Mini 988 - Small Town Mafia GAME OVER

[jasonT1981]

confirm

[jasonT1981]

Vote: Cuetlachtli

Never trust your former scumbuddies.

good point

vote: Zach

[jasonT1981]

Vote jasonT1981

Avatar looks similar to the actress Lindsey Lohan (I could be wrong, thought).

Tara Reid....

yes,
if there is a cop here plz investigate the cow...
it seems suspicios


jk if your a cop then investagate whoever you want

Here fishy, fishy!!

rolefishing much?

fos: Butterfly

unvote:Zach

[jasonT1981]

yes,
if there is a cop here plz investigate the cow...
it seems suspicios


jk if your a cop then investagate whoever you want

Here fishy, fishy!!

rolefishing much?

fos: Butterfly

Explain please.

Rolefishing? trying to find out a role without directly coming out and asking who is the cop. the fact he then says JK investigate who you want shows he is eager in a way to try and out the cop.... someone who the scum fear, and would want to know the identity of as early as possible.

bringing up the cop role - rolefishing

[jasonT1981]

seems to be content to comment on random stuff right now rather than get into the game to be honest Zach.

Nacho, I found it suspicious hence the FOS... not enough to warrent a vote in proper game discussion yet, I would like to see how he responds to the claims of rolefishing.

Nacho, do you find it to be rolefishin?

[jasonT1981]

Now that we have found our Third Party let's look for mafia.

Simpost with Ex in my last.... have i missed something? 3rd party? how do you know there is one in this game? I had another look at the write up and nothing I can see leads me to think (yet) there is a 3rd party.

Slip???

[jasonT1981]

I approve of this. Also Nacho's latest posts clearly contradict his initial statement.

Nice point.

[jasonT1981]

why would you ask others about game setup before replyin?

[jasonT1981]

Well, if it is info everyone has info to... you would already know the answer to your question. no?

[jasonT1981]

Right now I am thinknig Nacho's comments, though scummy were more to provoke reactions and see who would jump on. though there is a hella lot of WIFOM involved with his post that I do not like.

Butterfly... I suspect you, because no one suspects the Butterfly as you say!!

[jasonT1981]

well, then that gives even more motive for rolefishing, Foo... scum, like town not knowing the setup and would want to test the waters on a cop... who is the most dangerous role to them

[jasonT1981]

So, you disagree scum would want to try and find out there is a cop role and who it miht be and eliminate him as a threat as early as possible?

[jasonT1981]

your guys are rigt... that douse seem a little scummy dousent it?

vote: Exilon

but i could be completly wrong on this... he could just be a townie trying to give out some deacent advice....

also as you can see, im back

Scum justification of the vote... and then a backout, which he states in case he is wrong!!!

on top of the role fishing this hop on the wagon strikes me as odd

vote: Butterfly

[jasonT1981]

vote: Butterfly

even

Don't worry, I'll except votes/unvotes with broken tags.

[jasonT1981]

what I find more worrying, Foo is the fact he unvotes right away after being called on the content of his vote by me

[jasonT1981]

vote: Super Smash Bros. Fan

he ninjaed my spot

unvote

before i get in any more trouble

cop out again.... you do realize this is serious discussion now?

[jasonT1981]

and now backing away when the heat is on.... I love it

tired, and not sure what your doing does not justify your vote/unvote of SSBF for a silly reason during serioius discussion

[jasonT1981]

Butterfly, do you have experience in off site (other sites) playing mafia before you played on MS?

I too, like SSBF and warey of giving people a pass on the 'newbie' excuse. It is played too many times i feel in an attempt to explain someones scumminess.

[jasonT1981]

LOL... now I remember why I love playing with Zach

[jasonT1981]

Just posting to say I'm here, and will contribute once my game of DotA ends.

why sign up to a game, if you cant play until the one your already in ends?

can you not play more than one at a time?

how long do you expect before your other game ends and you can make vaild contributions to this game?

[jasonT1981]

Also, right now I see no real problem with Zachs play... we have played together many times and He usually plays like this. He is playing to his town meta so far.

[jasonT1981]

Dota is a pc game, lasts about an hour max per game .

Ohhhhh.. my mistake, sorry I thought it was another mafia game.

[jasonT1981]

but... asking questions of others is helpful to the town

by asking questions, you get reactions.... reactions help the game.

Also, you say he is not contributing much but in the same sentance say he is asking questions... is that not, contributing?

[jasonT1981]

Id rather have short posts... than mastan type posts

[jasonT1981]

Where / When do Zach and Concerned show eagerness for a quicklynch?

They didn't' ok.

It's just that Zach and Concerned both jumped on your wagon real quick.

but you clearly said they did...

