Rapture Mafia - Over!

[SpyreX]

Vote: KoC

Sup maan

ACTUALLY:

Note: This is not asking ANYONE TO DO ANYTHING DONT YOU DARE SAY ANYTHING AT THIS JUNCTURE

We may be better served by pooling resources. It looks like this is going to be a power lite setup base so getting the gojuice for a permanent tracker and watcher would be tech.

Keep that in mind - don't announce OMG ADAM GO HERE but greed isn't going to be the way to win this.

[SpyreX]

Spyrex is clearly being over-caution.

Town Spyrex would have said this:
"I am a POWERFUL WIZARD. ALL YOUR ADAM ARE BELONG TO ME."


Unvote
Vote: Spyrex

Thus ends the RVS on page 1.

Thar be one issue though and why I ACTUALLY DONT WANT IT:

Pooling resources is such an obvious path that I fully expect scum ways to manipulate that.

So, I'm saying pool, but don't say who you are pulling to before you do it.

[SpyreX]

Ohhh hay look a slapfight. Those are always SUPER AWESOME.

Unvote, Vote: Chronopie

.

I really like the unnecessary "Ohh hay looks I have the ADAMS"

[SpyreX]

L2R in the first post.

WE HAVE A WINNER!

And I'm not even going to get a chance to

use

any of this tasty tasty adam that I've heard all about...

[SpyreX]

Yo Red please tell me I'm not insane and that reads "I've got adam" for no reason and help me push this train all the way out of the station.

[SpyreX]

Point is, I've been active in this game. Not much of an opportunity to scumhunt has been presented yet (RVS votes are still being placed...), and Coyote seems to be a player who likes to make a few really long posts, quoting everything, just to seem helpful.

?

Red has said more in one post than you have yet.

So, I'm more than a bit baffled that you'd call out activity at this juncture. ESPECIALLY when you say there's no opportunity to scumhunt.

Yeehaw

(RED STILL ANSWER QUESTION PLEASE)

Unvote, Vote: Sorasgoof

[SpyreX]

Can I not have one game where someone doesn't get what I'm saying? Jesus! Maybe this is my anger at CoD rubbing off on you (which isn't your fault, I'm sorry), but come on. I was saying that I am constantly posting in this thread. Posting two long-ass posts, most of which were quotes, and PRETENDING to have content is NOT scumhunting. I was trying to get people to post in order to bring up more opportunities to scumhunt (by posting), because, if you hadn't noticed, hardly anyone posted during those first few days. Hey, it worked! I'd rather be the center of attention than no one post in thread.

I also, unlike you seem to be saying, have not claimed to be posting content. By active, I mean that I am constantly looking at the thread, POSTING. I can't wait for more people to post so I can really try to look for scum (aka post content).

I never said RC was scumhunting. I said, explicitly, he's

said

more than you have. Some people gotta walk before they crawl I suppose.

Me, I was born runnin'

And reactive play doesn't do anyone any good. In fact between that and the reaction I think I done got myself a live one.

[SpyreX]

The "I'm waiting for people to scumhunt" is a very reactive (and scummy) stance. Couple that with the explosion post and I'm happy with my vote.

[SpyreX]

? The Vanilla PM is posted you silly goose.

[SpyreX]

This is why, once I'm allowed to mod, I probably won't play anymore. SpyreX, I never said "I'm waiting for people to scumhunt." You guys intentionally twist words for no reason.

"I can't wait for more people to post so I can really try to look for scum" != "I'm waiting for people to scumhunt."

Blatant bandwagoning from RECKON noted.
Blatant misrep from SpyreX noted.

@Red- you can meta the hell out of me. Good luck.

@Fate- Way to rephrase exactly what SpyreX said.

(Blatant bandwagoning from Fate noted)

You guys might want to rethink this before it goes too far.

No, you didn't say that. It was implied.

Because you've said that there is no opportunity for scumhunting because people aren't doing anything. When they are.

In fact, you've just called out Me, Fate AND Reckoner.

And no vote.

Why is that?

[SpyreX]

Ohhh well if its META then.

So, of the three amigos it is I who is the knave and not the ones that bandwagoned?

Good to know.

(Note: As much as I'd like my bro's to both be town I'd put heavy money on one of Fate and Reckoner being scum if soras is)

(Double Note: He is)

[SpyreX]

I'm actually pretty chill IRL but since the whole point of mafia is finding scum I don't play slappy-wigs with it.

Every bit of your play is reflexive. Even your choice of callout on the wagoneers is far more self-serving.

If I was a dayvig I'd have shot you.

[SpyreX]

I don't pressure for pressure's sake.

As it sits, I would have done shot him so yea fairly likely.

Look at 160. Really look at it.

[SpyreX]

"I'm not reflexive. I'm just...being reflexive"

[SpyreX]

Reflexive as in your content is directly in relation to what is going on in regards to yourself.

I.E. why not even a peep about RC's valid question that would, in fact, also join with a bandwagoner on your "asinine wagon"?

[SpyreX]

Questions don't NEED to be directed at you.

You've glossed over the whole RC-Reck exchange (which I haven't forgot about) which would be an early avenue for "scumhunting" with whats going on.

Additionally, Reck, was ALSO called out by you for blatant bandwagoning - yet I'm the one you'd vote.

Your not looking for scum. Because you are scum.

[SpyreX]

I know I'm real bad at reading its a problem I have. Its plagued me my whole life and even lives I haven't lived yet. IT HAUNTS MY DREAMS

Except for the fact I'm not saying anything about WHY you are voting me - just that you've opted to choose that over other options that you ignored.

And, oddly enough, the "I'm defeding myself versus looking for scum" defense doesn't do a whole lot for me.

I bet you are worried about my "certainty" about you "being scum" aren't ya?

[SpyreX]

Welp, here ya go:

I wont say a peep. Get to hunting. Real type. There's plenty.

If there's a "ohh god not enough" then get lynched.

[SpyreX]

Why does it matter?

He stumbled across what could be the worst fake restriction I've ever seen though and thats awesome.

[SpyreX]

Ohhh for Meta well then (vomit).

(As an aside I always thought Fate was someone totally different from any of those you listed)

[SpyreX]

.... I may have stumbled across the answer.

But, I'm not telling you. Muhahahaha.

[SpyreX]

Not the format. More secret and more braver things. That confused me.

I'm down with a round of massprods and soras to go ahead and do his thing without me as an excuse.

