was Scum in that game, and the questions were definatively slanted to give me a huge advantage.

[SensFan]

Hey

Sensfan

! You were great in Catatonia!

Huh?

I read throught the first pages of the Catatonia game and you were great there! You basically stated that the random stage votes are an essential way to find mafi.

Basically, your theory in a nutshell boils down to "if there is voting there is the means to fins the scum".[/quote]
Yep, that's the theory.

[SensFan]

Unvote, vote: ckool

[SensFan]

Wow, am I good or what?

I haven't even said anything worthwhile

and I have three votes on me!

[SensFan]

Ooh! Ooh! I know! I know! Pick me teacher! Pick me!....

Er... Ignore that.... I've learned from some other game that a few people don't like FoS because it's practically saying "I think you should all gang up on this guy, but I don't want to vote for him myself so I won't get accused of bandwagoning." Of course, I completely disagree with that, but still...

**** it! I was going to say something else, but I forgot it already! Has that ever happened to you?

That's somewhat valid.

If you have a vote on someone else, a FoS is fine.
If the person you suspect is at L-1, a FoS is fine.
Otherwise, you should be voting them.

[SensFan]

@ SensFan:

What's with the change in play style?

What change?

[SensFan]

@ SensFan:

What's with the change in play style?

What change?

At the first page of this game you seemed eager to get it on the move from randomness to content, whereas you on this last page has added ICish information only, and no content.

You've been around more than long enough to not use crap attacks like that. At the time of your question, we had been on this page for about 12 hours.

[SensFan]

You seem to be watching the thread (looking at the time stamp you replied both my posts in an amazingly timely manner), but avoid posting content (only said replies and IC-info, and it goes back on page two). It is not the feeling I got from your style on page one.

Also,

Unvote

I refresh my list of games probably at least 10 times an hour, for the most part. If there's a new post, I'll read it. If its a question to me, I'll answer - especially an IC-question. Otherwise, a couple of times a day I'll sit down and really hammer out some posts. Yesterday, I was involved in a heated debate in another game, and that took most of my time.

(Unvote,) Vote: Johoohno

, I REALLY don't like how you're making a big deal out of me going about 24 hours without posting a ton of analysis.

[SensFan]

Sensfan, do you think Johool's attack has anything to do with the fact that your vote was on ckool at all?

Not sure.

It was pretty obvious why I voted ckool, though.

[SensFan]

MOD: What are the EXACT contents of the post (of Rusty's) that he mentions got deleted?

The post contained nothing but a request to correct errors in the vote count. These errors have been corrected. Since the post was administrative in nature only, contained no other information, and violated rule A-3, it was deleted. If you have further concerns about this, please PM me.

[SensFan]

Before CPE arrived, I became convinced that the two BW choices were both Village. I refuse to participate in the village lynching itself.

If you're going to give outlandish statements like that, you need to back them up in considerable detail.

CPE, don't blindly follow me.

[SensFan]

It does seem a little like a footbullet doesn't it...

My logic was as follows.

Lamont_Cranston followed SensFen.

Their mutual target commented on this following.

Lamont_Cranston then switched.

Possible conclusion, Lamont_Cranston was scum, was following his fellow scum, but on hearing it implied he' s switched away.

Actually, even if (and this is a big if) L_C was following me because he's Scum, then backed off when called out, it has NO bearing on my alignment.

[SensFan]

Why has SensFen tole me not to follow him after I said that I've realised it was a bad idea, stopped doing so, and accused him of being scum?

Because I don't want you following me...

[SensFan]

I refresh my list of games probably at least 10 times an hour, for the most part. If there's a new post, I'll read it. If its a question to me, I'll answer - especially an IC-question. Otherwise, a couple of times a day I'll sit down and really hammer out some posts. Yesterday, I was involved in a heated debate in another game, and that took most of my time.

Fair enough. On another topic, what do you think of Lamont_Cranston following you on pretty much everything?

Not sure yet.

[SensFan]

I like the idea of a fast-ish lynch because we have a lot more information after the night.

No we won't. Cop shouldn't claim tomorrow, if we even have one.

While I'm also very suspicious of SensFan.

Why? For having someone follow me?

[SensFan]

I'm suspicious of you for having someone follow you and then veer away.

What the fuck does that have to do with me?

[SensFan]

My theory was that as they veered away after it was mentioned that they were following you, it could imply that they had been following you because you were both mafia but with someone suggesting even vaguely that that was what they were doing they've jumped away to try and hide the fact that you're both mafia. I've explained this three times now, maybe my logics bad, but I think it makes sense.

You're missing the point. Absolutely NOTHING in there has ANYTHING to do with me. Its all to do with L_C.

[SensFan]

You're missing the point, it requires you to be scum for him to have been following you as a fellow scum. (I'm assuming the scum know who the other scum are at this point, am I mistaken?)

And what makes you think L_CScum wouldn't follow SensTown?

Unvote, Vote: cpe

Your logic just doesn't make sense, and I have a hard time believing its actually genuine.

[SensFan]

It was the sudden switch away after being pointed at, which made me think it may imply something about you.

Note,

might

, I just currently think I have more reason to be suspicious of L_C and you than of anyone else.

You're still COMPLETELY missing the point.

There is absolutely NO case against me to be made from something that has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with me. Whether I am Scum, Town, Cult, SK, or even not fucking playing, it wouldn't stop/help L_C from following me.

[SensFan]

And surely a follow could imply something about the person being followed.

So if I started following you, that makes you Scum?

[SensFan]

if anything your reaction to my comment seems like more potential grounds for suspicion than the logic was in the first place, but then your reaction could be explained by something else.

If I hear bullshit arguments, I attack them.

[SensFan]

Adding to the above, the style of scum play I'm suggesting pretty much requires the following scum to decide that what they've been doing is stupid...

Could maybe be done by a newbie, hmm, yeah, I think my logic could work if L_C is a newbie and didn't think things through at the start of the game. Alternatively there are quite a few other explanations... I have less faith in my chain of logic by the second...

You're still not seeing that LC following me has absolutely NOTHING to do with my alignment. Absolutely nothing. Zero.

[SensFan]

]But can't you at least acknowledge that following a fellow scum is a potential motive for a follow?

He could be following with me because I'm his buddy.
He could be following with me because he wants me to look like his buddy.
He could be following with me because he thinks I'm a good player.
He could be following with me because I'm from Canada.
He could be following with me because the voices in his head told him to.

You could be attacking me for this because I'm your buddy.
You could be attacking me for this because you want me to look like your buddy.
You could be attacking me for this because you think I'm a good player.
You could be attacking me for this because I'm from Canada.
You could be attacking me for this because the voices in your head told you to.