Zach and Concerned seem eager for an early lynch

.

now your saying they didn't? why the backpeddling?

backpeddling - scumtell

[jasonT1981]

actually,

unvote
vote - 0x1de

[jasonT1981]

opinion may vary....

but you clearly said they were eager for an early lynch... then said they didn't, thats not changing your opinion

thats backpeddling.. the way I am seeing it, no one else was hopping on your 'case' so you didn't want to persue it, which means you had no real interest in building a case based on their behaviour in the first place.

Another scumtell

[jasonT1981]

dont lynch you, without you?

Sorry for asking the obivious... but what???

[jasonT1981]

Unvote

Well, moving beyond the exilon bandwagon. I'm getting a bad read from jason.

Vote: jasonT1981

Too persistent on reiterating your point on backpeddling and "pointing out" scum tells. Fact is smart scum will play it smart. So as much as cases against people are great. It's day 1, and my gut on you is a scum one. And I'd rather go by my gut on day 1 than anything else.

you would rather go with your gut on day 1 rather than scumminess and scum tells?

interesting....

[jasonT1981]

So, scumhunting and pointing out scumtells/scummy behaviour on day 1 - not good?

Sorry, i thought the town lynched scum on information of scumminess not guts.

I point out scummy behaviour.. because... its scummy, and of interest to the town... live with it.

[jasonT1981]

Too persistent on reiterating your point on backpeddling and "pointing out" scum tells. Fact is smart scum will play it smart. So as much as cases against people are great. It's day 1, and my gut on you is a scum one. And I'd rather go by my gut on day 1 than anything else.

hree is another instance of scumtells being talked about....

... i still think i have him voted

unvote

sorry if that stikes you as odd but im a fairly odd person with odd stagities in any game...
in most games i like going for long shots but im not really sure what im doing here...
anyway if you want to vote for me go for it... i dont mind to much everyone has there opinions

Unvote

,

Vote: The Butterfly

A willingness to be voted for (and eventually lynched) is anti-town and a scum tell.

And yet you have nothing to say about it....

oh, and talk of tells again... and nothing said about it..

The butterfly does appear to be a fairly obvious vote at this point, he's said a few silly things.

However I'm going to assume he's fairly inexperienced and I can't count how many times both town and scum have jumped on the newbie early on simply because he/she isn't careful enough about what they say.

Also I feel like the whole "rolefishing" angle is a dead end, I think butterfly read the word "investigate"

in Exilon's preceding post and his mind immediately jumped to cop which is why he mentioned it, null tell.

I just feel like I've gone down this road all to often with players like butterfly, and I'm not convinced he has any more chance of being scum than newb town.

Vote : Antonio

In the hopes that he'll say something.

So, why simply point out against me.. when others have talked about tells and nothing said about it by you....

it is scummy... if you are oing by your gut....

right?

[jasonT1981]

So basically, and lets see if I am picking this up right

Day 1 you should not scum hunt... and o by your ut, and if you try to figure out who is doing scummy things, thats scummy?

thats what it sounds like you are saying LOL

[jasonT1981]

Damn G button sticks grrrr

[jasonT1981]

[hr] 99 [/hr]

sorry, I have to ask.. .as I have seen this twice now.... what is with this [hr] thing?

[jasonT1981]

Ok, good...

now, who do you suspect and why?

is there anything you have picked up on that may have been missed?

How do you feel about those currently on your wagon?

[jasonT1981]

i dont really suspect anyone quite yet.... i have not gathered enough information quite yet...

How could you have absolutely no suspects in the game? Within one day of starting, we already have 162 comments that you could have looked over and you still can't find a suspect? That's amazingly bad.

ok, fine i have some suspects but im not giveing them out just yet...

Alright, despite the 'claim' from his 'brother' I would love an answer as to why he does not wanty to give out his suspects.

he went to having none

i dont really suspect anyone quite yet.... i have not gathered enough information quite yet...

.

to the above not wanting to give them out when asked why he had no suspects.... proven lying to the town..

So, why the lying butterfly?

[jasonT1981]

Yea, I agree. Lynch now please.

Scum claim...
no content provided
joke about scum claim with excuse
proven lying.
is that vote from him considered a self vote?

Yea, scum!!

[jasonT1981]

see my last post and zachs iso

[jasonT1981]

good point, I actually forgot I had switched my vote to Ox. I still thought my vote was on Butterfly.

unvote
vote:butterfly

I still want to push Ox on day 2. however a scumclaim, regardless of excuses is a ood enough reason to lynch

[jasonT1981]

Jason: I asked further elaboration from you, yet you haven't given me anything. Is what you stated to my question about Butterfly the only reason why you support Butterfly's lynch?

I thought I made my reasons for wanting a butterfly pretty clear in one of my posts....

you say the only reason though, as if I only have one reason for supporting his lynch... hell I was the one who started the entire thing on Butterfly with the roleclaiming and his get out clause in his vote at the start. But since you asked I will once again show my reasons for wanting his lynch

Yea, I agree. Lynch now please.

