DP12 JeepFest Mafia GAME OVER

[LoudmouthLee]

Vote: Axelrod

First day killing speculations never sit well with me.

[LoudmouthLee]

Bah. First double post.

There could still easily be an SK, no? Lucky doc protect? Roleblocker catching lightning in a bottle?

[LoudmouthLee]

Nox, it's not uncommon for scum groups to have the option not to kill, but it's rarely a good strategy.

LML, what's the difference between the speculation in Axelrod's post and the speculation in your second post? It seems like pretty much the same type of "first day killing speculations" in both of them.

vote: Mr Stoofer

My second post is in direct response to certain assumptions made by Axelrod. There is nothing known for sure. I know when I saw 1 kill, I didn't assume just mafia, I assumed lucky doc/roleblocker.

Maybe that's just me, and I will digress.

[LoudmouthLee]

Maybe I was just making a mountain out of a mohill. Who knows.

[LoudmouthLee]

I will, as well,

Unvote: Axelrod

and

Vote: Vesuvan

.

I'm still very wary of Axelrod, however, due to posts prought up in the thread and overall scummy behaviour, I believe this vote is safe.

Reminder: My vote is #8 - This may be a stellar time for a claim.

[LoudmouthLee]

Mod: Why is my vote still on PBuG?

If my vote for Vesuvan counts, as it should, the bandwagon is actually at

nine. Unvote: Vesuvan

so he can't be finished off before he can respond. Question for LML: What do you mean your Vesuvote is "safe"? Safe for whom against what?

I guess safe was the wrong word. Safe, as in, he seems scummy (as I believe Axelrod also seems scummy)

[LoudmouthLee]

Vote count, 10 to lynch:

Vesuvan 8 (EnterYourNameHere, Commodore Amazing, Olio, Someone, PBug, rolandofthewhite, the Shadow, LoudmouthLee)
MeMe 1 (PBug)
Leonidas 1 (Peacebringer)
Axelrod 1 (Vesuvan)
EnterYourNameHere 1 (MeMe)
Mr Stoofer 1 (Fuldu)
Someone 1 (NanooktheWolf )
thesilentspeaker 1 (Mr Stoofer)
Olio 1 (Leonidas)

Apologies to the silent speaker, I must have missed your vote because it was all the way on the right hand side of the thread.

I was only going by the DP vote count, and don't feel like I should be smacked around for that.

[LoudmouthLee]

That's interesting. You were going by a vote count posted

after

your vote?

To be fair, Axelrod, that's not the

entire

case against Vesuvan. There's also the fact that at the time, he had voted for no one and no one had voted for him. Hardly conclusive, but the two together (though the not posting and not voting aren't exactly unconnected, as he obviously can't vote without a post) do make him stand out from the mass of people worth a raised eyebrow at least.

Speaker... you seem to be questioning me an awful lot. I have no problem answering you.

Since the earlier vote count (which said 5, if I remember correctly) stated the current count (according to DP), I then simple added the 2 more votes that were put on Vesuvan, as well as adding my own, making 8.

DP himself corroborated my statement. Until, as you said, you vote was missed. I apologize for not squarely looking at your voting. Truthfully.. that's the point of vote counts.

I hope that answers your question.

[LoudmouthLee]

Wow. I'm a bit shocked at the speed that this bandwagon is shifting. Just a few points to think about:

• Full props to Vesuvan for his cool-headed play. However, the speed that people unvoted without asking for more info makes me believe that there is a possibility that a few scum could have been on a bandwagon of one of their own, and jumped off after his "I'm really not gonna claim" response. Again, I have no proof of this, just throwing it out there fir you all to think about as a possibility.

• The SK bandwagon has gained speed VERY quickly, which makes me believe that the scum has jumped on. SK has deserved votes based on her action and the "ninth vote facade" after not really showing the rest of day one. However, the relative speed of the formation of this bandwagon is a bit unsettleing.

• As of right now, I'm only going to

Unvote: Vesuvan

vut in turn I have to keep an eye on him. I will also

FoS: SaberKitty

for reasons stated above, but as well,

FoS: Peacebringer

for seeming to be Mr. Bandwagon-starter / jumper.

[LoudmouthLee]

I'm going to

Vote: Olio

on the pure strength of Vesuvan's statements.

The quote I find most damning is...

It's not about a townie being bandwagonned period, and the fact you're trying to make it so looks like you're trying to make it appear that I'm making an argument that I'm not. Further, despite my offer to discuss the strategy in principle elsewhere, you're carrying it on here. My only conclusion from this is that you're trying to make me look like scum because of my refusal to claim, and as I previously stated, that increases my suspicion that you are scum.