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Do you see my point?

[SensFan]

Vote: L_C

I now support a lynch.

[SensFan]

@sensfan: and so you support a lynch when I flip villager then?

No, I don't support lynching a dead villager. You're not dead, nor necessarily a villager. Stop appealing to emotion.

I will also say that I have noticed that Sensfan has been rather abrasive with people that have inquired about his game behavior.

Examples?

If anyone else has noticed this and would like to vote him, I will join in that. Othwerwise at this point I am open to ideas.

"If there's enough support for a Sens wagon, I'll jump on that. If not, I'll need to find another wagon to jump on."

[SensFan]

Well don't blame me when I flip village.

Stop fucking appealing to emotion. It is HURTING your case, since its a completely invalid, illogical, and unfounded argument.

[SensFan]

Stop fucking telling me what to do -- face it you are going to have to DEAL WITH IT when I flip village -- FACE AND and stop whining!

No, I won't have to deal with SHIT ALL.

In fact, I will say right now, that even IF you flip Villager, I won't regret supporting your lynch.

[SensFan]

LOL wow that is so anti-village but I guess thats just you hey Sens?

No, its not.

You're playing on emotion, you're not playing logically, and its a lynch. I never EVER regret being on a wagon.

[SensFan]

That is just dumb and its an arrogant anti-village attitude.

Nope. In fact, I am fully aware I'll participate in a Town lynch just as, if not more, often than I participate in a Scum lynch.

[SensFan]

Aggression isn't necessarily scummy, but it's more scummy than nothing...

No, its not. At least, not for me.

[SensFan]

I think I've had enough of talking with Sens for the moment. I do find him to be quite anti-village and am beginning to suspect that in this case it means more than just his "regular" behavior but its only my opinion and I'm waiting for input from others.

There's always at least 1-2 Newbs who think I'm completely obvscum in these games. Look up my previous games, it has nothing to do with my alignment.

[SensFan]

Ok, now I think it's very hard to say anything. The bulk of day 1 was L_C needs to be lynched, but now he's gone and he wasn't scum. The case against Sens_Fan is nowhere near as solid as it was when there was the possibility of it being Sens and L_C, and we know almost nothing about semioldguy.

What case against me? The one where I'm aggressive and won't apologize if I'm on a Town wagon?

If so, explain why that's scummy (hint: its not).
If not, explain the case on me.

[SensFan]

Oh... I just now read that muzzz was killed...

Happening three hours after your first post of the day, to me this reads as someone who wasn't paying a whole lot of attention to the night kill and more likely to be a townie in my opinion. For now you have gone down considerably in suspicion by me.

Its nothing but a nulltell, definatively not a towntell.

It would be VERY easy to fake that sort of thing.

[SensFan]

Vote: ckool

[SensFan]

@SensFan - Generally, the attitude

you think ckool5000 is faking was prevalent in a game I had with him in which he died as town, so I'm inclined to accept it.

That makes it even more suspect, if he thinks he can fool you by repeating the same scummy play that he did as Town.

[SensFan]

Vote: ckool

Ditto [to not being helpful]

I disagree. I often vote without reasons, especially early in the day.[/quote]

[SensFan]

Plus, it shows what someone's opinions are, in case who they think was most scummy on the list turns out to be scum, then you can be pretty sure that they're town... Or a scum bussing his partner. In other words, it's a way for people to get information about the person making the list, and for the list-maker, it's a way to keep your thoughts organized if you don't want to use the "notes" section.

Sorry, I just wanted to plug in my two cents... Make that one cent, because I don't really have much of a clue who to suspect...

Oh, and I'll post a list of voting patterns for you guys soon, just in case it might be any help.

It's a bad idea to post a complete list. Just the top few scummy ones is best.

No one else should post a list of more than the 3 people they find scummiest.

[SensFan]

I was gone this weekend (as the sig said).

Catching up, then will post later.

[SensFan]

Yeah, I'm not a fan of semioldguy's attack on Rusty.

Unvote, Vote: semi

[SensFan]

Ugh. I hate ICs that flake.

Technicallly he was an SE.

[SensFan]

@ cpe and SensFan:

You both come back from your prods and produce no content in your post. Provide more content please.

I still think you're Scum.
I still think your 'attack' on Rusty is full of crap.

[SensFan]

JUST SO EVERYONE IS AWARE, I WILL BE OUT OF TOWN FROM FRIDAY (TOMORROW) AFTERNOON (EST) UNTIL SOMETIME SUNDAY AFTERNOON-EVENING (ALSO EST). I WILL NOT HAVE ACCESS THEN, AND SO WILL NOT BE POSTING IN THAT TIMEFRAME.

Mod told me to announce it in-thread next time.

No. I told you to follow the rules which say to PM me.

[SensFan]

Vote: Santos

I'm a Cop, he's Scum.

Night 1, Scotty-Innocent
Night 2, Santos-Scum

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Everyone, in your very next post, has to say if they are counter-claiming me or not.

[SensFan]

Everyone, in your very next post, has to say if they are counter-claiming me or not.

No counter claim here, but could you explain your investigation choices?

Sure.

Scotty (Night 1) - I couldn't read you really the first day. The combination of that, and you being the other IC, made you the logical investigation choice.

Santos (Night 2) - He was suspected by several, and Johoohno hadn't been easy to read (and could no longer account for his actions). I didn't want to be in LyLo without knowing his alignment.

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Also of note:
If Santos was Town, I'd be confirmed Scum right now. There is absolutely no reason for him not to be voting me if he was Town, whereas Scum might be tentative of how natural it would seem to vote me right after I voted him.

[SensFan]

I very easily see a semioldguy/Santos pairing, but I'm also having trouble believing that Sotty7 is innocent.

If I am Town, Scotty is Town.
Therefore, is Scotty is Scum, I must be Scum.

So if you think Scotty is Scum, then you think the Scumpair is Sens/Scotty, and that both ICs are Scum.

[SensFan]

SensFan, a question:

This is a Newbie F11 Setup. The structure of the game has been randomly chosen from one of the below:

- 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Sane Cop, 1 Doctor, 5 Townspeople
- 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Goon, 7 Townspeople
- 2 Mafia Goons, 1 Sane Cop, 6 Townspeople
- 2 Mafia Goons, 1 Doctor, 6 Townspeople

How can we trust you are the cop?

There is no way to prove that you are telling the truth unless we are in setup 1 in which the doctor would be obligated to claim (which is BAD)
or setup 3 in which we would have to look back at your posting style this game. And see if you are a scum claiming cop to ensure you look as pro town as possible because your play so far has appeared neither scummy nor town. You have not scumhunted from what I can remember, but only provided short, snide posts at other players which in no way displays allegiance, just aggression towards play style.