Scum claim...
no content provided
joke about scum claim with excuse
proven lying.
is that vote from him considered a self vote?
Yea, scum!!

Add to that the get out clause in his post

vote: Exilon

but i could be completly wrong on this... he could just be a townie trying to give out some deacent advice....

Thats 6 reasons I support his lynch 7 if you count the role fishing I think he was doing also.

So, no it was not the only reason.. I have 7 reasons.

I hope that answers your question

[jasonT1981]

Also before we lynch butterfly, I'd like every player who hasn't done so to post their opinions on a butterfly lynch.

I would like this done before he reaches L-1 preferably because people on L-1 inevitably get lynched before I want them to, something about players on L-1 makes people want to hammer, scum and town a like .

I would like a claim from him before he is lynched.

[jasonT1981]

Ah, alright sorry. but basically along the lines of what Zach has already echoed.. if we do not do it and we ride out to the deadline scum butterfly could slink out of sight in the hopes another wagon forms and town thus forgetting his scumminess when a new waon is formed.

Deadline is not the issue, The reason I am asking for his lynch is he has done 7 thins in my book worthy of being lynched for.

Just because there is a deadline date does not mean we cant lynch until then, in fact I don't think I have ever seen a game go to the deadline date... if I have its rare.

Hell, a game I was in recently I was lynched within a day of game starting up again. Unfortinutly this is still on going and can not link to it.

[jasonT1981]

@jasont1981 and Concerned: Didn't The Butterfly just claim scum? Or do you think he actually didn't claim?

Oh, theres no doubt hew claimed scum.. he claearly said he was, then gave a shitty explination right away. what makes you thin, that I think he didnt actually claim?

[jasonT1981]

y would i claim scum if i didnt want to be killed, and u know i dont want to be killed becouse i blamed it on my brother right away, so y would i bother saying i was scum since that would obviously mess me up if i was only then going to try and get out of it by blameing it on my brother?

Epic WIFOM

i was trying to keep these to myself but Jason really seems to whant to see them

2. jasonT1981- you have been pokeing at me from day 1. would you be trying to divert atention from yourself.

OMGUS added to WIFOM...

Why were you keeping them to yourself though, also this is still day 1... i started my case when there was no attention on me at all, so why would I have been poking at you to keep attention off me?

[jasonT1981]

So basically, your reason is because I think you are scum, and are presuing it?

[jasonT1981]

fair enough.... I dont buy it but its a reason, I guess...


Butterfly, since your 'brother' claimed for you, how would you feel about claiming your role if/when you reach L-1? would you be willing to?

any issues with doing so?

[jasonT1981]

Also, if I had been making a case on someone else, aside from you... would you still think I was scum doing the same thing only to another person?

[jasonT1981]

I have already said everything about butterfly lynch, the facts are there....no one else is as scummy as he is and thus I see him as the optimal lynch with the highest chance of hitting scum.

Anyway, just a heads up. I have family here in 10 minutes so won't be about much today.. if at all. However I will check in if I get a chance to

[jasonT1981]

You realize how bloody anti-town that makes you right now?

Ox and Butterfly = scum

[jasonT1981]

you do also realize how much bloody WIFOM you just intentionally created also with that? that in its self is scummy as hell..

2 scum claims.

Lynch Butterfly now, Ox tomorrow. We have 2 people posted scum claims now...

[jasonT1981]

I am warey of ANYONE who claims scum... it creates so much WIFOM regardless of it being serious or not and that is a bad thing for town.

His claim may not have been 'serious' but how are we to know if there is any truth behind it or not.. hence the WIFOM it introduces... and hence why it is scummy. regardless of being serious or not.

[jasonT1981]

You realize how bloody anti-town that makes you right now?

Ox and Butterfly = scum

im sorry for bringing this up again, but why did you jump on Ox so quickly?
he was very sacasticly saying that he was scum and makeing a question with it... so why did you say he was scum? all he did was ask a question.

you seem to not be paying attention, I already had suspicions of Ox dating back to this post

Where / When do Zach and Concerned show eagerness for a quicklynch?

They didn't' ok.

It's just that Zach and Concerned both jumped on your wagon real quick.

but you clearly said they did...

Zach and Concerned seem eager for an early lynch

.

now your saying they didn't? why the backpeddling?

backpeddling - scumtell

And I followed that post up with a vote

[jasonT1981]

Fair enough, I was making the point though to Buttterfly that I had suspicion on him earlier on in the game and not just from that one post. And I actually had not jumped on him quickly as Butterfly was saying.

the point of my post was that I wanted to show him, I was not jumping on like he said and had earlier voiced concern towards Ox

[jasonT1981]

basically yes. His post suggested, at least to me that I just jumped on it with no mention of.... or suspicion of Ox before hand.

[jasonT1981]

.
so how would you know that she is town if she is?

bit off game... but the name Jason kinda gives it away that I am not a she!

