Mafia 33: Checkmate - Game over!

[BabyJesus]

Vote: Internet Stranger

Just because it was entertaining as hell last time he got run up.....

[BabyJesus]

Already startin you stuff again, eh BJ?

why not...

[BabyJesus]

Vote: BabyJesus

, just because he hates dying Day One.

quality vote here, you'll go far.

[BabyJesus]

17 to lynch....yikes. ANy chance we can move to pluarlity voting?? Or don't you do that here?

[BabyJesus]

Oh No! .. I have two votes, whatever will I do ...

Should I claim ... ?

last words would probably be wise at this point....

[BabyJesus]

Random Vote:Baby Jesus

because I've never played with him before.

Is it really random if you then give a reason??

[BabyJesus]

Is it really random if you then give a reason??

It's not usually a legit reason to vote someone, so it perfectly falls under the random voting concept.
@ Nannok: You're safe. BJ has three now. No need to claim purple.

ok, so random=not legit here?? I did not know that...

Is wanting to make me cry count as random?

[BabyJesus]

No, making BabyJesus cry is a joke, denoted by the laughing smiley.

Annoying the crap out of me is the reason for the vote. Besides which, it's day 1 and we need a bandwagon somewhere, so that's as good a reason as any.

how have I "annoyed the crap" out of you?? I guess the proper way to play these games is to just make a random vote and then sit quietly?? How boring. No wonder you guys run me up D1 every game...

I know, I know, I'm acting "scummy" Yawn. Sorry, wrong track.

Plus I'm not sure how making someone cry is a joke......

[BabyJesus]

OK: 3 vote choices.

A: Baby Jesus who talks too much.
B: Internet Stranger who doesn't talk at all.
C: Nanook with the color purple.

Well, I'm scum, and BabyJesus is not, plus his bandwagon is farther along...I think. So...

Unvote. Vote:BabyJesus

fixed.....

(noted for future reference)

[BabyJesus]

BJ, do a Google search for {"baby jesus cry"}. It's a fairly common jokey way to say something is bad: X makes Baby Jesus cry. It was popularized as a joke by

The Simpsons

, "Lies make Baby Jesus cry," but I don't believe it originated there. I can't have been the only person here other than Yaw who got the joke.

More productively, I think the IS bandwagon is scummier than the BJ bandwagon. Not that either is more likely to hit scum than the other, but

IS is a more valuable player

and, all other things being equal (which right now they are), I'd rather have him around than BJ. But when IS does show up, I'm sure he'll have some choice words for those voting him.

How you figure this?? I am much more valuable then IS.....

:talkshow:

[BabyJesus]

OK: 3 vote choices.

A: Baby Jesus who talks too much.
B: Internet Stranger who doesn't talk at all.
C: Nanook with the color purple.

Well, I'm scum, and BabyJesus is not, plus his bandwagon is farther along...I think. So...

Unvote. Vote:BabyJesus

fixed.....

(noted for future reference)

Vote BJ

for tampering with the evidence.

IS is more valuable than you because he has more experience

here at mafiascum

and finds scum very frequently.

sigh....

fixed AGAIN.

and lol @ tampering. some of you people have NO sense of humor.

[BabyJesus]

I've got it!
Bj is trying to control someone's words, right?
That means he's Big Brother from 1984!
I'm a genius!
*does his little happy dance*

spammer

[BabyJesus]

At least that was better than you messing around with the quotes.

how was I supposed to know that was frowned on here??? Or do you really think someone would see that and believe someone outed themself as mafia....

[BabyJesus]

It's our duty to break the game, if possible. We're playing to win, after all.

But in this game, it's likely to come down to a coin flip. Whichever side (black or white) has the lead tomorrow can break the game wide open. I don't want the game determined by such a lack of skill.

maybe, except I'm guessing mafia on both sides don't know who is who any more then we do. So we could just as easily have TWO kills on one side, plus whichever color the serial killer(s) end up killing. If bnoth colors have a serial killer and/or a vig, we could conceivably have a shift of up to 4 per night....