If a townie, power role or otherwise, is under a bandwagon for weak reasoning, claiming should not be the answer to get the bandwagon off them. Claiming should be a last resort, whether for a vanilla townie or a power role.

You're absolutely right, and I believe an Olio bandwagon sounds about right now.

[LoudmouthLee]

PBug should get his butt back to the thread to see he's about to be lynched. I'm not going to ask the mod to prod him when he, himself, has abandoned this game. It's bothersome.

Here's the deal. PBug's at 9 votes. Time for me to see if he's posted anywhere on the site since he his last post. Be back in a few minutes.

[LoudmouthLee]

Well, he has posted in the V/LA thread saying he was gonna be gone for a week and will be back on Monday.

[LoudmouthLee]

And, might I add, I dont recall voting for Vesuvan nor Saberkitty.

I may add that you were AWAY for those two bandwagons. Very interesting that you use that as a defense, when you weren't posting at all.

Vote: Nox

[LoudmouthLee]

Would you consider the role name of "mith" to be scum?

I wouldn't... but I'm curious to know why you asked.

[LoudmouthLee]

Is this the follow tss like sheep game or something?

I particularily don't like CA because his excuse for voting me was "to create another viable bandwagon", which makes it seem like it's not blatant bandwagoning, when it still is.

There was not much to go on this game... but now, I feel we can create a viable bandwagon here.

Unvote: Nox, Vote: Someone

TSS is at least posting and trying to get things going in a positive way. By the quotew you just made, you're trying to dissuade anyone listening to TSS's reasoning and the such. There are two differing possibilities for this, being that you're scum....

1) You're scum, trying to get people away from Axelrod's bandwagon.
2) You're scum, trying to distance yourself from this bandwagon so you can say "HA! I wasn't on that innocent's bandwagon!"

As of this exact moment, I am more sure of a Someone lynch that a Axelrod lynch. Just me. If someone gives me a reason to change my vote / unvote, i'll let you know

[LoudmouthLee]

First - Stoofer, my assumptions were on the inkling that Someone is scum. However, more on this will be elaborated on later in this post.

Secondly - I'm somewhat questioning the Someone bandwagon at this point, mainly for the quote listed below:

unvote: Axelrod, vote: Someone

to keep it close at 5 and 5.

Ugh. Can another player call me paranoid now? This post REALLY bothered me, and I hope it bothers everyone else too.

Incredible FoS: Commodore Amazing AND Nox

I mean, seriously. Why would someone justify a MAJOR vote like that (to even the score

WHILE WE ARE APPROACHING DEADLINE

. At this point in time, I do not have DP's ruleset in front of me, but I have played in games in which a tie vote as such leads to a no lynch and ultimately bad news for the town.

If Someone comes up innocent, I will find this post to be incredibly suspect and incredibly difficult to comprehend. Could it be that both Commodore and Nox are scum together?

I think I just may be a little bit paranoid right now. Quite a possibility. However, we're late in the day and we don't have the time to start a Commodore bandwagon again.

Moral of this longwinded post? If need be, I'll be happy to switch my vote to Nox before the deadline, unless the townies (more than a few) tell me i'm being paranoid.

[LoudmouthLee]

[06] Lynching will be carried out once a regular majority is reached - and cannot be undone by unvoting. If I impose a day deadline, lynching will require at least half of the regular majority. In case of a tie, first come first served. In the endgame (six players or less) only lynches with a regular majority will occur. Votes for no lynch will be accepted.

Okay, so not as bad, but still shady as heck.

[LoudmouthLee]

Someone, gimme some MS history...

Is Polarbear even around now? Never seen his name before.

[LoudmouthLee]

Since our Mod is DP, I might as well start by saying the following:

If you are bandwagoned and a plain townie, bite the bullet. The contitunal claiming only gives the mafia more info about the setup.

After much consideration, i'm going to

Unvote: Someone and Vote: Saberkitty with a dash of FoS: Nox

With that, I'm concerned about the following:

1) Saberkitty's absense... especially while she got out of a bandwagon by claiming that OTHERS were not posting.

2) Nox, Someone, Vesuvan... At this point in time, the one claim that doesn't sit well with me is Polarboy... being originally from the GL, I know that majority of the people who would be in this variant. On my list of 30, Polarboy was nowhere in sight.