[jasonT1981]

By the way, are you planning on making use of your vote anytime soon Butterfly?

This. I find it odd the despite the fact that The Butterfly listed his two suspects, he never voted for either.

im afraid to vote becouse it might put more suspision onto me

that is a very anti-town thing to do......wont vote cause it will make you more suspicious? rubbish... you don't have any scum suspect, because in fact you are scum!

My opinion on Butters: The scumclaim stuff is nonsense.

As for the rest it is neutral for me

. It just looks like a policy (or even personality) lynch, which I object to on principle.

Having said that, I am resigned to his lynch and it wouldn't be

that

bad.

[/b]
Red: I don't agree with lynching my partner. But am resigned to it anyway

[jasonT1981]

Read I meant to say, sorry

[jasonT1981]

also im goting to

unvote

becouse of the siblings rank...
if my brother dies i die with him

Your brother is NOT in this game! FFS, post some damn content, build a case, place a vote or something proactive instead of rambling nonsense.

[jasonT1981]

If butter does, on the off chance flip town.. I am looking at OX closer, looking at his recent posts, he already seems to know Butterfly will flip town.

but only if Butterfly does flip town I guess this will be a valid arguement

[jasonT1981]

FFS Butters is 14

Age has no bearing on this game WHAT SO EVER now you are just making excuses for Butterflys scumminess. And making yourself look like his partner



.

Look mate, play a few newbie games. Most of us are adults, so use proper English and punctuation (near enough).

Why is this even an issue, using proper english or punctuation is nothing to do with scum hunting, so stop getting personal.

[jasonT1981]

Sorry, but no... age or grammer has nothing to do with scum hunting.

[jasonT1981]

I feel we need more content from these people

Concerned
Antonio
DavidParker
Cuetlachtli

today, before we go ahead with the lynch. I would rather they all weigh in on goings on rather than have them coast through day 1. Their insight could be very valuable in determining how we go forward in this game.

[jasonT1981]

Scratch concerned of for now, sorry I didn't mean to include him in that list as he recently posted

[jasonT1981]

thats a very interesting point Zach that I missed, his vote is on Antonio.

[jasonT1981]

Scum bus? hehehe

[jasonT1981]

I think this against the rules and warrants a modkill,

Concerned. Also, stupid defense. I don't think the main issue Zach had with you was the fact you were refraining to hammer, yet you talk like that's the issue. Personally, I saw the first post of this argument as very blatant teaching while "keeping appearances". None of what you said so far as shattered that belief.

I want EVERYONE to pay attention to the red and bolded....

I feel this is an extrmely scummy play.... he knows Butterfly (his hypo scum partner in my book) is near lynch and calls for a mod kill, this saving his partner....

not only is it scummy as hell but in very poor spirit of the game requesting a modkill.

[jasonT1981]

Also, I beleive linking to an active game is only a warning at best, Ex.. I did it once and recieved only a warning.... a mod kill is too exteme.. but since the heat is on your scum partner, i see why you are calling for it.. easy way to get to the night, without losing your scum buddy

[jasonT1981]

because I am content to lynch butterfly today, and build a better case on you tomorrow on you, but reardless, you made a suggestion of a modkill... that is not misrepping you. That is pointing out a solid fact.

Regardless of what way you meant it.... it seemed suggestive and something you wanted to happen... your even bringing it up shows that to me.

Sorry, but I do not like anyone bringing up modkills on anyone. you could have let it slide or maybe said im pretty sure you are not allowed to do this... but you spacifically said this warrents a mod kill... no misrepping ffom me about it. it is your own words..

I think this against the rules and warrants a modkill,

.

no misrep about that...

[jasonT1981]

= Whatever, dude. You're still scummy to me.
AMAZING reasoning there.

What are your reasons for finding me scummy again, sorry with no ISO available atm... I can not find them.

Also, if I am still scummy to you, why is your vote on Concerned (Mod has it listed as Antonio).

In my defense, I didn't refer that

you

should get modkilled or specifically asked for it. I apologize for any confusion as well.

anyway, back on topic,
UNVOTE: .

Ah, but the fact is.. it is not the players job to point out rule breaks, it is up to the mod to moderate the game... not players. Players are meant to scum hunt. It does not matter how you say you meant it, the fact is you brought up the posibility of a mod kill on a player. And that shows to me you were looking or fishing for one.

[jasonT1981]

ohhh ok ISOs are back now

[jasonT1981]

ok, even if Ex is telling the truth about how he meant it... I still think it is in quite poor game spirit to say that... and even though he may not have been actually wanting a modkill... it came across as sugestive towards the mod that con maybe should be modkilled... hence why i thought he was looking for a modkill.