[SpyreX]

KoC in 193 you lay out the path to why this is really troubling yet don't throw the vote it makes me

That said, I was nice, I gave a chance for some "scumhunting" to happen and this is what I got.

I am not amused.

Lets play a game called LYNCH THAT SCUM:

I'll start out with two key pieces of information: his lurkers are lurkers. His towns are pretty tech.

Then it gets to the fun bit.

First, while his lurkers ARE lurkers instead of opting to apply pressure to any of them or even say the lurking is scummy he... throws it down like its some kinda powerbomb 9000 proving some point that has never even been issued.

The towns, *gasp* are probably town.

Its the other two lists I'm calling scum teaparty on.

9. Leech
14. RedCoyote
16.Knight of Cydonia

Now, lets look at this list. And odd grouping, to be sure.

Leech has one post. That is answering questions with nothing, again I repeat, nothing to say about this game. (Ding dong)
Red (for those playing along the guy he reflexively attacked when called out for doing nothing) is still a neutral read. The person who quotes like:

Point is, I've been active in this game. Not much of an opportunity to scumhunt has been presented yet (RVS votes are still being placed...), and Coyote seems to be a player who likes to make a few really long posts, quoting everything,

just to seem helpful.

Is neutral. Yessir.
KoC (as of when this was posted by Soras) really was still doing mostly nothing (very compatible to ani the lurker). I'm "interested" to see how this shifts after the last few posts but alas, I wont hold my breath.

Red being here is the key point in this is junk. The interactions do NOT speak of a "neutral" read.

The winner in this category by a wide margin is Leech. No matter how I shuffle the cards him being "not a lurker" sends off those huge claxons of "one of these things is not like the other".

Then, we have the ARMADA OF MURDERATION

6. SpyreX
8. xRECKONERx
13. Fate

What's awesome here is more of what has been gone over BUT there's another key fact I want to make clear that makes me very sad that one of my bro's is probably a scumbolina:

No where does soras even try to pretend to look at what Reck and Fate are doing as separate. They're both just "bandwagoning". And, if that is scummy I'm still the #1 scum supremo because of my misreps.

Which are universally scummy as per soras but yet STILL no vote.

The fact that he's tying Fate and Reck so close together really makes me itchy that one of those two are a partner and he's trying to either sink em both or keep em both afloat.

---

But, the real kicker? The real reason this is junk?

In all of that. ALL of it there is still only the two concrete reasons for anything (I'm scum because I'm "misrepping him", fate and reckoner are scum for bandwagoning him.)

The rest of it? White noise that isn't even uniform. With not a reason to be found.

The lurkers are lurkers but just lurkers.
The towns are towns because they are town.
The neutrals are neutral because they are neutral.

It looks real pretty and its lots of words but not a thing.

End result?

Soras is scum caught on a rope and if he flips scum I'd put cash money (or a bullet) in Leech. And chances are REAL high one of Fate/Reck (but I'd choke if both) are also scum.

[SpyreX]

As if I did it because you told me to. >_>

Keep on keepin' on.

3- I'm sorry for you then. If you'd stop pushing BS on me I'd feel more inclined to use my posting time to analyze posts, not defend myself.

I guess you conveniently skipped over the questions I put at the bottom for lurkers to answer? I couldn't have put pressure on them any

other way than voting

- they had like two posts each, and they were RVS votes.

Yea, it was real convent. If you had asked what their favorite color was it could have been a Barbara Walters special in the making.

This is a problem? So, you're agreeing that my lurkers are un-tell-able, and my town reads are probably town, yet you're disagreeing that I'm narrowing the active-scum playing field?

Nah I said the lurkers are lurkers and barring other scum running around with hats a blazin' they'd be gettin roped.

And you narrowed the HELL out of that playing field by either two players who are probably town OR by saying the scums done be all those folks voting for you. Yee haw

----

Good to see Drives opted to put on his racin hat and floor it to see if he could catch soras before the last turn though.

[SpyreX]

Something told me you were going to do that.

Although I don't know what I think about it from a "rule breaking stance" or a "meta is blah" stance or a "what does fate think by posting that" stance.

[SpyreX]

GHOST POST KILL IT KILL IT

[SpyreX]

Red which horrordude comment?

[SpyreX]

Soras, Drives, Horror:

These are good lynches.

[SpyreX]

I'm officially on record now that Drives is an F-- TOWN. Look at that soras vote.

Lets do this right gentleman.

[SpyreX]

....

What?

I read that one more than once and it SURE reads like "Yea, sora is obviously scum, vote KoC"

[SpyreX]

So sayith the guy voting for Drives and proclaiming all his suspicions on me still.

[SpyreX]

All of my suspicions, SpyreX? I'm not allowed to have suspicions on more than one person? Nacho made a case on me, basically saying I'm obv-scum, but then told everyone to vote KoC.

I sort of made a case on you, voting you,

and then someone else did something I saw as "scummier," and voted him.

Toot toot here comes the lyingmobile to pick you up.

(Note no where in here do you even try to explain the awesome vote on Drives either)

[SpyreX]

Show it.

Go ahead and quote you voting for me since one of the things I've been saying is you've been quick to go "Ohh he's totally the scum" but have

never, ever voted for me.

And yes you gave an "explanation" for your drives vote and then just spent a whole post saying Nacho is scummy and I'm scummy without even revisiting that, dare I say, throw away vote on what you were hoping would be an easy wagon considering how tech Drives is being.

[SpyreX]

Ohh hay look soras never voted for me funny that.

Ohh hay look he's still alive.

Ohh hay look we're talking about the most obvious not a doctor claim ever to exist well I never.

[SpyreX]

Nacho can be dealt with later - there's a chance he's just nutterbutters.

Soras. No.

[SpyreX]

P.S. if Soras ends up being some kinda scum PR I'd bank hard on Nacho being a goon.

[SpyreX]

I'm willing to eat hats if Drives is scum. He reeks town in that way that only town can reek.

Hence, I am not supporting his lynch now, or probably ever.

[SpyreX]

I wouldn't cry if Chrono got lynched. I'm still leaning more on soras though - this new "well, vote for me" followed up by "ohh when I get to L-1 I'll give a defense" business doesn't shine so hot.

No way I'm lynching Drives today.

[SpyreX]

See, there's pants on head play and then there is scum faking pants on head play.

