mini 883-Krazy Mafia Disaster- Game Over. Who won?

[Haylen]

hmm...what'll happen if I do this:

Vote Haylen

Claim flying vig roleblocking duck mad scientist meatshield.

Welcome to Haylenville.

[Haylen]

hmm...what about this?

Unvote
Vote: Mafia

[Haylen]

lol.

Unvote
Vote The Mafia in this game

[Haylen]

lol.

Unvote
Vote The Mafia in this game

If your previous attempt didn't work, why would this?

No harm in trying, is there
Lol. Im suspicious as to why they mods playing too...

[Haylen]

I blacklisted him from my modded games.

He is also blacklisted from mine at least temporarily, for trying to tell another player i was his scumbuddy in NG825, after he was dead. Plus a load of other stuff. I know one other player has done this for these reasons too.

If CSL wants to discuss this in private (in a calm manner), I will be more than willing, but I am very unlikely to change my mind.

Anyway, I was celebrating the thanksgiving holiday too.

If I had a penny for every person who is not even trying to scumhunt here....

You wouldn't have more than 9 pennies

Everyone needs to post more content. Back in a few hours, got an exam and a lecture.

[Haylen]

Hi, I'm sorry I live in an entirely different timezone to the rest of you. I have had exams, my next one is on Thursday (Social Psychology).

Anywho, I don't like CSL joining my bandwagon after seemingly being coached. It's scummy. This is after he told everyone I've been busy.

Orto, I don't really think that question counts as scumhunting.

[Haylen]

hi post when i return from work. It's 5am...my work are bastards....

[Haylen]

Hello, yep, I'm busy and inattentive. I should've gone V/LA 3 days ago yet didn't. As usual.

I don't like CSL for jumping on my bandwagon ect still.

[Haylen]

Hang on! I smell a rat. Or at least a B-Mod.

6

might

lynch.

[Haylen]

Ahhhhhhhhh! Players need to stop using my emotions against me

[Haylen]

Psst. Am I meant to be doing this commentary thing?

[Haylen]

Ah Ok. I'll get right on it PBPA.

[Haylen]

We'll all be lucky if i get my post done by tonight. Im to upset right now.

[Haylen]

We'll all be lucky if i get my post done by tonight. Im to upset right now.

[Haylen]

We'll all be lucky if i get my post done by tonight. Im to upset right now.

[Haylen]

We'll all be lucky if i get my post done by tonight. Im to upset right now.

[Haylen]

HAHAHAHA WOW, SO THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN ZACH KILLS THE SITE. DAMN, IGNORE THE REST OF THOSE POSTS.

[Haylen]

I'm writing my PBPA now.

Give me around 6 hrs

[Haylen]

K. It's gonna take me a bit longer to do my PBPA than i thought due to getting into a religious argument with a friend that was (and still is being) rather time consuming. I'm giving myself a deadline of 12pm tomorrow lunch time, my time.

At least i've warned people this time...

[Haylen]

CSL

Post 1. Confirmation. Nothing scummy yet.
Post 2. Changes vote during the RVS. Why not just vote for Zoraster first? Vote hopping is scummy because it shows a lack of conviction. It paths the stones for them to be able to not take responsibility for lynches ect.
Post 4. Admits to active lurking. Anti-town.
Post 5. Tells everyone that I am busy, then votes for me 4 posts later for lurking after prompting from another player. Scummy.
- Wagon hops, indecision = scummy
- I don't like his 40th post, it's like he's hinting that he is always right, and that the town should lynch him. Appeal to Authority.
- Does not give any reasons as to why Orto is the best bet for todays lynch. Again, showing indecision, looks like he has no reason why we should lynch Orto. Perhaps because he knows his alignment?
- Refuses to say why people are the best lynch bets. Antitown, boardering scummy.

Conclusion: Would be willing to lynch.

[Haylen]

BTW Ive taken to doing PBPA's in installments, because im easily distracted.

[Haylen]

I get a very town read from DTM's posts because he actively scumhunts in all of them.

[Haylen]

BTW, threat's dont work with me. Dont get shirty. The whole game isnt fucking about you.

[Haylen]

I'm UK time. Yes, I missed my deadline, i've also missed 3 assignment deadlines in the past week.

[Haylen]

I miss every deadline I'm given, even my own. Always have, always will. It's not delibrate. It's just what I do.I've said it at least once in every game i've been in, including the one i'm modding. It's a null tell for me.

Now stop fucking distracting me from my PBPA.

[Haylen]

Yep. I'm completely useless on Day One of games. It's nothing about how many games i'm in. I'm just not entirely sure how to approach it.

CSL, why did you not answer my post, but did comment that you would vote me if i did post?

Ortolan, when are you going to start to play properly?

I'd be up for either an Orto or CSL lynch.

[Haylen]

Im trying to work out who it would be more beneficial to vote for.

Hmm. CSL today.

