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Whoops. That was my bad.
(Unvote), Vote: Rusty(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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The above post has turned my joking vote for Rusty into a serious vote.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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If you're joking, I'll warn you now that you should be more serious.Rustythepirate wrote:I've obviously nailed your scum-partner, and now you're just trying to get rid of me. It's not going to work.
If you're not joking, please tell me why in the world you think Johoo and I are buddies due to my dislike for random votes.
Huh?Lamont_Cranston wrote:HeySensfan! You were great in Catatonia!(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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Yep.Rustythepirate wrote:Oddly enough I saw a game in which you started the game by asking everyone a question, which effectively eliminated the random voting stage.
While that's without doubt a good strategy to get the game moving, its important to note that I was Scum in that game, and the questions were definatively slanted to give me a huge advantage.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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I read throught the first pages of the Catatonia game and you were great there! You basically stated that the random stage votes are an essential way to find mafi.Lamont_Cranston wrote:
Huh?Lamont_Cranston wrote:HeySensfan! You were great in Catatonia!
Basically, your theory in a nutshell boils down to "if there is voting there is the means to fins the scum".[/quote]
Yep, that's the theory.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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ckool5000 wrote:Wow, am I good or what?I haven't even said anything worthwhileand I have three votes on me!(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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That's somewhat valid.ckool5000 wrote:Ooh! Ooh! I know! I know! Pick me teacher! Pick me!....
Er... Ignore that.... I've learned from some other game that a few people don't like FoS because it's practically saying "I think you should all gang up on this guy, but I don't want to vote for him myself so I won't get accused of bandwagoning." Of course, I completely disagree with that, but still...
**** it! I was going to say something else, but I forgot it already! Has that ever happened to you?
If you have a vote on someone else, a FoS is fine.
If the person you suspect is at L-1, a FoS is fine.
Otherwise, you should be voting them.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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What change?Johoohno wrote:@ SensFan:What's with the change in play style?(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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You've been around more than long enough to not use crap attacks like that. At the time of your question, we had been on this page for about 12 hours.Johoohno wrote:
At the first page of this game you seemed eager to get it on the move from randomness to content, whereas you on this last page has added ICish information only, and no content.SensFan wrote:
What change?Johoohno wrote:@ SensFan:What's with the change in play style?(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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I refresh my list of games probably at least 10 times an hour, for the most part. If there's a new post, I'll read it. If its a question to me, I'll answer - especially an IC-question. Otherwise, a couple of times a day I'll sit down and really hammer out some posts. Yesterday, I was involved in a heated debate in another game, and that took most of my time.Johoohno wrote:You seem to be watching the thread (looking at the time stamp you replied both my posts in an amazingly timely manner), but avoid posting content (only said replies and IC-info, and it goes back on page two). It is not the feeling I got from your style on page one.
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(Unvote,) Vote: Johoohno, I REALLY don't like how you're making a big deal out of me going about 24 hours without posting a ton of analysis.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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Not sure.Lamont_Cranston wrote:Sensfan, do you think Johool's attack has anything to do with the fact that your vote was on ckool at all?
It was pretty obvious why I voted ckool, though.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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MOD: What are the EXACT contents of the post (of Rusty's) that he mentions got deleted?
The post contained nothing but a request to correct errors in the vote count. These errors have been corrected. Since the post was administrative in nature only, contained no other information, and violated rule A-3, it was deleted. If you have further concerns about this, please PM me.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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If you're going to give outlandish statements like that, you need to back them up in considerable detail.Lamont_Cranston wrote:Before CPE arrived, I became convinced that the two BW choices were both Village. I refuse to participate in the village lynching itself.
CPE, don't blindly follow me.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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Actually, even if (and this is a big if) L_C was following me because he's Scum, then backed off when called out, it has NO bearing on my alignment.cpe wrote:It does seem a little like a footbullet doesn't it...
My logic was as follows.
Lamont_Cranston followed SensFen.
Their mutual target commented on this following.
Lamont_Cranston then switched.