[jasonT1981]

I decided to back off that because others didnt find it as big a deal as I did... I don't agree with what you said, I think it is in poor spirit but whatever.....

you are right on Antonio, I will give you that

[jasonT1981]

OK, the post rate in this game is horrible Prods are needed, based on last post on

Last post by Antonio » Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:35 pm - 5 posts,

5 days with no posting

Last post by Cuetlachtli » Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:14 pm - 4 posts,

6 days with no posting

LastPost by Nachomamma8 » Sun Jun 13, 2010 12:19 am - 9 posts,

6 days with no posting

Last Post by foobert » Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:01 pm - 19 posts (not too bad actually)

3 days with no post

Last Post by The Butterfly » Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:30 pm - lots of posts, no content

2 days now with no post (48 hour prod rule)

Prods needed by end of today

Last post by Super Smash Bros. Fan » Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:35 pm - good post rate though, prod due in 3 hours
Last post by Concerned » Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:40 pm - decent post rate, prod due in 7 hours
Last post by by 0x1de » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:22 pm decent post rate, prod due in 5 hours

Antonio, Cuet, and Nacho are needed ASAP or replacements should be sought out, to keep this game flowing as there only seems to be myself, Zach, Ex and Ox are interested in this game.. that is only 4 out of 12 activly involved in this game.

[jasonT1981]

oh, and Concerned, sorry

[jasonT1981]

Nacho has been activly posting today on MS

Cuetlachtli last post on MS was last sunday in this game
Last post by y DavidParker » Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:02 pm (prod needed in 4 hours - missed him)
Antonios last post on MS was his last post here

[jasonT1981]

Nacho has been activly posting today on MS

Sir, where are you getting your information? Show proof, hun.

.

Sure

Can't link to them as they are on going, but if everyone goes to your profile, and view posts of Nacho they will see you were activly posting in

Mini 989 - Disgaea Mafia Episode 2 (day 1)
Open 203: C/9 night 4
Riddle Me This! NY111 (Day 4)
NY 114: Mafia vs. Werewolves (Night 2)
Mini 965 - Infection Mafia (Day 3)
Werewolf: Wisborg Asylum: (Day 7)

on Friday/Saturday morning...All after your last post here on Sunday 13th (sat 12th in US) and before that one you just posted... a day and a bit before your post here, so yes... there is proof you were active, hun.

[jasonT1981]

Nacho, any reason why you ask me to provide proof asking where I got my info... then completly ignore it without comment when I provide proof?

[jasonT1981]

What kind of comment were you expecting? I just wanted to make sure you weren't pulling anything out of your ass.

Well, you would have already known I would not have been pulling it out of my ass

[jasonT1981]

quite alarmed by both Butterfly and Antonio promising content then disappearing again... much sadness

[jasonT1981]

Nacho... please, please sort out your quotes. Anyway, I do aree with him on his first point. It really does seem David Parker is not convinced Butterfly will flip scum and is just ridign along the wagon with his comment '

unless we find a scum somehow, a butterfly lynch is the best thing for town as far as I can tell from his actions.'

heavy ole

FOS: DP

1 day, 4 hours later no Antonio catch up like promised
nearly a day later no Buttlerfly catch up.

this makes me sad. I would be quite happy with the hammer falling on Butterfly now. It is clear Antonio has no intent of actually doing anything.

[jasonT1981]

Sorry, im not trying to make it so that no one sees me as scum by attacking others.... im trying to find scum....see the difference Butterfly?

your whole case of me being scum because I attack you is OMGUS

What are your views on David Parker, Butterfly? And aside from the not posting, what else do you have on Antonio.

Is there anything you think we have missed that could be useful to the town going into day2?

[jasonT1981]

where the F*ck is Antonio.

[jasonT1981]

yes i see the differentce, but no one is searching for scum as much as you are.
.

Wait... seriously...

you think I am scum because I am scum hunting more than anyone!!!!

[jasonT1981]

i saw that Antonio said he would be posting more but he has not started posting at all yet and is still has no game content.

but this could just mean that he is really busy at the moment

.

or he is still watching us and whaiting for a townie to make a big mistake and jump on it. although if that was the case he would probably be all over me right now.

..

Awesome... we found Butterflys scum partner!! making excuses for Antonio NOT posting!

[jasonT1981]

STILL WAITING FOR ANTONIO TO POST.
We could always lynch Antonio first and wait for Butterfly to keep spilling stuff.

Part of me was thinknig the same,

Nacho, what do you mean 'selective hearing is interesting?'

[jasonT1981]

Cuetlachtli is becoming more town to me as he posts...

I do argee, time for Antonio to be replaced!

[jasonT1981]

I agree with this hammer, I doubt much more would have come out today, with the deadline so close I think some people would have liked to ride it out as long as they could.

Enough was enough, and BF was on borrowed time.

Butterfly, who are your scum partners?

[jasonT1981]

This surprises me given DP was called out by a few on day 1 as possible scum.

[jasonT1981]

I never said Butterfly wasn't scummy.