Drives firmly has the levi's like a bandanna. He's A+ grade townmeats.

[SpyreX]

You know I'm right though.

That's all that is important.

Chrono is compelling because a scum flip would be a hoo-doggy horrodude lynchin'.

Soras is compelling because he's scum with a hat on.

OHH CHOICES

[SpyreX]

You really need to invest in a new song and dance:

Perhaps you voting me would make it go a little quicker?

That was a pretty stupid thing to say, really.

If you guys think I'm scum, then by all means. But I'm asking you,

please

do not hammer me

without a chance for me to defend myself,

if it comes to that. That's happened in a few games, and I never got a chance to defend myself. I'm usually doing homework or playing Call of Duty/Halo, so I don't always see this thread until after a lot of stuff happens.

Yep I know I make up stuff a lot rite

[SpyreX]

I'd be surprised if BOTH of them were scum thats true.

......

You may be right, though. But the idea of "too scummy to be scum" makes my teeth itch (not to be confused with Drives "too pants on head to be scum")

[SpyreX]

Fatteeee this really looks like soras trying to setup chrono for a bad lynch if he goes firsttt

[SpyreX]

*say SpyreX is dense*
*say SpyreX is twisting my words*
*place a bad vote*
*do the first two three million more times*

*is soras*
*is scum*

[SpyreX]

*calls more other people scum*
*still votes for Drives*

[SpyreX]

Holy wall of words batman.

I...like it?

But, you're saying add Chrono to your "would be fine with lynches?"

[SpyreX]

....

Damnit Fate. Just damnit.

If soras is a scum I'm lynching you BUT you are a persuasive bastard.

(And I do pay a lot of attention to the psychology aspect but I still hold that players are adaptable)

Unvote, Vote: Chronopie

[SpyreX]

If by "setting up tomorrow" you mean if Chrono isn't scum I'm damn sure not forgetting soras (who is never getting NK'd now wooo) AND if soras flips scum I'm gonna be lookin reaaal hard at Fate, then ya.

[SpyreX]

If he's a goon I'd have to think real hard and/or consult my magic 8 ball.

[SpyreX]

The hell happened round here?

[SpyreX]

There's a mishammer and the wagon shifts back and Chorno pushes for a DRIVES lynch?

What the hell world is this?

[SpyreX]

I'm just a little baffled is all.

Unvote, Vote: Soras

[SpyreX]

....

Actually, I would love soras to explain the thought process when everyone lost their minds about KoC claiming doctor for real.

Unvote

And I swear to god votes for Drives are votes for terrorism.

[SpyreX]

Lets TRY THIS AGAIN:

Actually, I would love soras to explain the thought process when everyone lost their minds about KoC claiming doctor for real.

[SpyreX]

You have no idea how much I want to lynch you out of spite.

Unvote, Vote: Toon Fighter

I'm done with trying. Lurkers be dying today.

[SpyreX]

I like your moxyish but I'm doubly confused: why the hell aren't you voting for him if you want to dance the dance?

Me? I'll kill almost anyone. We've got a lurker problem and bv definitely falls that way.

[SpyreX]

We're reaching that point where even a mislynch is better than the morale hit from twirling.

That said, I still like most of the actives.

I'm actually kinda liking TF's bizarro world posting. Not enough to not lynch him yet but its a start.

TF, CMAR, MPR (I didn't realize they were in the game??) wouldn't make me cry.

[SpyreX]

His ISO 10 reeks town to me?

[SpyreX]

But it mirrors my general sentiments exactly?

Why DJ over CMAR or MPR?

[SpyreX]

mmm flavor arguments are delicious.

The thing that is irking me about soras is the flex in activity STILL.

[SpyreX]

?

There's a LOT of variables in that statement that make an answer fairly useless.

However, all things aside and under the assumations that a.) we never saw a doc flip b.) we never saw a big daddy flip c.) soras played like this all game and d.) there was no confirmed players left. I'd probably throw that hammer down.

Of course this is an academic discussion and all.

[SpyreX]

Sorry, there's three levels:

Active pro lynch this sucker.
Apathy lynch him for lack of the above.
Adamant against the lynch.

TF is definitely smack in the middle.

[SpyreX]

FFFFF

This day needs to end. Be a helper.

All you 1 vote suckas, this train is passed. Vote for one of the real wagons or become part of the death machine.

I'll, literally, hammer anyone at this point.

[SpyreX]

Horrordude is scum, making Don town.
KoC is also scum, making Fate town.

Horrodude and Don, suuure.

KoC and Fate though? How the hell does that one add up.

Also, while horrordude is one of those tech lynches: why horror over toon fighter?

[SpyreX]

... Did TF just vote himself?

Yea. Lets get a movin'.

[SpyreX]

If they ask to be lynched, lynch them.

[SpyreX]

Woohooo go apathy for victory.

That said: There's trouble afoot. Fess up now and maybe you're town.

RC being alive is FAR more of a surprise than soras *shock*.

Reckoner bothers me with that whole dance.

KoC, while I can dig apathy, I really don't like the 779 at all.

Don is town *gasp*

RC is town *GASP* moreso I am a proud sheep right here

Vote: Cry

[SpyreX]

Has everyone checked in?

I'll say it one more time before we delve deeper: If you did something to me last night fess up. Now.

[SpyreX]

Diacria = Drives = town.

This isn't hard.

AND I'd like a round of prods before I delve into my mystery since I'm more than a little irritated BUT there is a 50/50 shot it was town sooo.

[SpyreX]

RC, does that mean you disagree with my analysis of horrordude's posts? Also, I don't really see how 508 is a protown post at all. That's lazy wagon hopping; just because it was on scum doesn't make it any less scummy.

Let's not forget the possibility of two scum teams here.

Urrrr?

This is a very, VERY odd thing to say after a night with only 1 kill.

And yes, I'm being totally serious about my other question. I'll give it another little bit before I spill the beans.

[SpyreX]

Yea I'm willing to gamble at this point that its scum bidness:

Some jerkass stole my sweet ADAM last night. That means that chances are high that one of those naughty abilities are getting bought today.

[SpyreX]

Uhh, yea. I'm not saying anything more about my role than what I did. Nice bit of tomfoolery though.

Unvote, Vote: KoC

Yea this is happening.

[SpyreX]

I'm not seeing a dead KoC.

Deathsauce what are your thoughts about the above wagon?