Vote CSL

I want Orto to up his game, I know he plays better than this.
And i promise to post every day! (At least during the week)

[Haylen]

oops. unvoting...

Unvote, Vote CSL

I still dont like that '6 might lynch' thing...

[Haylen]

Are you all telling me that there are no posts withing 14 hours? Pick up the pace, people; we got scum to lynch.

Are you telling me that you still haven't replied to my post?
You haven't scumhunted at all. Yet you are moaning about people not posting.

[Haylen]

I have a black kettle.

[Haylen]

Oh! Just been told the black kettle thingy is a saying about hypocrisy. At least I've tried to scumhunt.

[Haylen]

Their point is that you're scummy, hence the votes...

[Haylen]

CSL, don't you think Orto should claim before we hammer him? You seem very eager for someone who isnt yourself to be lynched. Why is this?

[Haylen]

I am confused I will work it out eventually though. Tonight. After dinner.

[Haylen]

Is this the time for a MC? Or are we not in lylo get. I am confused

[Haylen]

Want to come clean? He's already killed you anyway.

[Haylen]

I lol'd.

[Haylen]

I investigated Pom actually...and got a guilty (wtf?)

So I'm a cop with questionable sanity. I breadcrumbed it here:

I am confused I will work it out eventually though. Tonight.

Hoping that I might have been able to investigate myself to get a confirmation of my sanity levels.

[Haylen]

Haylen's poor bread crumb was poor. I'd admit to that.

I've never breadcrumbed before in a game where I had a real PR. The only one I did do was in cr3t1n's where I a Nilly. I had a self preserving complex. *shrugs*

If I am correct then my role is testable.

[Haylen]

Are we in lylo or mylo? What I mean is, is this the time where we're meant to no lynch?

[Haylen]

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

I failed by 2 mins

[Haylen]

V/LA for 2-ish days due to sickness. Posting this everywhere.

Noted.

[Haylen]

Im here. Just trying to get my head round the game, that's all. I dont understand the thing about the double hammer.

Im trying to work out currently what I can do to get an understanding of my sanity at the moment. I'm obv not a Naive cop because Pom would've come up as a innnocent reveal which leaves Insane, Paranoid and Sane. I say sane because after cr3t1n's i will never ever rule out the possibility of a mafia framer in a non-open game. Then of course, there's a Random Cop, which is a bastard role, since we're playing a B-Mod game, that one cant be ruled out either.

Any ideas how this can be unravelled?

[Haylen]

Haylen's Analysis

UncertainKitten/ForbiddenLight

Post One - Informs us from the start that she cannot vote. This is good because it gave us information to go on and was believable when she claimed. Witholding information from the town is a scumtell, and she did the opposite and was truthful. Thus town points.

But then in her second post says 'i hope I dont get killed for it' This infers that she is not working with the town because she seems more worried about her own win here than the towns, if that makes sense. Maybe a third party tell? Anyway, scum points.

Post 4, she says that she would vote for Pom, but doesnt elaborate on why. Can you explain the 'I might vote for Pom just to place my vote. Seeing as she doesnt'?

Post 6, she seems to get a little bit stressed in when someone says they have their eye on here. Why the effort to stay out of suspicion, UK? Only scum have their reasons not to want to be in the limelight.

Post 9, she points out that in another game she claimed something ridiculous and they town believed her because it was too crazy a claim to fake. If you really cant vote UK, then place a vote on someone to prove it in the next votecount. I want proof that you arent just making another gambit.

She then goes on to say 'Someone do something scummy so I can attack them with the force of a great typhoon' This rubs me up the wrong way because it's like she's again trying to get everyone off her back and onto another player.

Trying to get players to post is protown.

Gives fair reasons for voting people, such as her attack on CSL.

I notice a definate change in tone by in her posts 19 and 20: why is my lack of a vote on someone 'useful' not good, yet you only wish you knew why Prozac wasnt voting? This could suggest a scumbuddy-ship between her and Prozac...til I remember that he's a Vig...

Her Iso's on CSL and Orto were fine, btw, no strawmanning or anything.

Post 62, says that she dislikes my cop claim but doesnt explain why she doesn't like it. How is a person meant to defend themselves against attacks over their claim when it isnt explained why it is disliked?

Keeps saying that she would like me to lynch and again does not explain why.

I don't like hows she's eager to lynch people to end the game, even if she thinks the people being lynched are town. Wanting to lynch townies is very very antitown.

Julienvonwolf

Doesnt really post much content in the beginning, the majority of it is Information instead of Analysis, which isn't very helpful to the town.

I'm not sure whether it's because he hasn't posted much content, or if it's because I'm tired, but I really dont have a very good read on him at the moment.

I could easily see him as being a Mafia Double Voter though due to the early lurking, the IIofA earlier in the game and the lack of content, seeing as this is a bastard mod.

