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But how can I not be held accoutable for a dice roll? I do beleive that I can be accountable for a dice roll.Tracey wrote:Because basing votes on contrary movie tastes will hold someone accountable for those votes in the future?
Your asking me what I think of a dice roll... When I used a dice roll? To tell you the truth, I don't see why it's so scummy (Well, I can see it as being scummy if it's not in the RVS but you know what I mean). It's just another random vote thats in reality not any more random then any other. In fact, how do you know no one else voted on random.com or something but just wouldn't tell any of us? So no, I do not feel it is anti-town or policy lynch worthy.Leon wrote:Many feel that using a dice method to cast your votes is not showing your own responsibility of casting a vote, and man feel, as well, that it is Anti-Town. With that being said, some view it also as policy lynch worthy. What do you think?
Also, how is this question helpful to the town?
It is near impossible to have a RVS for the whole day unless everyone decided to beforehand. The reason for this is because eventually someone would gain the courage to put a serious vote up and end the RVS on someone that put down a scummy RVSStuart wrote:The idea is that just because you claim to vote for that reason doesn't mean its all there was to it. There are underlying decisions that scum have to make. ie: Whether to vote for each other or not. When you remove all decision making it removes the point of the RVS. How do you expect the game to move forward if everyone only random voted?
Vote reason? So I have a reason to vote Claude? Um... I'm not sure how you think the voting mechanic works but it is comepletly random. Also, even if I were to have a reason would rolling a dice really be better then voting someone because of a movie or something?Edward wrote:i personally think dice = a reason to hide your vote reason.-
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But how can I not be held accoutable for a dice roll? I do beleive that I can be accountable for a dice roll.Tracey wrote:Because basing votes on contrary movie tastes will hold someone accountable for those votes in the future?
Your asking me what I think of a dice roll... When I used a dice roll? To tell you the truth, I don't see why it's so scummy (Well, I can see it as being scummy if it's not in the RVS but you know what I mean). It's just another random vote thats in reality not any more random then any other. In fact, how do you know no one else voted on random.com or something but just wouldn't tell any of us? So no, I do not feel it is anti-town or policy lynch worthy.Leon wrote:Many feel that using a dice method to cast your votes is not showing your own responsibility of casting a vote, and man feel, as well, that it is Anti-Town. With that being said, some view it also as policy lynch worthy. What do you think?
Also, how is this question helpful to the town?
It is near impossible to have a RVS for the whole day unless everyone decided to beforehand. The reason for this is because eventually someone would gain the courage to put a serious vote up and end the RVS on someone that put down a scummy RVSStuart wrote:The idea is that just because you claim to vote for that reason doesn't mean its all there was to it. There are underlying decisions that scum have to make. ie: Whether to vote for each other or not. When you remove all decision making it removes the point of the RVS. How do you expect the game to move forward if everyone only random voted?
Vote reason? So I have a reason to vote Claude? Um... I'm not sure how you think the voting mechanic works but it is comepletly random. Also, even if I were to have a reason would rolling a dice really be better then voting someone because of a movie or something?Edward wrote:i personally think dice = a reason to hide your vote reason.-
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Well I doubt there would be no discussion... Scummy people get voted. Simple as that. And besides, how does this even help the game? Do you see a scenerio where we're all dice voting?Stuart wrote:A scummy random stage vote you say? And when all the votes are done randomly, with dice, in thread, which vote would that be? I think you just prove my point for me.-
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Unless I am mistaken he asked me: a person who RVed with a dice about what I thought about policy lynches on dice rollers. Now what did you think I would answer?Leon wrote:If it's policy lynch worthy? Why wouldn't it be? I see no reason for why it wouldn't be beneficial. That is, asking the question itself.-
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Yes, that is true bt what did you honestly think my answer would be? If you ask a person that dice votes if they should policy lynch dice voters or not, wouldn't the answer be no? Scum or town?Leon wrote:Well, that depends. In a situation such as so, it is very easy to get a read off of a person by gauging their answer. If you were town, would it matter if it were policy lynch worthy? After all, it is just a question. You answered in a way that makes me look at you more now.
Edward wrote:what do you think if i say you guys look scummier if you don't follow my plan compared to the one who vote me?
How would we be scummier if we do/don't follow your plan?edward wrote:to all : i was in another game and one of the player suggested the other player vote for himself.
in this case, i want the you guys to vote me..
what do you think if i say you guys scum if don't follow my plan?