Possible conclusion, Lamont_Cranston was scum, was following his fellow scum, but on hearing it implied he' s switched away.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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Because I don't want you following me...cpe wrote:Why has SensFen tole me not to follow him after I said that I've realised it was a bad idea, stopped doing so, and accused him of being scum?(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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Not sure yet.Johoohno wrote:
Fair enough. On another topic, what do you think of Lamont_Cranston following you on pretty much everything?SensFan wrote: I refresh my list of games probably at least 10 times an hour, for the most part. If there's a new post, I'll read it. If its a question to me, I'll answer - especially an IC-question. Otherwise, a couple of times a day I'll sit down and really hammer out some posts. Yesterday, I was involved in a heated debate in another game, and that took most of my time.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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No we won't. Cop shouldn't claim tomorrow, if we even have one.cpe wrote:I like the idea of a fast-ish lynch because we have a lot more information after the night.
Why? For having someone follow me?cpe wrote:While I'm also very suspicious of SensFan.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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What the fuck does that have to do with me?cpe wrote:I'm suspicious of you for having someone follow you and then veer away.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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You're missing the point. Absolutely NOTHING in there has ANYTHING to do with me. Its all to do with L_C.cpe wrote:My theory was that as they veered away after it was mentioned that they were following you, it could imply that they had been following you because you were both mafia but with someone suggesting even vaguely that that was what they were doing they've jumped away to try and hide the fact that you're both mafia. I've explained this three times now, maybe my logics bad, but I think it makes sense.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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And what makes you think L_CScum wouldn't follow SensTown?cpe wrote:You're missing the point, it requires you to be scum for him to have been following you as a fellow scum. (I'm assuming the scum know who the other scum are at this point, am I mistaken?)
Unvote, Vote: cpe
Your logic just doesn't make sense, and I have a hard time believing its actually genuine.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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You're still COMPLETELY missing the point.cpe wrote:It was the sudden switch away after being pointed at, which made me think it may imply something about you.
Note,might, I just currently think I have more reason to be suspicious of L_C and you than of anyone else.
There is absolutely NO case against me to be made from something that has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with me. Whether I am Scum, Town, Cult, SK, or even not fucking playing, it wouldn't stop/help L_C from following me.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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So if I started following you, that makes you Scum?cpe wrote:And surely a follow could imply something about the person being followed.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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If I hear bullshit arguments, I attack them.cpe wrote:if anything your reaction to my comment seems like more potential grounds for suspicion than the logic was in the first place, but then your reaction could be explained by something else.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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You're still not seeing that LC following me has absolutely NOTHING to do with my alignment. Absolutely nothing. Zero.cpe wrote:Adding to the above, the style of scum play I'm suggesting pretty much requires the following scum to decide that what they've been doing is stupid...
Could maybe be done by a newbie, hmm, yeah, I think my logic could work if L_C is a newbie and didn't think things through at the start of the game. Alternatively there are quite a few other explanations... I have less faith in my chain of logic by the second...(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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He could be following with me because I'm his buddy.cpe wrote:]But can't you at least acknowledge that following a fellow scum is a potential motive for a follow?
He could be following with me because he wants me to look like his buddy.
He could be following with me because he thinks I'm a good player.
He could be following with me because I'm from Canada.
He could be following with me because the voices in his head told him to.
You could be attacking me for this because I'm your buddy.
You could be attacking me for this because you want me to look like your buddy.
You could be attacking me for this because you think I'm a good player.
You could be attacking me for this because I'm from Canada.
You could be attacking me for this because the voices in your head told you to.
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Do you see my point?(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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No, I don't support lynching a dead villager. You're not dead, nor necessarily a villager. Stop appealing to emotion.Lamont_Cranston wrote:@sensfan: and so you support a lynch when I flip villager then?
Examples?Lamont_Cranston wrote:I will also say that I have noticed that Sensfan has been rather abrasive with people that have inquired about his game behavior.
"If there's enough support for a Sens wagon, I'll jump on that. If not, I'll need to find another wagon to jump on."Lamont_Cranston wrote:If anyone else has noticed this and would like to vote him, I will join in that. Othwerwise at this point I am open to ideas.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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Stop fucking appealing to emotion. It is HURTING your case, since its a completely invalid, illogical, and unfounded argument.Lamont_Cranston wrote:Well don't blame me when I flip village.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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No, I won't have to deal with SHIT ALL.Lamont_Cranston wrote:Stop fucking telling me what to do -- face it you are going to have to DEAL WITH IT when I flip village -- FACE AND and stop whining!