[BabyJesus]

So we could just as easily have TWO kills on one side, plus whichever color the serial killer(s) end up killing.

You know something we don't about SKs in this game?

I know as much as any pawn knows, but it seem smost games here at mafiascum have serial killers, so unless I see otherwise, yea, I am assuming we have either a serial killer or a vigilante of some sort.

It IS Possible you ARE a serial killer so you know more then me though.

[BabyJesus]

Sorry, majority. I assure you, though, that number will quickly grow smaller. *devilish laugh*

Plus this post by mod leads me to believe there will be more then the usual killing....regardless of whether there is a sk or not, we still should run up IS.

tia

[BabyJesus]

vote sycko999

you guys running me up D1 every freaking game better hope I don't draw a vig/serial killer role anytime soon....

:rivers:

[BabyJesus]

And

FOS BabyJesus

for messing with quotes. I'd rather not bandwagon to a claim before five people have even posted, but quote-hacking is surely not cool.

Please explain to me this FOS..... I'm curious why you find what I did "suspicious" ..... Is it typical behavior here for mafia members to blatantly modify quotes to joke around??

[BabyJesus]

Well, Nanook, day-start games are generally better candidates for no lynch, so I don't think it's a completely unreasonable suggestion, but for the time being, I'd prefer to see what information we can gather and then choose where to go from there. I'm learning things about the participants in this game and would like to continue to do so. Maybe I'll learn enough to be comfortable with a lynch, maybe not. But I suspect that I probably will, meaning it's too early to be considering a no lynch with any seriousness.

well, so far we're learning that BabyJesus get run up the lynchpole D1 alot.... I could have told you that already thought...

:talkshow:

:duckberg:

:peacebringergame:

[BabyJesus]

I'm white

[BabyJesus]

I think BabyJesus's claim there is referring to Stevie's post ..

so just claiming color right now isnt an immediate, but it could cause a bandwagon that could get you lynched. But if you are forced to color claim at the end of a bandwagon, then you will probably be lycnhed, unless you are a power role.

Perhaps trying to draw out some of the colored, are ya?

no just bored with all the bs back and forth.... I honestly don't even remember if I'm black or white, I'd have to double check my pm, which I haven't done. All I know is I'm just a pawn, no big loss if you guys want to lynch me.

[BabyJesus]

I'm white

Weren't we just talking about how color claiming isn't helpful?

Unvote, Vote BabyJesus

.

Let's not let color issues distract us from the goal of ridding the board of mafia.

Umm...if you were trying to get mafia you wouldn't be voting me, I outed myself as pawn long ago. Please pay attention.

fos at thesp

[BabyJesus]

And here I was beginning to think I was the only one who felt that way...

Anyway, vote stays. Too many inconsistencies on the colour issue. (Why claim colour when everyone else says it's a bad thing, especially without attempting to justify it? And if you are going to claim colour, why would you do it at random without checking your role PM?)

why ask why

[BabyJesus]

Andrew: I'm not voting for Nanook anymore. I switched back in post 115.

I think that we'd better keep the wagon rolling, because otherwise this day might take a month.

Unvote

,

Vote: Baby Jesus

.

well, shit I guess I'm dead then. PM me the roles pls?

:goestosulk:

[BabyJesus]

BabyJesus replaces help im a bug immediately

can someone give me a breakdown of whats happened? I'll probably go back and read the last 22 pages....but a short breakdown of whose claimed what, etc... would be nice...

[BabyJesus]

OK: 3 vote choices.

A: Baby Jesus who talks too much.
B: Internet Stranger who doesn't talk at all.
C: Nanook with the color purple.

Well, I'm scum, and BabyJesus is not, plus his bandwagon is farther along...I think. So...

Unvote. Vote:BabyJesus

fixed.....

(noted for future reference)

Vote BJ

for tampering with the evidence.

IS is more valuable than you because he has more experience and finds scum very frequently.

Is this idiot still alive? WTF....

vote warpdragon.

ok, still reading. Expect a lot of posts as I catch up. If you think that is scummy I hate to break it to you, but I don't care.

