Open 156 - Friends and Enemies - Game Over before 816

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Vote: Sho

Because I don't get that Zetta thing.

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Thanks.

@Sho: I'm afraid you might have to. I can only quote Pi up to five decimals.

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and I'll pretend you're

i

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Fixed it for you. Lololol.

@Frankie: you seem to have more theories than suspicions. Why would you want to go after someone who makes stuff complicated, instead of someone else? Say, someone scummy?

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I strongly suggest we ignore Sho's flavor, and focus on the content he posts.

But can you guys please stop talking about "factoring hectopascals" like it's something impossible? factor(hPa) = factor(100) * factor(Pa), for every definition of factor() that is in some way derived from multiplication. I'm asking because the continued beeping of my flawed-logic-dar is starting to get distracting.

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Huh? That statement wasn't intended to say anything at all about DDD.

What makes you think it was?

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You're saying that DDD is town by saying he's not scummy, and you think he's just trying to make stuff complicated? So I'll repeat the question...

Are you saying that DDD is town?

*counts to ten*

No, I already said that that statement was in no way meant to be related to DDD.

I think you're misinterpreting the post by Frankie that I was replying to. At least, I doubt that "the person who is trying to make the game the most complicated without provocation" was referring to DDD.

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@Sho: a pascal is a unit. A hectopascal is simply a hundred of those units. And even units can be factored. For example, W = U * I.

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@Sho: a real-life dollar can't be factored into a hundred real-life pennies. But the worth of a dollar can be factored into a hundred times the worth of a penny. Anything that can be arrived at through multiplication can be factored.

@Raivann: more content please.

@Alduskkel: could you prod Santos?

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I''ve already explained why I''m posting this way.

I think I missed this. Can you give me the tl;dr, or a linky?

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Seems fair enough. I'm sure there's better ways, but I don't really mind as long as you don't drown out the rest.

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@Zazie: did you know you were going to discuss traps when you posted the Satoko picture?

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Re. traps - the key to a good trap is knowing how to differentiate between town falling for it and scum falling for it. And I don't think that's a trivial task when it comes to self-voting-as-trap.

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@Santos: Kise said he did it to set a trap.

@DDD: OK, I'll bite. Why Raivann?

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@Kise: yes and no. Technically, laying a trap is interacting, just like voting for someone else. But I don't think the self-vote-trap is that useful. So I feel you did deny the town some, in the sense that you could've made a more useful play.

But really, this is moot. Empirical evidence suggests that the whole self-vote discussion is a null-tell.

@Santos: please go read the rules again.

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I wouldn't say Exalt has foot-in-mouth disease, but his temper-flares do make him a cheap target.

@Raivann: linkies to completed games, please.

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But not your vote?

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I just skimmed through the first pages of Zazie's links. Turns out Raivann was more active both as town and as scum.

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@Itac: I think you've posted less than Raivann. How would you feel if we lynched you to test your case?

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@Santos: I expect you to answer Zazie's question regardless of her answer, so you might as well just do it now. The longer you wait, the less plausible it becomes.

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Zetta is Sho's way of saying "very".

You do realize that you've basically done a 180 some 24 hours after the facts, right?

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Hmmm, you've got a point. I watched you vs. Sens from the sidelines, and IIRC you did need some time to catch on to things others were saying about your defense.

The people I'm keeping my eye on (in no particular order):
Itac
Toro
Raivann
Kise
DDD

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Boredom, mostly. I'm in two games that have been dominated for a large part by Sho vs. Exalt. In both those games I found that discussion very uninteresting. Plus I joined a Bird 7P game that's more active than I had anticipated.

But typing that out made me realize that if I want some interesting discussion I might as well get it myself.

Vote: Toro

For tunneling on DDD.

And while we're on the topic of my suspect list, I'm putting Santos back on. His continued argument against Zazie is beginning to smell of stretching.

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Honestly i havent been reading the whole thread.

Now

there

's your problem...

@Toro: mostly because you lack arguments. Seriously, DDD has got more on Raivann than you do on him.

And regardless of that, tunneling is always bad. Especially if there's more than one scumbag left.

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I feel more then confident that my arguments are strong enough for us to go ahead and lynch DDD. What makes you say that DDD is town muzzz?

What arguments? And if you twist my words into "DDD is town" one more time, I'll break out the slapping trout.

Oh, you already did...

*slaps Toro around a bit with a wet trout*

@Raivann: saying I "go with the flow" and "blend in" after I start attacking your buddy Toro? As Zazie would say: noted.

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@Toro: Frankie wasn't talking about DDD. Hence, I wasn't talking about DDD. This is the third time we're going over this. You're starting to get on my nerves.

Why are you so fixated on DDD? And why do you want

my

statement to be about DDD so badly?

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Also, last minute vacation. See sig.

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I wasn't referring to anyone in particular, but to Frankie's priorities in general.

I've already explained how you're twisting my words. The rest of your questions aren't worth answering. So I'm not dodging anything. Why are you?

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I'm back.

I'll start rereading soon. But if someone could give me the cliff notes of what I missed, that'd make my job a lot easier.

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*roars in anger*

@Exalt: I answered all of Toro's questions, except for the ridiculous "why is DDD town" he keeps dragging up. I'm not answering that one because I can't. There's no way I can give reasons for believing DDD is town, seeing as how I don't particularly think DDD is town.

I've already explained this. How this can be scummy is completely beyond me.

I need to take a breather before I look at the rest of the thread...

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If Toro is a mason, I should

unvote

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Would you mind giving a small summary of your case on Raivann? I've been too lazy to cross-reference all of your notes with their posts, so I might've missed a few things.

