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Hi folks I'm tubby and i will be one of you SE's for this game. Wich basically means I have been around and played a few games here and there. If you have questions about gameplay or theroy please do not hesitate to ask."I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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see now we have a disscusion going, and thank you to meji who was paying attention you get a cookie.
vote: yernabfor trying to make us all swim in the deep end of the WIFOM pool."I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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because thats how i roll. you will not see from me large posts full of texts, i my quote people but sooner or later you'll see what i am getting out. Its like making soup right now you all you see is the ingrediants and your like WFT? but soon you'll see it.yernab wrote:Alright, alright - if my methods aren't productive, just let me know or propose a different topic of discussion. I was just trying to get some posting going, and as I've said this is my first game here - you'll have to bear with me if my posts seem a bit ham-handed. =P
However, Tubby: the last two votes for you are because of your lack of discussion while calling for discussion. Your latest post seems nothing more than a "oh, good job guys, I'll just vote based off of Meji's post without really saying anything".
Now, you could just be a concise writer, but you really haven't brought anything to the table yet. For instance, you obviously disagree with my post, but tell us why, or what parts strike you as scummy.
Still withholding my vote for now."I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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confident, yes, cocky no.
i have about a 56% sucess rate with this method wich isn't the greatest but it will do."I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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lists of suspicion are goodbut are usually better when done close to the end of the day.Soyasushi wrote:Any idea whether creating scumlists are good for discussion or not?"I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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agree with this post.Soyasushi wrote:@crazypianist: We're not arguing about smileys. I just put it in my argument as a passing remark, but yernab's the one making a big deal out of it. That's why I believe he's scum trying to draw attention away from my main points and concentrating on the smiley point."I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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@ash,
sorry i thought i answered that question then i realized it was in that "other Game" lol.
but to me it doesn't really matter wich scum or town. I would prefer i guess a serial killer role that its like a solo win. but we don't to worry about those in the newbie que."I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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also i wanna appologize i will try to get into this game do a real thorough read tomorrow and post thoughts before sat."I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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please note the boldedmanho wrote:
good scum can always find a good way to jump on a bandwagon that is top in most people's LoS. and scum can always nk the one that is at the bottom of most LoS to get rid of the most pro-town player.Zachrulez wrote:
Isn't this kind of mindset a bit anti-discussion? Want to go into detail about why suspicion lists bother you?manho wrote:a LoS is a bit anti-town imo, it provides target for scum to mislynch and kill.i like LoS's when i was scum.
or were you talkin about that other site cause i am a lil lostmanho wrote:
the label people as SE too easily.Soyasushi wrote:Him being an SE, I believe we can find some meta from manho, so I'm going to check to see how he used to behave in games where he's scum or he's town.i've finished 2 games only in MS, both being townie,and you can check them in my wiki.
F.O.S. manhoand yes it is a bit omgus'y"I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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@manho are those games played like they are here? meaning day time is vote driven rather than say time driven?
that is to say the day ends here when a majority vote is cast,
time driven means you have 24hours and the player with the most votes is lynched.
and can you provide a link?"I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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well i still like yernab for scum, but with the deadline comeing
i'll just have to look into BJL later then
unvote, vote wrathofshadows"I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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meh someone had to do it might as well be me,crazypianist1116 wrote:Why yes, yes he did.
i'll have some answers and cool stuff for you tomorrow"I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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i had a reason. I wanted to,,, so theres your reason.crazypianist1116 wrote:
You better because hammering without any reason at all is super scummy.tubby216 wrote:
meh someone had to do it might as well be me,crazypianist1116 wrote:Why yes, yes he did.
i'll have some answers and cool stuff for you tomorrow
and don't call Sir, at one time i did work for a living."I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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1)waiting till deadline to simply get a lynch is weak,Soyasushi wrote:Tubby, even if the deadline's coming up there's still time to think properly about who we should vote for! You say that you think yernab's the most suspicious, as do I, but you voted for Wrath even though you didn't suspect him at all. He'll be lynched by deadline anyway, with his number of votes, so why rush it when there's no absolutely concrete evidence?
Is this scummy or VI?
2) day1 lynches always have the east amount of info/evidence
3) my hammer isn't a VI move if anything you may call it scummy.
