Open 226: Big Love - Game over! Town wins!

[Xite91]

/confirm

[Xite91]

Vote Shattered Viewpoint[

I have a feeling we are going to have a little fun with wagons from him

[Xite91]

EBWOP

Vote:Shattered Veiwpoint

[Xite91]

XDDDDD

[Xite91]

oh boy this again?

[Xite91]

lawls, I like those tags

[Xite91]

Another game, don't ask it's ongoing

[Xite91]

sorry it was a slight annoyance moment.
and I forgot it wasn't this game

[Xite91]

wait what?
also, if you want to be lynched I can help!

Unvote, Vote Reverse Simplicity

[Xite91]

Oh lol makes sense, but still, you started it, its my policy to vote for self-voters

[Xite91]

Millar is always scum, haven't you heard?

Anyways,

Unvote

RS I believe you. Self-voting just pisses me off and I'm not gonna try to get you lynched outta anger. I'll leave that to the OMGUSers
Speaking of which, OMGUS is voting someone for voting you, saying screw you is not voting. It's just reacting poorly.
Either way, chihuahua strikes me as the most scummy for some reason so,

Vote: Chihuahua

[Xite91]

@Xite Why did you feel the need to vote RS after she self voted? You seem to be looking for any reason to vote somebody judging by your wording (i.e. I find you a bit scummy at the moment)

Oh lol makes sense, but still, you started it, its my policy to vote for self-voters

Millar is always scum, haven't you heard?

Anyways,

Unvote

RS I believe you.

Self-voting just pisses me off

and I'm not gonna try to get you lynched outta anger. I'll leave that to the OMGUSers
Speaking of which, OMGUS is voting someone for voting you, saying screw you is not voting. It's just reacting poorly.
Either way, chihuahua strikes me as the most scummy for some reason so,

Vote: Chihuahua

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLrpBLDWyCI

[Xite91]

Uhm, actually it depends....
Most of the time lying is bad for town, but sometimes it actually gets results.
I typically say, no lies are bad, hang em high, but there's always exceptions, you just gotta have the wisdom to know the exceptions.
That being said, shouldn't that go into mafia theory and not the game?
I'd really prefer questions like, who is scum? Why are they scum?
even how much experience do you have?
Meta yourself a bit would even work, but mafia theory is a bit of a stretch for starting conversations

[Xite91]

Not really familiar with you Shatered, so what's up with the caps lock words?

@Millar: Is that an attempt to say you're a lover?

Yup, Millar is my lover, but not on here in real life.
I'm taking care of him right now as he's drunk, but we'll be back to the game in a bit

FUCKIN ROLE FISH MUCH???

[Xite91]

Uhm.... that was sarcasm

[Xite91]

I was pointing out that Muthaa was krole-fishing and therefore is a good choice for at least a vote, at most a lynch

unvote, Vote Muthaa

[Xite91]

uhm how was that bad logic? it's page 5 what else do I have to go on?
Well, unless you're his scum buddy protecting him, which could be the case ^__^

[Xite91]

Millar is always a good policy lynch.
Also, he's always scum, didn't I say that before?

[Xite91]

MOD: Xite has only played with me in current games; so technically isn't the breaking the rules if she is bringing them up

Sorry, I have to defend my good name.

@Mod

I never brought up any games, I just said that millar is always scum. I never backed it up with anything because it was sarcasm.

good try with the mod-kill though, or at least I think that was your intention

More from me in a minute, I have to actually read the game

[Xite91]

EBWOP, the good try thing was meant for millar

Okay, it seems like 1 of these three have to be scum, but for some reason I can't see two of them as scum with any combination of them, don't ask why, just a feeling.

Don, Chi and Yabba

Next,

millar's chances of being scum are 1/6. do lovers commit suicide if their partner is lynched? cause that would mean lynching millar gives us a 33% chance of lynching scum. and considering that its millar, it doesn't sound like a bad idea. that's one to think on.

I actually really like this line of reasoning, but I just caaaaaan't lynch my luver. Cuz with him saying it so much, it must be true right?
By the way Millar, I just ISO'd you and youre definitely active lurking. That calls for suspicion.

Next, I would like to point out zero

@Zero

By that logic Xite would be a better choice.