If you are indeed the cop, then you are NOT a sane cop

because word per word I am townie as described in the Newbie F11 setup. So basically,

everyone would have to trust you. Well I'm not, sorry.

So how does everyone else trust you? They shouldn't, IMO, but given that you 'have the experience' you could definitely be the trickiest scum claimer they've ever seen; but

I'm not buying it.

So, I am ready to vote because this is what I know:

1) He is scum claiming cop. A REAL cop does not get guilty results in Newbie F11 setups because I am townie.
2) He is scum either covering his partner Scotty (which would be simply stupid) or he is KNOWINGLY saying that Scotty is townie because he is scum and knows she's townie via setup 3.
3) His vote on his partner semioldguy in Day 2 was to divert the town's attention away from him the rest of the day which played it safe for him to claim cop on Day 3.

Vote: SensFan

Town, I hope you make the right decision, because IT CANNOT FAIL lynching SensFan as the real cop because that would contradict the game setup appointed by the host.

Also, we cannot ignore the fact that ckcool/Scoty might also be his partner, but as I stated before I believe semioldguy/SensFan are our scum in this game.

GL

Why so much doubt, Santos?
If you were Town, there wouldn't be a SINGLE question in your mind that I am Scum. But all the points I bolded show that you're trying to figure out whether I'm Scum, or that you're deciding 'not to believe' me.

As I said before, if Santos was Town, there would be no doubt in his mind. The reason you are seeing so much hesitation and doubt from him is because he is Scum, and thinks that it might look too scummy for him just to vote me for having claimed a Guilty on him.
Even after I pointed out that SantosTown would have voted me simply for claiming a Guilty on him, he still didn't do it; Scum usually hesistate to do anything someone says they would be doing as Town.
In short, he got caught by me, and has no idea how to try and get out of it, and the unnaturalism of his reaction shows that plainly. Town don't need to try and figure out what is natural, Town would know immediately that anyone claiming a Guilty on them has to be Scum.

By the way Santos. You say that the Town has no reason to trust me 100%, and that's completely true. But Scum also doesn't know if there is or isn't a Cop in the set-up, there's a 50-50 chance. Now, its LyLo already, and no Scum have been lynched. So what possible reason would SensScum have to fakeclaim Cop with a Guilty and an Innocent, both on alive players?

If I was Scum:
*If Scotty was the Cop, I'm outed as Scum
*If someone other than you/Scotty was the Cop, both you and them would know I was Scum

That would be an absolutely stupid risk to take; if I were Scum I'd be playing it safe today and looking for a mislynch, especially since its not like I was a top suspect of anyone.

[SensFan]

Cops don't get guilty results on townies, dude. You're lying so much you're horizontal with the Earth.

You repeating over and over again that you're a Townie won't convince anyone.
I've explained why you're Scum beyond the fact that I know it through investigation. Your response to this reeks of someone who has no clue how aggressively he can push without looking scummy.

[SensFan]

Just vote old man if you're so sure. You know who you are, just leave it up for others to decide.

I've presented the facts and they are undeniable: cops in newbie F11 setups do not investigate townies to be guilty. Period.

You can't just say you're a Townie over and over again and expect people to eventually just trust you

[SensFan]

You can't just say you're a

Townie

COP

over and over again and expect people to eventually just trust you

Right.

And not once have I said "Look people, I'm a Cop and I got a Guilty so he's obviously Scum, now go lynch him!"
I claimed Cop, told them I have a Guilty on you (so that they will lynch either me or you), and have consequently shown that you are not acting in a manner that would be consitent with being Town. You are too focussed on making sure you don't look scummy, and so you're trying to judge how much you can 'get away with' attacking me. What you don't seem to get (because you're not Town) is that if you were Town you would know 100% that I am Scum, and wouldn't be dancing around with "I don't believe the Cop claim" statements.

[SensFan]

Also, SensFan, I don't want an actual reason about Day 2 from you, its a little too late for you to offer that because obviously you'll want to say something now that I've point that out once again, but I would like ckool5000 and semi to give some thoughts on why Sens just derailed his own scum hunt to investigate me last night as opposed to confirming his Day 2 option on Semi.

This however is an excellent point. Sens?

I already explained the rationale for investigating Santos, which he conviniently didn't so much as

mention

.

Santos (Night 2) - He was suspected by several, and Johoohno hadn't been easy to read (and could no longer account for his actions). I didn't want to be in LyLo without knowing his alignment.

To expand on that, I have my faults as a player, as do everyone; wishy-washiness is

most certainly

not one of them. Therefore, I don't waste Cop investigations on people I suspect; if I suspect them, it means I have enough information on them to get a (at least) decent read, and if my read is wrong, then so be it. Instead, I use my investigations on people I don't have much (if any) of a read on, especially going into LyLo.

[SensFan]

Not much time now, but a much more thorough post will come later tonight.

[SensFan]

I just did a check, I haven't played as Cop before.

[SensFan]

Not much time now, but a much more thorough post will come later tonight.

This was nearly 24 hours ago and your only post since then was very brief.

I'm also looking forward to this post.

Sorry, but I lost access for a dayish. Tearing Santos' post apart now.

[SensFan]

Following Sotty's advice (as I do need to learn more about mafia even though I've played numerous games), I will try and make this as clear and concise as possible regarding SensFan from the beginning of the game, until now as to you all should believe me as opposed to Sens' claim as the cop, his 'guilty' investigation of me and his 'innocent' result on Sotty.

For the last fucking time, "you should all now believe me" is useless, stupid, useless, dumb, useless, and scummy.

1) Post 99 cpe joined the game wanting to follow SensFan's lead because it is

often

a good idea.

Mind on explaining how that could

possibly

relate to my alignment?

2) Post 109 Sens tells cpe not to follow blindly (how is cpe following blindly by saying he respects the way Sens always posts great analysis?)

Because his following had nothing to do with what I had done this game, it was following by reputation. That is, by definition, blind following, and remarkably scummy.

3) Post 112 Sens becomes

very

defensive against a townie who is being pointed as following Sens.

Are we reading the same post? I just looked at that post, and I do not defend L_C at all. And if you're saying I'm too defensive of myself, all I did was point out that cpe was trying to tie my alignment to something I had no control of.
This looks like a case of "Here's an early Sens post, let's throw some mud at it!"

4) Post 120 a possible breadcrumb that Sens planned to claim cop later?

Why thank you for pointing that out, it

was

a breadcrumb.
*psst*you're not supposed to point out things that make my cop claim look stronger, but hey, I'm not complaining*psst*

5) Post 124 makes sense if Lamont was scum following Sens, but had anyone ever considered it the other way around?