[LoudmouthLee]

Sorry if i'm a little cynical.

profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=288

Less than 400 posts? I see he has a sticky topic in one of the forums, but other than that, I can't see why h was included in the setup.

[LoudmouthLee]

I'll reiterate, and TSS, I think you'll understand this the most.

SaberKitty (the player, not the possible role) has been absent today. Lurkers, in general, hurt the town far more than anything else. At this exact point in time, unless Leo is hinting at "cop", I would go with a SaberKitty lynch over a Stoofer lynch.

However, if Leo's a bit more... explicit.. with his theory, then I'd be willing to change my vote.

I'm not asking you to claim, Leo, I'm just asking for some justification.

[LoudmouthLee]

My vote on SaberKitty was the first vote. I didn't feel comfortable with either the Someone or the Nox lynch. I don't see exactly how THAT makes me scummy. Saberkitty was a lurker, and I'm not fond of lurkers. With that, I'm going to

FoS: Axelrod

for his incredible crap logic there. I wasn't trying to start a bandwagon, instead, I was putting my vote in a place that I thought it was worth. I guess I was wrong.

With that in mind, I'm going to continue my lurker hunt, a la TSS, and

Vote: EnterYourNameHere

At this point in time, he has not contributed anythimg towards the thread. If he shows up and contributes, or new info comes to light, I will be happy to change my vote, though.

[LoudmouthLee]

Well.. time for me to post, and for once, I'm struggling to find the right words for this.

I feel that a game like Mafia, when you sign up for it, gets hurt drastically by players who cannot keep their commitment to the game. If you think hunting lurkers is wrong, Axelrod and Nox, then I'll love to watch you modkill 5 players in a game you worked hard to create and mod. [/sour grapes]

I hunt lurkers because they deserve to be hinted, and I really want to vote for you, but I can see the "OMGUS" posts you're bound to throw at me.

If you have a real, legit problem with any of my posts, I'll be happy to go line by line and explain my reasoning. In honesty, your play has been sloppy as hell for a townie, and downright awful as scum. you have gone through a PBPA against me with nothing to show for it besides Someone's apropos comment:

The problem I have with axelrod's latest humungo-post, is that there is no real point to it. The posts you outlined are very much typical LmL behaviour.

If you're going to quote all the posts of a player, it should be so you can show us something more concrete. Targetting lurkers and hopping a couple bandwagons are very much part of the game, and if you're going to suspect people for it, you might as well lynch the whole town.

At the same token, you can look at the things Gandhi says for long enough and begin to think he's Mafia, too.

As of right now, My vote on EYNH stays, but

FoS: Axelrod

for being the scummiest player I have seen in a while and

FoS: The Shadow

for, after a long absence, not posting anything of value at all.

[LoudmouthLee]

Until then...

Unvote: EYNH

[LoudmouthLee]

fine I will give out what I saw-sorry mike if this gives out to much cause I really have no clue on interpretation.

I start off by seeing colors
green, yellow, white, and blue


The next images is crosses, then distorted crosses.


The I start hearing sounds, song fragments then
peanuts- very fine

then i see a man who talks to people, greets people, and is smiling.

Last thin I get is a smell of diesel fumes and then the acid trip is over.

Like I said, doesn't come off as evil but the rest of it I have no clue.

Hmmm... could this be.. "The big man?"

[LoudmouthLee]

Oh, MeMe, that's lovely.

And now that I don't foresee Axelrod wriggling out, I'm going to go a little meta- on this discussion. Can anyone point me to a single instance, in any mafia game, ever, where early hinting at a role like this turned out to be a good thing? Because I can think of at least two instances where I've been scum and another player has obligingly let me know that they're the cop or the doc so that I could kill them (in one case they turned out to be the SK, but still, not good for them). And I can't think of a single time that I've been pro-town where I've found myself more inclined to believe a claim because it was clued early on than I would be if they'd simply come out with it at the time of the bandwagon. Even without MeMe's discovery, I wouldn't have believed it here. Every time I see it, this type of hinting seems increasingly like stupid play. So how is it

supposed

to work?

First,

Vote: Axelrod

Next, Fuldu, I once coded Phoebus's name into my first post, as he was my mason partner.

That saved the game for me, actually, rather than tipping off the scum. I didn't post my role, but my partner.

Interesting stuff.

As for this, MeMe's find makes Axel the correct lynch for today. Sloppy play all around.