Also, I would reccomend not saying that kind of stuff like "I was in this one game where" it lets other players know who you are.[/quote]-
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He said "I was in this one game where" which gives people a better idea as to who they are.Emile wrote:Since we're using alt. accounts, meta will be useless, unless you seriously do a lot of digging. Pretty much everything will have to come from inside the thread.
He didn't self vote. He just said "If I self voted and I told you to vote me and you were scummy if you did/didn't what would you do?"Gerard wrote:What you did is as good as self voting, and while I'm not a huge fan of policy lynching I think you deserve it. So you get what you want, and I get to vote a self voter. Win win.
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Leon, I think you need to look at this one part of Igor's post that you seemed to ignore.
Igor wrote:LEON. Are you saying that people think they know who is scummy before they first post?and that every vote has good logical reasons this early in the game?Thus you are impling that we are all supper cops have esp, and never vote in RV. RVS is to start an early band wagon not to toss real votes on scummers around. However the scum will most likly not vote for one of their buddys, but other then that rvs votes are as good as that.
None of the votes in the RVS are logical or have good reasoning. and also, all random votes are more are less random thus the random part of the random vote. Lets use your example: The reasoning is Player A has no votes. What if he did have votes and someone else didn't? See, random. Who they vote is based on who has votes and who doesn't.-
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EBWOP- Thae last part of my post didn't show up.
No vote in the RVS has a logicay good reason. Also, all votes in the RVS are more or less random. Lets use your example: PlayerA is getting voted because there are no votes on him. Suppose PlayerA DID have votes while Player B didn't. The voter would vote PlayerB, not PlayerA. Since on the RVS stage both players are equally likely of getting voted it is random on who the voter in this example will vote. The vote depends on who has votes and who doesn't.-
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Sry I wasn't on much yesterday but I'm really busy so i have to make this post short.
Sigh... Please explain your votes before you put them on please. Why are you voting stuart? Smells like scum is not a good excuse. I have no idea what the heck you are doing.Stuart wrote:vote Emile Buchard
Also, I agree with Emile about the meta thingy. Metaing is not really scummy. And while it does help town more then scum the rules say not to so yeah.-
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What... The ... hell?
:sighgs at Stuart:
Because the reason you are voting them is because they "Smell like scum". You give no reason why they smell like scum or anything. Seriously, if you vote someone give a goddamned reason! Why do they smell like scum?Stuart wrote:Please prove that my vote is baseless.
I cannot prove your vote is random but since you give no reason other then "smells like scum" I am going to have to say it is.Stuart wrote:Please prove that my vote is random/arbitrary.
Since your so into this let's do it. Please prove that your reason isn't crap logic.Stuart wrote:I stand by everything I've said, if you think something I've said was crap logic then you are wrong.
Seriously though, insted of telling the town to prove they are right. Why don't you prove that we are wrong. Try defending yourself. I think my mind is made up. I am going tovote: Stuart Whyte-
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Emile- You state all these people who you think are scummy but who do you find the most scummy out of those?
I agree. If he is a townie he's just hurting us. Town has no reason to not give any reasoning about their already bad vote while scum does. And honestly stewart do you really think you're going to get anywhere by asking people to prove that your vote isn't baseless whether or not you actually have a base or not?Tracey wrote:Sure, but a smart townsperson would never defend a weak vote by asking others to prove it is wrong, especially when the vote is so obviously weak.-
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If you vote isn't baseless or arbitary then tell us what the reason is. Also, I like how you were able to just post without answering ANY questions people asked you. You have been going the whole game without explaining yourself at all. I'm assuming you want us to follow you on your vote don't you? The whole point of a vote is to get others to joing you and lynch the person. If you can't get the town to agree with you emile isn't going to get lynched.Stuart wrote:So a couple key points to touch on. You have no way of knowing that my vote is baseless or random/arbitrary. You cant think it all you want, you can even be quite sure of it, and you can vote me because of it, but please dont assert it as a fact </3. Also while we are on it, I directed each of these questions at a different person, in the future please don't answer questions asked of other people before they can.
Also, I think my reasons for voting Stuart are pretty obvious and for all you people out there who don't know it's pretty much the same as everybody elses: Bad reasoning, lack of explanations etc.
It would really help the town if you would just TELL US THE REASON! You are hurting town by not telling us so spill it.Stuart wrote:Not going to admit my logic is bad, but even if it were bad logic isn't a scum tell, its an idoit tell.
Stuart is getting increasingly scummy by the moment. The only reason I could think of that you not telling us the reason for your vote is that you are a secret day cop that got a guilty on emile. I doubt this. Why can't you tell us.stuart wrote:I thought that did a decent job of answering everyones questions but to be clear: My vote is serious, I'd be happy to see him die atm. I have no intention of revealing why.