4) after wrath reaching L-1 his damned if he does damned if he don't post kinda sealed it for me. It diddn't appear that he was going to defend himself any longer so i figured i'd simply put him out of his misery."I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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VI= village idiot,Meji Fan wrote:Whats VI?
wich is used to denote a poorly playing town player.
but in this case soy just doesn't see that my hammer was a good idea"I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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stop being so obtuse, you are not the brightest bulb in the pack.crazypianist1116 wrote:Or he's just that stupid. Let's see who gets killed tonight first."I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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you are all wasting twilight and exceelant chance to gain infoSoyasushi wrote:Hammering him so quickly just causes us unable to gather more information. Even if Wrath really is scum, he could've let slip some info in his desperation at L-1. Now that chance is gone. And if he's town, we could've managed to spend that little time before deadline to see that he really is town. Personally, I don't think he's scum (my vote's stuck on yernab for a reason), but we shall soon see."I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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close ach, but what i believe ethreal and bfl are looking for is the cop claim.Zachrulez wrote:
Why not? It gets everyone thinking doctor, and then the doctor (if there is one) becomes tempted to claim with the information they think they gained. It's actually a more common tactic than one might think. (Also consider that it can make for a good fake claim by mafia later in the game should it become clear to them that there is no doctor.)bjl wrote:Meji Fan wrote:Okay, Im definitely looking at bfl, first one to get to speculating on the doc is suspicious, not entirely unlike 'congratulating the doctor'
how/why is it suspicious? what other explanation is there? I guess it's possible the mafia chose to not kill, but that's not likely and doesn't make sense. If we had been past the 72 hour time-limit for night, I would have considered the possibility that the mafia didn't get their orders in.
see scum don't nite kill, leaves town thin doc suceeded , cop feel safe to claim knowing there is a doc to protect him, scum kill cop
however if we have one or both roles both should be quiet about who they are"I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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are you shocked more about my play or that your partner is at l-2 and you don't wether to join us or try to get me lynched,,,,EtherealCookie wrote:...
Well, you have tubby's support. . I really, really, want to lynch him bad, but meta tells me that he behaves this way regularly. Agrees with Meji, vote. Amazing. Just amazing."I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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oh come on don't be bitter,, you know best laid plans and allEtherealCookie wrote:No, I'm shocked at the fact you're extremely unintelligent, and that's putting it nicely."I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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for starters re-read page 10,Meji Fan wrote:tubby - what links do you have showing between bfl and cookie then?"I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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bjl wrote:no night kill, eh? looks like we have a doc, and they got lucky.bjl wrote:Meji Fan wrote:Okay, Im definitely looking at bfl, first one to get to speculating on the doc is suspicious, not entirely unlike 'congratulating the doctor'
how/why is it suspicious? what other explanation is there? I guess it's possible the mafia chose to not kill, but that's not likely and doesn't make sense. If we had been past the 72 hour time-limit for night, I would have considered the possibility that the mafia didn't get their orders in.bjl wrote:Zachrulez wrote: Why not? It gets everyone thinking doctor, and then the doctor (if there is one) becomes tempted to claim with the information they think they gained. It's actually a more common tactic than one might think. (Also consider that it can make for a good fake claim by mafia later in the game should it become clear to them that there is no doctor.)
how are people not already "thinking doctor" with no one dying during the night?
What's the common tactic? Not killing so it looks like there is a doc, so you can claim doc? That seems quite risky.
these three posts alone warrant a lynch, almost baiting any potential power roles to out themselves.
now lets have a look at cookie shall we?
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buddying attempt #2EtherealCookie wrote:I found some meta on Tubby. It's normal for him to act like this, and everyone suspects him of scum but it turns out he isn't. That doesn't mean we dismiss him from being scum, but his behavior isn't as odd as it might seem. I more of see "Useless Townie" than "Scummy".EtherealCookie wrote:I have meta on Tubby that shows he behaves like this as Town anyhow. I don't see why people are saying I have lots of information on him. I just quoted some stuff and wrote a one liner response. Manho is #2 most scummy for me. However, your posts just seemed scummy to me. I especially didn't like the first quote about "If I were mafia" comment catching attention. I also didn't understand why you announced you were trying to get a response out of Manho and then FoS'd him. If he knows your intent, and he's scum, it's not likely he's going to react heavily.