[LoudmouthLee]

My number one person to lynch is Nox. She went after me when Axelrod was getting votes yesterday. Axelrod was also eager to accept Vesuvan's, Someone's, and Nox's claims. Axelrod also joined a Someone bandwagon to save (?) Nox.

That's an interesting point. I do not (assuming that the name claims that were given were accurate, as Axel's was) see a correlation between Antrax and MattV, or Antrax or Polarboy (who, I'm sorry, I still* have no clue who that is)

I was thinking that it might have been an overseas (Non-US) thing, but looking back, Mackay (Aussie) and Tally (Kiwi) were both pro-town.

Maybe I'm looking too hard for a correlation. Who wasn't on the Axelrod bandwagon?

[LoudmouthLee]

As of right now, my thought process is:

Vote: The Shadow

And that's for a number of reasons.

#1) Genuinely lurky play. Has not contributed much of anything at all.
#2) Non-vote on Axelrod, our first Mafia caught.
#3) A vote, instead, on CA, who, as TSS says (and I wholeheartedly agree...)

The first thing I'll say is that CA is as cleared as he can get without a cop declaring him innocent. No one else stepped up to claim the kill, and it has all the earmarks of a vigging.

So, knowing that, there were two others, besides Axel, who had a vote on CA. One was The Shadow, and the last deserves another

FoS: Nox

[LoudmouthLee]

The school year just started. As a teacher, I have been posting much less frequently.

As of right now, my vote on the Shadow still stands. I have NOT been lurking. Instead, I have been reading everything without the time to really post back.

Consider the weekends the best time for me to be posting like a madman

Anyway...

As of right now, I'm still concerned aboput InHim, especially since he was just replaced by two lurkers... a bit confused in regards to any of their posting styles.) I still like my vote on the Shadow.

[LoudmouthLee]

Just a few thoughts...

#1) I'll start this post with a nice sized

FoS: InHim

, and if I wasn't so sure that The Shadow has been overly scummy, I would be calling for his head.

InHim has violated every single law of etiquette I have ever seen in a mafia game. I'm not going to call myself a confirmed innocent or anything like that, but if you just look at the way the first few days have gone, i'll hope that you can draw your own conclusions.

InHim managed to shoot me an FOS for the day for "lurking". Maybe I'm confused... I mean, I have posted here every chance I get and normally have (or try) to have some sort of logistical flow to my thoughts. InHim has something that bothers me, however...

Going back to PB's "vision", he saw someone greeting others. This could possibly mean that InHim is

probably JEEP

Now, that may just be my opinion, but that means 1 of the following things...

-I feel it is a VERY safe assumption that Jeep is NOT a vanilla townie.
-So, IMHO, InHim is either a VERY STRONG pro-town player or a VERY STRONG scum (possible GF territory?)

That's all on InHim for now. I don't feel like lynching him right now for I feel that it's PROBABLY the wrong call now.

As for Nanook, I, for NOW, believe his claim, as DP sometimes has spelling lapses... DP consitently warns people to NEVER rely on spelling for a lynch... I feel that the people we have left in the game... better than that.

So, as of now, my vote still stays on The Shadow, as I believe he is the correct lynch for today.

[LoudmouthLee]

[quote="DP in the main page, bolding and alterations, however, are mine]Still partying (10/20):

1. Someone

3. NanookTheWolf

4. MeMe
7. LoudmouthLee
12. PeaceBringer
14. Leonidas
16. inHimshallibe
17. Commodore Amazing
18. the silent speaker

20. Nox

Left the party (10 )
8. HezLucky (Big_Kahunia, townie, off to the hospital, shotwound)
6. PBug (Ataraxy, townie, evicted by the party-goers)
11. Olio (Foolster, townie, off to the hospital, lost eyes)
9. Vesuvan (Phoebus, townie, off to the hospital, shotwound)
5. The Shadow (Faeriefire, townie, evicted by the party-goers) [/quote]

My concern is the following. #1) A whole lot of people have claimed "townie". Right now, there are 3 alive. It seems... odd... to me... that DP would have a total of

8

townies in a game... especially a game of 20 people.

In my humble opinion, as of right now...