I don't think there's anyone on-site that's been playing for as long as you, but would make a point that stupid (except possibly zwet).
As I pointed out numerous times that day, how the hell could someone following ME (especially a confirmed-Town) possibly relate at all to my fucking alignment?

6)

And what makes you think L_CScum wouldn't follow SensTown?

Unvote, Vote: cpe

Your logic just doesn't make sense, and I have a hard time believing its actually genuine.

So why the investigation of Sotty when most everyone decided to lynch Lamont who turned out to be a townie? Why not investigate cpe to help confirm your suspicions? Instead, you investigated Sotty which, so far, you have not provided much of a reason other than to settle your own suspicions.

Nice misrep. I specifically said I investigated who I did to AVOID just confirming my suspicions.

7) Post 129 is just what I'm thinking about.

I think cpe caught Sens the scum and not Sens the townie.

Why does Sens need to become incredibly brash and defensive about a Day 1 suspicion? Day 1 suspicions are always going to be extremely unwarranted in most cases because everyone will be suspcious of each other. I posted something regarding this on Sens' behavior when I joined that it seemed extremely unlike Sens to have such a different style this game as opposed to any other game he has played. But the fact he 'has never been a cop' also supports his 'different' play. However,

I don't want to ignore my gut that tells me cpe called out Sens the scum.

The two bolded parts show you still aren't even 'sure' that I am Scum. Come on guys, this is too easy.
You also feel the need to put in 's that I have never been a Cop. Nice attempt to discredit me; if you feel I lied about that, then link us to a game where I was a Cop. If you want a list of all my completed games, let me know.

8) Example: post 130 Sens becomes incredibly frustrated with cpe's accusation that Sens is being followed. Sens' hostility toward a totally legitimate analysation makes me incredibly suspicious of Sens' alignment.

Your arguments are just as ridiculously dumb as cpe's are, which reeks of Scum, since I clearly and repeatedly explained how his logic failed.
The fact that someone is doing something to me, especially a Town someone, cannot possibly have any bearing on my alignment.

9) Post 137, from Rusty makes me wonder if Sens' 'appealing to emotion' provides a reasonable scum-tell.

Whoo, another misrep!
In that post, Rusty agreed with me, and told cpe to stop being scummy in his response to me.
Of course, if you feel I appealed to emotion before that post (or anywhere in this game), let me know.

10)Post 140 by Sens just feels very WIFOM, IMO because I believe he is scum.

*Santos checks Wiki*
'Oh, so this WIFOM thing is sorta vague to explain, but scummy'
*Santos goes and calls a player WIFOM, something that he doesn't realize doesn't fit the definition at all*
--
Oh, and you only "believe

am scum"?

11)

Also the style of scum play I'm suggesting would be probably pretty stupid, and therefore may never happen.

But I think cpe actually found an answer in his 'flawed' logic. For such an obvious, stupid mistake Lamont made by following someone he has no idea about, he basically made himself look incredibly scummy. And it seems that Sens thought "I'll be damned to be brought down playing as scum by some stupid townie move that wants to follow me!" What do you all think about that thought process?

I think I might have lost brain cells just by reading it.
Seriously, the fact that L_C follows me has absolutely fucking nothing to do with my alignment. Stop trying to tie anything I do to being scummy.

12) Post 144 Sens again says Lamont's following and cpe's 'logic' for following Sens is bogus and does not matter whatsoever to what his alignment is to the discussion. I think it does. cpe may have suspected Lamont to be the scum following a townie, but why couldn't it be the other way around?

Didn't you make this point earlier?
Anyways, because its NOT A FUCKING ACTION THAT I AM DOING.

13)Post 146 Sens offers how ludicrous it is for cpe to think of the reasons for Lamont to follow Sens, but none of those options suggested the possibilitiy of Lamont the townie following Sens the scum. I think Sens wouldn't say that because it would obviously create a new tie for cpe to think about.

cpe's point, though dumb already, becomes ABSOLUTELY USELESS WHEN L_C FLIPPED TOWN. STOP TRYING TO MAKE EVERY POST I MAKE LOOK SCUMMY.

14) Cryptic post:

I'll appeal to the truth thank you because you will have to deal with it when I flip villager.

Johoolno inquired about your behavior and you were very aggressive with him. You became extremely aggressive with CPE. Its almost like you are trying to place yourself above criticism.

If someone else sees this aggressive behavior as a scum tell then I am willing to explore this possibility. Otherwise I am re-gathering myself and am not sure where to go atm.

Is it just me or is a majority of the consensus really observing Sens' behavior? Does this point us to something? I believe so since my predecessor noticed the same thing.

I'm an aggressive player, regardless of alignment.

15) After seeing Lamont go down in flames and turning townie because he truly believed he was townie, it just makes me feel stupid that I am doing the same thing. I feel like that is me posting to my death on Day 1 because reading the thread again I am now in support of lynching Sens moreso than ever.

*A nice misrep about the L_C lynch, him being lynched had nothing to do with him believing hs was Town.
**On that note, you're being the most obviously scum I've ever seen. EVERYONE WHO OPENS A ROLE PM THAT SAYS TOWN DOES NOT BELIEVE THEY ARE TOWN, THEY KNOW THEY ARE TOWN

And my last point, which amazingly has not be discussed, is the fact that Sens

is still alive

. Honestly, if he was the strongest player and admired for his abilities on Day 1, then why isn't he dead yet, especially considering that

he is the cop

? I find this crazy.

*You pointed to me 'being WIFOM' earlier in the thread. This point is the fucking definition of WIFOM.
(Except for the part about 'especially considering I'm the Cop', that part is just dumb. You haven't had a chance to kill me since I claimed Cop.)

So, that is why I think he is scum.

I think I've satisfactorily shown how this whole post is a hump of garbage.

Let me know if you have questions as I'm happy to discuss them.

I have a question, why are you making this so easy? Seriously, you might as well be claiming Scum.
To re=phrase that, so that you can respond, why are you supposedly not 100% absolutely, beyond-a-doubt positive that I'm Scum?

Confirm Vote: SensFan

Again, you REALLY seem to not be certain that I am Scum.

[SensFan]

Why is such a strong player

still alive

? Couple that with: why is such a formidable player, who also happens to be the cop, still alive this far into the game?

Maybe it has to do with the other points in your post...Sens taking out her aggression on confirmed townies would kind of make the scum more willing to keep her in, as far as I can see. On the other hand, your post had some very good points Santos, especially Sens not following up with the breadcrumb... There was something else I was going to say, but I already forgot it. If I remember what it was, I'll try to post it asap.