WIFOMEtherealCookie wrote:Well, I'd imagine scum would want to avoid doing something like this because it'd draw so much attention.
setting up mislynchEtherealCookie wrote:...
Well, you have tubby's support. . I really, really, want to lynch him bad, but meta tells me that he behaves this way regularly. Agrees with Meji, vote. Amazing. Just amazing.
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quote="EtherealCookie"]Why is it suspicious to assume first that we have a doctor? Nobody died tonight. It's not surprising someone might think there's a doctor.[/quote]EtherealCookie wrote:Well.
I was wrong about Wrath. I'm surprised, honestly.
First, we need to examine the bandwagon on Wrath. Look for those who have very little reasoning for their votes.
misleading town
you know what you talked me out of lynching your buddy
unvote vote: cookie"I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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take a deep breathe, I said "for starters" wich is implied there is more to follow, now after calmly reading my post then you can frea out and flame the day away go ahead i won't be mad at youEtherealCookie wrote:See?
That shows absolutely nothing.
You just say reread page 10. That means nothing.
It's not helping town."I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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^i feel the urge to task you ,, you have no defense then other then to say i am a poor player with poor points? awesomeness pure awesomeness"I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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because i do not need to defend myself when there is scum about such as yourselfEtherealCookie wrote:And he fails to even defend himself, and simply says we should lynch either me or BJL."I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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yah i am pretty sure cookie is scum at this point, BJL is likely their partner.
I think it would be great to lynch cookie.
BJL is scummy but cookies defense of bjl is far more scummy than the actions of bjl on his own."I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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no i don't like this chaining lynches,,manho wrote:
you should ask him again, but that's what i get.Soyasushi wrote:
Just like how he is so sure bjl is town, how is he so sure you are the two scums? Unless he has some hidden psychic ability we know nothing about?manho wrote:@soyasushi: cookie knows bjl is town as he is sure that tubby and i am the two scums, just to let you know.
@tubby, maybe we can lynch bjl today and cookie tomorrow.
mod: can we have a vote count please?
i do feel its highly likely that thewy are the scum.
however what we need is a vote count and more from zach,meji,bjl/replacemnt and to a lesser extent soy"I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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your thoughts on bjl/cookie being linked as scum pairMeji Fan wrote:You have anything specific you want to ask me then?
your thoughts on me and manho being scumpair
do you think either argument is valid
or do you think this is begininng to show town v town and too much eagerness to be right?"I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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i pm'd the list mod as well,Meji Fan wrote:I PMed said listmod
Note: This is not the usual, this is the first Newbie game Ive been in where this has been a problem, please dont let this get in the way of enjoying mafiascum
and this is rare but i have seen it before"I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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usually there is a replacement mod, or Val will take over. we may have to pm the new mod our roles if our mod is replaced.Meji Fan wrote:tubby, what normally happens if this happens?
or we can all simply vote to abandon the game and those that wish will be moved to the front of the line in the newbie que.
but without verification from VAL is all speculation/ what happened last time"I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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indeed,Soyasushi wrote:Which means we're going to wait?
What a bother for a first game.
agian this is rare to happen"I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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well i doubt cookie will ever vote for bjl but in the case that cookie does i would gladly hammer and we can adress this cookie mess tomorrow"I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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you replaced pianst right?Kyiv wrote:I hate placing such an undue importance on Metas. It really is a useless tactic. Scum can play elements of their town meta, towns can play no meta at all, and scum can even play their town meta completely perfectly. You can't ignore the huge number of scummy posts made by Tubby just because "he plays like that". He's just as likely to be scum as he is town. I still have more to say about Yernab and bjl's behaviors, and cookie's twilight talk is hardly scummy at all (from first glance. I will have to look more into it, as said).
so this is you one and only warning tread lightly, because for now you are taking the easy road, I will allow you to do a read of day one and day2.
I know i posted little if anything but take a close look at what i said in my posts."I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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sorry i missed the bit about scum v town request i will have it for you in a few hours i need sleep now."I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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no not an appeal to fearKyiv wrote:
Elaborate? Appealing to fear is a scumtell btw.tubby216 wrote:you replaced pianst right?
so this is you one and only warning tread lightly, because for now you are taking the easy road, I will allow you to do a read of day one and day2.
