Mini 915 - Murder in Murder Free Village (Over)

[Haschel Cedricson]

Unvote, vote Flareonage.

He knows why.

[Haschel Cedricson]

No, I don't. Don't think we've been in a game with each other

One of those sentences is true.

[Haschel Cedricson]

I just looked through your posts and we have never posted in the same thread as each other

I never claimed we had. Quite the contrary, actually.

Anyhoo, question for danakillsu: Would you care to tell us why My Milked Eek voted for DeeJayCee?

[Haschel Cedricson]

EBWOP: Lastsurvivor, you say that there has been less than a page of posts, yet at the time you posted there was EXACTLY a page of posts. Why are you trying to downplay the activity level in this game?

Unvote, vote: LastSurvivor.

[Haschel Cedricson]

EBWOP: Just kidding.

Unvote, Vote; Flareonage

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[Haschel Cedricson]

Why would you ask him? Ask me!

Because I'm not interested in your answer to that question.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Give your response to Lastsurvivor's question in the form of three sentences of at least 10 words each.

[Haschel Cedricson]

...remember this is still the random voting stage of the game.

I think we've moved out of the random voting stage.

I had dana pegged as overeager town, but adding that bit about wanting to hear a claim tips the balance to overeager scum.

Unvote Flareonage, vote danakillsu

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[Haschel Cedricson]

That's what i reckon myself with all these accusations.

Specifically, which accusations?

[Haschel Cedricson]

Just a bit of an OMGUS here?

vote: Haschel Cedricson

for claiming that we're out of the RVS.

Are you claiming that we are not?

quote tag fixed -Mod

[Haschel Cedricson]

Her?!!!
Ouch. I'm a man. Come on people. My vote on Haschel Cedricson was a protest against leaving the RVS! It was a random vote that was supposed to show that we were still random voting. And just because I agree with someone's reasoning doesn't mean I'm blindly following them.

You ignored a direct question from me in post 61. Why do you think it helps the town to remain in the the random voting stage?

[Haschel Cedricson]

I'll just answer it. I do think the RVS helps town more than mafia, but I do not think that staying in the RVS forever helps town.

I asked

why

. All you did was restate your position.

[Haschel Cedricson]

I probably won't be able to post anything long until tomorrow night, but for now I'll say that nobody is pinging my scumdar hard enough to merit being considered a "second suspect" yet. I don't think DJC is scum so much as he is 14 years old. I disagree with Kmd's case on Flareonage, but I get the impression that Kmd believes his own case. That's more important to me than the case itself, so Kmd gets a slight nudge into the pro-town category.

Everybody else I don't have a strong read on yet.

[Haschel Cedricson]

@Haschel: Someone's age has no relation to how they play mafia. The way he worded his first post is very strange, and I don't see how his age could have much to do with it.

If somebody is a freshman in high school I don't expect them to have thought everything through, particularly in the early game. I can see somebody panicking at being at L-3 before their second post. I have no idea how much experience DJC has with Mafia, but I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't very much.

It's poor play, and is even anti-town, but that doesn't make it scummy

per se.

Nobody Special: If that post was indeed "one of the scummiest things I've seen in a mafia game ever", why were you so reluctant to express these suspicions on page 4?

[Haschel Cedricson]

I explained in my first post, he kept trying to get out of the discussion phase and go back into the RVS, and he was obviously rolefishing with DJC. He started a BW on him, asked for a claim, got called on it, than tried to go back to the RVS.

Exactly what I was going to say.

That's an illogical suspicion though... and "too soon" differs from person to person and game to game... in a 12p game, most would agree that by mid or end page two the RVS should be over.

Also, it's one thing to want to extend the RVS, and another to try to put the horses back in the barn after it's already ended.

[Haschel Cedricson]

I still think it's danakillsu, but rereading NS, I saw

@Danakillsu, aren't you the least bit apprehensive about being modkilled for talking about an ongoing game? Also, you don't seem to be doing any favors for yourself going on about daytalking scum.

Does anybody else see this as potentially coaching a partner?

I'm fine lynching either of the two, and am formally announcing my intent to vote for whichever of the two has more votes.