My thoughts on the people who are left (I'll include myself)

1. Someone - Claimed Townie. Has lurked his way after that. Possibility of scum - 75%
3. NanookTheWolf - Claimed townie, misspelled Pooky / Pookie. Possibility of scum - 50% (i find the fact that pooky is misspelled to be helpful rather than damaging)
4. MeMe - I believe the claim of Mith. Seems to have a nice pro-town power ATM. Possibility of scum - Slim and None.
7. LoudmouthLee - Fought had for the Axel lynch, and is not scum, trust me on this one. Chance of scum - 0%
12. PeaceBringer - Visions could just be a farce, but nailed InHim to be Jeep. More on inHim later, but is possible that they are BOTH scum together. Chance of Scum - 50%
14. Leonidas - So far, so good... assumed power role, and also fought for Axel's death. Chance of scum - 15-20%
16. inHimshallibe - Probably scum. Jeep and Antrax could be in cahoots. Chance of scum, 80%
17. Commodore Amazing - probably pro-town, definately a killing entity. Could be a second SK, but i doubt it. Chance of scum, 15%
18. the silent speaker - Played like a pro-town maven this entire time. Chance of scum, 10%
20. Nox - Townie claim, dropped off the face of the earth, chance of scum - 75%

So, with that, i'll

Vote: InHim

. and

FoS: Nox and Someone

and couple that with

IGMEOYs for PB and Nanook

All for reasons outlined above. I'm sure we'll have at least 2 scum in this lot.

[LoudmouthLee]

Now, LoudMouthlee. I have a 75 % chance of beeing scum? For claiming townie? You might want to re-calculate that. As for "dropping off the face of the earth", I'm sorry but its been really busy for me lately. With my best friend dealing with cancer and school starting, I'm not spending every minute I have free online. Besides, I have over 15 posts more than you.
Support your arguments, please. They have absolutly no foundation

Just because you have more posts doesn't mean you have more content. BTW - The number is 11, not over 15. Fuzzy Abstractions, my foot.

All the townies, as of right now, are likely to be scum in my book. We've had a LOT of townie deaths, and from a mod balancing standpoint, 8 townies (i believe that was the number) seems a bit... crazy. I would imagine less townies and more power roles.

You have responded, so I'm less wary of you as of right now, but, to be honest, I think I have justified my feelings thus far.

As of right now, I'm going to

Unvote: InHim

and, after much contemplation,

Vote: Nanook

I know.. ugh.. DP misspells things. It's part of who he is (and, even as an English teacher, I do it too...), but I strongly believe that at least one of these townies are scum.

I'm still slightly wary of InHim, but his claim seems steadfast...

[LoudmouthLee]

Well, you all wanted it, so you got it.

My role is

Samadhi

. I am an every other night roleblocker, and can prove my role if necessary.

If you need further info, I'll explain. For those who know Sam, you will be delighted to know that it has someting to so with a specific type of plant.

[LoudmouthLee]

Absolutely, and I have no problem showing the town that I can role block.

By the way, for some clarification (before I shoot myself and the town in the foot), by

every other night

... I mean I cannot role block two nights in a row.

Now... as for the meat and potatoes of today.

Night 2 (when I first used my power), I blocked TSS. There was

no nightkill

Before we just found out that he was IS, I was unsure if I blocked the killer or a doc protection saved the day.

Right now, with what I know about TSS (He's IS) and my block on him N2 with no subsequent kill, I will indeed

Vote: The Silent Speaker

I am also not against, by any stretch of the imagination, going no-lynch today and blocking whomever you ask me to. I'm pretty positive TSS is scum, so I'll be happy to block him. We can see what happens there.

So, to recap...

Vote: TSS and I'm not against a NL here.

[LoudmouthLee]

Doh, sorry, CA. We cross posted

[LoudmouthLee]

You see.. you're all missing something.

I can prove my abaility and my innocence by allowing me to block tonight. If I fail to block someone with a role...

By the way, finally,

FoS: Nox

.. are you absolutely nuts? Recently, MeMe has been giving us results, correct results at that, for the names of everyone. Instead of using that her advantage, she gives it to the town for use.

The fact remains... I can block, and I will block.

I would like you all to take a very close look at TSS. Can we believe IS is a cop here? Not only that a sane cop?

He's a crazy lyncher. He wants everyone dead. That makes you a cop? That's absolute garbage.

Furthermore, TSS had a chance to claim his ability when he pointed his scummy finger at me. He DID NOT, waiting to see if *I* was the cop. See what happened here?

Don't let this scum fool you.

Confirm Vote: TSS

[LoudmouthLee]

Double post...

According to TSS, a vote against me is a vote against MeMe as well (since he says we're both scum).

There's something not right here. Nox... look at what's going on here.

[LoudmouthLee]

Are you nuts, CA? Or are you just a scum assassin? I'm the

cop

.