1) I'm a guy
2) What possible scum-motive is there for SensScum to fake a Cop crumb early on, then go on to fakeclaim Cop and not bring up the crumb?
3) I'll respond to Santos' post later, since its beyond useless. "Hey look I implied that Rusty could be telling Sens to stop appealing to emotion, but never said it, and you responded as if I had YOU MUST BE TEH GUILTY ONE AND YOU CANT BE A COP SINCE COPS DONT GET GUILTIES ON TOWNIES LOLOLOL"

[SensFan]

I think Sens said 'fuck it' because I'm a terrible mafia player.

Please tell me I'm misinterpretting this when I read it that you think I'm a terrible player.

---

To the rest of you, I'm really sorry that I haven't been here lately, thing have been stressing irl. I'll summarize everything I have to say tonight (within 12 hours from this post).

[SensFan]

What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

---

I'm REALLY sorry, but I am going to need about 12 hours more. Tonight was just too busy, and I'm going to bed. I promise I will make a nice post tomorrow morning, though.

[SensFan]

Whoa, Sens, chill out here

For the last fucking time, "you should all now believe me" is useless, stupid, useless, dumb, useless, and scummy.

I was creating a thesis for my defense against you which followed with my examples.

What the fuck are you talking about?

quote="Santos"]

Mind on explaining how that could possibly relate to my alignment?

It doesn't necessarilly pertain to your alignment

, but what I am looking at is your posting style and how you interact with other players. You've displayed the same aggression to several players the entire game constantly bashing their analysis. But these players have turned up to be town players, not scum players. So what is the point of being so abrasive? Oh, I know, you're doing a hell of a job as scum getting townies lynched for their inadequacies.[/quote]
I think the bolded part speaks for itself. He admits that the stuff he's pointing out has nothing to do with my alignment.

quote="Santos"]

Because his following had nothing to do with what I had done this game, it was following by reputation. That is, by definition, blind following, and remarkably scummy.

IMO, following strong players as a newbie is kinda smart and helps newbies get more knowledgeable in mafia. It is ignorant to the fact that they could be following scum, but it is not condemnable that they are scummy newbies trying to follow a strong player = hence my inclusion as to why you are still alive this far into the game. Why is such a strong player

still alive

? Couple that with: why is such a formidable player, who also happens to be the cop, still alive this far into the game? This leads me to believe you are scum. This is definitely going to piss you off when I say this, but IMO, if I were scum, I would have night killed you a long time ago because you are a good scum hunter. However, in this game, you have neglected to scum hunt, in turn, attacked newbie townies, which leads me to believe you have ulterior motives in your hostility towards the other players.[/quote]
I'm not going to answer why I'm still alive, since its something that I'm sure you know I have absolutely no control over. But I think you're actually showing everyone why I'm still alive - because you planned on using it against me.

quote="Santos"]

Are we reading the same post? I just looked at that post, and I do not defend L_C at all. And if you're saying I'm too defensive of myself, all I did was point out that cpe was trying to tie my alignment to something I had no control of.
This looks like a case of "Here's an early Sens post, let's throw some mud at it!"

I meant the latter part. You just seemed overly defensive and aggressive to what cpe was trying to establish in regard to newbies following more experienced players.
I think this pissed you off.[/quote]
A lot of stuff in this game piss me off.
L_C being Town, for example.
People voting me today when that means I lose, for another example.

quote="Santos"]

Why thank you for pointing that out,

it was a breadcrumb.

*psst*you're not supposed to point out things that make my cop claim look stronger, but hey, I'm not complaining*psst*

...A breadcrumb that you didn't follow up with later!

I think a breadcrumb would have been mentioned by a real cop if he were going to prove his innocence later in the game. If I were a cop in a game and left a breadcrumb, I certainly would have alluded to it when claiming the actual cop. Weird huh?[/quote]
I already told you, I have no experience with being a Cop!
That, and I would never leave a crumb in 99% of non-Newb games. Its simple, I left a crumb and then forgot about it. Something, imo, that Scum is even less likely to do, since (I know for me, anyways) Scum usually combs over every part of their posts before they ever fake a claim, in case wwhat they say counters something they've already said. That, and if I were Scum fakeclaiming, I could easily have denied that what you posted to was at all a crumb, since that's something I would say as Town, Cop, Doc, Scum, or anything else.

quote="Santos"]

I don't think there's anyone on-site that's been playing for as long as you, but would make a point that stupid (except possibly zwet).
As I pointed out numerous times that day, how the hell could someone following ME (especially a confirmed-Town) possibly relate at all to my fucking alignment?

Am I saying it pertains to your alignment? I don't recall saying that. Or are you asking me to provide a way that cpe's idea condemns you of your alignment? I think it is more based off a newbie player following an experienced player; a lazy newbie player at best. I only mention the alignment factor because cpe and Lamont ended up being townies. Now that you are calling my alignment out on this day as anti town, all I can say is no, you're wrong and the reason you are wrong is because you are a lying scum.[/quote]
If you weren't Scum, I'd say you're one of the worse players I've ever played with.
You made a post with all these reason why I'm supposedly Scum.
I counter those points, showing none of them reflect my alignment.
You admit that your points have nothing to do with my alignment.
Seriously, why aren't people lynching him?

quote="Santos"]

Nice misrep. I specifically said I investigated who I did to AVOID just confirming my suspicions.

Forgive me of my ignorance, but what do you mean? How is this helpful?[/quote]
I explained it already. Because I can accept (but be frustrated) if I lose to my reads being off. I don't like losing because I can't read people.

quote="Santos"]

The two bolded parts show you still aren't even 'sure' that I am Scum. Come on guys, this is too easy.
You also feel the need to put in 's that I have never been a Cop. Nice attempt to discredit me; if you feel I lied about that, then link us to a game where I was a Cop. If you want a list of all my completed games, let me know.

I don't feel you lied about never being a cop, but what it helps me realize is that you have also never claimed a cop playing as mafia. Of course I believe you are scum, I just wanted to point out the variances.[/quote]
Ummm...where did you get that I never fakeclaimed Cop? I've done that at least once that I can remember.

quote="Santos"]

Your arguments are just as ridiculously dumb as cpe's are, which reeks of Scum, since I clearly and repeatedly explained how his logic failed.
The fact that someone is doing something to me, especially a Town someone, cannot possibly have any bearing on my alignment.