In fact, I will say right now, that even IF you flip Villager, I won't regret supporting your lynch.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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No, its not.Lamont_Cranston wrote:LOL wow that is so anti-village but I guess thats just you hey Sens?
You're playing on emotion, you're not playing logically, and its a lynch. I never EVER regret being on a wagon.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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Nope. In fact, I am fully aware I'll participate in a Town lynch just as, if not more, often than I participate in a Scum lynch.Lamont_Cranston wrote:That is just dumb and its an arrogant anti-village attitude.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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No, its not. At least, not for me.cpe wrote:Aggression isn't necessarily scummy, but it's more scummy than nothing...(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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There's always at least 1-2 Newbs who think I'm completely obvscum in these games. Look up my previous games, it has nothing to do with my alignment.Lamont_Cranston wrote:I think I've had enough of talking with Sens for the moment. I do find him to be quite anti-village and am beginning to suspect that in this case it means more than just his "regular" behavior but its only my opinion and I'm waiting for input from others.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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What case against me? The one where I'm aggressive and won't apologize if I'm on a Town wagon?cpe wrote:Ok, now I think it's very hard to say anything. The bulk of day 1 was L_C needs to be lynched, but now he's gone and he wasn't scum. The case against Sens_Fan is nowhere near as solid as it was when there was the possibility of it being Sens and L_C, and we know almost nothing about semioldguy.
If so, explain why that's scummy (hint: its not).
If not, explain the case on me.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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Its nothing but a nulltell, definatively not a towntell.semioldguy wrote:
Happening three hours after your first post of the day, to me this reads as someone who wasn't paying a whole lot of attention to the night kill and more likely to be a townie in my opinion. For now you have gone down considerably in suspicion by me.ckool5000 wrote:Oh... I just now read that muzzz was killed...
It would be VERY easy to fake that sort of thing.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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That makes it even more suspect, if he thinks he can fool you by repeating the same scummy play that he did as Town.Rustythepirate wrote:@SensFan - Generally, the attitudeyou think ckool5000 is faking was prevalent in a game I had with him in which he died as town, so I'm inclined to accept it.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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I disagree. I often vote without reasons, especially early in the day.[/quote]Sotty7 wrote:
Ditto [to not being helpful]SensFan Post 275 wrote:Vote: ckool(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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It's a bad idea to post a complete list. Just the top few scummy ones is best.ckool5000 wrote:Plus, it shows what someone's opinions are, in case who they think was most scummy on the list turns out to be scum, then you can be pretty sure that they're town... Or a scum bussing his partner. In other words, it's a way for people to get information about the person making the list, and for the list-maker, it's a way to keep your thoughts organized if you don't want to use the "notes" section.
Sorry, I just wanted to plug in my two cents... Make that one cent, because I don't really have much of a clue who to suspect...
Oh, and I'll post a list of voting patterns for you guys soon, just in case it might be any help.
No one else should post a list of more than the 3 people they find scummiest.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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I was gone this weekend (as the sig said).
Catching up, then will post later.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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Yeah, I'm not a fan of semioldguy's attack on Rusty.
Unvote, Vote: semi(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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Ugh. I hate ICs that flake.
Technicallly he was an SE.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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I still think you're Scum.semioldguy wrote:@ cpe and SensFan:
You both come back from your prods and produce no content in your post. Provide more content please.
I still think your 'attack' on Rusty is full of crap.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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JUST SO EVERYONE IS AWARE, I WILL BE OUT OF TOWN FROM FRIDAY (TOMORROW) AFTERNOON (EST) UNTIL SOMETIME SUNDAY AFTERNOON-EVENING (ALSO EST). I WILL NOT HAVE ACCESS THEN, AND SO WILL NOT BE POSTING IN THAT TIMEFRAME.
Mod told me to announce it in-thread next time.
No. I told you to follow the rules which say to PM me.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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Vote: Santos
I'm a Cop, he's Scum.