One further note: Lee must be scum from his role claim alone. He says he blocked me night 2 and therefore thinks the no-kill was due to me being blocked. Setting aside that I'm the cop and got a result, why oh why would Lee not block me again at his next opportunity? But there were kills on night 3, when Fuldu blocked me, and every night since. Thus Lee is shown to be a liar and should die.

Woo! crap logic! Let me try to take this bit by bit.

Who said I didn't block you again at my next opportunity? You definately have a scum partner alive, right? I'm sure that after you were blocked N2, you had your parner doing the killing.

Now, moreso...

The play today is simple (and I believe was stated by CA and MeMe), We vote to lynch TSS, InHim saves him (hereby saving TSS and proving his innocence), I will block TSS tonight. If InHim fails, and TSS is scum, we know that InHim is scum with him.

[LoudmouthLee]

Are you nuts, CA? Or are you just a scum assassin? I'm the

cop

.

One further note: Lee must be scum from his role claim alone. He says he blocked me night 2 and therefore thinks the no-kill was due to me being blocked. Setting aside that I'm the cop and got a result, why oh why would Lee not block me again at his next opportunity? But there were kills on night 3, when Fuldu blocked me, and every night since. Thus Lee is shown to be a liar and should die.

Woo! crap logic! Let me try to take this bit by bit.

Who said I didn't block you again at my next opportunity? You definately have a scum partner alive, right? I'm sure that after you were blocked N2, you had your parner doing the killing.

Now, moreso...

The play today is simple (and I believe was stated by CA and MeMe), We vote to lynch TSS, InHim saves him (hereby saving TSS and proving his innocence), I will block TSS tonight. If InHim fails, and TSS is scum, we know that InHim is scum with him.

[LoudmouthLee]

You said, sir, Leonidas.. that IS would be scum based on his role.

I'll repeat, very simply...

I CAN PROVE MY ROLE TONIGHT.

Leo! What are you doing?

vote: tss, based on the fact that if IS is the cop, I'm the next pope.

This is your gut instinct.. yet...

Here's my problem. Tss is claiming cop - a role no one else has claimed. And well -Internet Stranger IS the paragon of mafia hunters.

This is incorrect. We have had two cop types in the Junkie and the Rolename Finder. (Roland was Mackay, PB was Hey_Herb). Both of those are cop types.

Cop had be claimed 2 other times. I'm a roleblocker, and could prove my role at night. Let's vote no-lynch and let me prove it..

Especially since, Leo, we STILL don't know your role.

Okay.. I really need to make this point.

Leo's scum with TSS. There. I said it.

Leo made a fatal mistake, and he caught himself. Do not let him get away with it.

He put the NEXT to last vote on his scum buddy, TSS. They, when he noticed it, he knew that InHim would pull the save.. or lack thereof, and kill him. 1 scum down.

It is incredibly obvious to me that TSS, Leo and InHim

are the final few scum members.

I don't know. Maybe it's just me. Maybe it's just the fact that from day 1 on I was fighting with Axelrod (since it's always a great idea to mess with, vote for, and call for the head of my scum buddy day 1, day 2 and day 3, right? ***PLEASE NOTE SARCASM***

Wake up town. Do not be led to your graves by the scum.

[LoudmouthLee]

Hint: When was the last time TSS and Axel agreed on something? Oh yeah, It was day 1 with the "Vote count mishap".

TSS showed his true colors here... about the Vesuvan Bandwagon (in which I thought I was voting 8th) and him and Axelrod gently trying to tag team a bandwagon on me.

By the way.. Pg 3. Posts 50-74

[LoudmouthLee]

Would there be a cop in this game? Yes. Could IS be it? Yes, and we have no one else claiming the role. Anyway - one single role-name finder is not enough for the town.

Quick look at TSS's results.

Night 1: MeMe - mafia.
Night 2: LoudmouthLee - mafia.
Night 3: NanookTheWolf. Blocked.
Night 4: inHim - not mafia.
Night 5: Nanook - not mafia.

(Leo note: Nanook is dead and proven town)

Night 6: Leonidas - not mafia.

I find it remarkable that MeMe and LML would talk their way out of the lynch at this juncture.

If we have 3 left, and we're at a lynch or lose situation, TSS's plan is perfect. And scary.

Notice, 6 "nights" and 5 "results" and amazingly *4* of them still alive, with NONE of them night killed.

That seems like an ODD cop record. (HINT: When a cop claims he's investigated people who are alive, he's playing on the sentementality of the person who's alive).