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No... No it is not. If you can tell me how it is anti-town I will lay off you for the vote but it is not anti-town unless under extreme circumstances. And besides, if the town was to not explain any of their votes how would we get any new veiws and matters. people can't even defend themselves if they don't know what they're being voted for. Emile is not going to get lynched unless they have reasons.Stuart wrote:Or explaining votes is anti-town.
We're going to lose if we lynch you? Unless you can prove that you're not scum there is no point to this.Stuart wrote:This is fail logic. If you lynch me now then that is 1 more mislynch = it wouldn't be lylo but simply already lost.
Holy... um, why don't you just tell us? It is anti town to not tell us you know...Stuart wrote:Might get around to it, might not. See how the game goes.
That post was just to show him how rediculous it was to not explain his vote. I wasn't trying to rolefish. in fact, I think the only way that could truely be considered rolefishing is if he actually is a secret daycop.Claude wrote:@Jamie: looks like you are fishing for Stuart's role in post 109:-
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:sighs at Stuart:
Obviously you've read my post due to you posting after me and I still haven't got an answer. My questions for you:
1. Why did you vote Emile other than the reason "Smells like scum"?
2. Why can't/couldn't you explain your vote on Emile?
These are both serious questions and I don't want a "I'll get around to it later maybe" Unless you have a reason not to (Such as RL issues, being busy etc.)
Right now Stuart seems to just be stalling at this point. And I see the point that he could be a jester or something but I'm willing to keep my vote on for a bit longer until I get an answer from him.-
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what do you want feed back on? Why can't you give me a straight answer?Stuart wrote:I have responded to his question even if I haven't answered it. I want feed back from the previously qouted portion before I go further with it.
I'm assuming the bolded part is what you want me to answer isn't it? I do not like that part and I do not know why I didn't comment on it sooner. Sure, let's just talk about what you're giving us especially if what you're not giving us is equally if not more important.stuart wrote:That's not really fair. I didn't answer his question but what I said was relevant to it. Not all questions should be answered mindlessly.
A jester is a third pary role that wins if they get lynched. It's kind of like the Sarah Palin of the mafa world.Gerhard wrote:Isn't a jester a town role? Or is it indy?
Stuart, all we want is for you to tell us why you're voting emile or at least why you can't tell us. Is that too hard to ask?-
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If I am correct your statement is that you only want us to use the reasons that you give us to judge you instead of having everyone argue about it. I disagree with this because really, if you're hiding something and we go along with you you just get a free pass.Stuart wrote:I don't even know what your point addressing the bolded part is saying.
I can settle for this.Gerhard wrote:I hereby agree not to debate the validity of whatever reason Stuart posts for more than a page, but reserve the right to bring it up later in the day if I deem it relevant.
The Supreme Ruler wrote:But this also brings up a major point I've meaning to mention to you all: Do you want your actual accounts revealed? I personally don't think it has any bearing on the game (and don't just reply to this "Oh, well it's important because we can narrow down who's playing each alt", because that's really against the spirit of the game) so I feel I can leave it up to you. Vote Reveal or Vote Not Reveal, and whatever gets a majority vote, will be enforced for the rest of the game...Vote: Reveal at end of game
Claude- Is possible softfishing the only reason you have against me?
Ok... I guess that's beleivable. I am willing to unvote once I hear a reason for your vote but until then my vote will have to stay.Stuart wrote:K, I'm bullet proof.-
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You may be hiding the fact that you have NO reason behind your vote. I have no idea. If you can't tell us you must be hiding SOMETHING. Unless it reveals valuable information I see no reason why you shouldn't. Also, I will be perfectly happy if you tell me why you can't tell the town. (Well, just as long as it makes sense)Stuart wrote:@Jaime: Give me an example of what I'd be hiding? I'm glad you've agreed to the terms, but understand I'm not going to explain the reason behind my vote. At best I'm going to explain why I'm not going to explain the reason behind my vote.
Maybe it's just a one use thing like if he gets hit once he survives but twice and he dies? I don't know much about X-COM and I haven't gotten around to reading that thingy the mod gave us but I'm assuming there are some people who are stronger then others or something.Gerhard wrote:@Those who have played X-Com is there some invincible hero? I doubt it.
I beleive the roleclaim but you have a point. I want to hear what the name is and some flavor so I can beleive it.-
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What I also want is your name thing. For example vanilla townies are able seamen so what is yours. I find it highly unlikely that your name was "bulletproof".Stuart wrote:flavour = I was trusted with some super secret new armour thats immune to sonic weapons and painted it like everyone else's diving suits.