I said Butterfly was an easy target. Why? Because he's a VI type character. Because he doesn't

even have enough onsite posts to be a goon

.

Bold + Underlined contridict this

@0x: Where did I say Butterfly was scummy, again?

and this

Butterfly is a null read. Why? Because he hasn't been on the site very long, because his logic doesn't make that much sense to me.

Bold and blue is interesting given the flip.... why spifically GOON? Why not just mafia, or scum? you make the role spacific to goon.

[jasonT1981]

Yes, I'd like to see the quotes too.

Also, why did you quote jason's massive (and misguided) post instead of quoting me:

Regarding Butters, he was really non-committal, only coming out with a null-tell after repeated questions.

In what way was in misguided... I was pointing something out that was interesting against Nacho and his refusal to take a stance on day 1. As well as calling the goon flip. I don't call that misuided.

[jasonT1981]

Why bring up the old scum-claim thing? I thought we'd settled that.

Anyone else as concerned about this statement as I am?

[jasonT1981]

my nets been out for most of the past few days, not sure why but a lot in the area were having outages, catch up coming soon.

[jasonT1981]

bloody hell, all these text walls are making it hard to catch up. Right now my top 3 suspects would be Ox, Ex and Nacho.. Part of me thinks the Ox/Ex arguing is being used to distance each other if they are both scum.

[jasonT1981]

Nacho still is my number one suspect... however if he is not scum... Ox/Ex are the pairing. I would put anything on it

[jasonT1981]

lol yea, im re-reading day 1 today/tomorrow to see if I missed anything. hence why no vote.

[jasonT1981]

Even if they are exceptions, the point is that they do happen.

I don't know about you, but I play Mafia by the rules, not the exceptions.

Yes, yes they would. VI's not like The Butterfly at least put some effort toward playing the game. They actually care about the game and is willing to help find scum. I saw no motivation in The Butterfly's play to scum hunt, he has done almost nothing in this game. This is the worst kind of VI's in this game, so much that they are scummy.

...no. Just... no.

Yes, he did post in Mini 992 and Newbie 966 (You're hosting that game, how could you not know?).

If only you realized what I was trying to say here...

If he was town, prehaps we could have analyzed his suspects (JasonT1981 and Antonio) and if we were lucky enough, build a case off them.

You would trust Butterfly's reads if he was town?:

You questioned me on if The Butterfly sounded like a veteren and I responded. That question sounds similar to talking about his grammar. If that is the case, how is my post off-topic while yours isn't?

You said:
Butterfly could be asneaky veteran mafia player.
I said: Does {Link} sound like a veteran to you?
You said: No, but grammar should be the least of his worries. I agree that he has got to improve on his game, but in Mafia, we should be more concerned about his play, not his grammer.

Chainsaw defenese is stronger then bussing because of this:

Chainsaw defense is a stronger tell when a mafia member isn't so far gone. It was apparent that he wasn't going to improve (thus, he wasn't going to survive long), so why would I incriminate myself just to save him for one more day?

That doesn't mean we can't use that as evidence, so don't make excuses.

YOU VOTED SOMEONE BECAUSE OF THEIR AVATAR, MEANING YOU'RE OPPORTUNISTIC SCUM. AND DONT SAY THAT IT WAS THE RVS EITHER, OR OTHERWISE YOU'RE JUST MAKING EXCUSES.


For now,

Vote: Zac hrulez

Until he actually explains why I'm scum.

This makes me laugh so much... goes the entire post without mentioning Zach, then votes Zach... with the BS reason his vote will stay until Zach explains why he (Nacho) is scum. No actual scum hunting reason, but the reason of OMG you think I am scum... why? I'm voting you until you tell me.

Ironically, next post he unvotes citing Zach as town

Zach is town for reasons said earlier.
SSBF is town because A) he's seems to believe in the case he's posting, plus the reasons why Zach is town.
Jason is town because Butterfly attacked him.
You are town because I just got that feeling.
David I is town because the mod told us so.
.

Love how he declares everyone here town... how would he know everyone is town? well, that would be cause he isnt.

thats 5 town according to him, DP was confirmed non scum in the night, thats 6 town... really narrows the odds on scum eh?

Yea, Nacho is scum!

That is L-1 I believe.... Nacho, Claim time!

[jasonT1981]

bah,

vote: Nacho

I swore I typed that.. ah well, now its L-1

[jasonT1981]

oh, by DP confirmed non scum in the night, I meant DP Version 1. But going by all those Nacho declared as town... the math is not looking good on him right now.

[jasonT1981]

I also see no issue with Zachs hammer BTW.... Butterfly had many chances to try and help the town and failed on each occasion to provide anything helpful, the deadline was something like only 3 days away.

The hammer was justifiable.

[jasonT1981]

I had suspicion on you, in day 1.

[jasonT1981]

And why is Exilon town?

Because you and Jason are scummier.

