Mini 1001 - Guys, Pt. 2 [adult] Mafia (GAME OVER!)

[Ythill]

FTR, AniX would have been a great GF of the ass-rape mafia.

VOTE: Nobody Special for reaction instead of explanation.

[Ythill]

I prefered to call you that than "Inflatable Penis". It is a fould word.

Maybe you should try... i don't know... his name?

The NS wagon is pure win.

[Ythill]

Thankfully you're only sitting on one of them.

[Ythill]

@NS:

Vote me and unvote in your next post if you are post-restricted.

[Ythill]

Heh, all of page 2 ninja'd me. I'd have looked smarter otherwise.

@Mafuyu:

How could it possibly be too early for figuring out what's going on here?

[Ythill]

NS is either town or faking the restriction, so we should give him some leeway.

Gut and rope. Lots of rope.

This guy is a genius, and obv-town. Stop pressuring him. More votes for that dirty rapist, Zaz, please.

UNVOTE: Nobody Special
VOTE: ZazieR

[Ythill]

@Amished:

I didn't say he was faking. I said he was

either town or faking

. If he's faking, it'll become obvious.

Damnit Ythan, I can't get a post up before you trigger the ninja-proofing. Anyway... hi. Vote Zaz please. Best D1 lynch ever.

[Ythill]

At the same time, Ythill should know better than to just blatantly BW a subpar reason like that. I haven't played with him, but his join date and record give me the feeling that he's a well-known player by now.

I'm more subtle as scum. Just sayin. And it's not a subpar reason just because you don't understand it yet. It's a kickass reason, actually. Go read the rules again.

[Ythill]

I don't random vote with this account. Ever.

[Ythill]

Never ever?

x10

[Ythill]

NS will be posting in 5... 4... 3... 2... 1...

[Ythill]

Damn I'm good.

Can we hang Zazie yet? I'd really love to add "lynched lurker scum before he posted" to my mafia resume.

[Ythill]

NS read the rules. Apparently Ythan hasn't.

[Ythill]

How come everyone is flirting with me. I'm creepier than you think.

I didn't bandwagon hop. I voted NS based on his odd play, which was then explained by his post restriction. Then I voted Zazie for being scum.

@MS:

You're funny.

[Ythill]

@Ythan:

Vague is anti-scum in this case.

[Ythill]

You know I can't just take your word for it.

Okay well then go read the rules again. Oh wait... I already said that.

@NS:

Let me translate for my co-Yth. He wants to know who you were accusing of lying.

[Ythill]

@UG:

You've been onsite since 2003 and you can't figure out what I'm talking about? I'll explain later. Promise.

[Ythill]

Whooooops. EBWOP UG == UT.

[Ythill]

Ythan is prob-town. Amished would be too, except his buddying is making me uncomfortable.

IP does look a little scummy, mainly for citing fear of suspicion as reasoning.

[Ythill]

I agree that ?? is probably somehow relevant, but I'm not sure how.

I should probably come clean here. I'm not 100% sure Zazie is scum. I think he's better than random and I may be interested in lynching him today but, in reality, I'm not interested in a quicklynch.

[Ythill]

Why, did you get some on your good sofa?

[Ythill]

Aw... c'mon. That pun was worth a visit. But now you've guilted a serious response out of me...

I do not intend to explain any more than I have. The reason I made my "coming clean" post was that, in rereading people's reactions, I realized that my exuberence may have given the impression that I have 100% info on Zazie's alignment and I just wanted to be clear that I don't. That's all.

[Ythill]

Here's the quote:

(not to mention even if I were to vote for someone who has not posted, those that firmly think I am scum right now will just say I'm bussing, so nyeh)

G'nite pervs.

[Ythill]

I think he would, but I don't see how that's relevant unless you're scum.

@Ythan: All one-way buddying so far. Ythill is definitely the catcher to my pitcher... >_>

QFT. I am buddying MS and will add Ythan to the list now that I see him as prob-town.

[Ythill]

Reck made that mistake in the first marathon version of this game. I doubt he'd do it again, especially with Dram and time on his side.

[Ythill]

Name claim != roleclaim.

I don't see how either will help here. Like I said, I doubt Reck made the same mistake twice.

[Ythill]

I like pasta.

I think I understand what NS is getting at here.

[Ythill]

I can't handle more than 13".

@MS:

I think his PR (or role in general) has something to do with the identities of our roles.

@BC:

Overreact much? I didn't unvote, I just realized that my

woot let's lynch Zazie before he posts

might have been misleading. I still think he's better than random and, so far, the best candidate for our D1 lynch.