How would I be a better choice? ISO me and you'll see that I am adding things, I'm just not pushing because I'm still reading people.
I'd say that yes, shattered could be it, but millar is doing just the same. He's got like 5 posts, and in half of them or so he's trying to call me his lover.

[Xite91]

I did ISO you and at the time I saw less content over more posts. That's why I said it. That being said, you've stepped up your content and posting a bit so you're clear as far as I'm concerned.

Infact, ISOing some other people has been quite revealing: Sanxion, Shattered, RS, Muthaa, youngminii, millar, and Sandman have all done the same. Pittbunny and Guthrie have only posted their confirmation and nothing else. I think we can safely assume that lurking here is a null tell (it's still not helpful in the least).

Because at first it was rvs, then sarcasm to get responses, then I gave my content... that's how I play?
I'll check that in a bit.

[Xite91]

Uhm, robo? Is it really a big deal?
Yes, he prolly should have known how lovers work.
No he didn't NEED to.
For some reason this seems like a mountains out of mole-hills thing.
Is it a scumtell? Maybe. I know scum have been caught on that kind of thing before.

[Xite91]

@Don's Lover lynch question: nulltell. I think Xite's actually the lone person to call it scummy, which is curious.

Wait what?
I don't recall saying that

MAFIA HAVE LOVERS WHO ARE TOWN DUMB DUMB!

That's it. He's a bigger noob than I am:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: millar13

Actually, I totally follow his logic. He just doesn't relay it well, I guess.
If we outed one pair of lovers at a time, wait to see if they get nk'd and if they don't we can assume one is the scum lover.
I am aware that things can go wrong with this plan, but I'm willing to try it
That being said, I'd like to out myself. I am one, but I'm going to not out my lover at the moment, they can out themself if they deem fit.
Other lovers - don't say a word until we see if this works out. I'm willing to be put on the chopping block for a possibly dumb idea.

Alright, I want Millar out.

VOTE: Millar

Btw, wha...?

Why don't we wait and see, I have a feeling I should trust him and I almost always follow my feelings.
Also, going solely off of that, you robo seem really scummy to me

[Xite91]

First, like I said thinking you're scummy is a gut feeling, nothing that should warrant more than an FoS, but i'll ISO you and if you so wish I can make a case based on what you've said. I'd just rather post my suspicions and when I know for sure I'll give you a case. But like I said, up to you
Second, I just do? I feel like I know what he's doing and so does he.
He may seem to not care about the game but honestly I'm relating him a lot to multiple different playstyles I've seen and I'm pretty sure I've got him figured out.

[Xite91]

Yeah, I tend to laugh when I see posts by millar too, but I do with a lot of other posts too.

And I know what you meant, but you asked why I thought you were scummy, I was offering my services as a todays shelock holmes (except minus the massive ammounts of drugs )

And yes pitt, that's part of my problem with robo.

[Xite91]

And that's why you're scummy. I say we move on a bit, find more things out, then decide who to lynch
also, didn't i say a bit about people that play like him? They tend to get information well, even if it's an odd way to do so. I think we should trust him for a little bit. At least until day 2 or three, if nothing then we can lynch him, k?

[Xite91]

Well, what do you want me to do about it? What do you suggest I do? What would you do in my situation?

Also, not being sarcastic on these questions, I would like an answer.

What do you mean, in your situation?
Explain plox

[Xite91]

Yeah, that really answers it.
What's different between me and you?
As far as I know atm we're all town looking to lynch scum.
Unless you're different, otherwise we're both in the same situation and we would want day 1 to go on a while so we can get more info first.
If I explained this right then everyone should know why I'm doing this

Unvote, Vote: Robocopter

[Xite91]

He's a total noob. His fate in this game is sealed.

Is it? how would you say that?
Honestly people, Millar is being a poor player, but please trust me and don't kill him?
It would be a huge favor to me

Also, Chihuahua, you seem the scummiest to me.

Unvote, Vote Chihuahua

[Xite91]

Millar, I can't believe you would crack under pressure like that!
And yes, the favor was for you to not kill millar because I don't want to die, thanks for asking, whoever it was.
I was going to say that he might be the treacherous lover, but honestly with me claiming either me or him is gonna get NK'd anyways, which means both of us are. If we don't, then you can lynch millar or me tomorrow because if he didn't die then mafia is probably not going to kill one of their own.
If it means catching scum, ill gladly sacrifice myself...