Excuse me for being redundant, but who is being redundant now? Also, I reread the thread to provide further reasons as to why you are scum. I am not questioning your alignment myself, but for the sake of the other town players I have to come up with evidence as to why you are scummier than myself. You seem to think I am questioning your alignment. Well, man, you voted against me while claiming cop, so that definitely means I know you are scum claiming cop. However, as Sotty mentioned, I need to provide a case against you before they decide to go on your word that I am the bad guy.[/quote]
Again, you don't understand this game, or else don't understand how to play as Scum at this point.
If you admit that the points you are raising have nothing to do with my alignment, how can you possibly expect them to convince anyone else that I am Scum?

quote="Santos"]In post 450, I posted a '9' for a particular reason:

Whoo, another misrep!
In that post, Rusty agreed with me, and told cpe to stop being scummy in his response to me.
Of course, if you feel I appealed to emotion before that post (or anywhere in this game), let me know.

I wanted you to call me out for this. I intentionally wanted to have you comment on that because you're very particular at bashing statements made by new players in this game. Here, you're saying saying that I think you're 'appealing to emotion' when you most certainly are not. You're so hellbent on discrediting new players that it blinds you. You ask me to provide a place where you are appealing to emotion, but I know you have not. I simply wanted to test you again with your responses to ludicrous ideas such as "SensFan appeals to emotion". You're so gung-ho to say that I am wrong about everything that you never consider another side of an argument, or try to see why I am wrong and how I could correct myself. You want me lynched so bad right now that you're probably going to say 'fuck it' and not talk with me any further

...

[/quote]
Sorry, but that just isn't going to fly.
You made a post that implied that you thought Rusty accused me of Appealing to Emotion, so I responded to it. If that's in fact NOT what you were saying with that post, please, tell me exactly what you meant by that snippet. With exact details as to what you mean.

quote="Santos"]

*Santos checks Wiki*
'Oh, so this WIFOM thing is sorta vague to explain, but scummy'
*Santos goes and calls a player WIFOM, something that he doesn't realize doesn't fit the definition at all*

So this is your sarcastic way of saying I'm on the mafia's team or just a discredit to my lack of knowledge in the game; regardless of my alignment?[/quote]
You used a term that was apparently meant to call me scummy, but you used it completely in the wrong sense. Like if I called you red, it doesn't make sense.
town don't go around throwing around words they don't understand. Scum, on the other hand, could get panicky in a situation like you are in, and start throwing words they know makes other people scummy.

quote="Santos"]

Seriously, the fact that L_C follows me has absolutely fucking nothing to do with my alignment. Stop trying to tie anything I do to being scummy.

But in my defense, I have to provide ways to prove you are scum. Sens, you claimed cop calling me guilty, so I have to try my best to find ways to prove you are actually the bad guy.[/quote]
Are you admitting to making up reasons why I'm supposedly Scum?
I've tried reading this in every way imaginable, and that's the only meaning I get out of it.

quote="Santos"]

cpe's point, though dumb already, becomes ABSOLUTELY USELESS WHEN L_C FLIPPED TOWN. STOP TRYING TO MAKE EVERY POST I MAKE LOOK SCUMMY.

lol, capslock much? Is it working? [/quote]
If you were Town, and being lynched meant you would lose, you wouldn't be fucking around like this.

quote="Santos"]

I'm an aggressive player, regardless of alignment.

So after Lamont was lynched and cpe was lynched, you don't think your aggression was absurdly taken out on two townies? Don't you think you should apply your aggression to actual scum and catch a scum instead of seeing the ending day post with another townie lynched? If you truly call yourself pro town, then you are the worst pro town player in this game by getting townies lynched and advocating their lynches 100%, no ifs, ands or buts about it!

*A nice misrep about the L_C lynch, him being lynched had nothing to do with him believing hs was Town.

What?[/quote]
The best players on this site will be wrong more often then they are right. And that's in normal games, where there are far less Town players that play poorly.
Oh, and I find it really interesting that you're blaming me for lynching L_C and cpe.
*About L_C, there were 5 people voting him, I'm only one person
*About cpe, I WASN'T EVEN ON HIS LYNCH!!!

quote="Santos"]

You pointed to me 'being WIFOM' earlier in the thread. This point is the fucking definition of WIFOM.

Yes, you're very right, but the fact that you aren't dead in this game leads me to believe that the strongest player is on the scum team.[/quote]
And the fact that you keep saying that the fact the Scum chose not to kill me means that I must be Scum shows that you are Scum.

quote="Santos"]Sens,

I know you're scum

. Happy? I've known it since you claimed cop and said I'm guilty. I just figured in my pitched efforts to convince the others that you're scum it was apparent enough that I want

you, the mafia,

lynched by the end of today, and not me.[/quote]
You're not getting it.

[SensFan]

Whoa, Sens, chill out here

For the last fucking time, "you should all now believe me" is useless, stupid, useless, dumb, useless, and scummy.

I was creating a thesis for my defense against you which followed with my examples.

What the fuck are you talking about?

Mind on explaining how that could possibly relate to my alignment?

It doesn't necessarilly pertain to your alignment

, but what I am looking at is your posting style and how you interact with other players. You've displayed the same aggression to several players the entire game constantly bashing their analysis. But these players have turned up to be town players, not scum players. So what is the point of being so abrasive? Oh, I know, you're doing a hell of a job as scum getting townies lynched for their inadequacies.

I think the bolded part speaks for itself. He admits that the stuff he's pointing out has nothing to do with my alignment.

Because his following had nothing to do with what I had done this game, it was following by reputation. That is, by definition, blind following, and remarkably scummy.

IMO, following strong players as a newbie is kinda smart and helps newbies get more knowledgeable in mafia. It is ignorant to the fact that they could be following scum, but it is not condemnable that they are scummy newbies trying to follow a strong player = hence my inclusion as to why you are still alive this far into the game. Why is such a strong player

still alive

? Couple that with: why is such a formidable player, who also happens to be the cop, still alive this far into the game? This leads me to believe you are scum. This is definitely going to piss you off when I say this, but IMO, if I were scum, I would have night killed you a long time ago because you are a good scum hunter. However, in this game, you have neglected to scum hunt, in turn, attacked newbie townies, which leads me to believe you have ulterior motives in your hostility towards the other players.

I'm not going to answer why I'm still alive, since its something that I'm sure you know I have absolutely no control over. But I think you're actually showing everyone why I'm still alive - because you planned on using it against me.

Are we reading the same post? I just looked at that post, and I do not defend L_C at all. And if you're saying I'm too defensive of myself, all I did was point out that cpe was trying to tie my alignment to something I had no control of.
This looks like a case of "Here's an early Sens post, let's throw some mud at it!"

I meant the latter part. You just seemed overly defensive and aggressive to what cpe was trying to establish in regard to newbies following more experienced players.
I think this pissed you off.