[BabyJesus]

List of suspects:
--------------------

On voter ALL 3 LYNCHES:

Iammars
----------------

ON voters 2 out of 3 lynches:

Yaw, Astronaut, Yosarian2, Warpdragon, SpeedyKQ, Olio, Pie_Is_Good, Lt. Origen, Dranko20
-----------------

ON voter 1 out of 3 lynches:

PookyTheMagicalBear, rolandofthewhite, Fuldu, StevieT92, Crola, STD
-----------------------------

My top 3 for scum after reading are Iammers, Olio, and warpdragon.

[BabyJesus]

I will

unvote warp, vote Iammers

, only because warp has no votes, and we got a little train going on Iammers.

That said...warp and Olio get extrememly high fos's....

also, if I made any mistakes in the above listing let me know, it IS possible, lol. for instance, in reviewing it I already see Astronaut is dead and should be yanked off the 2 out of 3 lynches list.

[BabyJesus]

Not that I disagree with you about warpdragon and olio, BJ - in fact, I place them above Iammars on my scummy list - but what made you select the two of them from the 2 of 3 list?

more questionable posts and such....warp seems to contribute little, jump on bandwagons for little reasoning....such as the one I quoted

olio - same iffy jumping, IS was pushing his lynch today, and IS was night killed, similar lack of contributing...

Not a whole lot of specifics, as I read through 22 pages, so its all a blur....but those 2 stuck out more then the rest.

[BabyJesus]

BJ- I know you had a lot to read, but if you pay attention, I've actually been contributing today. And that was a day one bandwagon. You dont really need evidence anyway.

No, you haven't.
1) you haven't posted in 4 days...
2) You have TWO posts of

any

substance this game day.

Neither

contribute to finding who is scum, and who is not. Both are idle specualtion of how many mafia vs how many serial killers, etc.. All fluff and bullshit, with no effort whatsoever (imo) into tracking down scum.
3) Your rhetoric about the scum makeup sounds very much like someone who IS scum trying to throw misleading info out about the makeup of the scum.
4) I think we should lynch Iammers today, but I am more then happy to lynch you instead. Either way, there is NO way you two should make it anywhere near an endgame. In fact I strongly encourage our other vig to take out whichever one of you we do not lynch.[/img]

[BabyJesus]

OK, fair enough.

Thinking about it, I'll bet the mafia families are:

2 white bishops
2 black bishops
2 white knights
2 black knights

...hence the 4 kills (+vigs)

Not to be mean, but maybe speculation on WHO might be mafia might be in order?? I haven't seen much of that from you either...

sheesh, no wonder we're going down in flames.

[BabyJesus]

BJ- I know you had a lot to read, but if you pay attention, I've actually been contributing today. And that was a day one bandwagon. You dont really need evidence anyway.

No, you haven't.
1) you haven't posted in 4 days...
2) You have TWO posts of

any

substance this game day.

Neither

contribute to finding who is scum, and who is not. Both are idle specualtion of how many mafia vs how many serial killers, etc.. All fluff and bullshit, with no effort whatsoever (imo) into tracking down scum.
3) Your rhetoric about the scum makeup sounds very much like someone who IS scum trying to throw misleading info out about the makeup of the scum.
4)

I think we should lynch Iammers today

, but I am more then happy to lynch you instead. Either way, there is NO way you two should make it anywhere near an endgame. In fact I strongly encourage our other vig to take out whichever one of you we do not lynch.[/img]

For what? Acting like I usually act?

FOS:BJ

skimmer...
we are lynching you because you are the only one who has been on ALL THREE LYNCHES of good guys. If that piss-poor play is how you usually act, then yeah, I'm cool with lynching you for that.

[BabyJesus]

Erm, are you trying to role-claim pawn, Iammars?

i think its obvious he was.....can we finish him off please?

[BabyJesus]

vote crola

[BabyJesus]

Are you going to tell or make me go tromping through Crola's 27 posts trying to remember what the heck happened before day began today that might make you two vote him?

the tromping option

[BabyJesus]

I'd be kinda interested in hearing more from BJ, myself. That much certainty right out of the gate in rather unusual.

unusual from me, or unusual by mafiascum standards?