Also, if you can I still want an explanation of at least why you can't tell us why you're voted.-
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Now why would you be unlynchable? With your role you can pretty much just live forever. I'm assuming the role about being immune to sonic weapons was just a mistake on the maods part (assuming your caim is true).Stuart wrote:I've pmed the mod some questions. I'm waiting on him for answers. I had initially assumed I was only nk immune, but given the lynch flavour and the wording of my pm I might also be unlynchable(how cool would that be) I doubt it though. When he responds I'll answer. Also, I'm ignoring the question because only 3 people have agreed to my terms, there are 11 in the game, get the number up to 7-8 and I will talk.
Claude- Please answer my question. Is possible softfishing the only reason you have for FoSing me or is there more out there?
Also in reply to the votecount. Didn't Andrew unvote?-
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I meant unvoting Orsky/Edward. As of his post 10 Andrew has no vote on anyone unless I missed it yet the vote count says his vote was on Orsky.Gerhard wrote:@Jaime - Spencer did. He decided to go after Leon for some answers, and Andrew was never on the wagon, because he would have been the hammer vote, and he wasn't ready to do that.-
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I can't really suspect anyone which is I have to admit one of the cons of this lynch. Everyone who WASN'T on the wagon however would gain some townie points with me.Stuart wrote:@everyone on my wagon: If I'm lynched and come up town who will you suspect because of it?
Again, see above. While I can probably look for scum out of the people on the wagon it's going to take some rereading so if you pop town I will reread everyone in iso and look for scummy people. But yes I agree that if you are town there will probably be 1-2 scum on it. I would assume it would be someone that would be like "Eh... I guess I'll vote him but I'd rather stay out of the way for it"Stuart wrote:@Everyone: I'd also like to hear from everyone else who they think is scum on my wagon should I be town.
But anyway, I agree. The only way I will unvote Stuart at this point is
a. If someone looks even more scummy 9which seems very close to impossible) or
b.He gives me a VERY VERY good reason for his vote on Emile and why he won't tell us his reasons.
I agree. I'm going to try and come up with something on other people soon. I'm going to be watching everyone closely until the end of the day to catch anything.Gerhard wrote:Talking about Stuart has become futile. Lets get up some content about other players, or end the day here, because this case clearly isn't going anywhere.
Again, when I hear a reason for it I can talk about it.Stuart wrote:Atm my top scum suspects:
Scum: Gerhard Spencer Emile
I'd like a response from everyone on the matter before my lynch please.-
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Oh, alright. Then my answer is still the same. I will look into that if you flip town. However, seriously though, do you mind telling us why you can't explain your votes. If you die and flip town we lose all that knoledge. If you were onto something good we will lose that knowledge forever.Stuart wrote:Sorry that I wasn't more clear but I think I was misunderstood here. What I meant was: That list is very temporary and could easily change depending on how people answer my question(about who the scum on my wagon are) Its that question that I want a response on. Not commenets about this scum list.
You're not going to answer him because he won't answer you? Isn't that kind of hypocritical? Really, you should have a good reason for choosing not to answer other then "Well he won't tell me why he's asking me so i'm not going to answer him!"Gerhard wrote:So no, I'm not going to answer your question purely for your benefit. I have no more interest in trying to reason with you, as I have been trying extremely hard since the first page. There is no reason for any of us to answer your questions, since you clearly have no intention of telling us the intention behind those questions-
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Ok, I don't know if this is allowed or not since the night scene is coming up but I am assuming I can talk until it comes up.
Anyway: some quick thoughts.
1. Why otto why did you hammer! Even if he was scum we could have gotten some info. Anyway, if he flips scum I will put you near the top of my FoS list.
2. Again, if Stuart flips town I will be voting Emile most likely since he seemed to be hiding info and that he kept his vote on all freaking day! Stuart has to know something!-
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I forgot.Gerhard wrote:@Jaime- we can talk, there is no night phase remember? There is only a 48 hour twilight in which we can talk but not vote.
Anyway, I think that this whole arguement is just WIFOM. I'm going to be watching Otto however no matter what Stuart flips but overall I doubt we're going to get anywhere by discussing weather or not Otto could be bussing assuming Stuart is scum.-
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Alright then... that was a shocker. Anyway, I'm going to go back and reread everyone in iso and try and find something. My top two suspects however unless I find something are Emile and Otto. I will post my findings tomorrow probably.