Additionally: how in the ass does saying what reck did constitute a derail? See, I've only rarely seen scum pull that stunt - the difference is I being an awesome believe in giving people what they want and if they want to be lynched you lynch them.

This page is f-- and we need some prods.

[SpyreX]

I'm going back and forth on sora though. I keep having these realizations. My latest one being that he could just be making all of this up.

I really want to hear more from Spyrex though. I feel like he's got something to tell us.

I wish I had shocking revelations besides this one I'm fairly confident about:

KoC is probably scum. Further, if he IS I'm putting Deathsauce on the fastest path to ropination that ever hath existed. I mean, seriously.

HI Dia (WHO IS DRIVES WHO IS TOWN SORAS FFFFF)

You'll get more later its been a weekend

[SpyreX]

for teh lulz.

I am a confused. It was definitely a weekend of madness for me sooo.

Nacho, even if he's WRONG about KoC (which I doubt) is pretty awesomely spacetown.

Deathsauce's inability to ever reference this KoC wagon makes me itchy and hence los ropos if KoC is scum. Its been a while since I've seen the towel-on-head strategem of dealing with a wagon.

I feel like we're flat out missing people. I'd shoot WoW about 2000 times for the "play" this game but he cant be the only one.

[SpyreX]

Hi I am a softclaims how are you doing today?

Why wont anyone talk to me?

WHY DONT THEY LIKE ME?

I'm JUST A SOFTCLAIM /CRY

Dingle dangle

[SpyreX]

I gave my comments on that "wagon" - while I lynch people that asked to be lynched I also haven't seen that happen quite a bit and why would you abort the obvious wagon to stand out like a sore thumb?

And I'm well past the point of wanting your comments since, alas, KoC is scum and you are getting powerbombed tomorrow.

[SpyreX]

If KoC isn't scum that can be dealt with tomorrow.

However, I'll be doing it from the back of my flying pig.

[SpyreX]

I don't have any reason not to believe the claim. However, if you believe that he is town, you must also believe I'm town. It really goes hand in hand.

I think the top lynch candidates for today are Diacria and possible RECKONER. However, with the latter, I went through the exact same feelings he did earlier in the game. It's like the town loves to push, push, push on one person.

This post I swear to god.

Backup Little Sister != Big Daddy Doctor at ALLL.

I'm still calling absolute teaparty on that KoC claim though because my limited understanding of the flavor and how ADAM works and what it does in this game means the inability to own or use ADAM is a total woosh.

Diacria is still drives. Who is still town.

RECK-lynch I'm starting to warm up to but the fact that its just these two mentioned out of it all gives me that terrible itch.

[SpyreX]

Ok before we goo toot toot I want someone to explain to me in simple terms something:

KoC has said he can neither "use" nor "own" ADAM.

Little Sisters facilitate the movement of ADAM to the Gatherers Garden (in this game, where we buy things with ADAM).

Soo... how the hell does that work? He can't use it, presumably cant gain it and giving it would require ownership sooo

[SpyreX]

Yo-lynch-all-vanilla-sarian is here to put the hammer down.

:O

LIES

This makes me more than a little itchy on every level watching the KoC wagon fizzle (and I STILL don't understand how the hell not "owning" or "using" ADAM works for a little sister)

Butttt yea wooosh.

Unvote, Vote: BV

[SpyreX]

....

Hold up a sec.

KoC if you're arguing point 1 where is your vote on soras?

Where is your "offense"?

GOD I CANT LYNCH THEM BOTH HALP

[SpyreX]

IF those powers existed sure BUT SOMEONE STOLE MY BUYING JUICE ANYWAYS.

And seriously if bv hadn't claimed then fell off the universe I'd be wanting KoC to rope for the whole I was day 1 after his hissy-fit about that wagon that I STILL dont understand why it got derailed FFFF

[SpyreX]

In all fairness I want them both dead but BV's departure after his bidness bothers me more.

[SpyreX]

My probalo is the timing of that claim and then PEACE OUT YO.

However, again, I really REALLY really don't like KoC's play after that and how quickly the wagon dissolved and I still haven't got anything resembling a solid reason for that backup working that way.

If BV wasn't playing tech I'd have been pissed all over about that shift. As it is... hell I don't know.

Both of them scum? Maaaybeee
One of the scum? Probably.

[SpyreX]

As abhorrent as it normally is yea I can be bothered to wait until bv gets back within reason.

I like Dia's lastest posting dances a lot.

[SpyreX]

I mean you're still Drives who STILL IS TOWN so it didn't matter but yes.

Removing horror was really the kicker though because he's been pretty up in the air for me.

You think the Death/Reck is a scum slapfight? I wasn't getting that vibe.

[SpyreX]

FFFFF this game GOD how much longer.

DJ is starting to really give me those warm vibes all over even more.

[SpyreX]

Here's the dealio:

TOWN:
Red
Fate
Nacho

Probably Town:
DJ
Horror*
*If CMAR is scum horror makes more sense as scum.

One IS SCUM: (YES, PRETTY SURE NOT BOTH)
xRECK/Death
soras/KoC
*If KoC is scum then Death is waay more likely to be scum than RECK
*If Reck is scum then soras makes

slightly

more sense and vica-versa.

THIS GROUP PISSES ME OFF AND SHOULD JUST BE ERADICATED:
CMAR
Kise
WingsOWisdom's replacement

I can not make up my mind on Chrono.
I may have forgotten someone?

That said, I'm torn.
Logically from what I'm seeing KoC makes the most sense.
Individually? I'm not surprised soras is still alive and I want his damn protect result because VT or not Dia was oozing town.

[SpyreX]

Has he DONE anything since then?

Well, useful as a player or as a "doctor" would be nice. No way we got a double-scum gamut though between KoC AND soras

[SpyreX]

Please god tell me its KoC. PLEASE.

Thats a twofer.

[SpyreX]

With whats on the list of abilities and my adam being stolen and apparently xReck's too lets not do anything stupid like lynch before Fate opts to fess up.

But, yes, please lord Fate say its KoC time.

[SpyreX]

If KoC is scum chances are real high you aren't. Sooo.

[SpyreX]

RC doesn't bother me overtly and if soras IS scum I don't think that done be a buddy-touchy soo swish.

This page is really awesome. In that really awesome way.

[SpyreX]

DJ? Still town.
Nacho? Still town.

Swing and misses.

Red: soras over others? Fo sho?