Sound reasoning...... /sarcasm

But I want jason to hammer. Just because.

It would be my pleasure, but alas, my vote is already on you.

[jasonT1981]

hmmm, DP and Ox were both talked about as scum, both dead in the night.... interesting..

I am going to ask DP for a case on me also

Also....

well im going to mimic nacho and say jason or concerned

. I think it's safe to say one of the two is scum.

however, 39 mins before this post

Concerned: Post 83, defends butterfly,

but comes off as town while doing it. Various posts give me a town read for concerned.

And

Jason - TOWN read. Points out butterfly's role fishing. However, didn't vote on it. butterfly also "clears" him post 222.

And

jason/concrned both seem pro town and im leaning that way

Why the complete flip in less than an hour? one min we are both town reads, then all of a sudden flips to us as scum yet still has his vote on Cuetlachtli

weird... explain now please

[jasonT1981]

EBYOP: Now voting SSBF while saying me or Concerned, or Cuetlachtli are scum... wtf?

[jasonT1981]

Actually screw it

vote: DavidParker

Would like some answers please...

[jasonT1981]

David Parker, its time to claim. Come on down!

[jasonT1981]

Im here, sorry been a busy week... Parents wedding annaversery then had a lot to do when they went away. Then had to write my RP for my efed site that took up a lot of today.... not caught up fully, and wont until tomorrow... sorry, its 11.30pm here and I am only getting to check in now,

I am afriad I am not buying the cross kills on both night scanario... I think the claim is a lie.

What were your reasons for the kills you made?

Also...Millar.. WTF? Lazy ass scum

unvote
vote: Millar

[jasonT1981]

Ok, to explain my Millar vote...

Antonio did NOTHING to help the town, and now in his place Millar is lurkign and does not want to scum hunt. Doing exactly the same as Antonio...

I would be more than happy with his lynch today.

[jasonT1981]

What were your reasons for the kills you made?

You're kidding right?

As I said, I havent fully read

[jasonT1981]

What were your reasons for the kills you made?

You're kidding right?

OK yea, sorry both did seem to be scummy, if you are a vig then yes the kills are justified as the two were scummy... momentary brain fart there.

Still not 100% sure I buy the corss kills on both nights though, seems coincedental... Millar needs more posts ASAP.

[jasonT1981]

Hmmm, I notice Millar being very active in other games...

Oh Millar, come and play please

[jasonT1981]

Alright, been thinknig of it over night and while I am still scepticle about the corss kills, (sorry I fail to see 2 nights in a row the same being targetted especailly the two scummiest)

I do tend to think now Concerned is Vig, and was taking out who he felt was scum while a possible doctor protected both nights sucessfully against scum or a roleblocker got good. I feel the crosskills is the least likely of the options of what happened... Scum had no reason to target DP and Ox as they were the ones town would be looking at as scum, hence the Vig kill choices.

But blagh.... to much WIFOM im getting drunk.

[jasonT1981]

Actually, though I cant link here... Millar has been posting unlike VI in other games.

[jasonT1981]

Actually, scratch that...

[jasonT1981]

just a heads up to ya all, I am V/LA this weekend... got friends coming over to the house for drinks and then going out.. then world cup final and silverstone GP and NASCAR race....

will be bk monday morning

[jasonT1981]

It is now exactly ONE month since this game began, and in total the Antonio/Millar role has provided 9 posts... 8 of them worthless.. and only one sorta defending Butterfly from rolefishing accusations of myself while still happy for lynch.

/consfirms

How do you end up both tired and hyper?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKqgC_BR_pA

Where's your participation, Antonio? Why aren't you voting anyone? I want to hear a little more from you. (= ALOT ). I also noticed your game posts total amount to 3, 2 of which are on this game, the first one confirming and the next one this one. are an alt or never played on site?

Let's get some pressure going.

Unvote, Vote: Antonio

Cool yer horses, I woke up to 7 pages of game. My quote marks how far i got in reading up. (ninja reading @work)

I've never played on this site, and what's an "alt"?

Ah, also known as "smurf" where i come from -.-

Apologies for lack of participation. Drinking and world cup kept me busy during weekend.

Halfway through reading, let me just point out I found the "rolefishing" argument against butterfly to be pretty meritless. His reactions to the pressure, however, was highly sketchy.

While at this point I'm getting comfortable with Butterfly lynch, is there a big rush? More discussion couldn't hurt, and wouldn't mind finish reading.

I suck, I know. Promises upon promises, and nothing to show for it.

Hold my feet to the fire, cause I'm gonna rectify my failure of getting into this game.

HI!

Vote: David Parker

after reading 25 pages; i cba to post a full case just yet...but will do Day four

Because i really cant be bothered to troll thru stuff that i was relevant too until i actually see how it plays out. Idiot

no other post shows ability to, or attempts to actually scum hunt... in fact Millar is making excuses to coast into day 4... he comes in, says he wont post a case on DP because he cant be bothered after reading 25 pages... then contridicts himself saying he cant be bothered to troll through the game to find relevant stuff.....

then calls Zach an idiot for questioning him all while admiting he wont do anything to help the town.