Nowever, that brings me to another question. If Stuart was a bulletproof how would he know that Emile was scum (assuming he is)? I highly doubt that his PM just said "Emile is scum. Get him lynched" So the question is, how accurate was Stuart's vote and how likely is it with this info that Emile is scum?-
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The only thing I changed was the fact that I would be watching him or not. If Stuart flipped scum he would have gained town points but I would be watching him because like you all said, he could be bussing. But right now he has major scum points sice Stuart was town.Andrew wrote:The actual argument doesn't matter now that Stuart has flipped town, but why did you change your tune in one post? Would Otto have gained town points in your eyes or not?
Anyway, my top FoS is Otto followed by Emile and I will more likely than not have another scummy person as my third choice soon (can't do it right now, I'm sortof in a hurry and don't have the time to reread.-
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Ok I reread each of these people in iso. The people were Igor, Gerhard, Emile, Claude, and Andrew or the five people on Stuart's bandwagon other then me and Otto.
Anyway, it was pretty hard to come to a conclusion. Each of those five seemed to be attacking Stuart pretty agressively. however, something came to my mind and it might be WIFOM but I'm going to throw it out there.
If Emile is scum and Stuart knows that he's scum somehow wouldn't Emile want to keep Stuart alive just as long as he kept being scummy so that Stuart's secret would just be passed off as idiocy? This all assumes on two things though. One, Emile is to be scum and two, Stuart really did know Emile is scum.
Anyway, out of those five people the person I think is most scummy is either Claude or Andrew. Andrew may have been staying out of the way all like "Well... I think Stuart is scum but I'm going to stay out of the way until the end of the day." which I guess may make sense if he wanted to make sure no one hammered quickly (I'm looking at you Otto)
Claude on the other hand was FoSing me until about his 14th post. Here he comepletely jumped off of me (for then anyway) and onto Stuart. Claude, what made you change your mind from me to Stuart?
Both of thse reasons are both very weak however and I will have my major FoSing on Otto.-
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The only way I think we can confirm his role is if we have a vig and he agrees to shoot Otto tonight or tomorrow (depending if they sent in their night choice already or not). This would be a bad plan however because 1. They'd have to claim in order to confirm him 2. The vig would have to waste one of his shots and 3. We have to hope that Otto isn't a NK immune scum. If he was he'd be falsely confirmed.Claude wrote:if there is anyone who has a way to confirm his role, that would be great, but this would probably imply that a second PR would have to come out, which would be quite catastrophic at the moment.
I assume you mean this part.Claude wrote:post 303: I don't understand, you are suspecting that Stuart had some hidden power that was not revealed after death? This bothers me a lot, so please explain.
If you reread the end of D1 and I think the beginning of tonight a few people were talking about "Well if Stuart wanted Emile dead so badly what if he somehow knew he was scum" I was joining in on that discussion but if you reread my post is said that it assumes that he does. The post was just in reply to the discussion.Me wrote:If Emile is scum and Stuart knows that he's scum somehow wouldn't Emile want to keep Stuart alive just as long as he kept being scummy so that Stuart's secret would just be passed off as idiocy? This all assumes on two things though. One, Emile is to be scum and two, Stuart really did know Emile is scum.-
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Alright, one alien is dead. This is probably going to change what I think of everyone (I have to look at links between Gerhard and everyone else).
Anyway, what happened here? It would appear that we have either a SK or vig out of us (which I'm not really surprised by) but what I'm wondering is what happened to the scums kill?
Also, to snyone that knows about XCOM (since I don't know to much abot it) are there multiple alien races and if so are they at war with each other or something (if there aren't multiple alien races the kill is probably more likely to be a vig kill then an SK kill).-
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The beginning flavor text leads me to beleive that he was either scum or an SK. However, I still want to know are there multiple species of aliens?
Also, Gerhard seemed to be a VERY opportunistic scum: voting both Edward and Stuart when they were the most scummy people. He also attacked Orski (Edward's replacement) which leads me to beleive that whoever the replacement is for Orski is town.
Also, looking back I don't think he pointed anyone out as being town. Sure he defended people like Andrew said but that's not enough incriminating evidence for me to go on. Anyway, I'll keep thinking about this but for now I'll keep my vote off anyone.-
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Thanks! I'll have to try those sometime (I doubt I'll be able to today) but judging from your answer I assume that Gerhard was an scum but the question is... What happened to the scums kill? There is the chance of the bus driver but is there anyone in XCOM that could possibly do that? Meh, I'll just keep this in the back of my head for now.Igor wrote:yes I think I already told you this! he used what the game calls psy powers. He would contrl someone and kill through him. Thats how it works in the game. So he would be considered a mafia sk. I don't think that their is a 3rd party of any sort. Gerard was part of the scum faction. All of the aleins in x-com no matter of race work together never apart. It would help for everybody to actually play a round or two of x-com I have a download site alredy found: http://dosgamer.com/x-com-ufo-defense/, and tftd http://dosgamer.com/x-com-terror-from-the-deep/ you will also need dosbox to run these you can google that or go to: http://www.dosbox.com/download.php?main=1. Play one hour of each (once you get past the learning wall) and then come and ask the town if he was an sk. Try raiding a base in ether game and tell me his role. Go on any ol' mission and tell me if there is an sk.