Leonidas says that we're trying to talk our way out of a lynch... For a guy who's normally a GREAT player, he's failing to see something obvious.

What if (and they are) the results are made up? HELLO!

So, let's make this easy. I'm going to

Unvote: TSS and Vote: No Lynch

Give me a chance to prove my role.

[LoudmouthLee]

Whoa, gone for a 1/2 day, and a page and a half...

PS: Is MeMe was scum, would her bandwagon have caught so quickly? Seems that the scum were REALLY looking for a lynch of MeMe.

I'm going to take a re-read, but it seems that no one is interested in me blocking without a lynch tonight. I don't get it, since everyone's assuming we're in a LAL situation...

[LoudmouthLee]

How about this, TSS. You're the cop? I'll block YOU tonight. If my block doesn't go through, lynch me.

I'm beginning to think that there's something screwy going on.

TSS, MeMe... I'm thinking that something is not right here... so follow me, please, and at least keep an open mind.

TSS, I'm innocent. I'm very confused and angry right now, so I'm TRYING to keep this in check.

So, here's my question...

Could a mafia member have a power... such as switching night actions of people?

For instance, Could my target been switched with someone elses? Could your targets be switched as well? I mean... I believe I blocked you.. and you're saying I didn't.

We have had a large amount of townies in this game... a bit TOO much, IMHO.

I'm frustrated and concerned, because a lynch of me will mean a LOSS FOR THE TOWN.

[LoudmouthLee]

DP, can I have a votecount, please?

[LoudmouthLee]

Well then... think about it Leo...

While her fellow scums are relatively quiet now - especially LML, (the guy who dared to claim Samadhi - part-time blocker, in this setup, when Antrax was proven to be a scum role, and the role-blocker was dead),

Let's tackle this 1 at a time... If I would have been posting ANYWHERE else.. (and I haven't been), you would have a legit gripe. However, life gets in the way, especially when the school year is in full throttle.

Next, you claim that I have some sort of audacity of claiming my role. With roles like "Polarboy" out there, I could have VERY easily claimed ANYONE as a Townie.

I won't talk about how Werebear doesn't seem like a likely townie. It really doesn't matter. I'll re-read and continue with any analysis.

But, for now..

Unvote: No Lynch and Vote: Leonidas

[LoudmouthLee]

Because I look innocent. How could that be? Because I am innocent.

But of course. It isn't like you're well known as a very good player who could look innocent as scum. Not at all, nope.

Of course you're going to act like his investigations are non-negotiable and that anyone questioning them should be "lynched on [that] alone."

This is a misrepresentation of what Leo said. He did not say that you should be lynched for questioning my sanity; he said you should be lynched for saying that Nanook's finding doesn't indicate anytihng

because it was revealed after Nanook died.

d8p:
If this were a gambit, I did it really stupidly. First I announced

yesterday

that MeMe and LML were both of opposite alignment from Nanook, and begged inHim to use his role to save Nanook if he could, which would have

forestalled

lynch-or-lose. After that I named two guilties, when by definition of LOL, all I had to do was name one and get them lynched. Why make a needless enemy out of (say) Lee, who had been declaring me "a pro-town maven" for most of the game? Third, I acknowledged MeMe getting my role right while denying that Lee had blocked as he claimed. I didn't have to do either; both had put their own roles out before I did mine. Were I scum with or without them, I could have acknowledged both their roles or neither. Had I said, "Gotcha! I'm actually quercitron the cop!" or the like, it would have been strightforward my word against MeMe's, and Leonidas would probably have gotten lynched in the bargain. Instead I injured my own case by acknowledging that MeMe

had

done what she claimed to be able to do but still insisting that I had gotten a guilty result on her.

Also please note that LoudmouthLee has mysteriously clammed up about the blocks he never made. He has claimed one, and that one contradicted

and

implausible prima facie for other reasons. He's scum, I tells ya, scum who knows he's botched his claim but good and is hoping no one notices. Well, Lee my boy, consider yourself noticed.

Anouncing intent...

TSS, I'm blocking you tonight, assuming there is a night. If you're a cop, then you should be blocked tonight.

I'm still incredibly confused, so before we jump to anything, let me know.

I'm going to prove my innocence tonight, assuming there is a night. I have never been so lost in regards to a mafia game.

I still WONT vote for MeMe. According to TSS (who SOUNDS like a cop, although he's calling me scum), we're alligned the same.

If TSS is good, then he has some sort of cop mental deficiency. Otherwise, the game is over already.