But honestly my top pick for scum is you robo, you seem to be going after the easy lynch and then jump off of the wagon when he "apologizes"
(he probably will play the same way though )

[Xite91]

I jumped off the wagon because I know Millar is a better player and if he is smart he will show himself as such. Be suspicious of me all you want, I don't think Millar is scum.

So Xite and Millar are lovers. Well that wasn't obvious . Most people hide and only come out when the town asks for lover claim.

True, but I want to go with a different tactic, one that involves a little more... fun

Xite isn't my lover lol

Why the sudden change in heart sweetie?
Remember the plan?

[Xite91]

Uhm

[quote="Xite"] Actually, I totally follow his logic. He just doesn't relay it well, I guess.

If we outed

one

pair of lovers at a time

, wait to see if they get nk'd and if they don't we can assume one is the scum lover.
I am aware that things can go wrong with this plan, but I'm willing to try it
That being said, I'd like to out myself. I am one, but I'm going to not out my lover at the moment, they can out themself if they deem fit.

Other lovers - don't say a word until we see if this works out.

I'm willing to be put on the chopping block for a possibly dumb idea.

Uhm... yeah?
So I think I told other lovers NOT to claim right ^ there
Now are you going to read the game? Just Wondering

[Xite91]

EBWOP

Uhm

Actually, I totally follow his logic. He just doesn't relay it well, I guess.
If we outed one pair of lovers at a time, wait to see if they get nk'd and if they don't we can assume one is the scum lover.
I am aware that things can go wrong with this plan, but I'm willing to try it
That being said, I'd like to out myself. I am one, but I'm going to not out my lover at the moment, they can out themself if they deem fit.
Other lovers - don't say a word until we see if this works out. I'm willing to be put on the chopping block for a possibly dumb idea.

Uhm... yeah?
So I think I told other lovers NOT to claim right ^ there
Now are you going to read the game? Just Wondering

[Xite91]

Goddam it triple post.
First one has bolded points, second one is pretty, not trying to fix it again

[Xite91]

1a)

Wait what?
I don't recall saying that

1b)

Uhm, robo? Is it really a big deal?
Yes, he prolly should have known how lovers work.
No he didn't NEED to.
For some reason this seems like a mountains out of mole-hills thing.
Is it a scumtell? Maybe. I know scum have been caught on that kind of thing before.

Which of those two stances is more likely? The fact that he's scummy for bringing the question up or not?

2)

Yeah, that really answers it.
What's different between me and you?
As far as I know atm we're all town looking to lynch scum.
Unless you're different, otherwise we're both in the same situation and we would want day 1 to go on a while so we can get more info first.
If I explained this right then everyone should know why I'm doing this
Unvote, Vote: Robocopter

I'm lost. Simply because he has a different (albeit misguided) opinion means he's scum?

3a)

@all: Xite already outed himself as Lover ages ago, by the way. Is strongly buddying with millar, curiously. millar, yes, has claimed Lover, but has also claimed just about every other role in the game, too. If he keeps going down the list, I'm going to have some serious issues.

I'm just going to treat millar as having never claimed. Much simpler. I think it's permissible at this point to

3b)

inquire if Xite is lovers with millar. I'm not sure though.

3c)

Thoughts on asking said question?

1)Yeah, I didn't recall saying that because I didn't.
If you read 1b. you'll see that I was saying that what ROBO was doing was a scumtell, not don.

2) Uhm, I think you need to read a few posts before every post you quote
He said if I were in his situation
I asked him how he was different in his situation than I am
(Aka, all of our situation as far as we know is that we are town hunting scum, therefore if his situation is different, he's scum trying to kill town)

3) http://www.theneweditor.com/uploads/ImpliedFacepalm.jpg

[Xite91]

Emmm, yes I am But it's a ridiculous plan which is flawed in one major way in that the scum know about the plan, therefore they know that if a pair of lovers come out, which don't include the scum lover, if they night kill at random anyone but the claimed lovers, then town merrily lynch a pair of townies and is no further forward and could do the same again the next night, leaving the town down 7 players before it even bothers to start trying to scum hunt. So, yes, it is entirely plausible either of you is scum trying to draw out a pair of lovers

Unless I'm a genius and no one else knows it?
Just lynch someone else k?
If nothing comes out of it I will gladly do a lynch on millar/me tomorrow

[Xite91]

@Sandman-338: Poor thought. millar's claimed and backtracked and backtracked again, but Xite claimed it seriously. I think it was a poor time to do it, but I believe it.