Did you read the answer to this? I know how bad the chances are but the whole part of this was a reply to the convo of "What if Stuart knows that Emile is scum. That would explain why he wants to lynch him so much!"Claude wrote:Now I briefly discuss Jamie's post 303. Proposing that some powers of Stuart, and namely a power allowing him to "know for a fact" that Emile is scum, were kept hidden after his death seems very unlikely to me. Also, it sounds like an argumentation that was constructed "ad hoc" to support an Emile lynch. This is potentially extremely scummy.
I was anylizing what we had so far. Right now I am split between Otto, Emile, and Andrew. (mainly Otto and Emile but I'm still deciding). If you want me to put on a vote until I 100% decide I'd be happy too but until then my vote stays off.Claude wrote:Also, I dun like players who spread their FoS's and state that they do not want to vote, yet.-
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You do remember that whoever was voted the most for the longest gets autolynched at the end of the day if no person was chosen right? Well unless we all decided to change who we wanted to lynch (and at that point it would be a very scummy person) Stuart would still be the lynch.Otto wrote:I have been following the game with my regular account, but have not been able to commit otherwise due to RL. I have seen whyte get so close to lynch, then evad eit, get close then evade it. I thought he was scummy just like everyone else. Why keep someone around that you know that at one point was super scummy...it will just mess with you at lylo. The kicker also was I couldn't see there being more than one NK-immune PR, but once I saw he was telling the truth after the flip, I felt it was necessary to reveal who I was. You need me at least for a little while longer, if for the very least to help lower your scumpool until lylo. Then at lylo you can decide whether or not to lynch me.
Something about this just seems out of place to me... So right now you are possibly claiming a NK immune that kills whoever tries to kill you? Look at your role PM and tell us if it says that because I doubt you have that power if it doesn't show up in your PM. Also, what did it say about Emile?Otto wrote:But now onto the news. I believe I am the reason Gerhard died. I recieved a message saying that somebody tried to use psionic powers on me, only to fail. Either that or vig shot him down before he could be successful.
Emile was also mentioned in my message from the mod, but whether it was for flavour or if it was for the game I don't know.
As NK immune, I have no worries about sharing info.
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YOU CAN PROBE NOW! Are you sure the only power you have is being NK immune. Since when did you get the power to probe people? Why are you even probing emile's mind anyway?Otto wrote:I tried to probe emile's mind. In doing so I was attacked by a psionic force. I had the skills to defend myself, but apparantly didn't need to worry, cause the attack failed, and the force was gone before I even had to deal with it. I then forgot about finishing my probe on Emile and went to bed.-
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:Shakes head: You do remember what we said to Stuart don't you? In fact, you were even one of the ones that coted him. Why do you vote someone then turn around and do the same thing later?Otto wrote:To pre-empt any of you, I am not explaining any more than I have, until day 3.
So the PM said you just tried to probe someones mind? It didn't say that you could or anything? I should try this tonight...Otto wrote:I sent a smartass night action to the mod, saying that I'm seeing if I have any special unknown abilities and asked to investigate someone. I was joking. But I got a response in return.
How? I state what I did. That prat of the post was in response to the whole "What if Stuart knew something?" arguement?Claude wrote:@Jamie: invoking page 12, where no1 actually referred to Stuart knowing something about scum-identites as you do in post 303, is no answer at all, at least to me. Do better.
You're scrambling for something the town will beleive Otto... You keep changing stuff. "I'm a NK immune townie!""Now I almost used psionic powers!""Now I'm MC Immune" By the way, does your PM say what mind contrlling is exactly?Otto wrote:I am not NK immune, but I am MC immune. Just replace that into my earlier claim and it's 100% correct. I also did PM the mod trying to cheat the system. I informed him that I was fishing for a possible new role and tried to investigate emile. I got a reply back announcing that I tried to probe his mind, but was attacked by psionic powers in the process. I had the ability to defend myself accordingly, but the powers stopped before I even tried to defend myself. I then was too weary to finish probing and went to bed.
