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Don't complain. At least they killed Carrot Top.
I choose to not randomly vote. I hate random votes.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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As much as I agree with that post, I think it's important to note that if 7 players all have as their first pick for the will a member of the scumteam, the game's already lost. It's just a matter of playing it out.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Personally, I think that this vote should go to the player who has, in the past, shown the best history of play on the site. To that end, I voted for Yos. Sure, it's possible that he's scum, but it's possible that he's not as well, and it's just as damaging in the hands of stupid scum as it is in the hands of experienced scum.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Agreed on the last point. We should probably diversify our wills after this election phase. As it is set right now, I'd imagine that a lot of them would end up going towards the same group of people.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Fair enough, but please be sure to include reasoning in the same post as your vote in the future. It makes it easier to analyze the game that way.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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How can you know whether or not his post was valid if you didn't read the rules carefully? Perhaps there is some hidden nuance that you're not aware of?My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Agreed. You've not explained why Tatetothetot is town, and it's certainly not obvious from his posts.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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I have nothing to base a towntell on at the moment. I will have something to base it on in a bit. In absence of that, I still maintain that it's best to give an extra vote to the most skilled player, because the most skilled player will use it most effectively as town and not as damagingly as scum (since he or she will want to avoid detection).My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Socrates: My point is that, in day 1, a doublevote's power is incredibly diluted. It's also true that experienced scum are fairly careful to join a bandwagon until they feel sure that they will have the support of others in order to hide their presence. Therefore, if we accidentally do give the second vote to an experienced scum player, they'll be just as careful and it may not even come into play. Regardless, I don't understand the value in giving the second vote to anybody other than the best player in the game. It's just as possible that they could be scum.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Less experience, mostly. We know and trust that Yos is a good player. We just don't know that much about you yet.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Theory: While it's bad to have all of our votes concentrated in the same person, it's also bad to have bad players with extra votes. Therefore, perhaps a more nuanced approach would be to spread the votes around the best players as a group? I mean, if all of the best players are scum, they'll win easily anyway, but I think that we can all agree that it's incredibly unlikely that even a majority of, say, the 5 best players in this game would be scum together.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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The same is true regardless of the strategy used to select players, though. Intentionally selecting players who aren't the best runs into the same problem. The only way to do it so that nobody gets an advantage like that is to do it fully randomly using an off-site randomizer. However, I would posit that this is not optimal play either. Scum could get the votes fairly easily and the weaker, more pliable players will control a disproportionate amount of power in the game, a power that is more manipulable by the scum.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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I didn't say that we shouldn't try to distinguish, but I think that accurate scumhunting is impossible at this juncture in the game.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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D1 lynches are statistically worse than random. Hence, our attempts to find someone who is definitively pro-town would be worse than random. We can, however, accurately determine who is and who is not good at the game.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Gayle: Optimal play IS important, as it gives the town extra votes. We win if we get into a situation where there are 7 scum and 1 townie, but that townie has the rest of the town's votes, nightkill aside.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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That's....that's terrible logic, right there. Easily manipulable players are more often manipulated by scum than they are by town.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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I want the white knight. The bad player will probably give that extra vote to scum if we "off" him, as you say. It also forces us into more policy lynches if we pick poorly.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Why exactly did you have such a bad reaction to it? It seems like the discussion is a necessary one in a game with unusual mechanics like this.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Yes, I am, sorry. Posted too quickly without thinking.
What, exactly, do you find scummy about Yos' initial post? It seems to me that discussions of optimal strategy are a necessary part of a game with unique mechanics. It's a null tell at best, IMHO.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Your implication seems to be that you feel that he is less of a town player for it. Hence, scumminess. It also seems to me that the theory behind his first post was inextricably linked with the question of who the town gives extra votes to - ergo, it is an appropriate place to discuss this at the time that we're going to be giving out extra votes. Also, Yosarian probably knew going into this, when he saw the player list, that he was the most experienced and well-respected player on the list. He wouldn't have needed to campaign as scum - in fact, it would be an excellent opportunity to make himself look as if he were thrust into power.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Gayle: You're going to have to explain a bit more about "creeping me out". I really can't base any sort of game decision on the vague notion that you're "creeped out".My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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I don't understand #3. I also can't really deal with some vague emotional feeling you have, since I can't confirm it nor can I understand it. None of the things that you've put together really seem to add up to why I shouldn't vote for Yosarian. My vote stays.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Fifi: Unless he didn't catch it. I'm just being cautious.