Xite has a point, your opinion and Xite's don't get along at all. My eye's on you.

And you believe there are townie motives behind it? The plan is so flawed. Both of their plans/strategies are.

I think that no more lovers should claim

Also, I'm pretty sure I said that a few times

[Xite91]

Wait, shattered, if I don't get to dictate things then why are you unvoting him?
Also, are you ever going to add anything on your own or are you just going to coast off of other people's points?
Why not push a case on one of them then?

My guess is that you may be scumbuddy with robo, possibly millar, but still figuring that one out

[Xite91]

Millar, I'm not pretending at all
We are lovers
It's all part of the plan, remember?

[Xite91]

Ok, believe the guy that has been changing his claims all game?
Good idea

[Xite91]

I am in part of the town

Uhm if you didn't notice, I said wait till tomorrow to kill me/you off. It's all part of the plan, remember?
I mean if you don't you can go back and read all of the little crumbs I've left for everyone else. I won't point them out until tomorrow if we're still alive though, coz that would ruin the plan

I was just pointing out that it's more likely that I'm telling the truth because of how much you've lied already., that's not getting defensive IMHO, but oh well.

[Xite91]

Oh, and

@Mod, I thought I was voting Robocopter?

[Xite91]

Actually, on an an ISO of myself, I realized I wasn't...

Unvote, Vote Robocopter

Well, now I am sorry mod

[Xite91]

They can but if the plan goes well, it won't do any good
If the plan goes well, then I won't be living past night two either way.

That's why I said wait to kill me, I'm as good as dead anyways

yabba, 1) uhm, that's what we're supposed to do?
2) huh?
3) Okay, I am lovers with millar?

[Xite91]

Uhm, chihuahua why do you see an omgus coming exactly?

[Xite91]

Tbh....i think tha you should lynch me today....and when Xite doesn't die

you will know he is lying

that is sacrafice i will happily take...il even hammer myself to prove the point

Ok, so basically what I'm getting is that this whole Xite claim as lover with Millar is probably true... and I would bet alot that Millar is the treacherous lover too, since I was expecting that from his previous actions. This whole thing makes it more likely, and it could be that Millar is denying his lovership with Xite and voting them as a defense against a forced suicide from a Xite lynch.... .

That last part... Wha?

[Xite91]

Damn, EBWOP
I meant to add this

1) Not if it's not scummy. Why did you think robo squawking about the question was scummy?

TBH i have no idea what question you're talking about
I was getting on Robo for the trying to force a policy lynch.
Then suddenly back off of said lynch didn't make me want to take it off...
Although I found out that I had taken my vote off... oops...
but now that's fixed

[Xite91]

Woo-hoo tripple post >:(

Oh, and millar offering to self-lynch is super scummy.
Please just follow with me on this, I promise it's a good idea. Do not lynch Millar or me today
You guys can do that tomorrow if you so wish, also uh pitt, I was breadcrumming it for a while ISTR
Just sayin

[Xite91]

Okay, don't wait till tomorrow, that works too.
Just foil the plan... that's awesome, although I was planning on getting some scum out of it, with you we won't catch any scum

[Xite91]

Wacka, what? IMO, this is what you just said "Hey mod, can you put me on the leading bandwagon? I know it's gonna be one of these two"
The excuse you gave was a flimsy one too, we're acting like children so one of us is obviously scum? Did I read that right?
I was trying to get a Robo lynch. In fact, I was the one that tried discussing Robo IIRC, but too many people were thinking "oh, he's attacking millar, who seems like scum, so he's gotta be town!"
And yeah it's a good trade, so listen to me and maybe we can get that trade worked out. I have a plan, just follow my lead, k?

[Xite91]

Look, Xite, I'm not too tempted to trust you and your "plan" when you currently have a 50% chance of being a liar/scum. How do I know that your plan doesn't benefit scum in some way?

Because if it benefited scum I would tell you what it is, not telling makes it valid. I will tell you when the purpose is fulfilled if you just trust me until then.