A lot of stuff in this game piss me off.
L_C being Town, for example.
People voting me today when that means I lose, for another example.

Why thank you for pointing that out,

it was a breadcrumb.

*psst*you're not supposed to point out things that make my cop claim look stronger, but hey, I'm not complaining*psst*

...A breadcrumb that you didn't follow up with later!

I think a breadcrumb would have been mentioned by a real cop if he were going to prove his innocence later in the game. If I were a cop in a game and left a breadcrumb, I certainly would have alluded to it when claiming the actual cop. Weird huh?

I already told you, I have no experience with being a Cop!
That, and I would never leave a crumb in 99% of non-Newb games. Its simple, I left a crumb and then forgot about it. Something, imo, that Scum is even less likely to do, since (I know for me, anyways) Scum usually combs over every part of their posts before they ever fake a claim, in case wwhat they say counters something they've already said. That, and if I were Scum fakeclaiming, I could easily have denied that what you posted to was at all a crumb, since that's something I would say as Town, Cop, Doc, Scum, or anything else.

I don't think there's anyone on-site that's been playing for as long as you, but would make a point that stupid (except possibly zwet).
As I pointed out numerous times that day, how the hell could someone following ME (especially a confirmed-Town) possibly relate at all to my fucking alignment?

Am I saying it pertains to your alignment? I don't recall saying that. Or are you asking me to provide a way that cpe's idea condemns you of your alignment? I think it is more based off a newbie player following an experienced player; a lazy newbie player at best. I only mention the alignment factor because cpe and Lamont ended up being townies. Now that you are calling my alignment out on this day as anti town, all I can say is no, you're wrong and the reason you are wrong is because you are a lying scum.

If you weren't Scum, I'd say you're one of the worse players I've ever played with.
You made a post with all these reason why I'm supposedly Scum.
I counter those points, showing none of them reflect my alignment.
You admit that your points have nothing to do with my alignment.
Seriously, why aren't people lynching him?

Nice misrep. I specifically said I investigated who I did to AVOID just confirming my suspicions.

Forgive me of my ignorance, but what do you mean? How is this helpful?

I explained it already. Because I can accept (but be frustrated) if I lose to my reads being off. I don't like losing because I can't read people.

The two bolded parts show you still aren't even 'sure' that I am Scum. Come on guys, this is too easy.
You also feel the need to put in 's that I have never been a Cop. Nice attempt to discredit me; if you feel I lied about that, then link us to a game where I was a Cop. If you want a list of all my completed games, let me know.

I don't feel you lied about never being a cop, but what it helps me realize is that you have also never claimed a cop playing as mafia. Of course I believe you are scum, I just wanted to point out the variances.

Ummm...where did you get that I never fakeclaimed Cop? I've done that at least once that I can remember.

Your arguments are just as ridiculously dumb as cpe's are, which reeks of Scum, since I clearly and repeatedly explained how his logic failed.
The fact that someone is doing something to me, especially a Town someone, cannot possibly have any bearing on my alignment.

Excuse me for being redundant, but who is being redundant now? Also, I reread the thread to provide further reasons as to why you are scum. I am not questioning your alignment myself, but for the sake of the other town players I have to come up with evidence as to why you are scummier than myself. You seem to think I am questioning your alignment. Well, man, you voted against me while claiming cop, so that definitely means I know you are scum claiming cop. However, as Sotty mentioned, I need to provide a case against you before they decide to go on your word that I am the bad guy.

Again, you don't understand this game, or else don't understand how to play as Scum at this point.
If you admit that the points you are raising have nothing to do with my alignment, how can you possibly expect them to convince anyone else that I am Scum?

In post 450, I posted a '9' for a particular reason:

Whoo, another misrep!
In that post, Rusty agreed with me, and told cpe to stop being scummy in his response to me.
Of course, if you feel I appealed to emotion before that post (or anywhere in this game), let me know.

I wanted you to call me out for this. I intentionally wanted to have you comment on that because you're very particular at bashing statements made by new players in this game. Here, you're saying saying that I think you're 'appealing to emotion' when you most certainly are not. You're so hellbent on discrediting new players that it blinds you. You ask me to provide a place where you are appealing to emotion, but I know you have not. I simply wanted to test you again with your responses to ludicrous ideas such as "SensFan appeals to emotion". You're so gung-ho to say that I am wrong about everything that you never consider another side of an argument, or try to see why I am wrong and how I could correct myself. You want me lynched so bad right now that you're probably going to say 'fuck it' and not talk with me any further

...

Sorry, but that just isn't going to fly.
You made a post that implied that you thought Rusty accused me of Appealing to Emotion, so I responded to it. If that's in fact NOT what you were saying with that post, please, tell me exactly what you meant by that snippet. With exact details as to what you mean.

*Santos checks Wiki*
'Oh, so this WIFOM thing is sorta vague to explain, but scummy'
*Santos goes and calls a player WIFOM, something that he doesn't realize doesn't fit the definition at all*

So this is your sarcastic way of saying I'm on the mafia's team or just a discredit to my lack of knowledge in the game; regardless of my alignment?

You used a term that was apparently meant to call me scummy, but you used it completely in the wrong sense. Like if I called you red, it doesn't make sense.
town don't go around throwing around words they don't understand. Scum, on the other hand, could get panicky in a situation like you are in, and start throwing words they know makes other people scummy.

Seriously, the fact that L_C follows me has absolutely fucking nothing to do with my alignment. Stop trying to tie anything I do to being scummy.

But in my defense, I have to provide ways to prove you are scum. Sens, you claimed cop calling me guilty, so I have to try my best to find ways to prove you are actually the bad guy.

Are you admitting to making up reasons why I'm supposedly Scum?
I've tried reading this in every way imaginable, and that's the only meaning I get out of it.

cpe's point, though dumb already, becomes ABSOLUTELY USELESS WHEN L_C FLIPPED TOWN. STOP TRYING TO MAKE EVERY POST I MAKE LOOK SCUMMY.

lol, capslock much? Is it working?

If you were Town, and being lynched meant you would lose, you wouldn't be fucking around like this.

I'm an aggressive player, regardless of alignment.

So after Lamont was lynched and cpe was lynched, you don't think your aggression was absurdly taken out on two townies? Don't you think you should apply your aggression to actual scum and catch a scum instead of seeing the ending day post with another townie lynched? If you truly call yourself pro town, then you are the worst pro town player in this game by getting townies lynched and advocating their lynches 100%, no ifs, ands or buts about it!

*A nice misrep about the L_C lynch, him being lynched had nothing to do with him believing hs was Town.

What?