Night 1, Scotty-Innocent
Night 2, Santos-Scum
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Everyone, in your very next post, has to say if they are counter-claiming me or not.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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Sure.Sotty7 wrote:
No counter claim here, but could you explain your investigation choices?SensFan Post 401 wrote:Everyone, in your very next post, has to say if they are counter-claiming me or not.
Scotty (Night 1) - I couldn't read you really the first day. The combination of that, and you being the other IC, made you the logical investigation choice.
Santos (Night 2) - He was suspected by several, and Johoohno hadn't been easy to read (and could no longer account for his actions). I didn't want to be in LyLo without knowing his alignment.
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If Santos was Town, I'd be confirmed Scum right now. There is absolutely no reason for him not to be voting me if he was Town, whereas Scum might be tentative of how natural it would seem to vote me right after I voted him.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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If I am Town, Scotty is Town.ckool5000 wrote:I very easily see a semioldguy/Santos pairing, but I'm also having trouble believing that Sotty7 is innocent.
Therefore, is Scotty is Scum, I must be Scum.
So if you think Scotty is Scum, then you think the Scumpair is Sens/Scotty, and that both ICs are Scum.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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Why so much doubt, Santos?Santos wrote:SensFan, a question:
Setup wrote:This is a Newbie F11 Setup. The structure of the game has been randomly chosen from one of the below:
- 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Sane Cop, 1 Doctor, 5 Townspeople
- 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Goon, 7 Townspeople
- 2 Mafia Goons, 1 Sane Cop, 6 Townspeople
- 2 Mafia Goons, 1 Doctor, 6 TownspeopleHow can we trust you are the cop?There is no way to prove that you are telling the truth unless we are in setup 1 in which the doctor would be obligated to claim (which is BAD)
or setup 3 in which we would have to look back at your posting style this game. And see if you are a scum claiming cop to ensure you look as pro town as possible because your play so far has appeared neither scummy nor town. You have not scumhunted from what I can remember, but only provided short, snide posts at other players which in no way displays allegiance, just aggression towards play style.
If you are indeed the cop, then you are NOT a sane copbecause word per word I am townie as described in the Newbie F11 setup. So basically,everyone would have to trust you. Well I'm not, sorry.
So how does everyone else trust you? They shouldn't, IMO, but given that you 'have the experience' you could definitely be the trickiest scum claimer they've ever seen; butI'm not buying it.
So, I am ready to vote because this is what I know:
1) He is scum claiming cop. A REAL cop does not get guilty results in Newbie F11 setups because I am townie.
2) He is scum either covering his partner Scotty (which would be simply stupid) or he is KNOWINGLY saying that Scotty is townie because he is scum and knows she's townie via setup 3.
3) His vote on his partner semioldguy in Day 2 was to divert the town's attention away from him the rest of the day which played it safe for him to claim cop on Day 3.
Vote: SensFan
Town, I hope you make the right decision, because IT CANNOT FAIL lynching SensFan as the real cop because that would contradict the game setup appointed by the host.
Also, we cannot ignore the fact that ckcool/Scoty might also be his partner, but as I stated before I believe semioldguy/SensFan are our scum in this game.
GL
If you were Town, there wouldn't be a SINGLE question in your mind that I am Scum. But all the points I bolded show that you're trying to figure out whether I'm Scum, or that you're deciding 'not to believe' me.
As I said before, if Santos was Town, there would be no doubt in his mind. The reason you are seeing so much hesitation and doubt from him is because he is Scum, and thinks that it might look too scummy for him just to vote me for having claimed a Guilty on him.
Even after I pointed out that SantosTown would have voted me simply for claiming a Guilty on him, he still didn't do it; Scum usually hesistate to do anything someone says they would be doing as Town.
In short, he got caught by me, and has no idea how to try and get out of it, and the unnaturalism of his reaction shows that plainly. Town don't need to try and figure out what is natural, Town would know immediately that anyone claiming a Guilty on them has to be Scum.
By the way Santos. You say that the Town has no reason to trust me 100%, and that's completely true. But Scum also doesn't know if there is or isn't a Cop in the set-up, there's a 50-50 chance. Now, its LyLo already, and no Scum have been lynched. So what possible reason would SensScum have to fakeclaim Cop with a Guilty and an Innocent, both on alive players?