DTM

@Haylen
Actually, this is premature, but shouldn't it be: LYNCH ALL ANTI TOWN FACTIONS? To take into account SKs and such.

How do you know there's an SK in the game, at the beginning of the game? Is it because you are one? A Day SK...wouldnt put it past a basard mod to put a day SK in a game actually.

But then, I have liked the rest of his posts. He has scumhunted and asked the right questions of people all through the game, and is generally playing very closely to his town meta.

I dont want to analyse Prozac right now because him wanting me out of the game upset me

I get the feeling I need to do a more indepth read into DTM, and will do so tomorrow, when it isn't 1.13am.

[Haylen]

BTW. if you try to lynch me, I'm not voting KMD.

Why? Because I'm not just gonna sit back and watch scum win.

[Haylen]

Out of the claims and common sense, Haylen is the best vote.

Why am I the best vote? and why dont people like my claim?

[Haylen]

It wouldn't surprise me if ProzacVig was actually ProzacSK, i've seen way too many SK's claim vig for it not to rub me up the wrong way.

[Haylen]

Yes, I am.

[Haylen]

Vote Porochaz

I'll post my already written analysis later.

[Haylen]

Vote No Lynch

Prisoners Dilema, i want to you NK each other.

[Haylen]

Btw, I got an innocent on Julien. I guess i'm probably insane then.

[Haylen]

Unless it's only Julien and everything he has is doubled...double vote/double kill. Which would be bastardly, but balanced, I think.

I would prefer to go into night if I am sure we have a prisoners dilema but that wouldn't be cool if Julien is the only scum.

I want both of you to try and convince me you are town via explaining why the other is scum and why you yourself at town, please.

And then we will discuss whether it's a prisoner's dilema or a Julien Double Kill, or a DTM double kill, which I think is way less likely...

DTM: Do NOT Day Kill.

Sorry i've been as innattentive as I have been. I've overextended myself with games again and modding takes up more time than I anticipated. Oh well though, we've all done it at some point or another ^.^

[Haylen]

Um...I forgot to mention a little detail.
I'm bulletproof. Kmd probably did that to balance out the whole sanity issues, I thought I was a bit overpowered when I read my role PM, should've seen something like that coming

So we either lynch me today and you both draw, or we go into night and you both shoot each other and town wins.

I'm not sure what to do though if Julien really does have a double kill cause that means we'll lose if we don't lynch him anyway.

Why didn't I say I was bulletproof before? Too many Xylbot games where people sont claim the bulletproof part of their role. I'm under the impression that that's how you play it.

[Haylen]

Um...I forgot to mention a little detail.
I'm bulletproof. Kmd probably did that to balance out the whole sanity issues, I thought I was a bit overpowered when I read my role PM, should've seen something like that coming

So we either lynch me today and you both draw, or we go into night and you both shoot each other and town wins.

I'm not sure what to do though if Julien really does have a double kill cause that means we'll lose if we don't lynch him anyway.

Why didn't I say I was bulletproof before? Too many Xylbot games where people sont claim the bulletproof part of their role. I'm under the impression that that's how you play it.

[Haylen]

Haylen. Why on earth did you choose to claim bullet proof now? Also, why didn't you proactively scum hunt if you were bullet proof cop?

For serious, you could jump into the fray and not be worried about scum nightkilling you as super townie cop with sanity issues. Your lurker play is part of the normal PR play style (stay under the radar) throughout the game.

I wasn't exactly sure how to play it. I've been PR once or twice before, and I did exactly the same thing there as I did here. These sorts of things don't enter my head: 'Oh look, you can't get NK'd, you can be as protown and active as you want.' What entered my head was: 'Oh crap, PR, must play this as I usually do.'

So the type of PR I am didn't come into it.

[Haylen]

Prods all round please, mod

Nobody is in Prod range, but due to your request, I'll prod DT and Julien.

[Haylen]

Lol. Sorry for lurking and being inactive. I'd had my fake claim setup from the word go, so I had to play the part of what I thought a protown PR would do

Because I killed Prozac last night, I was given an extra kill due to the whole Adaptable thing. And I knew we were in Prisoners Dilemna. My idea was that if I convinced the other scum we were in PD, then they would no lynch with me. I claim bullet proof, so they try to kill the other player during the night instead of me. Then I kill them both and win.

[Haylen]

DAMMIT HAYLEN DID YOU WIN AS THIRD PARTY AGAIN!? Dear GOD woman!

You sounded so so much like someone I know IRL then...

[Haylen]

She's Asian and wears really short skirts and showy off tops and likes to do things with people in public....

[Haylen]

You'd probably like her.

[Haylen]

Haylen, again???

Yeah! Lol, at least I had a full strategy this time.

[Haylen]

Haylen, again???

Yeah! Lol, at least I had a full strategy this time.

[Haylen]

Haylen, again???

Yeah! Lol, at least I had a full strategy this time.