[Haschel Cedricson]

I'm fine lynching either of the two, and am formally announcing my intent to vote for whichever of the two has more votes.

I've been called many things, but "liar" isn't one of them.

Unvote; Vote: Nobody Special

[Haschel Cedricson]

I'm fine lynching either of the two, and am formally announcing my intent to vote for whichever of the two has more votes.

I've been called many things, but "liar" isn't one of them.

Unvote; Vote: Nobody Special

[Haschel Cedricson]

Unvote; Vote: Nobody Special

[Haschel Cedricson]

Sorry, after my first post didn't go through, I checked the thread in another tab and when nothing happened, I tried submitting it again. After ten minutes of nothing, I made the third post. The forum accepted that post relatively quickly, and then revealed that it had also accepted the first two and refused to show them to me earlier.

I'll try not to quadruple-post again.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Well, my understanding is that one shouldn't claim unless asked. (I'll have to look into where I got that notion.)

I'm a Town Neighbor. I have a neighbor with whom I can talk at any time (yeah, day or night....cool!).

Is your neighbor's alignment guaranteed?

[Haschel Cedricson]

Right, I need to reread since my number one suspect is dead.

I have an insane amount of class tomorrow; look for me to post on Sunday night.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Remember when I said I'd post Sunday night? It turns out it was Valentine's Day on Sunday night, so I was unable to reread that day.

---------Haschel, can you explain why you voted NS?

Sure. There was the scummy play in general that most people commented on, but I explained the switch in post 141. I was absolutely convinced that dana was scum, and NS' post gave me the theory that the two were partners. The more I thought about it, the better the theory seemed. I announced that I was fine lynching either, and as soon as NS had more votes than dana I switched. If the town hadn't voted NS past dana, I would have stayed on dana.

-Votes NS next post with "No worries"
--------Sounds like he had a feeling the vote would implicate him.
-"No one should hammer without a claim"
--------Stating the obvious. Filler.

I don't see these two things being suspicious on their own, but put together they seem a bit incongruous with each other. If you don't want him being hammered before he claims, the logical thing to do would be to unvote until he claims; there's little reason to make it easier for other players to do something you don't want them to do. I suppose it could be some sort of "trap" to see if people vote him before he claims, but I don't see that being particularly useful and at any rate I don't get the feeling that that's what kyle was doing.

Lovely. Two killing roles.

This reaction doesn't sit well with me. Part of this is the fact that it ignores the hider, although he comments on this in his next post. Another part is that I get the feeling that LS believes that the fact that there are two killing roles is detrimental to his side, which if he is town discounts the possibility of a vig that kyle pointed out.

So I know My Milked Eek is very busy and such, but does anyone else get major scumvibes from him? Or is that just me?

I don't see anything particularly damning, so it's just you. What specifically do you have in mind?

[Haschel Cedricson]

Haschel, I wouldn't call that a "trap", but I do see your point.

Right, I'm saying it wasn't a trap. I meant that some other hypothetical player might use it as a trap, but kyle didn't give that feeling.

Of course, I suppose you could mean that you wouldn't consider anything about that play "trappish" regardless of the motivation, in which case the above paragraph is redundant.

I'm not totally sure what you mean here Hasch. I figured it was a vig (until I realized that there was a Hider), but I just used that phrasing so people wouldn't be like "Omg there could be a SK or something!!!!"

A vigilante would be an asset for the town, so your phrasing suggested that you DIDN'T figure it was a vig before you realized there was a hider.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Prod received, will post later tonight/early tomorrow.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Update: Working on a chart of Lastsurvivor's posts in Excel, and it's probably going to result on a vote on Lastsurvivor. Once I post the chart and explain it, I will wait 24 hours before hammering.

[Haschel Cedricson]

First off, I apologize for breaking the tables.



Post numbers refer to looking at LS's posts in isolation. Right, here's the color-coding.

Bright red is a vote. As you can see, this color doesn't get used often.

The pale-purplish-red are posts where LS declares suspicion of a person.

Green is where LS declares pro-townness of a person.

Blue is where LS defends a person.

Orange is where LS agrees with a person.