Anyway, I see that this (like Stuart) is a scums dream. they can get away with voting Otto with no consequences. And yeah, if Otto is town 1 or 2 scum are on his BW (or will join it by his lynch) but he's just too scummy. So I willVote: Otto-
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Well it sounds like at the beginning he was talking about another game where something like this happened but the end result was good... Then I kind of lost him around the reactionary vig. Then he says that someone else killed Gerhard (Since nwhen did ANYONE think that Gerhard commited suicide?) and he's going to wait until the night is over until... Something.
Sorry to jump in, but I think he means a vengeful townie when he says a reactionary vig...-
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Um, how do you know this? While Gerhard could be a cultist I feel that it is just as likely that he was scum. Also, would this mean that Gerhard was the cult member since I'm assuming that the cultists just mind control people, not turn them into aliens?Spencer wrote:*catches up to Otto's real claim* Okay, so that's it. This explains everything town needs to know - We have a Mafia and a Cult. A Cult member was killed last night.-
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I'm not convinced and looking back i can see why you would think so. I think that he was just as likely to be a cultist, scumClaude wrote:@Jamie: so you are convinced that a sk hit scum-gerhard and not the other way round (scum hit sk-gerhard). Why?or SKsorry for confusing you
Also, it sucks that we lost a cop. Now I really need to reread what Tracy said yesterday (after all, he may have his a guilty)
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Ok, first of all I have found nothing about Tracey possibly getting a guilty. She seemed mostly to want to lynch Otto yesterday and obviouly she didn't get a guilty on him. Other then that Tracey didn't seem to be hitting anyone TOO hard.
Also, I like how everyone FoSes Emile for not posting content when Leon posted even less content...
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It's not. It probably helps town out more then scum. Don't ask me why everyone thought Gerhard was scummy for it.Claude wrote:I do not understand how meta-fishing helps scum more than town. It's against the rules, but how is it a scumtell?
Anyway, I think the main case on Emile is that he doesn't post much content and that he was defending Gerhard. I don't see however how the defending part was really that bad because really, is everyone right 100% of the time?-
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I haven't decided who I want to lynch yet. I am torn between Leon and Emile. Once I hear more from them I can probably decide who to vote.Claude wrote:post 414: Jamie explain his point of view on the Emile's case. Nothing new. Jamie's alingment will depend on what his FoS will turn out to be. Or perhaps not: he never really instsisted to have someone lynched. I have difficulties reading him.
Igor gives me mainly town reads. He's been helping town out in my eyes and his posts usually help out the town. the only thing that I don't like about him is his bad typing skills (no offence) but that's just annoying, not scummy.Claude wrote:@everyone: I would like to collect your thoughts about Igor.-
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The point of that was not weather it was random or not. The point behing that post was because of his baseless vote.Edward wrote:IDIOT. (Or scum, I'm not sure yet- but you've been wrong on every issue). Why would you assume it's random? It clearly
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Someone wasn't reading my post... I wasn't rolefishing. I never said it wasn't scummy if he didn't have that role, I was using a rediculous role as an example.Edward wrote:How the fuck does that work? Fishing to find out if someone has a role is scummy if he does have it, but not if he doesn't?
Yet none of the reasons you gave work if he kept his vote on all day with no explanation even when he was at L-1 and would definately die if he didn't...Edward wrote:NOT EXPLAINING YOUR VOTE DOES NOT MEAN YOU DON'T HAVE A REASON. THERE ARE PLENTIFUL PROTOWN REASONS FOR NOT EXPLAINING THINGS, FOR INSTANCE, YOU WANT TO SEE WHO SEES WHAT YOU SEE. YOU WANT TO SEE IF PEOPLE WILL BLINDLY FOLLOW YOU. PERHAPS YOU WANT TO SEE IF THE VOTEE GIVES THEMSELVES AWAY BY SAYING 'WHY ARE YOU VOTING ME? IS IT ZOR, YOU WANT TO SEE WHO WILL SCUMMILY CLAIM THAT NOT GIVING REASONS IS SCUMMY.
Anyway, just to point something out: If Edward is scum I can easily see him using this post to protect himself "After rereading I think Stuart is pro-town" can be used to get town points for saying a confirmed townie was acting townish (especially since a lot of people thought he was scummy)
Anyway, I agree with Igor. We should put a vote on someone (even if we don't mean it to stay) so I willVote Leonfor posting rare, weak posts.-
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Pretty much. But the point of my vote is to try and find scummy people. And yes Leon it is easy for me to back out on it...Claude wrote:Is your reason for voting Leon just his alleged lack of contents?