Yea, im happy with his lynch.

[jasonT1981]

DP, I don't buy for one minute that Millar 'forgot' about the game given his comments saying he was gonna ride today out and not do anything until day 4.... He did and is still doing exactly what he said he would.

[jasonT1981]

alright, hammer him now. He is making no attempt to play this game and is taking it as one big joke..

Millar, if you even bothered to read more than one post, you will see Zach linked the game. You know, the one ABOVE the one you quoted from me....

Millar, do you buy concerned as a Vig or is it WIFOM created by scum to create confusion
who would be your top 2 suspects for scum
Is there anything you have seen or picked up upon, that we may have missed

A question to Cuetlachtli... why did you unvote Millar when you noticed he failed to hammer and was still at -1.....

Also, I honestly think the Mod should accept the hammer attempt.. but thats just me.

[jasonT1981]

then play the fucking game.... stop talking shite and fucking play.

And no, you said in your own words you would not be making cases

today

, so don't turn around and make a blatent misrep on me by saying I do not want you to make cases..... you said and I quote

Vote: David Parker

after reading 25 pages;

i cba to post a full case just yet...but will do Day four

And what has not playing with you got to do with anything? Also, I have asked questions to you, that you have Ignored to make another fluff post adding fuck all to the game.

Millar, do you buy concerned as a Vig or is it WIFOM created by scum to create confusion
who would be your top 2 suspects for scum
Is there anything you have seen or picked up upon, that we may have missed

Truth of the matter is, just like Antonio you have added NOTHING to this game... time to man up and help the town, or get hung.. both yours and Antonios blatent attempts to do anything to stall, and to not help the town have been noticed by everyone. that is not helping the town and is scummy as hell. You both have been

Answers, and cases on suspects please ASAP.

[jasonT1981]

So much for my bloody V/LA today grrrr

[jasonT1981]

WTF? Are you even going to try... yea, hes scum. town would not play this way. Cuet, why did you unvote?

heh heh

TO TOWN

to all of you that actually voted me without any reason reason as we got to PG 27, but didn't vote once for Cuetlachtli.

SHAME ON you....your a bad town.

YOUR a bad town... lol.. awesome

Okay...so this is me helpful....i replaced in and forgot about this game; so yea i deserve to be punished.

Vote: Millar

This will teach you a lesson; that you should scum hunt; but instead two town members will be Dead when Day 2 starts.

GOOD LUCK!

scummy appeal to emotion is scummy......

[jasonT1981]

tags got messed up there, mod can you fix please

Done.

[jasonT1981]

and you come to that conclusion how?

[jasonT1981]

Actually, bye now. Game needs people who will take it seriously and not play like a 5 year old child with ADD. Don't let the noose break your neck on the way out... oh wait.

[jasonT1981]

Alright.. Millar. Is there any actual reason you won't answer the questions put to you, that could help town and is there any actual reason you keep refusing to make cases on anyone?

[jasonT1981]

haha wow Millar has stormed out of both this and also his Newbie game in last 24 hours and is refusing to post in another game

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/search.p ... 3&sr=posts

child.

[jasonT1981]

I will shut the '

[poo-poo]

' up when you actually play the game and give good reasons why you should not be lynched, make a case on someone, and answer the questions put to you.

[jasonT1981]

Ya know, Im done with this. there is a good case to lynch Millar. He has done nothing to add to the game and is determined to be nothing but abusive instead of helping the town in any way. I'm not posting in response to anything else he says unless it is actual in game content, which both he and Antonio have made excuses for not contributing.

rudeness aside, there is a case for his lynch and I think it is the best way forward for us, he will not be any help willingly to the town and deserves to be lynched on both his, and Antonios behaviour.

Its L-1.. Millar, will you at least claim?

[jasonT1981]

Hmmer now, please.

[jasonT1981]

I agree with the hammer, 2 people have now been scummy and un-helpful to town. A replacement would only hold things up further and give this slot a chance to slink away.

[jasonT1981]

how do you feel about whats gone done since you last posted?

[jasonT1981]

This guy should be banned from Mafia, seeing his posts of rage in both CSLs game and this game, and looking at his posts in the past.. he should not be allowed to play again, and will be blacklisted from any games I am modding. But yea, if he flips town, I will be heavily pissed he will have effectivly screwed over the town with his refusal to play the game.

[jasonT1981]

Its now been a day, and still no flip

[jasonT1981]

Awesome... can we see night actions from everyone?

I was town doc, Night 1&2 protected Zach, night 3 protected Concerned

[jasonT1981]

Do not feed the troll .

No, feed the pig instead. Or else he might vig you.

lol awesome