If I was Scum:
*If Scotty was the Cop, I'm outed as Scum
*If someone other than you/Scotty was the Cop, both you and them would know I was Scum
That would be an absolutely stupid risk to take; if I were Scum I'd be playing it safe today and looking for a mislynch, especially since its not like I was a top suspect of anyone.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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You repeating over and over again that you're a Townie won't convince anyone.Santos wrote:Cops don't get guilty results on townies, dude. You're lying so much you're horizontal with the Earth.
I've explained why you're Scum beyond the fact that I know it through investigation. Your response to this reeks of someone who has no clue how aggressively he can push without looking scummy.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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You can't just say you're a Townie over and over again and expect people to eventually just trust youSantos wrote:Just vote old man if you're so sure. You know who you are, just leave it up for others to decide.I've presented the facts and they are undeniable: cops in newbie F11 setups do not investigate townies to be guilty. Period.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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Right.Santos wrote:You can't just say you're aTownieCOPover and over again and expect people to eventually just trust you
And not once have I said "Look people, I'm a Cop and I got a Guilty so he's obviously Scum, now go lynch him!"
I claimed Cop, told them I have a Guilty on you (so that they will lynch either me or you), and have consequently shown that you are not acting in a manner that would be consitent with being Town. You are too focussed on making sure you don't look scummy, and so you're trying to judge how much you can 'get away with' attacking me. What you don't seem to get (because you're not Town) is that if you were Town you would know 100% that I am Scum, and wouldn't be dancing around with "I don't believe the Cop claim" statements.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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I already explained the rationale for investigating Santos, which he conviniently didn't so much asSotty7 wrote:
This however is an excellent point. Sens?Santos Post 432 wrote:Also, SensFan, I don't want an actual reason about Day 2 from you, its a little too late for you to offer that because obviously you'll want to say something now that I've point that out once again, but I would like ckool5000 and semi to give some thoughts on why Sens just derailed his own scum hunt to investigate me last night as opposed to confirming his Day 2 option on Semi.mention.
To expand on that, I have my faults as a player, as do everyone; wishy-washiness isSensFan wrote:Santos (Night 2) - He was suspected by several, and Johoohno hadn't been easy to read (and could no longer account for his actions). I didn't want to be in LyLo without knowing his alignment.most certainlynot one of them. Therefore, I don't waste Cop investigations on people I suspect; if I suspect them, it means I have enough information on them to get a (at least) decent read, and if my read is wrong, then so be it. Instead, I use my investigations on people I don't have much (if any) of a read on, especially going into LyLo.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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Not much time now, but a much more thorough post will come later tonight.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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I just did a check, I haven't played as Cop before.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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Sorry, but I lost access for a dayish. Tearing Santos' post apart now.Sotty7 wrote:
I'm also looking forward to this post.semioldguy Post 446 wrote:
This was nearly 24 hours ago and your only post since then was very brief.SensFan wrote:Not much time now, but a much more thorough post will come later tonight.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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For the last fucking time, "you should all now believe me" is useless, stupid, useless, dumb, useless, and scummy.Santos wrote:Following Sotty's advice (as I do need to learn more about mafia even though I've played numerous games), I will try and make this as clear and concise as possible regarding SensFan from the beginning of the game, until now as to you all should believe me as opposed to Sens' claim as the cop, his 'guilty' investigation of me and his 'innocent' result on Sotty.
Mind on explaining how that couldSantos wrote:1) Post 99 cpe joined the game wanting to follow SensFan's lead because it isoftena good idea.possiblyrelate to my alignment?
Because his following had nothing to do with what I had done this game, it was following by reputation. That is, by definition, blind following, and remarkably scummy.Santos wrote:2) Post 109 Sens tells cpe not to follow blindly (how is cpe following blindly by saying he respects the way Sens always posts great analysis?)
Are we reading the same post? I just looked at that post, and I do not defend L_C at all. And if you're saying I'm too defensive of myself, all I did was point out that cpe was trying to tie my alignment to something I had no control of.Santos wrote:3) Post 112 Sens becomesverydefensive against a townie who is being pointed as following Sens.
This looks like a case of "Here's an early Sens post, let's throw some mud at it!"