Edward wrote:You're REALLY splitting hairs now. I said you assumed it was 'random.' You're saying I'm wrong because you weren't saying it was 'random' you were saying it was 'baseless.' The two are synonymous- you were accusing him of voting without a reason, no?
Oh snap. I guess I wasn't reading my own post. My bad . That was bad logic on my part but still, the main reason of why I was "Rolefishing" was to show him how redicious he was acting.Edward wrote: The only way it could be considered rolefishing is if he actually was a daycop. That's what you said. Now, clearly a person who is rolefishing doesn't know whether the other player has that role in the first place. My point is that whether or not someone is rolefishing clearly isn't dependent on whether the person being fished (or not) actually has the role that may or may not being fished for.
Here's the thing. He never even statedwhy he couldn't tell us the reason behind the vote. that just confuses people and doesn't contibute anything to the game. While this may have been confirmed as just him not being smart now. It was a very scummy play at the time.Edward wrote:Well, yeah. But if you're getting attacked over something you're doing that you think is good and protown, it's human nature to dig your heels in over it. The 'fuck you guys, i'm protown, this is protown, and if you're dumb enough to lynch me over it, you get what you deserve' attitude. He was standing on principle. Standing on principle at the expense of risking lynch is townish- he clearly wasn't playing to survive. I don't think it was smart, but it wasn't scummy either.
I think this is the replacement. Didn't you read the mods latest post?Igor wrote:I tend to want to vote edward to get him out of the way. We had some good town players talking about real issues and then we get this joker around. didn't he get replaced out...
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Edward, I think you need a referesher on what scummy is. Being scummy is something that either a. helps scum more than town or b. hurts town more than scum (Well, there are some conditions that break this but whatev). Stuart fell right under letter b. He hurt town a lot by not telling us what he was thinking and he didn't hurt the scum at all.
Alright, I guess I can agree with you that Emiles post was scummy but how do you know that that was the reason for his vote? If that post was the main reason he voted Emile don't you think he would tell us that instead of hide it all day? How hard would it be for him for tell us that that post was the reason for voting him. Also, you say that there are plenty of reasons someone would hide their vote (they want to see who would follow them, want to see what their reaction is etc.) yet now you say it is because of this post which has nothing to do with the reasons stated.Edward wrote:@Jaime, I don't think he was acting ridiculously. I think I would have voted without explanation there too. That vote came after a particular post of Emile's that was very scummy (go look it up). The natural reaction would be to think it was in response to that. He had a very good point in that all the people who said he was voting 'without reasons' just because he didn't share them were attacking him with craplogic.
Anyway, we're not going to get anywhere by talking about wether Stuart was townie or scummy. Let's get back to the game. Right now I willunvotefor now until new information comes up.-
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I never voted Emile because there were a lot more better candidates (Stuart, Otto, and Leon) however, I am starting to think emile is more and more scummy. And for your second part. How is disagreeing with you about Igor scummy? If you want me to think Igor is scummy you're going to have to tell me why.Andrew wrote:If anyone thinks Emile is scum, they should probably take a look at Jamie as well. Jamie has declared Emile one of his top suspects even before Stuart flipped town but he has never voted him. He also defended Emile's lack of activity in iso 50 by pointing out another weak performer, Leon, and defended Emile with guesswork WIFOM in iso 35. Finally, he has done nothing but agree with and defend my top suspect, Igor.
Alright, fair enough. I'm still not convinced that Igor is scum though and I think Emile or Leon would be a lot better.Andrew wrote:His unique communication skills don't make him scummy, just difficult to literally read. However, I do find him to be one of the scummier players, if not the most. I understand the need to think about what possible roles are out there, but this dude fucking loves to talk about roles, especially a town vig. Igor also supports a Claude lynch because of...what? Claude mentioned his name once? Igor is cool with lynching Edward to get him out of the way. and he apparently wouldn't mind a lynch of either Emile or Leon as well. Um, being ok with lynching half of the remaining players for no real reasons screams scummy.
Sigh. What was the point of this post? Andrew was correct, this does seem like scum bussing his partner.Igor wrote:Edward if I ping emmy would that gain town points or scum points. If she flips scum I was the one who voted first and who started this. I just want you to know that. One thing that is true about edward his his middle of the pack mafians. I have noted the same. I started this wagon thus I must be town! yay! FYI sometimes scum make long posts about the d-1 stuff that we already know. But as of now edward does not need to be lynched as our d-3 choice. We have little info and if we assume that he would have played scummy we would just make asses of ourselves. But remeber when emmy flips scum I was the one who started this. If she flips town feel free to lynch me.-
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