Let me explain my request thing better.
In another forum I'm at, the GM's allow this kind of thing due to lack of activity, so for instance, I could PM him this instruction, and then take it back, or alter it the next time I log on.
Ex//: I would be equally happy lynching Millar (For his horrible anti town play) or Xite (For his childish actions, and obvious relation to Millar, plus the HUGE amount of appeal to emotion with the whole "plan" thing). So why shouldn't (While I am away with life during the day) be able to have the mod choose my actions for me.

At Robo, yes technically this is a laziness thing, nothing more really, but let's say that you guys all decide that we will lynch Xite for today, and you need one more vote; but im out, doing life stuff. Why cant the mod just add mine on from Millar in this event?

That is what I was meaning about the whole request thing.

OOOOOOOOOH!!!!!! So what you're saying is that you want to vote for the biggest wagon.

unvote vote Xite

Funny considering your last two posts and, you know, the lack of reasoning.

Even though I'm still considered a suspect, Xite and millar overshadow me as portenial scum. Good job for noticing that, though. But I'm not saying I'm scum, but the "Chihuahua is scum" theory is still out there.

Heh?

vote: millar

your logic is fuzzy. xite could just be playin around. kind of like you were. oh well.

Or maybe this plan I speak of is real and therefore you should just trust me and give me a chance to see if it works?

Please, I won't even oppose to a lynch on me if my plan goes horribly wrong, but I don't think it will.
Leave me and Millar for later.
Robo would still be a good lynch.
I'm can't say I hate the chichi idea either, except that I'd prefer to wait on him for a bit, he really just seems like noob, not sure if noobtown or noobscum yet, just leaning toward scum a slight bit more

[Xite91]

Guys, trust me it's an amazing plan, one that makes everything better on town. If you want me to tell you it, then I will but then it won't work.
Honestly though, lynching me today would just ruin the whole idea. Like I said, lynch me later if you want, but today look and see that I am actively trying to scumhunt, but you guys are too focused on me trying to tell you guys to trust me.

Next, Gut feeling that Don is scum, some posts warrant this, but you all would just say, oh it's a flimsy case because I'm under scrutiny and therefore all my arguments are invalid (as I've seen on this site)

Also, if you're fairly certain you've got me as scum then why don't you move on to see who else is, lynch them today, then if I was lying get me later?I mean, there isn't only one scum in this game. Hell, the cop can even investigate me tonight if they want to know so bad if I'm scum or not. Just please wait to lynch me till I see if this works.

Next, Hey guys sorry about this but I just spent about 12 hours at the hospital, and then about 9 hours sleeping because of medicine and lack of sleep. Now I'm on fun medication that makes me super loopy so I'm going to try to play the game but I have to warn everyone how bad that could be. That being said, I lack all energy to scumhunt at the moment, so I'll save you guys the trouble unless I feel it necessary to point out something.
Also I apologize if none of this makes sense, I blame it on the drugs

[Xite91]

If I tell you, it wont work. Also Robo, I really believe that you're scum so I'll wait for a more townie player to ask and then I'll tell

[Xite91]

Nope, I just want a townie player to ask me.
Lemme explain
If I say that it won't work if scum know how it works, then scum will push for me to say what it is because this benefits them greatly.
If town pushes for it, then it's still beneficial for scum, but I'm more apt to want to help them even if them asking is dumb.

You seem scummy to me, therefore you pushing me to do so will not 1)pressure me into it 2) makes me not want to more

[Xite91]

EBWOP

the second one is supposed to say Will not make me want to more.

[Xite91]

did you read my post after that?
I honestly don't want to say it because then it won't work.
Please give me until tomorrow at least? I promise I'll tell you then, and if not, this post right here is perfect to make a case on me with.
Also, SV you're not so townie yourself which is why there isn't so much a difference between the two of you. Just sayin.
But eh I now that I think about (AKA reread the game a bit) I remember this was the game that I didn't get much of a town read on anyone, so, what am I at for votes?
I guess the best way to do this is if I get at L-1 i'll tell you, because then I know for sure there are at least a few townies for me telling what the plan is.

