Mini 925: Umineko No Naku Koro Ni Mafia: GAME OVER!

[Cobalt]

vote csl

policy lynch

[Cobalt]

I called it too

[Cobalt]

Unk, what is the difference between mod-confirmed and truth?

The truth is a matter of perception, is it not? If everyone perceives something to be a fact, it's true, right? But if something is mod confirmed...well, you really can't doubt that.

Imagine it this way. I am both the author and a character in a book. As the author, I have written this into the book. It's not something being perceived, it just is. If I write

And then Cobalt died

You can't argue with that. However, if I were to write

UncertainKitten then says "Cobalt has died"

And say that in red, well, it's slightly less trustworthy. Very rarely are red and gold different, but there are cases where I might opt for red over gold. Honestly, I technically overuse the gold but it's a snappier color ^-^.

[Cobalt]

vote CSL

obvious

[Cobalt]

4a) Anyone or anything that reaches lynch count will be lynched, regardless of whether they are actually in the game or not.

unvote vote MafiaSSK

[Cobalt]

protip: lynching UK is a stupid idea

[Cobalt]

more like lynching the mafia is also a stupid idea
UK will just pop up and say "'The Mafia' is not the name of a player in this game, so you No Lynch. It is now Night 1, lol"

[Cobalt]

How are you sure that will happen? Maybe it will maybe it won't.

attack of the idiocy brigade
the sad part is you might still be town

[Cobalt]

wait hold on
everyone voting UK unvote

[Cobalt]

HEYOOOOOOOO

4a) Anyone or anything that reaches lynch count will be lynched, regardless of whether they are actually in the game or not.

unvote vote MafiaSSK

Obviously I've been playing too many Tarhalindur games

[Cobalt]

there's no point lynching the mod when it has a completely unknown effect, especially when it's likely to just be a nolynch trap anyway.

[Cobalt]

why would lynching the mod on the off chance that this would have an effect on the game, and the further off chance that this effect is beneficial to town be a good idea?

unvote vote CSL

[Cobalt]

more CSL votes required

[Cobalt]

I'm not voting you for policy anymore, I'm voting you for dead scummy play.

[Cobalt]

What dead scummy play(s) are you referring to?

none?

[Cobalt]

dead means very you illiterate buffoon

[Cobalt]

The point, Cobalt, is that you said you changed your vote for scummy play. I asked what scummy play, and you said none. So, what meaning is behind your vote?

What?

[Cobalt]

unvote vote col cathcart

[Cobalt]

navy who's scum

[Cobalt]

unvote vote navycherub

[Cobalt]

hm eh

unvote vote tarh

[Cobalt]

None of those seem like town abilities Navy...

except all of them do
does anyone know if UK likes joats?

[Cobalt]

it's learn alignment not abilities.
and global RB bleeds town

[Cobalt]

hm

unvote vote thelonging

[Cobalt]

bad gut vibes
also tarh looks slightly town for some reason

[Cobalt]

hm

unvote vote thelonging

more of this plz

[Cobalt]

Yeah, then you'll be killed because I'll flip town.

looks like CSL messed up his post restriction in this post. And UK said nothing. CSL, why did you fake a post restriction?

[Cobalt]

PAGE BUMP FOR VOTECOUNT JUSTICE

Neener neener, beat you to it

[Cobalt]

who takes a day to read a 10 page game twice?

Neto found out he was replacing about an hour and 48 minutes ago. It wasn't official til 24 minutes ago.

[Cobalt]

like, wow.
Snow is hammering Tarh today, no exceptions.

[Cobalt]

unvote vote tarh

[Cobalt]

like, wow.
Snow is hammering Tarh today, no exceptions.

[Cobalt]

Isn't it blindingly obvious that I want to use tarh as a supersaint on Snow? My town read on Tarh is weak at best. I hate the WIFOM of keeping him around- in case we decide he is scum later, we'll wind up sacrificing whoever hammers him. And I think SB is very scummy. A handy 2 for 1 deal.

[Cobalt]

Isn't it blindingly obvious that I want to use tarh as a supersaint on Snow? My town read on Tarh is weak at best. I hate the WIFOM of keeping him around- in case we decide he is scum later, we'll wind up sacrificing whoever hammers him. And I think SB is very scummy. A handy 2 for 1 deal.

Do you think that a scum bomb is a plausible role?

Scum with some kind of kill that effects the hammer vote. Or tarh lied about being a bomb.

[Cobalt]

your analysis is all wrong.

Assume
Snow is scum
tar is scum, bomb
Snow refuses to hammer, so we lynch snow. Its left ambiguous whether or not tar is town or even a bomb. If we lynch tar, we still end up losing a townie. nul result

We only lose a townie if we have a townie hammer Tarh later on. And trading a potential townie later for scum-Snow now is not null.

Snow is scum, tar is scum
Snow refuses to hammer, so we lynch snow. Its left ambiguous whether or not tar is town or even a bomb. nul result

Catching scum-Snow is not null, it removes a scum. We don't find out if Tarh is a bomb but we don't know that anyway.