Why thank you for pointing that out, itSantos wrote:4) Post 120 a possible breadcrumb that Sens planned to claim cop later?wasa breadcrumb.
*psst*you're not supposed to point out things that make my cop claim look stronger, but hey, I'm not complaining*psst*
I don't think there's anyone on-site that's been playing for as long as you, but would make a point that stupid (except possibly zwet).Santos wrote:5) Post 124 makes sense if Lamont was scum following Sens, but had anyone ever considered it the other way around?
As I pointed out numerous times that day, how the hell could someone following ME (especially a confirmed-Town) possibly relate at all to my fucking alignment?
Nice misrep. I specifically said I investigated who I did to AVOID just confirming my suspicions.Santos wrote:6)
So why the investigation of Sotty when most everyone decided to lynch Lamont who turned out to be a townie? Why not investigate cpe to help confirm your suspicions? Instead, you investigated Sotty which, so far, you have not provided much of a reason other than to settle your own suspicions.Sens wrote:And what makes you think L_CScum wouldn't follow SensTown?
Unvote, Vote: cpe
Your logic just doesn't make sense, and I have a hard time believing its actually genuine.
The two bolded parts show you still aren't even 'sure' that I am Scum. Come on guys, this is too easy.Santos wrote:7) Post 129 is just what I'm thinking about.I think cpe caught Sens the scum and not Sens the townie.Why does Sens need to become incredibly brash and defensive about a Day 1 suspicion? Day 1 suspicions are always going to be extremely unwarranted in most cases because everyone will be suspcious of each other. I posted something regarding this on Sens' behavior when I joined that it seemed extremely unlike Sens to have such a different style this game as opposed to any other game he has played. But the fact he 'has never been a cop' also supports his 'different' play. However,I don't want to ignore my gut that tells me cpe called out Sens the scum.
You also feel the need to put in 's that I have never been a Cop. Nice attempt to discredit me; if you feel I lied about that, then link us to a game where I was a Cop. If you want a list of all my completed games, let me know.
Your arguments are just as ridiculously dumb as cpe's are, which reeks of Scum, since I clearly and repeatedly explained how his logic failed.Santos wrote:8) Example: post 130 Sens becomes incredibly frustrated with cpe's accusation that Sens is being followed. Sens' hostility toward a totally legitimate analysation makes me incredibly suspicious of Sens' alignment.
The fact that someone is doing something to me, especially a Town someone, cannot possibly have any bearing on my alignment.
Whoo, another misrep!Santos wrote:9) Post 137, from Rusty makes me wonder if Sens' 'appealing to emotion' provides a reasonable scum-tell.
In that post, Rusty agreed with me, and told cpe to stop being scummy in his response to me.
Of course, if you feel I appealed to emotion before that post (or anywhere in this game), let me know.
*Santos checks Wiki*Santos wrote:10)Post 140 by Sens just feels very WIFOM, IMO because I believe he is scum.
'Oh, so this WIFOM thing is sorta vague to explain, but scummy'
*Santos goes and calls a player WIFOM, something that he doesn't realize doesn't fit the definition at all*
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Oh, and you only "believeam scum"?
I think I might have lost brain cells just by reading it.Santos wrote:11)
But I think cpe actually found an answer in his 'flawed' logic. For such an obvious, stupid mistake Lamont made by following someone he has no idea about, he basically made himself look incredibly scummy. And it seems that Sens thought "I'll be damned to be brought down playing as scum by some stupid townie move that wants to follow me!" What do you all think about that thought process?cpe wrote:Also the style of scum play I'm suggesting would be probably pretty stupid, and therefore may never happen.
Seriously, the fact that L_C follows me has absolutely fucking nothing to do with my alignment. Stop trying to tie anything I do to being scummy.
Didn't you make this point earlier?Santos wrote:12) Post 144 Sens again says Lamont's following and cpe's 'logic' for following Sens is bogus and does not matter whatsoever to what his alignment is to the discussion. I think it does. cpe may have suspected Lamont to be the scum following a townie, but why couldn't it be the other way around?