[Ythill]

I'm sorry you're pussy is so dry.

In my ass. Also, you're funny with that whole make-an-accusation-and-then-call-someone-defensive-for-posting-a-defense tactic that you used.

Random votes.... still.... really?

QFT.

I just had a revelation

I don't suppose you'll share.

@Exilon:

I'd like to know what's keeping you. You're usually spammier than this.

[Ythill]

Other than Zazie, you mean?

[Ythill]

Yay! Post numbers!

Ythan can feel my pain here. This is my second game with ZazieR and I have still never seen a game post from him. What's up with that?

How exactly is UT lurking, MS. Did you see him checking the thread or something?

[Ythill]

@Yth:

He was in kinmaker. The infamous missing recruiter that DGB capitalized on.

@MS:

He's already posted twice today. We can't expect everyone to be as spammy as you, Ythan, and myself. Actually, I feel kinda bad for the people trying to keep up with us.

[Ythill]

@MS:

I don't think UT is scum. Iso him.

Damn, I just tried making a list of alignments and this game is still very confusing. Between the PRs, night start hints, inside jokes, and pure silliness it's hard to get reads at all. What follows is mainly guesswork, though I'm pretty solid on a couple of my town reads.

Scum

Exilon: uncharacteristic lurking
Mafu: too fluffy, even for this game
Zaz: before he even posts, that's funny

Town

MS
NS
UT
Ythan

Null

Amished: tells both ways
BC: need more content, but leaning town
IP: very lightly leaning scum but I really have no clue

We need a serious wagon. Therefore...

UNVOTE: ZazieR
VOTE: Mafuyu

[Ythill]

@Yth:

Yes. His game posts as town tend to be longer and more in-depth. Plus his frequency has fallen off. Then again, he's been gone from GD too, so I guess we'll see what he says when he gets back from lurky-land.

[Ythill]

Classic Mafia (and goddamn it people, don't go spreading my alt all over the internet). Plus a couple of marathon games but those are irrelevant.

[Ythill]

Clarity. Sweet. Amished is scum. IP and BC are prob-town. Just sayin.

Anyone who wants to lynch The Mods should be cock-slapped (by BC, so it will hurt more). Now, some replies...

Ythill called NS obvtown and blatantly sheeped the Zazie vote?

To clarify, I never called

N

S obv-town. NS is prob-town because I've never seen scum with a post restriction.

M

S is obv-town because... read the rules again. Same reason I voted Zaz.

It seems to me that the best way to know who is town and who isn't is to be scum

I

know

very little. Most of my reads are based on things I

believe

. I understand why some of them are baffling: it's because there are undercurrents in this game based on the Guys Part 2 thread in GD. People have been dropping hints all over the place and I've formed some opinions based on them.

[Ythill]

We don't know. Hence the prob part of prob-town.

[Ythill]

I am not interested in lynching anyone other than players in this game. Period.

So would it be a good idea for Mafuyu to read the GD thread in full?

Only if you're town.

Oh look, Ythan cannot write more than a paragraph each time

Look at his title. And stop acting as if brevity is a scumtell without a meta cross-reference.

Why is Amished scum?

I'll tell you in a little while.

UNVOTE: Mafuyu
VOTE: Exilon
Yth alliance!

[Ythill]

Well, it's quite a large number of pages, so Mafuyu didn't really want to spend July 4th weekend reading guytalk unless it was absolutely necessary.

I wouldn't call it necesarry. I'm fine with you not reading it, but it would help you understand some of the subtext.

@Exi:

Lynching scum is the way to go.

[Ythill]

Ythan, let him be careful. If he actually has a restriction, breaking it could hurt the town.

[Ythill]

@Yth

Seconded. Only Yth and I can use that abbreviation to refer to each other. The rest of you should add at least one more letter.

I just finished the most bastardly marathon game of all time and am really in no condition to think clearly, so I'm just stopping in to say goodnight. NS's flavor identity is obv, but I don't think we should be guessing these things outloud unless we're massclaiming them. I still see no benefit to doing that.

[Ythill]

Hey, I thought you liked penis.

@Ami:

Oh, that makes sense.

[Ythill]

My blocs have won more games than they've lost, Exilon. But I'm not even talking about a bloc here. I'm voting you because you're on my scum list and another reason that will remain private for a little longer. The "Yth alliance" comment was me being goofy, though I do have a town read on him.

[Ythill]

Are you abusing our meta to try looking town? Why would you do that if you were actually town?

[Ythill]

PS: Yeah I caught your joke but don't see another reason for your vote. Hence me giving you grief.