[BabyJesus]

Would be better off this late in the game all claiming our pieces? Knowing what is left, we may be able to narrow the scum down to a smaller group. We can put the black vs white thing on hold for the greater good I think

[BabyJesus]

Didn't we cover the problems with a mass role claim yesterday?

yes. But now we are 3 pawns shorter, so it is harder for the scum to hide amid the pawns now. I think it bears discussion again. Why, you got something to hide??

[BabyJesus]

Well, I hadn't counted the roles yet. By my count we have:

2 White Pawns, 1 Black Pawns
2 White Knights, 2 Black Knights
1 White Bishops, 1 Black Bishop
1 Black Rook
1 White King
1 Black Queen

Which isn't a lot of pawns, that's true. I still don't think people are going to suddenly claim special roles -- in three specific cases (Rook, King, Queen) that would be equivalent to a colour claim, and hence effectively suicidal, in two others (the Bishops) it would be admitting to scumminess. The colour issue just makes it disadvantageous to claim, because it sabotages the chances at achieving half of the stated goals of this game.

well, we're equal in color....so both sides will be at a similar disadvantage. And we'll have our scum really pinned down.

[BabyJesus]

Well, I hadn't counted the roles yet. By my count we have:

2 White Pawns, 1 Black Pawns
2 White Knights, 2 Black Knights
1 White Bishops, 1 Black Bishop
1 Black Rook
1 White King
1 Black Queen

Which isn't a lot of pawns, that's true. I still don't think people are going to suddenly claim special roles -- in three specific cases (Rook, King, Queen) that would be equivalent to a colour claim, and hence effectively suicidal, in two others (the Bishops) it would be admitting to scumminess. The colour issue just makes it disadvantageous to claim, because it sabotages the chances at achieving half of the stated goals of this game.

well, we're equal in color....so both sides will be at a similar disadvantage. And we'll have our scum really pinned down.

How are the colors equal?

6 and 6.....

[BabyJesus]

What if everone claims "White Pawn"?

then obviously the non-mafia are not on board with the plan.... whatever, just an idea.

[BabyJesus]

well, fuldu, I'm not the queen, so you're safe there....

[BabyJesus]

well, fuldu, I'm not the queen, so you're safe there....

Assuming this is true, then your vote on me is either crap, random, or both. Basically 4 people are on a bandwagon without knowing who the victim is.

BJ, the only thing you could be is a color cop, and if you investigated me, that wouldn't really tell you much.

You are two from a lynch scum, care to claim??

[BabyJesus]

WTF..... screw this, everyone just claim black pawn or not.

I AM NOT THE BLACK PAWN.

lets do this.

[BabyJesus]

i am spartacus....

[BabyJesus]

OK, so.

2 pawns, 1 scum

StevieT92
warpdragon
Dranko20

Everyone Else

Fuldu
Lt. Origen
Pie_is_good
PookyTheMagicalBear
rolandofthewhite
Save the Dragons
Yaw
BabyJesus
Crola

1 White Pawns, 2 Black Pawns
2 White Knights, 2 Black Knights
1 White Bishops, 1 Black Bishop
1 Black Rook
1 White King
1 Black Queen

WHAT WE NEED TO DO NOW IS OUT THE

WHITE PAWN

[BabyJesus]

So we've at least caught one scum out of Dranko, warp, and Stevie.

Unvote (if I was); Vote: warpdragon

for now, since we're not sure which of the 3 it is yet.

you don't think revealing the LONE white pawn now might be a good idea?

Also, was it ever determined/speculated on Knights? Are they vig's?

[BabyJesus]

GAME NOTICE!!!!!

As I was reading for this present day, it didn't match up with my spreadsheet (excel). I went back over the first post/roles and noticed an error. The Shadow was listed as a black pawn instead of a white pawn. This error has been corrected. I can confidently say that you can now use the first post to determine which pieces are still in the game. Thank you for your patience.

ok, so we have 3 black pawns alive, and 0 white pawns...

better get unvoting now people. Our scum is in the red group.