[Xite91]

Ok, so on a recount, I'm at L-2, so I'll tell you my plan if I get 1 more vote, but eh whatever

[Xite91]

Haha, of course you would. Lynching a townie always makes scum happy

[Xite91]

considering lovers are townies? why is that a contradiction, unless you're implying I'm the treacherous lover

[Xite91]

Unless they were millar and asking to be lynched.
Also, they can be townies, just not Vanilla townies.

[Xite91]

ANyways that's more of just a term discussion and not really important to the game.

I'm gonna be out for the day, so try to wait to lynch me if you must lynch me at all. I should be back in somewhere between 8-12 hours, that's not too long a wait for you is it Robo?

[Xite91]

I have, here it is.
I have a plan that will not work if said out loud.
I will tell you it if you absolutely must know
But I will not do it before L-1.
I'm just saying this because it is very possible that half of my wagon is scum (considering basic math)
And considering the way the other votes were placed, the other half could very well just be misguided town.
Because of this, I will wait to tell until I'm at L-1 because then it will pretty much be necessary

[Xite91]

Nope, I'm back, and pitt's vote is already on me, i'm still at L-2

[Xite91]

I lol'd

[Xite91]

Okay, I guess I'm telling my plan.
I am VT.
Here were my thoughts;
Millar is a scummy player
I am only able to get one kill if nk'd (aka no suicide involved in my death)
If scum take a shot in the dark at a townie, they could be a lover and bam, scum get 2 kills in a night.
If they shoot at me, then that's only one kill
If millar is scum, they're obviously not gonna kill him, but they will also know that I am not his lover = might try to kill me in the off chance I am a lover
The whole idea was to save town from losing 2 town in a night from 1

So there you have it.
And now it will never work

That being said, Millar who is your lover then?

[Xite91]

because hes hinting so y not just say it?

[Xite91]

Uhm you were hinting weren't you?
And I told you my plan and my role, so what's the problem?
My lie was truly meant to help town, and it didn't cause any sort of mis-lynch.
I don't see why you're reacting so poorly millar.
Maybe because you were the bait?

[Xite91]

Or read the game first so that you can see what's going on.
That's funny tho millar, mindless hammer so that A) one less town for scum (which I am now pretty sure you are) to deal with B)we can lynch you tomorrow on the mindless hammer idea

[Xite91]

First, that was me pointing things out in

your

perspective, sorry if i didn't make that clear
second, is your vote already on me? Yes
So it's no longer up to you if I die. Yes I might, but it's not necessarily true
Also, I like how you diverted the situation completely so you didn't have to answer to that

[Xite91]

not saying they are, and if one of them quick-hammers then I do think people should put suspicion on them tomorrow, if it were someone else in my situation, I would do that for them, especially if they flipped town (and I swear to you now that there's no lies in my last claim, not that I'm expecting you to believe me because, hey, its mafia)
But yeah, I'm going to reread, Robo is still my main choice as scum, especially if millar flips scum. Either of them would be a good lynch to me today. This is mostly because their back and forth seems a lot like distancing, especially when robo calls it off when millar "promises to be a better player"

[Xite91]

Actually Don, chi has been on my scumlist for a while, but if you didn't notice, I was... preoccupied.
Anyways, here's how I would like the lynches to go, today - Robo, this is not omgus, but the more he pushes his case on me, the scummier he looks. That nice little "kill Xite while I'm gone plz? kthnxbai" was a nice touch. tomorrow - Chi, he's been riding off everyone else a lot as don said, but I also want go a bit to consider him in lylo... he's not quite clear with how he speaks and I usually can't understand what he's going on about. Also, he seems like either scum riding on town cases or really easily swayed town, again bad in lylo. Of course I would still like to give him a chance to learn a bit before he gets that lynch, which is why if he keeps doing it tomorrow, then a lynch, then day 3 I would like millar lynched, by that time I am convinced that if he is still alive he is not town. And, I mean, not to mention the awesome case on him too.

[Xite91]

Wait let me point out your logic to you smash...

You think that me/millar should be taken care of on the premise that you want to know who's telling the truth?
You do realize that now that I really claimed, we could be telling the truth and both of us could be town?
And think about it, me lying could have been great for the town if you guys had just listened to me.
But

now

my plan is broken? My plan works under the premise that I'm a vt, just sayin. so why would you think I'm scum if you think my plan could have worked?