I still think a no-lynch is the best plan of action for today. We're in lynch and lose (according to most), and I still believe (unless my math is off), my blocking ability enables me to prove myself tonight, without the possibility of losing the game.

Bah.

Unvote, Vote: No Lynch

Of course, y'all won't listen.

[LoudmouthLee]

As to the self-proclaimed-part-time-blocker-Samadhi-with-a-'mafia'-result-on-his-head (the one who keeps pushing for a sub-optimal no lynch at this juncture), yeah, he should probably get it too

Leo, I have more of a problem with the following...

You said that my idea of No Lynch is sub-optimal. I plead for the town to hear me out, for I believe that what I'm saying will SAVE the game for the town.

#1) I know this sounds crazy, but I believe that IS is a RANDOM cop. I have a way to prove this, of course. I'm asking for a

NO LYNCH

because it is more optimal than a

WRONG LYNCH

.

#2) I believe, as of right now, TSS to be INNOCENT. I believe he's a victim of a BAD ROLE. So, by voting NO LYNCH, I'll be able to successfully block TSS. This way, my role can be proven, and we can go from there. I'd rather dispel the fact that BOTH MeMe and I are scum (Logically, A^B), for I know that the subset of B (me being scum) is definately wrong.

I do not believe that MeMe has played scummy. We're metagaming here. We're pulling a MAJOR WIFOM and guessing that MeMe was a little "too slick". Let's not make a mistake like that.

I'm asking for a

NO LYNCH

because it's NOT detrimental to the town. Instead, it's helpful. TSS will either say I blocked him (proving my innocence) or I didn't block him (proving his guilt in my death).

It's a fantastic play, gambit free.. (worst case scenario is that TSS and I are scum together, right? When he says I blocked him and you choose to lynch me anyway based of paranoia, you'll know who to lynch next.)

Look. I wouldn't be trying this if I was scum. It's

IMPOSSIBLE

for me to get out of if I was scum. Instead, I'm helping the town by showing my ability. Simple. Plain as day.

Confirm Vote: No Lynch

[LoudmouthLee]

Damnit. REREAD!

I take it all back, you're nuts. You are all consistently ignoring what I say.

Vote: LoudmouthLee

You all deserve to lose, anyway.

Congrats, scum.

[LoudmouthLee]

I said it, again and again.

I can block. Instead, you're trying to get rid of me. ASSHOLES. I said I think that there's a switcher about... Ignored.

ASSHOLES

I hope you give me the guess the damn setup award at the end of this game.

I think I need a break from mafia.

[LoudmouthLee]

Yeah. Way to go speedlynch.

[LoudmouthLee]

I'm proud of all of you. Congrats, Scum.

[LoudmouthLee]

How is there gonna be another day? You JUST LYNCHED YOUR ROLEBLOCKER!

[LoudmouthLee]

I'm not particularly fond of players who quote themselves. But then again,

this

quote is definitely true...

This is a great vintage of MeMe scum play, you don't get a bottle of that every day - it's like drinking Chateau Petrus 1989.

Apart from MeMe, the scum team collectively did great. inHim's claim was absolutely believable. And it was used very nicely when the mafia tried to lynch tss and pull out an instant win.

LML was impressive with his self confidence all the way to the end, in spite of being fingered by a cop. Why he had to pick Samadhi as his claim, I hesitate to guess. He could have picked anybody - anybody. Dourgrim. Macros. d8p. MeMe. Matchcam. Fletcher. DP (instant lynch, but funny)...

The climax of the game was arguably the Axelrod sacrifice, which was a true work of art. It baffled everyone, made it extremely difficult to believe that MeMe was scum, etc. Brilliant.

So now to the question: who thought of the sacrifice of Axelrod? Had you prepared the false clues for just such an occasion? Or did MeMe just jump on the opportunity?

The sac of Axel was impromptu.

However, the reason I claimed Samadhi-

The power roles were all people who were actually AT jeepfest. That REALLY messed with me, as I should have stuck with my original claim idea. (Casinopete)

The fact that I was Luna made it VERY difficult for me to associate myself with MeMe at all, unless, of course, we claimed a masonry.

However with a cop investigation (such as TSS) it would nail us both (as happened ANYWAY).

I tried a million and a half gambits. I still, Leo, find you to be one of the most amazing players. I look forward to endgames with you. Maybe once I won't be mafia

I was blessed to be on MeMe's team. I believe to to be a mutual respect we have for each other. It's pretty amazing

Thanks for the game, DP, GO SCUM, and Congrats townies.