[SpyreX]

....

While I'm all for a soras lynch in theory this powerbomb before los copos comes in gives me the itchies.

[SpyreX]

Seriously I'm all for lynching soras but THIS?

Hells no.

FATE GET IN HERE SHED SOME LIGHT IF THIS IS AWESOME OR NOT

[SpyreX]

Here's the big thing:

Right now bussing a partner doesn't make sense with Fate claiming a guilty.

So, if ANY of those votes are the busted scum than this lynch needs to shift.

[SpyreX]

If he's talking about that wagon and not today's action filled wagon well thats easymode and I wont spoil it.. yet.

Today's is a bit more intriguing. I still emphatically don't think its Red. All this mystery over KoC hurts the brain though.

Apology to camn? Did I miss something?

[SpyreX]

Unblockable doctor huh? WELP

Damnit fate are you suuuureee he's not guilty.

As for the other, especially looking at this:

I be callin out mr. dude. OHH SNAP.

Look at DJ's reaction versus Horrors, well.

[SpyreX]

Well hot damn. I wasn't even remotely thinking about that.

Unvote, Vote: Kise

[SpyreX]

This game just took a turn for the AWESOME.

Fate playing slappywags but Kise self-voting for it then going lol, joke?

Fate, I know I've said it before, but <3.

Get 'er done.

[SpyreX]

I want some serious explanation for that. I've got ONE idea in mind that isn't fatescum but we'll see.

[SpyreX]

Vote: Fate

NOT ENOUGH PARAGRAPH BREAKS JESUS

Unvote

<3<3

If you are actually scum you win because I've never seen someone fake that much raw anger.

And I lied about the out I was trying to get you to claim it was a track or something which would have MADE NO SENSE since even a 1-shot cop is better than the full time tracker if you were that cool.

So, the real question is: What the hell was Kise thinking with not humping on soras for claiming doc (which he MUST have been or what):

Two docs in this setup only makes sense if the scum started with HELLA go-juice.

As I GOT MY SHIT STOLEN TWICE NOW that doesn't make sense.

I really don't like soras not committing either way. DJ's vote makes sense. Reck's stance makes sense. Soras comin in and doing a fat stack of nothing except LOOK HOW COOL I AM AND claiming the protect on you?

The only thing keeping me from the power bomb is... how the hell did he fake it? That whole flavor-talk and Kise's not voting lends credence that under normal "flavor" shouldn't be there.

So, halp?

[SpyreX]

That is the best preview edit ever.

Yo Fate without rage-eyes (I KNOW ITS HARD) help me add up the dots on soras matching Kise's claim enough he didn't vote the hell out of him for it if its not true?

[SpyreX]

Chrono is off the list as well. Until I get an explanation of how soras-scum could have pulled this trick because Kise didn't go after him at all meaning there's truth there we're not dancing that dance.

KoC better explain what exactly happened with a Little Sister dead to him. That vote does NOT make me happy.

[SpyreX]

That you came out, didn't say what actually happened, and then opted to vote soras which still doesn't make sense.

Yep, pretty sure thats what happened.

[SpyreX]

Woooooo nelly:

Fact: I was backup Little Sister.

Fact: with Coyote's death, I became fully-fledged.

Fact: I was not informed of any link with a Big Daddy, despite a Little Sister always (with the exception of Eleanor Lamb) having a bond with a specific Big Daddy.

Hypothesis: Kise was the only true Big Daddy, Coyote was the only Little Sister.

Further Hypothesis: Soras is either backup Big Daddy hoping to draw a kill (highly unlikely) or scum who claimed Big Daddy hoping that Kise would assume it was a ploy to draw him out and leave Little Sister unguarded.

Note: We are still unaware of the precise powers of a Big Daddy. Assuming soras to be clear because a Big Daddy has flipped with no power definitions = highly dangerous.

Fact: You have claimed backup to a role that base flavor all but guaranteed would be in the game.

Fact: Red Coyote is dead and you haven't said anything about what that change actually DOES.
Secret Fact: This is ridiculously important and it not being stated is awesome.

Fact: Having links was never supposed by Red or Kise. This would have probably been something that would have came out had it been the case.

Fact: Kise, after Soras's claim of Big Daddy doctor never voted for him.

Fact: Soras claimed day 1.

Hypothesis: Kise, being a Big Daddy, after seeing soras's claim of the same, in not voting him ever lends serious credence to soras at least having the mechanics of the role right. As there was no way aside from true mod chicanery for him to know that at that point this means the mechanics probably wasn't obtained through sneaky means.

Problem: Two Docs? I dont know what I think about that.

Statement: Claim WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU for reallies last night in detail.

[SpyreX]

Ohh yea and I'm holding a secret to my vest that has nothing to do with this vote but SOMEONE could claim awesome. They'll know what I'm talking about.

Unvote, Vote: KoC

[SpyreX]

Serious question KoC:

Did you get to give someone an ADAM last night?

[SpyreX]

I can get behind horror by a margin BUT I want KoC to answer that first its actually important

[SpyreX]

Hrrmmmm damnit all thats not the answer I was hopin for.

And you generate ADAM from mislynches and not GOOD lynches? God I just read that.

[SpyreX]

Shhh on my ADAM powers for now.

This whole "Ohh well Kise said so" is NOT awesome and I am not for it.

The mod opted to pretty much confirm KoC or something TRULY bizzare is going on.

Unvote, Vote: DeathSauce

The reck-sauce knot with Reck making far more sense today AND "RIP Kise" ridiculousness is swimming.

[SpyreX]

@Mod: If a backup for a role gets killed, does their role flip include the word "Backup" in it? Yes

[SpyreX]

So, no not technically confirming him but pretty much confirming the existence of backups which, again, means either voodoo OR he's telling the truth.

[SpyreX]

...

Fate said he had a guilty.

Kise self-voted.

Fate came clean that it was a gambit

and still pushed for the lynch

because Kise put the rope around his own neck.

Then, Kise opted not to claim.

Yeaaaaa and instead of trying anything else just focusing pure rage at next day start? Rage that I felt as soon as I saw that flip?

Yea.

[SpyreX]

And yes I was pissed when today started when I saw he said he had a guilty BUT after seeing his posts it all made sense again.

[SpyreX]

Ohh GOD brain lapse:

Why would scum have to be force replaced due to mod error?

Again, I think the modhemian gave us a sign + nacho being pretty swank.