First off, LS has only voted once in the entire game, and that was his first post of the game. This is literally the first time I have ever seen anybody do this. What this means is that NOT ONCE has LS found something so suspicious that it's worth a vote. In Purple Circle #1, LS states that he "doesn't really suspect" Flareonage. Yet, he keeps his vote here. He doesn't move on to a new suspect, although this may be excused by it being early in the game. However, he doesn't unvote.

Once again, LS is voting for a person THAT HE DOES NOT SUSPECT. Also, that "bit of justification" he refers to was kmd's case, which I don't think was particularly justified (by anybody other than kmd) at all.

Around post 7, the group starts looking closely at DJC. In a very short time (Purple Circle #2) LS goes from finding DJC "scummy as hell" to finding him not that bad. This is an incredibly fast change of opinion, and it doesn't come with any explanation of what prompted the switch.

Purple Circle #3 shows that he is still not moving his vote from Flareonage, despite no reason for the vote in the first place. Either he is incredibly lazy or he wants to avoid showing suspicions of anybody. At this point in the game he has retracted his suspicion of DJC for some reason, he's called NS "anti-town" and stopped short of calling his scum, and he's shown suspicion of dana three times, although he only gave reasons of substance once.

This is IT. After 16 posts and a nonspecific number of pages that I'm not going to look up the actual value for, the last sentence of the last paragraph describes all of LS's reads on people FOR THE ENTIRE DAY. If that's not trying to avoid controversy, then I don't know what it.

Purple Circle #4 has LS claim to be scumhunting. However "scumhunting" in this case refers to defending himself from charter. As mentioned in my note about Purple Circle #3, LS has done pretty much NO scumhunting.

Purple Circle #5 shows LS call NS anti-town, and then today say that he thought NS was town. I understand that LS meant anti-town to imply not necessarily scum, but it's odd that with the exception of his bizarre flip on DJC, this is the ONLY time he states that anybody seems protown.

Also note that there are no other comments about NS between the two statements, so we don't know why he made the switch. However, we have to assume that it was before the end of Day 1, because otherwise it's a worthless statement; by this point we KNOW NS was town. So why didn't LS try to convince us of NS's townness the day before? This play makes no sense.

I know other people have made other points about LS, and I'm not going to repeat them here. However, these are the main things I noticed on my reread. In 24 hours from the timestamp on this post, I will vote for LS.

[Haschel Cedricson]

JPG's make kyle cry Sad

It was gonna be a .PNG, but one misclick and that was the end of that.

Haschel, "anti-town, not scummy" doesn't really express suspicion, so "thought NS was town" is actually an accurate statement.

Yeah, I suppose I miscolored that box. Nevertheless, the fact that he did absolutely nothing to try to convince the town of these suspicions warrents a Purple Circle.

[Haschel Cedricson]

As promised,

Unvote; Vote LS

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[Haschel Cedricson]

Okay by me.

Kyle should go first.

[Haschel Cedricson]

I'm Haschel C
And I'm here to say
I'm the vanilla-est guy
In the USA.

Burma Shave.

vikingfan next.

[Haschel Cedricson]

While I'm familiar with the xkcd strip in question, I was actually inspired by Dinosaur Comics this time.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Not lurking, but have been swamped with homework that's due at midnight.

Will post tomorrow.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Vote jbernier

[Haschel Cedricson]

I know that may seem a bit premature, but here is my logic:

[Haschel Cedricson]

Good work, team!

[Haschel Cedricson]

Charter and Kmd did most of the work. I was planning on continuing my fake case on dana, so when he died at night I felt like I had lost my footing. The only thing I really did to help my side afterwards was posting the Excel chart to keep suspicion on LS without making it look like I was bandwagoning.

I really have been doing homework for the last two days, so my lurking on Day 3 was not intentional. Luckily I took a break when I did.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Comments:
Kmd: A cop claim? I'm surprised you expect people to believe I'd do that.
Cop + Doc + Hider + 1-shot vig in a mini? Hmm... maybe if the cop was naive...

Oh, this.

I am still amazed that worked.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Also, I didn't want to kill Viking because he seemed to like my logic too much.

In fact, we couldn't have done it without him.

[Haschel Cedricson]

It's in our role PMs, but here it is again:

http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/dgxvUjFVRFZLc