Anyways, because its NOT A FUCKING ACTION THAT I AM DOING.
cpe's point, though dumb already, becomes ABSOLUTELY USELESS WHEN L_C FLIPPED TOWN. STOP TRYING TO MAKE EVERY POST I MAKE LOOK SCUMMY.Santos wrote:13)Post 146 Sens offers how ludicrous it is for cpe to think of the reasons for Lamont to follow Sens, but none of those options suggested the possibilitiy of Lamont the townie following Sens the scum. I think Sens wouldn't say that because it would obviously create a new tie for cpe to think about.
I'm an aggressive player, regardless of alignment.Santos wrote:14) Cryptic post:
Is it just me or is a majority of the consensus really observing Sens' behavior? Does this point us to something? I believe so since my predecessor noticed the same thing.Lamont wrote:I'll appeal to the truth thank you because you will have to deal with it when I flip villager.
Johoolno inquired about your behavior and you were very aggressive with him. You became extremely aggressive with CPE. Its almost like you are trying to place yourself above criticism.
If someone else sees this aggressive behavior as a scum tell then I am willing to explore this possibility. Otherwise I am re-gathering myself and am not sure where to go atm.
*A nice misrep about the L_C lynch, him being lynched had nothing to do with him believing hs was Town.Santos wrote:15) After seeing Lamont go down in flames and turning townie because he truly believed he was townie, it just makes me feel stupid that I am doing the same thing. I feel like that is me posting to my death on Day 1 because reading the thread again I am now in support of lynching Sens moreso than ever.
**On that note, you're being the most obviously scum I've ever seen. EVERYONE WHO OPENS A ROLE PM THAT SAYS TOWN DOES NOT BELIEVE THEY ARE TOWN, THEY KNOW THEY ARE TOWN
*You pointed to me 'being WIFOM' earlier in the thread. This point is the fucking definition of WIFOM.Santos wrote:And my last point, which amazingly has not be discussed, is the fact that Sensis still alive. Honestly, if he was the strongest player and admired for his abilities on Day 1, then why isn't he dead yet, especially considering thathe is the cop? I find this crazy.
(Except for the part about 'especially considering I'm the Cop', that part is just dumb. You haven't had a chance to kill me since I claimed Cop.)
I think I've satisfactorily shown how this whole post is a hump of garbage.Santos wrote:So, that is why I think he is scum.
I have a question, why are you making this so easy? Seriously, you might as well be claiming Scum.Santos wrote:Let me know if you have questions as I'm happy to discuss them.
To re=phrase that, so that you can respond, why are you supposedly not 100% absolutely, beyond-a-doubt positive that I'm Scum?
Again, you REALLY seem to not be certain that I am Scum.Santos wrote:Confirm Vote: SensFan(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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1) I'm a guyckool5000 wrote:
Maybe it has to do with the other points in your post...Sens taking out her aggression on confirmed townies would kind of make the scum more willing to keep her in, as far as I can see. On the other hand, your post had some very good points Santos, especially Sens not following up with the breadcrumb... There was something else I was going to say, but I already forgot it. If I remember what it was, I'll try to post it asap.Santos wrote: Why is such a strong playerstill alive? Couple that with: why is such a formidable player, who also happens to be the cop, still alive this far into the game?
2) What possible scum-motive is there for SensScum to fake a Cop crumb early on, then go on to fakeclaim Cop and not bring up the crumb?
3) I'll respond to Santos' post later, since its beyond useless. "Hey look I implied that Rusty could be telling Sens to stop appealing to emotion, but never said it, and you responded as if I had YOU MUST BE TEH GUILTY ONE AND YOU CANT BE A COP SINCE COPS DONT GET GUILTIES ON TOWNIES LOLOLOL"(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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Please tell me I'm misinterpretting this when I read it that you think I'm a terrible player.Santos wrote:I think Sens said 'fuck it' because I'm a terrible mafia player.
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To the rest of you, I'm really sorry that I haven't been here lately, thing have been stressing irl. I'll summarize everything I have to say tonight (within 12 hours from this post).(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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SensFan Fortuna Ex Deus
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What the fuck is that supposed to mean?
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I'm REALLY sorry, but I am going to need about 12 hours more. Tonight was just too busy, and I'm going to bed. I promise I will make a nice post tomorrow morning, though.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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SensFan Fortuna Ex Deus
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