Does this mean the DS/Reck was a slapfight? The numbers are getting too low.

I forgot CMAR was in the game.

AND THIS PAGE OF FATE IS RETARDEDLY TOWN MY GOD

[SpyreX]

Nachomamma is being force-replaced due to mod-error.

(My fault, nothing to do with the game proper).

It took a minute to sink in but YEA.

[SpyreX]

Just thinking about it: most "errors" a mod could make wouldn't impact the scum NEAR as much as the town.

So, a mistake is a heavy weight on Nacho being town.

[SpyreX]

ADAM info probably not. This I am 95% on unless there is wacky results around.

In this setup "investigation result" BETTER mean cop because the other two are f-- and telling the scum not scum is town would be wooo.

I'm not seeing the etc, etc. Doubly so in this setup.

[SpyreX]

Yea KoC is clean fo sho. There was an issue I had in my brain but its cleaned out.

[SpyreX]

The ADAM stealing isn't speculation, fyi. I've been visited by our sweet thief TWICE.

[SpyreX]

.... Budja, you're awesome and on the ball but I wouldn't have said anything there FYI.

In fact, delete that before everyone sees.

[SpyreX]

Hrmm wait lemmecheck somethin

[SpyreX]

WELP CATS AND BAGS AND ALL:

One of Nacho and Wings is scum. P much.

[SpyreX]

WAIT

Maybe not.

maybe.

[SpyreX]

It might be massclaim day.

[SpyreX]

I dont want to go TOO FAR off the deep end but check your original PM and see if you can figure out what I see

[SpyreX]

I guess maybe Budja is being super-extra careful but we'll see how the cards shake out because I'm not convinced good sir.

I'm fairly fine with that although me and you aren't on there at all

[SpyreX]

Don there's a SECRET REASON for doing it today.

[SpyreX]

Ok something funny is going on and we're doing this massclaim today period:

I am just a Citizen. However, TWICE now (1 and 3) I've been given an ADAM from someone AND had my ADAM stolen. I had to ask to make sure it wasn't an oversight based on how things were worded.

So, KoC didn't give me ADAM, DJ didn't give me ADAM... who did?

---

Caelum and Nacho's replacement who needs to be found still? need to claim ASAP.

[SpyreX]

@SpyreX: When you had your ADAM stolen, did the PM use a weirdly worded verb to describe it? Just seeing if your PM checks out with mine.

I can go ahead and claim, but since we're going in a certain order (apparently), I'll wait. I'm just saying that I 100% believe SpyreX's claim of having his ADAM stolen, since it happened to me once.

Verb? No. It was oddly worded though.

[SpyreX]

I've been prodded!

Lets, ya know, make a danglin happen.

[SpyreX]

Who's left?

I've honestly lost huge pieces of this game in the brain

[SpyreX]

I still have a hard time stomaching deathsauce AND reck after that debacle that I still remember.

I claimed already sheesh.

[SpyreX]

I GUESSS but it just doesn't feel right in the belly.

But, yea, PoE is what it is

[SpyreX]

The end. It is in site.

Although not having a replacement AND that other issue still being on the board well we'll see.

[SpyreX]

Yeeeaaa

One quick thing:

Reck, what did your (paraphrased as possible) PM about stolen ADAM say?

[SpyreX]

.. is spyrex still alive?

Hells yea I am sucka and it should be obvious why. That little plan is gonna backfire like a biatch though.

Additionally anyone got any ADAM reports? IT WASNT ME this time.

[SpyreX]

...

DID he reply?

He asked if mine was "weird" and it kinda was but a DS town flip means I want specifics because yea diznaglin' time depending on that answer.

[SpyreX]

GOD LOSING MIND

Yea, he asked if it was "weird" but, what it was really isn't "weird" in the sense he's saying so...

[SpyreX]

OHH SNAP

Fate:

Do you think Budja is super-paranoid cautious?

[SpyreX]

GOD he claimed yesterday?

FFFFF

Anywho fateykins

[SpyreX]

No no.

One other question:

Did YOUR Citizen PM actually make ANY reference to YOUR name?

[SpyreX]

Alright thats what I thought and SCOOP SCOOP WEOOWEOO SCUM FOUND:

(Note, please make sure I'm not screwing this up):

1.) Budja said that Nacho had to be replaced because he accidentally sent him Caelum/WingofWisdom/Faraday/Whomevers PM
2.) Nacho has flipped citizen.
3.) Faraday has claimed citizen.
4.) There is nothing inherently incriminating in the Vanilla PM. I was asking you to make sure there wasn't slappywags with that side of it.

4 means that sending the wrong person a Vanilla PM means absolutely nothing.

So, why would you replace out someone for something that didn't matter? You wouldn't. Especially not with the replacementitis this game has had.

Hence, Faraday is lying.

Hence, scum.

Reck or Faraday either or they've both gotta go.

[SpyreX]

GOD Nacho was here the WHOLE TIME hrrrrmmmmm I thought there was replacementitis

That does make 1 a lot more plausible and I thought I had it all nice and wrapped up.

I still am watching that because that slot WAS awesome but it steadily has become less awesome. Faraday better kick it up a notch.

So I'll wait for reck to answer my question about what his said specifically.

OHH SNAP PREVIEW EDIT

Ohh hoss no I'm awesome you first buddy

[SpyreX]

Pshhh I'm still awesome and SCOOP SCOOP

There was no "verb" used to describe the stealing.

There was two whole lines. One saying I received 1 ADAM. The other saying I had 0 ADAM.

I had to ask and make sure it was right.

It was.

WEEOEOOO

Unvote, Vote: Reck

[SpyreX]

Yea someone loves me and N1 I got and lost an ADAM at the same time.

[SpyreX]

He'd just be forward a role PM ONE WOULD THINK

ANYWHO:

SOMEONE should have had their ADAM stole last night. Mine was the same both times. (well, N2 I got the you have received 1 ADAM, N3 I got you have 0 ADAM and N1 I got both together it was sweet and last night is a SECRET MYSTERY).

They should be able to clear it up unless 0 ADAM means no happy messages.

Additionally where's our "doc" at up ins?

[SpyreX]

Hey I'm just saying what I saw. I THOUGHT it was a mod error until I asked and was told otherwise.

And then it happened AGAIN sooo

[SpyreX]

Because that's a flat lie?