[Ythill]

Okay. Good point. I retract the "manipulating me" accusation but my vote is staying put for the same reasons I originally placed it.

[Ythill]

@Maf:

You probably don't understand the subtext. History lesson: in the game I linked earlier, I nearly avoided mislynching Exilon in the 11th hour because he attempted a "crap trap" to determine whether or not I was scum. Also, Ex understands that the best way to manipulate me is to inflate my ego, which he is clearly not doing here. There's some WIFOM in there, but I still feel that his mention of "crap trap" was not an attempt at manipulation, due to his belief that it would be an inefficient method of doing so.

[Ythill]

@MS:

Have you fully considered the rope? Because I have and I don't see how it proves anything. I'm not sure you want to get tied to the idea (pun intended).

@Exi:

I'd like you to explain your trap. Now or later is fine. Will you?

[Ythill]

Well, it's better than some of the things you could be filled with.

[Ythill]

Yay for Zazie replacement!

We need more activity from some of our quieter players. Things are becoming clearer, but I'd like to see people posting more.

[Ythill]

Sweet. This game just broke open. There are two scum among these three players: Amished, Mafuyu, and BC.

UNVOTE: Exilon
VOTE: Amished

@Exi:

Thanks for your patience. The secret secondary reason for my vote on you was to test Amished's reactions.

When pressure changed from Zaz to Maf and Exi, Amished switched his vote from Zaz to the other popular suspect, IP. Ami's reasoning was overreaching, but that's beside the point. My main problem with it was that 3/4 of the reasons behind it were things that had happened previously without inspiring a vote change. So we have Ami, who has absolutely no reason to be voting Zaz, happy to be doing so while another player looks increasingly scummy to him, but then suddenly interested in changing his vote after BC voted Mafuyu, either to build an alternative to the Maf wagon or to split votes with BC. Another option in my mind was that it was in response to the meta-push against Exilon, but judging from Ami/BC reactions to that development, I'm ruling that one out.

More Amished votes please.

[Ythill]

I'm not interested in what you said. I'm interested in what you did, which was keep your vote on someone you have no reason to suspect while holding back a three-point case on another target. That's scummy x2 regardless of who your buddies are. The strategically timed hop was just icing on the cake.

Welcome to the game, DT.

[Ythill]

Sexy.

@Ythill, what's your read on Ex? Do you think that Amished voted IP to deflect the my vote on Mafuya, and have me vote IP as well?

Meta read on Ex is questionable, but he may have actually been busy. He seems to be lurking again though. I'm MotR on him but he's on the back burner for now. Ami's timing seems more likely inspired by the Maf wagon, but I don't really put too much stake in buddy relations on D1. Both you and Maf both did other questionable stuff that I haven't gotten into yet, hence my reads.

I'm leaving for the fireworks show. Will probably check in again later tonight. No early roleclaims please.

[Ythill]

Don't be silly. MS is so obv-town he puts a tingle in my dangle. If there's scum on the wagon, it's one of the other two.

[Ythill]

And how quickly my wagon built on your weak case doesn't create any doubt for you?

The case isn't weak.

You're 3-5 pages into a mini and you have one person you view as absolute-scum. How would you find any partners after so little discussion?

I don't like rhetorical questions. Are you telling us that you withheld your IP vote because you wanted to find his buddies?

[Ythill]

@Ami:

Alright. What information did you get that told you who his buddies are? And who are they?

[Ythill]

@Ythan:

#291 is the meat of the recent developments you missed. Plus there's the buddying in the early game.

@Ami:

That's an incredible circle of crap. First you put forth that your vote timing was based on overwhelming evidence. When that is demonstrated to be false, you claim that it was because you were holding back, waiting for answers. But you moved your vote even though you don't have those answers. Two strikes. You want to try another explanation? Do you realize that multiple bad explanations make you look really scummy?

@NS & IP:

You guys are a quicker date than Reck on a booty call. WTF?

[Ythill]

Right, but I didn't and neither did MS. If you don't think we're scum and you don't have anyplace better to put your vote, why remove pressure from someone who's under the microscope?

Also, please stop hiding behind your restriction. Name your suspects and place your vote on one of them please.

[Ythill]

@Exilon:

I don't see anything scummy in those responses you quoted. Other than IoA and the incredibly subjective descriptor "a little bah," what you really haven't said anything. And I disagree wholeheartedly with your conlusions. Except the one where you're just agreeing with what I said, of course. It looks like you're trying too hard.

[Ythill]

Yet his vote does not come from anything he claimed he'd be doing.