3 black pawns

StevieT92
warpdragon
Dranko20

Everyone Else

Fuldu
Lt. Origen
Pie_is_good
PookyTheMagicalBear
rolandofthewhite
Save the Dragons
Yaw
BabyJesus
Crola

0 White Pawns, 3 Black Pawns
2 White Knights, 2 Black Knights
1 White Bishops, 1 Black Bishop
1 Black Rook
1 White King
1 Black Queen

[BabyJesus]

Would the knights roleclaim piece (not color) if we asked? Are they vigs, or are they scum of some kind.... I can't imagine we had 8 scum, but 4 scum (bishops) and 4 vigs could be right. With all four left alive, no need to claim color....

discuss.

[BabyJesus]

Well, our lynch today is now in this group:

Fuldu
Lt. Origen
Pie_is_good
PookyTheMagicalBear
rolandofthewhite
Save the Dragons
Yaw
BabyJesus
Crola


I'm happy lynching Crola.

[BabyJesus]

I'm happy lynching Crola.

Dude, you've wanted to lynch me from the beginning of the day, yet you never said why. Here's my question, why? Give a reason for voting someone this late in the game, don't just random vote.

Well, if knights are bad....
you have 6 out of 7 chance of being bad. Them's pretty good odds, don't ya think?

[BabyJesus]

I do not see where BJ is getting a 6 of 7 chance. If he eliminates himself, it is 6 of 8. Who else did BJ eliminate?

I am eliminating Crola as the black king, because he stated in a previous post where he thought I might be a cop, after I said I was not the queen, that the only thing I COULD be is a color cop.
Well, if Crola admitted I could be the color cop, then he is NOT. And I don't think he's the queen either, which leaves me bishop or knight.

[BabyJesus]

So, this is where Crola claims, right?? You the queen, Crola?

[BabyJesus]

So, this is where Crola claims, right?? You the queen, Crola?

Baby Jesus, do you realize that you've just claimed scum? Let this go for the record, this is not a battle of town Vs. Scum, rather scum vs Scum. The town is no longer. I

vote BJ

for being scum.

wrong. Try again....you aren't reading close enough.

YOU ARE EITHER QUEEN OR SCUM

[BabyJesus]

Also, that last post by Crola makes it look like he is ADMITTING to being scum.

[BabyJesus]

Interesting....

So back to our red group...

One scum, One Queen

Crola
Pie_is_good

5 scum, 2 gg's

Fuldu
Lt. Origen
PookyTheMagicalBear
rolandofthewhite
Save the Dragons
Yaw
BabyJesus

I wonder if there is any benefit in letting the real queen vig the other one...and lyncing another out of the red group?

If the king would claim, and be indisputed, we would have some guaranteed scum for the real queen to vig...

NOT THE KING.

[BabyJesus]

BabyJesus, why are you completely ignoring the fact that we have 1 scum sitting right in front of us?

Vote: Crola

.

I think that we should lynch one of them, unless the real queen does agree to vig the other one. I'm going to try to read over Crola and Pie's past posts and see if I can glean anything from those.

not ignoring....I didn't unvote, and I've been on him all day. I was just speculating if there is benefit in not taking the chance on lynching the queen, since whicever one is faking WILL die tonight.

That said, I don't believe Crola for a second. Of course, you are probably scum too. Ah well.

[BabyJesus]

See, this is silly and amusing. What's 3/7? 42%. So if you block randomly, there's a 42% chance it'll stop a kill. Those are pretty good odds, no? Way more than the 25% chance you just pulled out of your ass without any logic. Did you think nobody would do the math?

Besides, you're a vig. If you actually thought I was scum, wouldn't it be better to just night kill me? Or anyone else you thought was scum? 42% chance, remember.

actually there is a 5/6 chance you are knight or bishop. I'm guessing since Pie wants you roleblocked, he planning on vigging another in the 5/6 group. (

Fuldu, Lt. Origen, PookyTheMagicalBear, rolandofthewhite, Save the Dragons, Yaw

)

[BabyJesus]

And yet you never once tried to get me lynched? I'm calling bullshit.

you think he's lying about being queen? Well, if you don't get vigged tonight, you may be right.