Snow is scum, tar is town
Snow either hammers to take a townie with her, or relies on the previous two possibilities and refuses to hammer, so that if we check tar, we'll lose two townies nul result

If scum-Snow hammers town-Tarh, we're still up. If she refuses, we lynch her and consider Tarh later- even better.

Snow is town tar is scum, bomb
The outcome is the same regardless of who hammers tar then. good result

Fine.

Snow is town, tar is scum
Snow's role is left ambiguous, she could of hammered to avoid us believing it was the second possibility, and thus we can't know snow's alignment. good result

Fine.

Snow is town, tar is town
Worst case scenario. Snow will hammer, and we will lose two townies and gain nothing. bad result

Worst case, yes.

The only bad result is town-Snow, town-bomb-Tarh. All others kill 1 scum at the cost of either 1 townie or 0 townies- a net gain. All situations where Snow refuses to hammer lead to her lynch- if she's town she'll see that we gain in every situation except if both of them are town, so she should always hammer.

[Cobalt]

But you say I think tarh is town. I told you my town read is weak at best. I am totally open to scum-tarh. I am quite sure there is scum between him and Snow. If we lynch Tarh and have Snow hammer, we get information on their alignments based on their reactions to the plan. If we lynch Snow we don't learn anything about Tarh.

[Cobalt]

I think we should have Snow_Bunny hammer Tarh, killing them both.
M_O thinks we should just lynch Snow_bunny.

[Cobalt]

okay, I find that I agree with M_O more than cobalt here.

[Cobalt]

You.
Are the slapped one.

[Cobalt]

You.
Are the slapped one.

So you are the buff shirtless guy in a loincloth that slapped me?

I didn't know you had such an interest in showing off your 'manly biceps' to the guys at work.

Yes, I am pretty hot. Pardon me while I grease my pecs.

[Cobalt]

guess who isn't scum
(it's me btw)

[Cobalt]

[Cobalt]

Quit whining. If you wanted the lynch then you shouldn't care if you hammered. He's already claimed and ASKED to be lynched. There is absolutely no reason to be irritated that you were the hammer.

Did you miss the part where he has a supersaint ability we can use to kill the hammer vote?

[Cobalt]

This should be fun.

Remember to lynch Cobalt tomorrow, K? He's not this off-topic as town. (Close, yes, but not quite.)

I don't think anyone's ever read me scum as scum in my entire career, but I nearly always get read as scum when I'm town.

[Cobalt]

I do think Cobalt would be a good lynch Day 2. He hasn't backed his reasons with good evidence.

[Cobalt]

Cobalt, you irritate me more and more. You are tomorrow's lynch. Now stay still while we get your name on the next rope.

[Cobalt]

unvote vote CSL

[Cobalt]

Whoa. Um.
Any objections to me hammering CSL?

[Cobalt]

quick spam before lock

[Cobalt]

YEHS

[Cobalt]

That's the problem with having an amazing town reputation. People hate on you. With bullets.

[Cobalt]

ITT cobalt gets tired of UK's modding style

[Cobalt]

ITT cobalt gets tired of UK's modding style

Why so Cobalt?

Having a bunch of night-interactions is fun. Having your faction's victory or loss depend on interactions between roles you never knew existed is less fun. In this game I had decent dayplay, RB'd a scum night 1, and would have protected a town PR night 2. But I was vanilla'd, then killed. After that I could only watch as wierd role interactions led to messed up claim situations and rendered traditional dayplay mostly moot.
I think I have reached the point where seeing all the wacky roles isn't as fun anymore if it controls the outcome of the game. I just don't want to play games where half the player list has 4 abilities anymore.

[Cobalt]

That's understandable, Cobalt. Honestly, I figured I was going to be unsatisifed with the result no matter HOW the night actions broke down N3. I wanted the underdog to win, but I didn't want an el cheapo night win because Tar was a little easier to kill. Well, I did want it, but I would have preferred a day victory. Regardless, I still think the game was balanced.

You

might

enjoy my next game that I've already signed up to mod. Insane Asylum II is actually a game that will actively DISCOURAGE trusting night actions, and will probably not be as role heavy, staying faithful to how IA I worked.

I might be /in for that. It's not power roles I hate- I'd be up for a vanillaless game any day- but when make the day game look like a joke the density is too high.
I don't want to sound bitter because I was on the losing side. Our scumteam won TTGL in a very similar way. Jahudo messed up and claimed cult leader as town, and self-voted. Quickvote x3, gg. And the games probably are balanced, they're just so swingy based on the night stuff. I haven't looked at it closely but a scum team could probably have won even if town did something like lynch a low-power townie D1, then two members of a scumteam D2 and D3.

[Cobalt]

haha, I guess that kind of sums up this game for me. A scumteam won because they targeted a dead player with a rolecop ability before he could force the mod to break the setup for him.