Gayle: Well, what post does he say this in? I don't really remember that exchange.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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I read everything, but I don't remember every single word of every single post, Gayle. What is it with you lately? You seem to have some sort of a grudge against me...Every post that you mention me in seems to have these barbs.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Just finished reading it very carefully. Still not sure what you're going on about. The implication of not wanting to give Yosarian an extra vote seems to be implying that he's scum. I believe I've seen that sentiment expressed in your "creepy" read on him, as well as in a few things that Tatetothetot has said. So, what's the problem?My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Gayle's barbs, referred by isolation post number:
1: Well, I guess I'll keep my vote on Netopalis. I have faith in his theory discussion.
- Reference to a game we both played in where I got lynched for talking too much about theory on D1.
7: Also itt, Netopalis is scum.
11: It is really difficult trying to argue strategy with Mafia Theory PhDs like Netopalis, so I decided to go campaigning instead.
13: I know you theory types don't have emotion, but it feels to me that you two are trying to concentrate power in Yos. And based on that feeling, I would like to elect anyone but Yos.
14: This is strange. Several minutes have passed and Netopalis hasn't replied. Something must have happened to him. Someone find his address so I can direct the police there immediately.
17: The post that Netopalis made me dig up. Proof that not even Netopalis reads Yos's megaposts.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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In response to your other response:
Of course I want Yos to be elected! I was the first vote on him and have been pushing it the whole time. What I don't get is why you don't want him elected. If it's not because he's scummy and it's not because you don't have faith in his abilities, then what's the deal? What you're saying seems to have no real consistency to it. Add some flour, stir for a bit and come back with something that sticks together a bit more.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Yeah, they're jokes, but it just seems to me like you came in with sort of a chip on your shoulder. Meh, it's nothing, though. Nevermind.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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I've not seen anything against Yosarian that's not just vague fear, uncertainty and doubt. RayFrost is a good choice, but I think that Yosarian is marginally better.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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So, you don't trust him but don't find him scummy. Let's say that there was a theoretical role that could switch the alignments of all players, and this role was activated. Would you trust Yosarian then? What if the roles were rerandomized? Does your distrust have anything to do with alignment?
Also, if not Yosarian, who do you find scummy, then?My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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But you haven't really explained why you have those misgivings, at least not in a way that is convincing to anybody else. Still, you seem to think that we should all follow up on your gut reaction that none of us can experience. Why is that?My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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I'm trying to divine the source of your feeling of disingenuity. You seem to be of the opinion that becauseyoufind him disingenuous,weshould pick somebody else. Nothing that you've said is really anything that anybody else can put stock in and say, "Yes. This makes me second-guess my choice to go for Yosarian." I can understand you not wanting to elect him. I can't understand you telling everybody else that we shouldn't elect him.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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I'm saying that you need something to point to to convince other people. You seem to be manufacturing that proof from whole cloth.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Yes, something needs to be settled! Clearly you and others have an intense and serious misgiving about one of our most trusted players, yet you're not giving anything more than vague notions of him seeming creepy or disingenuous. This is relevant.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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*shrugs* Ray's "DON'T VOTE FOR ME" could also be the classic Perot maneuver - most people feel that people who want to be elected shouldn't, and will therefore vote for someone who asks to not be voted for.
And the "dirt" you mention is only a barely cognizable and ephemeral distrust from you and Gayle, hardly enough for us to base a decision on.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Sorry, just googled. It was actually William T. Sherman that said it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shermanesque_statement - Essentially, they often have the opposite of the intended effect.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Only problem is, you're now doing it because you don't want people to elect you. To win the game, you need to be 1 step ahead of what everybody's thinking, which is reverting back to telling them not to vote for you. But since I said that, you need to tell them to vote for you to deal with the effects of this statement. Of course, I just said that too. Welcome to WIFOM.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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...what.tatetothetot wrote:Why can't we just pick a solid town person who everyone likes as town instead of the person who seems to be the most logical?My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Not suspected = town read, IMHO. Also, they haven't produced anything that leads to a town read elsewhere.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Oookay. Now we're getting somewhere. However, now you need to explain the pro-town read on Rayfrost.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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