[BabyJesus]

I think he's lying about the investigation.

well, if you are the king, you better speak up so you don't get vigged. If not the king, then you are scum, so who cares if hes lying, you are knight or bishop and are getting vigged.

[BabyJesus]

do we have a lynch??

[BabyJesus]

?? Why was Yaw not vigged???

vote Yaw

[BabyJesus]

Yaw wasn't vigged because the white king has a different set of preferences than you do, BJ, and protected him. There's only one way that I can win this game, and that's if everybody else kills one another during some night. And for that, I need the killing parties to be balanced and I need the non-killing parties to be dead. I color investigated Yaw early on, so I know he's white. 3 black scum and 1 white scum isn't balanced. 3 black scum and 2 white scum means that tonight they'll be shooting at each other. The queen, as well. I'll tell you right now, if we lynch Yaw, I'll be protecting the other white scum (I found them last night), and if we lynch them, I'll protect Yaw. Otherwise, I don't intend to protect anybody tonight. It's not in my best interests.

Now, the three dead pawns was unexpected. It puts me in a better position than I had figured to be. I'd be perfectly happy to lynch black scum today, or to lynch the rook. But I won't be voting for Yaw.

why the hell would you want to lynch the rook?


I'm confused.

unvote, vote vote: Lt. Origen

Scum - Please do not kill me tonight. TIA.

[BabyJesus]

This seems to have turned from Mafia into Diplomacy.

Remember that Fuldu has a unique win condition that is exclusive of all others at this point when deciding whether to follow his lead. As the only remaining white townie, he only wins if everyone else is dead.

Blegh, I got mixed up there for a sec...I was thinking Fuldu was the black queen. So Fuldu is the White King?? Interesting....and he admitted he is not instered in hunting scum by not protecting the queen. Lovely. Guess I'll be roleblocking him tonight so you black scum guys can kill YAW.

[BabyJesus]

I don't care, I just want to lynch scum. So, if Yaw is one white scum, who is the other? Don't we need to know who is who if we're talking in alliances?

[BabyJesus]

So we have -

2 Black Townies

Pie_is_good
BabyJesus

1 White Townie

Fuldu

2 White Scum

Yaw + ??

3 Black Scum

Lt. Origen + rolandofthewhite + ??

?? scum

PookyTheMagicalBear, Save the Dragons

I agree, with 5 to lynch, we do need tot ake out one of the black scum today....which mean everyone NOT black scum needs to go.

I alos am curious, as I said, why Yaw was not vigged last night, so I want to hear from pie....

[BabyJesus]

what a wierd endgame, by the way

[BabyJesus]

As for Yaw's not getting vigged, I'll say it again, since BJ, pie, and Yaw all seem to have missed it. I protected him last night.

Except that the

rook blocked Fuldu last night

, which is why I keep asking why the hell Yaw is still alive....if you WERE the king, your protection would have done no good.

Either way, Pie is voting Lt O, thats good enough for me.

[BabyJesus]

Anyone else up for an alliance with teh Pookster?

Cuddly, and really nice tea!

sure.... all you have to is vote for Lt O, and I will ally with you, and by ally, I mean I won't roleblock you, and you won't nightkill me

[BabyJesus]

So we have -

2 Black Townies

Pie_is_good
BabyJesus

1 White Townie

Save The Dragons

2 White Scum

Yaw + Fuldu

3 Black Scum

Lt. Origen + rolandofthewhite + Pooky

Updated.....

I'm happy with any of the BLACK scum today, in the interest of balancing power...

[BabyJesus]

So we have -

2 Black Townies

Pie_is_good
BabyJesus

1 White Townie

Pooky

2 White Scum

Yaw + Fuldu

3 Black Scum

Lt. Origen + rolandofthewhite + Save The Dragons

Updated again, this should be accurate now....