The best players on this site will be wrong more often then they are right. And that's in normal games, where there are far less Town players that play poorly.
Oh, and I find it really interesting that you're blaming me for lynching L_C and cpe.
*About L_C, there were 5 people voting him, I'm only one person
*About cpe, I WASN'T EVEN ON HIS LYNCH!!!

You pointed to me 'being WIFOM' earlier in the thread. This point is the fucking definition of WIFOM.

Yes, you're very right, but the fact that you aren't dead in this game leads me to believe that the strongest player is on the scum team.

And the fact that you keep saying that the fact the Scum chose not to kill me means that I must be Scum shows that you are Scum.

Sens,

I know you're scum

. Happy? I've known it since you claimed cop and said I'm guilty. I just figured in my pitched efforts to convince the others that you're scum it was apparent enough that I want

you, the mafia,

lynched by the end of today, and not me.

You're not getting it.

[SensFan]

Sens who do you think is Santos scum partner?

Sorry, haven't had time to keep going past the Santos post, though I will later.

It can't be anyone but Semi, or I would have been lynched and the game over.

[SensFan]

I'm not really sure what there is left to refute, Sotty. *I've presented my case, I've shown evidence why I know he's scum, and I plan to keep my vote where it is today. If you really believe I should answer his questions before letting you guys give a crack at it, then it just seems like we're going to dilute the discussion altogether and then its just going to be a 'my dick is bigger than your's discussion that is going to pertain to game play as opposed to actual scum hunting.

1) SensFan has just answered my accusations as to why I think he is scum.
2) *He has not pulled out evidence from the rest of the game to present it to you guys as to why I would more likely be scum than him.
3) He has not scum hunted.

Otherwise, we can lynch Semi since we all seem to agree that he is the scum partner? No one has brought that up. Maybe we should discuss this alternative?

Oh, and one thing I

do

want to comment on:

Its simple, I left a crumb and then forgot about it.

But you said it was a breadcrumb. But then you now forgot. But the initial intention of a breadcrumb is to bring it up later, amirite? FAIL. That is like saying your forgot that you are the cop! If you have adequate evidence verifying your claim, then use it!

I want you to answer to the several times you admit that your arguments have no bearing on my alignment, but are fabricated to make me look scummy.

To the rest of you, is it not telling enough that he can't find anything scummy about me at all that he admits to having to fake things for the sake of trying to convince the rest of you?

And yes, I completely forgot I left that crumb. But you didn't respond to anything I posted there, conviniently.
Why is fakeclaiming Scum more likely to forget about leaving a fakecrumb than an actual Cop?
What about the fact that fakeclaims have to be checked, rechecked, edited, redited and gone over way more finely than any legitimate claim?
If I were fakeclaiming, why wouldn't I just deny that it was a crumb, given that it was also a perfectly innocent post?

[SensFan]

Oh, and as for your argument that further discussion between the two of us would only dilute discussion, that's just because you can't find any reasons to show that I'm supposedly Scum, and you seem to think we're supposed to make up stuff about each other.

[SensFan]

There is no where you'll find me making a case and then changing my mind.

Did you not read my post, where I quoted you?
You admit to having used arguments that don't relate to my alignment.

Oh, and I expect an answer to the part about Rusty's words.

[SensFan]

Santos was chosen because he is my partner and we agreed to do it last night.

That's all from me, folks!

[SensFan]

Sorry, one last thing.
Kill Scotty tonight, he's on to you.

[SensFan]

You should have let me ask you to help me lynch Semi, Sens :p

You'll get us the win tomorrow.
I trust you.

[SensFan]

1) No, the QT link will not be posted. I do not want it posted, sorry.
2) The friggin 'creadcrumb', another reason why I find Newb games so frustrating. That wasn't at all a breadcrumb, I don't EVER breadcrumb ANYTHING. But with the (nothing personal, this is a NEwb game afterall) ridiculousness of Santos' attacks, and the way people somehow (I still don't get it - I would have lynched him immediately if I was Town) accepted him as Town, people would have accused me of lying if I had denyed it being a crumb.
3) Sorry L_C, but you're wrong; dead wrong. Nothing I said or did D1 had anything to do with Scum, you were just a very easy lynch.
4) Yeah, it shows that I've never been a Cop - that claim was absolutely terrible. While my logic about not wasting investigations on people I can read is (in theory) what I do as a Cop in a normal game, in a Newb game, it would be absolutely stupid to just trust that the scummy Newbs are Scum.

If I can think of anything else, I'll say it.

[SensFan]

3) Sorry L_C, but you're wrong; dead wrong. Nothing I said or did D1 had anything to do with Scum, you were just a very easy lynch.

Precisely my point and you paid with your life and the game.

No, you missed the point

completely

.

If we joined another Newb game, I was given a Town role, and you played the exact same way, I would fight as hard as possible for your lynch, and wouldn't apologize, feel bad, or regret anything if you flipped Town.

[SensFan]

When Santos finally posted an actual case, it looked to me that SensFan's case wasn't as strong as Santos' possibility of being town

Sorry, but no.

My case was way stronger than Santos'.

[SensFan]

2) The friggin 'creadcrumb', another reason why I find Newb games so frustrating. That wasn't at all a breadcrumb, I don't EVER breadcrumb ANYTHING. But with the (nothing personal, this is a NEwb game afterall) ridiculousness of Santos' attacks, and the way people somehow (I still don't get it - I would have lynched him immediately if I was Town) accepted him as Town, people would have accused me of lying if I had denyed it being a crumb.

That was my whole point. If you ignored it, then I would win. If you admitted it, then I would win. The fact that you played into my 'this seems like a breadcrumb' was the biggest thing I had against you when you acknowledged it.

Then I'm sorry, but you don't understand what that day was about at all, something I (truthfully) said several times over the course of that day.

You're not trying to trip me up, you're not trying to use the fact you know I'm Scum. You have to find stuff that would make you think I was Scum EVEN IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW I WAS.

[SensFan]

Can I ask, why the cop claim?

Really Santos probably could have been forced to the rope without it.

*shrug* I thought we would have lynched semi without the Cop claim, and then I had to either leave you alive in a 3p endgame (something I didn't want), or else have to leave ckool alive, who apparently didn't see that Santos wasn't making sense.

That, and the fact I was certain Santos would completely self-destruct when I claimed a Guilty on him, and he did.

What I find unfortunate is that now Santos thinks he actually played that Day well, and he's going to suffer HARD in non-Newb games if he doesn't learn that he's wrong.

[SensFan]

I think the newbie's played well

Rusty, ckool, muzz played well.
Santos, cpe, L_C will be lynched in any non-Newb game in which they play like they did here.