Once you kept on about verbs that whole me voting for you should have made that clear?

[SpyreX]

Lets nip this in the bud real quick:

I got an ADAM last night.

Ok, back on track.

[SpyreX]

Damnit you didn't give me that ADAM?

What is going on this game my lord.

When I'm back at my machines I can colorify that VC.

Additionally SOMEONE needs to fess up to getting stole from so we can lynch reck and high fives all around

[SpyreX]

Reck knows I've got nothing but love for him, regardless of the fact he's scum.

But seriously:

1.) I got an ADAM last night that apparently isn't from DJ
2.) The other person who got stole from NEEDS to come out and say so.

[SpyreX]

... I guess I'm not

I'm just really, really hoping.

[SpyreX]

FATTEEEE

DJ says he sent Reck an ADAM, Reck says he didn't get it, I said I have an ADAM and you vote FOR ME?

FFFFF

[SpyreX]

I WAS going to try and hold it for cop but I just bought tracker with it.

We need KoC's replacement.

[SpyreX]

If KoC's actually GAVE me the damn ADAM that clears that up. And maybe he got stole from and this can be cleared up too.

In short while I want dead Reck I want this cleared up NOW as well.

[SpyreX]

Fate WHY is Chrono town again?

At least one mystery is cleared up.

[SpyreX]

VINDICATION

Sweet, sweet vindication.

I helped with TF although not a hero and have found a few town and I'm getting REAL nervous about Chrono these days AND I still think there's something to my Faraday business but noooo

Of course when soras flips scum (see above) then I win.

[SpyreX]

Ohh you've gotta be kidding me? Reck was town AND Fate was scum?

GOD in heaven

[SpyreX]

There is some serious teaparty with that mod issue then.

Hella Kudos on that fakeclaim though.

Was Faraday the other one? WAS I RIGHT?

[SpyreX]

God damnit you're playing slappywags?

DAMNIT FATE NO

[SpyreX]

Actually I'd like a pre-prod on our good friend soras and him to go ahead and relist his targets every night.

[SpyreX]

.. Fate, are you trying to say I'm scum with soras and tried to shift to Drives D1?

SHAME.

Scoop scoop nothing's happening until soras speaks up.

[SpyreX]

I remember voting for drives I think?

And then him being that special kind of retarded only town can be.

All I know is that if you jacked me you did it good and at this point (SANS SECRET INFORMATION) you're my town read and I'm rollin fat with it.

[SpyreX]

Haha nope I was prepped for it THEN he went all awesome because of how he voted for soras.

GOD THIS GAME

And since I dont feel like waiting a week for soras - scoop scoop:

I tracked him last night.

He went

WAIT FOR IT

WAIT

Nowhere!

[SpyreX]

"But SpyreX he's a doc roleblocked lolololol"

Yea but he's unblockable from his own lying mouth sooo

Unvote, Vote: Soras

[SpyreX]

HA HAHA HAHAHAH

The only reason I was worried about waiting was the "I forgot to send in an action" which wouldn't have surprised me but made me doubt this.

Chances of DJ being the partner? I'm going minimal up on that bad boy.

[SpyreX]

I still want to know WHAT THE HELL because I sure didn't see soras DO anything last night and I want a damn confirmation of what the hell that is about.

[SpyreX]

Last night?

Far as I know nothing happened.

The night before?

Unless I'm being SCREWED WITH I wasn't roleblocked I WATCHED HIM GO NOWHERE.

If thats what one gets when roleblocked I'm gonna have words when this is over.

[SpyreX]

....

If he did that and didn't say anything welp GG

[SpyreX]

I think I want everyone to chime in and make sure we dont have any shocking revelations but a NL makes sense UNLESS the ADAM thief is third party and not balanced against a weaker scumteam.

[SpyreX]

I'm getting REAL paranoid that whomever the ass that is (who is clearly not town) is third party and leaves when they steal enough adam. At this point I'd rather, much rather, it be a scum power.

I'm awesome. I'm not that awesome.

[SpyreX]

And I have a SECRET THEORY about some of the kills but I dont want to share it quite yet.

It, if I'm right, is HILARIOUS and our best hope.

[SpyreX]

That would be awesomer BUT its even more priceless and when it clicks and it IS the faraday-horror team you'll love it.

[SpyreX]

Jesus H I've been gone AND PRETTY SURE IVE DONE THIS BEFORE:

1: I got the awesome you received an ADAM / you have 0 ADAM.
-- No action
2: I got you received an ADAM
-- No action (I was trying to be COOL BUT ALAS)
3: I got you have 0 ADAM
-- WELP GUESS WHAT THAT MEANS
4: I recieved an ADAM
-- Bought Tracker - Soras nowhere
5: Nothing
-- Nothing
6: Nothing
-- Nothing
7: Nothing
-- GUESS WHAT THAT MEANS

That should be all right, ffs.

[SpyreX]

No, the numbers are nights, the marks are day. You buy during the day.

So, I GUESS it should say:

-- Bought Tracker
5: Soras went nowhere.

[SpyreX]

I dont know how I got it. Just that I did and lost it the same time.

I'm SUPER STOKED using this information for a mislynch for the win though.

I mean, its not like I haven't had that said since day 2, rite?

[SpyreX]

The hell is "You waited to pull this stunt at mylo" an AtE?

[SpyreX]

Yes, I don't know where I got it.

Yes, this was stated day 2.

Yes, at mylo is when you've opted to push this stunt.

If you're going to actually push this as the tech move for the day then we'll dance. AS IT SITS I STILL THINK YOU ARE TOWN SO BACKUP A STEP

[SpyreX]

you don't know where you got it. hows about you speculate? maybe give us a couple theories on how you, and you alone, recieved adam on night 1. the night after a scum lynch. and nothing similar has happened to anyone else in 7 days. i'd love to hear your ideas.

The only thing that makes sense is someone started with ADAM and gave it out. Since, of course, that was like I said WAAYYY back when pooling resources was a good idea.

If KoC is alluding to starting with ADAM nows not the time for dancing around the point.

[SpyreX]

Someone did.

Thats the simple fact. Something isn't adding up though - between the ADAM thief AND the assumption(s) that a.) no town are lying about their ADAM and b.) scum aren't giving ADAM out to town the numbers just dont click. Getting a tier A PR would be a day 3 shot in the dark.

[SpyreX]

Et tu, fate?