Also, just putting this out there, Millar did nominate himself to be lynched in order to prove all the stuff youre talking about smash.
Although, Robo is still a scummier player to me and my vote will stay on him for the rest of the day no matter the outcome

[Xite91]

So what I got from your (Xite's) plan is you claimed to be a lover to distract the mafia to kill you at night so they didn't get a double kill. I get that, although that's not nearly the grand plan that you were making it out to be before, so I still don't really know if you just made that up on the spot. And plus, why do you want to know who Millar's lover is? It doesn't do us any good to know who it is right now.

And come on chihuahua, if you would have hammered, why not put him at L-1? That doesn't make any sense.

I also did it because if millar is just playing VI, they might have saved us the trouble of wasting a lynch on him because he might give them a double kill if we in fact were lovers, with that being said, I know I was more likely, but that would have been better than a double kill.

I said it had faults, but I also said I was willing to take the fall for those faults. I stick to my beliefs probably a bit too much and I was sure this would be the best way for me to help town, but alas it backfired.

I only asked because he seemed so eager to tell. I do the same thing with role bread-crumbing. I'm not saying he has to, just that if he feels he needs to then he should. If he feels he doesn't, then why the hell give hints?

ebwop: I forgot that there was a page 20 in my previous post =p

then day 3 I would like millar lynched, by that time I am convinced that if he is still alive he is not town.

A little WiFoM-y, eh? And besides, in this game we can't use that kind of stuff because of the treacherous lover.

And also, Xite, even though your "plan" was protown, I'm not sure if I can trust you now even more than before. Now we know for sure that you are a liar (at least about your role) so I tend to take anything you say now with a few grains of salt. That being said, I still like a Xite lynch, just based on the fact that I personally always lynch liars no matter what their lie was.

Yes, WIFOM, but within a good reason. but do you mean because that townie might be tied to the treacherous lover? Then didn't millar even say that he'd take the fall for that?
I mean come on, you're saying we cant use that because he might be the poor lover that is in love with scum? Is that a reason not to lynch him?

Uhm, you're supposed to take everything everyone says here wit ha few grains of salt.
You do realize that there have been mafia theory discussions on lies in games by town all the time, right? The conclusion? Lies can be beneficial if done right. Mine was well planned, poorly executed, so it didn't do much but confuse everyone, so I apologize.

[Xite91]

Don, I think I already did, that being my point as to why we wait a day to lynch chi

[Xite91]

Now on to scum hunting (If you can even call it that right now).
Xite, I agree with a person who posted that your plan felt "Made up" on the spot. that plan DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
Think of it, why would the mafia kill you again? YOU LOOK LIKE MAFIA.
Whenever I play as town, I try to be two steps ahead.
Whenever I play as mafia, I try to be THREE steps ahead.

*Next little bit is purely a "What I would do" scenario*

If a townie is showing scummy behaviour, I go for them in the DAY phase, to sway the town, and look like a townie.
If a townie is being REALLY townie, or fairly scummy, then I DO NOT kill them in night phase.
Why? becuase then the town KNOWS what the mafia will do.

Lets say you ARE a lover, why would I kill you, if your whole plan revolves around the town NOT killing you NOW, so they can see your plan and kill you LATER.
That is like giving the mafia insight into the future actions of the town. In this case, making day 2 a complete cake walk.

*Scenario Over*

I really do not like your play right now, with your huge amount of posts, many EBWOP (which shows nervousness).
My vote stays on you untill we can show someone else is scummier.

First point to dispute, EBWOPs (cuz it's a quick one)
I did it five times out of 74 posts. Lets assume I don't with this one. that's a 5/75 ratio or 1/15 that's not really a lot.
Also, most of the time, unless I'm fixing something specifically in my post, EBWOPS are used by me more to post response to someone that posted a long post before me that I'm not going to respond when I already did a wall post. I'm not sure how that shows nervousness.

Next, I figured they might try a kill on me if I got the town to "trust" me and my plan.
And yeah I realized that afterwards. So I hoped scum didn't catch it and started sayin later on.
Like I said, it was a good plan but poorly executed

[Xite91]

We've beeno over this I think and I think I said, not if done right. Thing is I didn't do all that well with it.

[Xite91]

Sorry guys, meds are making it hard to focus on the games, saving you guys some trouble

Mod, please find me a replacement