I know i posted little if anything but take a close look at what i said in my posts.
but i was trying to say is look a little closer at may posts, what they say, the words used the timing. Because i feel you are focusing on an easy target, wich by the way is a scum tell."I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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your questions back have already been explainedEtherealCookie wrote:
Wow.the only reasons why bjl and cookie are sure that there is a doctor is either 1. they are the doctor, or 2. they are the scum whose kill is blocked by the doctor. as there is at most one doctor in a newbie game, so 1 is wrong. point out the third option if you think it is a false dilemma.
Please, read my posts.
Then point out where I said I am sure there is a doctor. I said why is it suspicious to assume there is a doctor. You are twisting my words a lot.
Also, your argument is terribly flawed.
As for 2, uhm, why the hell would we want to talk about the doctor if we are scum who got blocked by doctor's protection?
If you actually believe this is a scumslip, that's pretty sad. But you don't. You're just trying to get me lynched, given you're scum.
And where's Reason 3, being able to reason logically? No crap people would think the doctor was successful.
can we lynch cookie now please that'd be great"I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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and as promised a list of games i was in and my roles, these are the ones i can easily find, (*i really need to find someone to help me do a wiki*)
newbie 795= townie
newbie 799= townie
newbie 746= townie
newbie 763= scum role blocker
newbie 770= mafia goon
newbie 773= townie
newbie 743= townie"I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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if you can't see it i am not drawing you a map. perhaps if i survive today you will see tomorrow.Kyiv wrote:
You claim you are an easier target than Ojanen and Cookie, regardless of the fact that they have more votes, and are under far more suspicion? And you seem to be implying that your previous posts all have some sort of subliminal meaning behind them, yet you refuse to help people find that meaning. I asked for you to elaborate, not repeat yourself. With the way you're acting, I have to think you are withholding information... and your attitude has been nothing but anti-town so far. And let me remind you how easy it would be to lynch Bjl/Ojanen right now:tubby216 wrote:no not an appeal to fear
but i was trying to say is look a little closer at may posts, what they say, the words used the timing. Because i feel you are focusing on an easy target, wich by the way is a scum tell.
We are just under a week for that deadline.Zachrulez wrote:Between BJL and Cookie, I still find cookie to be a stronger lynch.
Under threat of deadline, I may be willing to switch though."I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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@ojanen,
i thought Bjl was scummy you however have posted very protown, However this doesnot excuse cookies defense of your player slot. wich i found to truly scummy wich is why i would like cookie lynched."I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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so?EtherealCookie wrote:God damn, Ojanen just said my defense is not scummy, and brought up points as to why it's not. You, on the other hand, come and say it's scummy, and bring up absolutely no points at all.
my opinion is different that Ojanens big deal."I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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so?EtherealCookie wrote:No, that has nothing to do with it.
The fact is, he actually brings up points, you don't."I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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ok look i'll answer you points ten put a couple of my own.O wrote:@tubby, please answer to me about this:
Earlier I wrote:
And for the people who are saying he is scum defending town tubby, what on earth would be the scum motive to defend my slot so forcefully? He has gotten sooo much heat just because of the defence that people actually want to lynch him instead of me, do you find that a good tell for scum who's basic nature is to hide?
The reasons why I think Ethereal's defence was not unreasonable at all as a thought process, are again:
-looking for scum from town lynch wagon is absolutely a good idea and noone turned to each other after the mislynch
-my wagon exploded right at the beginning of D2 which would suggest some scum influence
-he didn't actually agree with the scumtell everyone was finding so huge (doc thing)
-he himself also got immediately hounded
your point 1- I'll conceed your wagon did spark quickly and bjl flaked before we could ge a good response.
my point1-cookie jumped in and defended far too early before a reaction from bjl could properly be gaged.
your point 2- scum tells are left up to interpretation, there is no check list of scum tells that people can simply check off
my point2he never actually said why it wasn't a scum tell and his defense was minor chainsaw by saying "well look at whos is on the wagon sheesh its alls scum"
your point 3-so he should have been hounded and should continuely be hounded i don't believe his response are all that good either. although i am pretty sure he is convinced I am an idiot.
i see plenty of scum motivation to defend your slot so boldly. even at the time it looked as if you would be the certian lynch of the day.
even though cookie claimed townie i see that as a false claim and completely expect a different claim tomorrow and i will just leave it at that.
so i think that satisfies your points vs my points"I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
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