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@Raivann: what do you think is wrong with the way ConfidAnon switched to Exalt?

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Can someone explain the Zazie case to me? Because I'm not seeing it. I went back, and all I found were some people accusing her of scumhunting a lot.

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About the only scumhunting he's done all game is vote for Toro, my buddy.

No, that's the only

voting

I did.

And since when was Toro your buddy?

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Normally I'd keep stuff like this to myself. But Alduskkel has a point.

@DDD: A Sho vote hardly seems to have the shock value I'd normally associate with a rock through my window.

@Raivann: On reread, your switch to Exalt yesterday stood out. What happened there seems similar to the accusations you're bringing against ConfidAnon.

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@Confid: what's the case against Raivann?

@Itacv: what's the case against Zazie?

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Oh, yeah, right. I forgot about that...

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@Raivann: nice job ignoring what I said and asked.

@DDD: because I assumed your vote was intended as the rock through the window you mentioned. If there's more to it, then by all means, elaborate.

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@DDD: I assumed you did have a reason. That reason being you wanted to stir up the game. Which is good enough for me.

@Sho: The lack of reactions says nothing about DDD's intent. I'm not sure what you mean by the last part.

@Raivann: 484. And you might wanna respond to 492 as well, even though it doesn't have a question mark.

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Vote: Raivann

You ignored that 'buddy' comment for two weeks. And now that Toro is a confirmed mason you suddenly pick up on it. You're desperately fishing for townie cred, aren't you?

That would explain your crappy case on me, too. I'm done explaining my stance on Toro/DDD. If you want to vote me for that, be my guest. But you're clutching at straws here.

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@Santos: I suppose that answers your question?

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@Raivann: no, I'm voting you because you ignored it for two weeks. Thanks for the strawmanning, though.

As for the lovefest, that was me saying "DDD's case sucks, but yours is even worse."

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@Ekim: it's not so much about him acknowledging it now as it is about him ignoring it for the two weeks in which Toro was alive. That, combined with the fact that his entire case on me is based on Toro's misinterpreted crap, tells me that he's going for townie cred by association with Toro.

It's not the greatest case I've ever made, I'll admit that. But in a relatively slow game like this I feel it's definitely worth a vote.

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@Ekim: how often do you see people suddenly making lighthearted comments about stuff they've ignored for two weeks?

@Netlava: tunneling on someone implies pretty much ignoring everything else. And I think ignoring most of the game is always bad. This seems so natural to me that I don't think I can really explain it any further.

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@DDD: again?
@Santos: anything new since your last Zazie vote?
@Ekim: why?
@Kise: references, please.

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@Kise: when I asked for references, I meant "show me where that happened".

@Ekim: Kise. His slot was in on both lynches, and I have my reservations about his points against Zazie.

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Santos needs to show some new reasons for voting Zazie or he'll move up my list as well.

I'm not voting Kise yet because I want to give him one more chance to drag up those references I asked for.

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@Kise: exactly how many games did you look at to arrive at your "Zazie never survives this long as town" conclusion?

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Your four "references" for "Zazie never lives this long as town" include two in which she was scum, and one in which she became scum. Even if I count that death scene you're not allowed to post, this is incredibly weak.

You're basing "never" on one or two games. Topped of by assuming anybody would leave a mason alive. And the icing on this cake is you holding on to a vote that's based on something that

never even happened!

Vote: Kise

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You mean like how he was oblivious to the fact that Zazie didn't out the masons?

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This is just great. We've got three people catching votes, and not a single one of them has a decent response to the accusations.

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I've gotten you to drop your crappy case on Zazie and OMGUS me. Without actually addressing any of the arguments against you, or your case.

Of course, I need to see you hang for this to prove anything. But yeah, I'm willing to go out on a limb and call that succesful scumhunting.

@Sho & Santos: there is no cop. Go stand in the corner.

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@Kise: no, that's not "it". That's just the part that shows you're ignoring everything I said today in an attempt to make your OMGUS seem credible.

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Can we just lynch Kise already? His slot's been in on both mislynches, and he's spent today making two cases that're both built on him ignoring everything that happened.

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@Kise: no, you didn't. You had no idea what was going on when you voted Zazie. And when people told you that, you ignored them as well. Your case on me is built on you ignoring that.

Let's see you hang before we decide on tomorrow's lynch.

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I wasn't too fond of his post-hammer Raivann vote, nor am I impressed by his play today. I think I'd be content with a Sho lynch in the face of a deadline, or possibly an impasse due to lack of activity. But given the chance, I'd much rather lynch Kise.

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I'll probably get ripped apart for saying this, but I'm with DDD on this one. If you have a problem with boredom, or crappy cases, then do something about it. Vote. Don't be a backseat driver.

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@DDD: and why is that?

@Santos: is your suspicion of Zazie carrying over to Shanba?

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Am I assuming correctly that you're ruling out Santos + Shanba because of Santos vs. Zazie?

@Shanba: I'm too lazy to provide a review of all your posting. But if you have specific questions, I'd be happy to oblige.

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I like Santos' attitude. And I doubt scum would open the votes today. That leaves three potential scum pairs. Out of those pairs, I think DDD+Ekim is the least likely. That leaves Shanba as the common denominator for the two other pairs.

It's a gut-read, I know. But this game has gone on long enough, so I don't mind rolling with my gut.

Vote: Shanba

@Shanba: reading != reviewing. In case you haven't figured it out, I'm fairly minimalistic when it comes to writing.

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Yeah, that was nice of him.

@Alduskkel: thanks for modding. And compliments on the flavor, by the way.

@Ekim: it was nice partnering with you.

@Shanba: the night before lylo usually takes more communication than other nights.