[SpyreX]

I want them to chime in FOR REALS.

What's got me still really churning is the:

"Hey Spyrex, think we should lynch even though its mylo?"
"Normally no, but the ADAM thief is an issue that -could- screw us if we don't"
....
"LOOK AT THESE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOREVER VOTE: SPYREX"

Faraday is partially my mod gamble.
Both of them are doing A+ work in the lurking department but... why would you kill a lurker in that case?

PREVIEW EDIT:

YOU KNOW WHY THE FUCK

[SpyreX]

Actually, I'll let my cat out of the bag right now:

You know why we're both still alive?

This. Right here.

The ball of lurker-scum is hoping we self implode on each other and go down aflames.

[SpyreX]

And on the flipside:

If that explosion after faking the result on Kise was faked I applaud you and that single fact will win you the game.

[SpyreX]

This isn't deathclan territory SHEESH.

Like a page ago when I said there's a reason we're alive and I was going to explain later? Yea. Thats it.

If I'm scum and they're scum, why would I roll KoC at that juncture and tie RECK to it versus KoC and RECK not making sense as scum together at all?

[SpyreX]

AND FOR THE RECORD YOUR DAMN PREVIEW EDIT MAKE THAT TAKE LONGER

[SpyreX]

The hell would I know why CMAR got killed? Simple PoE of [players that are scum] / [players they don't want to kill]?

Reck and KoC didn't make sense as scum together. Still don't. You don't have the lurker play wingman in getting you lynched and then go back to doing nothing. That push wouldn't have done KoC any good.

Oh and this whole "WUT U WAITED TILL MYLO TO BRING THIS SHIT UP?" Doesn't fly cause:
1. It means you're calling DJ scum
2. Just cause it didn't click TILL MyLo doesn't mean it didn't click. Reck started with one adam too.. HRMMMMM.

1.) Actually, I still think he's not scum (maybe the thief). I'm confused and irritated at the pull NOW. Especially after the discussion about nolyching and me bringing up the thief.

2.) Ohh hells no I didn't start with any ADAM. I got it and lost it the same night. I had to ask the damn mod about it. And why, WHY would that take until now to click if you're a role thats giving out ADAM? That's the part that has me confused. All over.

Also this makes no fucking sense at all. Rephrase.

If I was scum with KoC and RECK why the hell would I tie THEM together like that in this setup that, theoretically, could have multi-copped? Tying partners together in an either/or is ballsy to begin with but here? Suicidal.

As for Faraday-Horror?

6. SpyreX - Yea
10. horrordude0215
12. Faraday
13. Fate - Town
15. don_johnson - Town / Thief?
16.Knight of Cydonia*

That leaves KoC, Faraday, Horrordude. AGAIN and we can fight about this KoC and RECK don't make sense.

So, PoE leaves it there. Add in the stellar volumes of play we've seen from Horror and my personal theory TM on Faraday with the ample posting on that end, yea.

And WIFOM all you want but if I was scum you'd have a bullet through you D1 and you know it.

[SpyreX]

And if/then is tying them together good lord man. If it wasn't we wouldn't be having this conversation.

KoC flat out said Reck was lying in his claim before the deadlands and jumped on the fact, correctly, reck's claiming to not have got ADAM doesn't make sense with what we've seen. That pretty much does both because in this bizarro KoC / Reck / SpyreX world getting ME lynched would have made a whole hell of a lot more sense.

CMAR getting killed points at liars in the non-vanilla claims. Plain and smiple. Hence the PoE.

You have a better reason why CMAR got killed? Further, why I would have done it?

PREVIEW:

Thats awesome and all BUT WHY WOULD I KILL CMAR? An absolute non entity? On MYLO after pushing for a lynch on not-mylo?

[SpyreX]

I'm going to strangle you with the apathy of this game if you dont GET BACK HERE AND EXPLAIN THIS TO ME

[SpyreX]

I dont think killing ANYONE right now makes sense thief or not.

And yea I said it before night because you buy during the day and on the offchance someone else was going to be a cool kid it would have been sold out soooo.

ANYWHO BACK TO WHAT I WAS SAYING:

Explain it to me damnit. EXPLAIN IT. This is EXACTLY why I thought we weren't dead and its happening. WHY WHY would I leave you alive? WHY would I kill CMAR?

And if the answer is WIFOM I'll strangle a kitten.

[SpyreX]

Jesus man I was smoking what the hell is going on.

[SpyreX]

:X

Maybe?

What are the passouts per night that we can track out. And if this is more SPYREX + KOC 2SCUM4SCUM I'm gonna lose my mind.

OHH I SEE THAT IS WHAT IT IS

Fate I'm going to shake my head forever if you go through with this.

[SpyreX]

So its down to I've bussed my entire team and actively defended you and killed CMAR now?

I SEE WHAT IT IS AS IN YOU COLORED ME AND KOC RED ALREADY GOOD LORD MAN WHAT ARE YOU PLAYING AT

[SpyreX]

Soooo on top of it all scum can only get scum from a scum little sister?

And where is there supposedly no handouts?

You're making me paranoid and now I GET TO GO LOOK BACK TOO,

PART OF SCUMHUNTING IS NOT LETTING THE LYNCH GO THROUGH ON YOU WHO IS TOWN COME ON NOW WORK WITH ME

And if KoC is scum I'd been trying to get him lynched FOREVER but, alas, couldn't and then reck scum'd and soras DIDNT GO ANYWHERE

[SpyreX]

NO GOD DAMNIT IM NOT GOING TO BE THE PATSY JUST BECAUSE IM LORD OF THE DICKED WITH THIS SETUP

I STILL THINK SORAS THE GENUIS MISREAD HIS DAMN PM AND GOT BLOCKED.

I HAD ADAM AND IT WAS GONE AND I GOT IT N1 FFFFF

[SpyreX]

JESUS MAN I COULD HAVE JUST KILLED YOU EARLY AND PUT ON THE CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL WITH THIS GROUP

OR I COULD HAVE LET THE LYNCH ALL LIARS SQUAD HAVE THEIR WAY

WHY WOULD I NOT DO THAT AS SCUM GODDDDDDDDD

I want an 'I told you so' in your sig if the damn scumchat says ANYTHING about leaving us both alive until we devour each other for the loss.

Unvote, Vote: No Lynch

I STILL WILL NEVER KNOW WHERE I GOT THAT ACCURSED ADAM FROM