Can you prove he didn't vote you based on masturbation.

Seriously though, it still just seems like you're pointing to null character traits and calling them scummy. I'm don't know that I find what you're doing suspicious, just pointless. Hell, the quote of IP that you posted sounds decicively townie to me. He saw something he found suspicious, said what it was, and then dropped a vote on you. The fact that he cracked a joke means nothing in a game full of silly banter.

[Ythill]

Fuck my grammar and typing suck after I've been up all night with no coffee. Sorry.

[Ythill]

@Ami:

Yeah, I got that but then you switched your vote before getting that information. Explain please? I'm more interested in what you did than in what you said.

@Exi:

Okay, whatever. I understand your reasoning, I just don't agree with it, which is fine.

[Ythill]

@Ani:

Yeah, I guess that makes sense, thanks for your answer. I still believe that people are going to need to be up your butt with a magnifying glass if/whan Mafuyu flips scum, but without that evidence, I'll accept your reasons.

You said something about I switched my vote when there was more IP support for scum; when was this?

Ythan jabbed him in #s 60, 65, & 75; I called him suspicious in #111. I may have been remembering suspicion of him as more prevelant than it actually was, due to the number of attacks that you made against him yourself.

unvote

I'll try to do some rereading tonight and get my vote back up after I have done so.

[Ythill]

@Ami:

To answer your question I'm going to quote the case and insert my comments in colored text.

To clarify: Mafuyu seems pretty newbie. The Yth's, me, you (BC), Zazie and NS are all not very easy targets. IP-scum in this situation would be nervous about this and go after an easy mislynch (mafuyu does seem to fit the bill).

This theory is predicated on the assumption that IP is scum because him honestly suspecting Maf is just as likley. Maf's account is new but screams alt. She doesn't seem to be lynchbait based on anything other than her join date, and she's done a few legitimately scummy things. Meanwhile, Exilon is almost as new, familliar to IP as lynchbait, and dealing with a language barrier. If IP was going for an easy lynch, he'd be on Exilon.

To note: In ISO 2, he challenges Ythill's town read of NS (like he knows Ythill is town) and then challenges his pro-townieness in the same paragraph.

The challenge to my reads sounded legitimate to me, and it was alignment-neutral. Then he went on to wonder about my seemingly frivolous Zazie vote, which he was right to question. I like that he seems to have already gone through the WIFOM of the suspicion in his head and is perplexed by why I would take an action that, on its face, seems classically anti-town.

In the same post, he attacks Mafuyu for something that isn't a scumtell (never too early for random theories) and piggybacks Ythan for something he "does not like".

Maf was trying to stifle relevant discussion, and the point of agreement was fence sitting. IMO, that's a strong, solid case to justify a page 3 vote.

Also, I do like the little trap that I set up for him. By calling him obv-scum and the bussing comments, it shouldn't bother him if he's town. Town would vote for whomever that they want regardless of other people's opinion of them. To not vote because of one person is not the action of a townie.

This is based on your assumption of how town and scum should play. I do agree that acting based on fear of suspicion is something scum do and I think this is the most noteworthy point of your case, but I've seen town do it too.

Then he loses track of where his vote is; and attacks Mafuyu *again* for something that isn't a scumtell (random votes).

People forget things as either alignment. You neglect to consider that Maf's random vote came long after discussion had therefore demonstrated a lack of scumhunting.

Support to my points:
I try for a quickhammer in mini 815 and when I get caught as scum my mindset was to lash back, but to not move my vote for fear of looking more scummy.

Shit, I can't find the other one: All I know is that I replaced out D1 as scum in a Friends and Enemies game by ABR with people like Vi, Troll, ekiM, Ojanen and I lost track of my vote. I have no clue what it was called anymore though The point is that I know where my vote is at all times as town; and I've only lost track of it as scum because you're fabricating scumreads.

This is where it gets really stretchy. Mistakes that one person has made as scum have little relevence to which mistakes someone else is likely to make as scum. The fact that you made them as scum says nothing about whether they are more common from scum or town. The fact that you felt the need to include this non-evidence gives the impression that you felt the actual evidence of IP's alignment wasn't enough to be convincing on its own.

FTR, I still haven't done any rereading but I'll get to it eventually.

[Ythill]

EBWOP:

You neglect to consider that Maf's random vote came long after discussion had

started and

therefore demonstrated a lack of scumhunting.

[Ythill]

Rereads complete. Here are my feelings on today's lynch.

VOTE: Mafuyu

Yessir

• Nobody Special: He's posted more than one sentance iso #s 6, 23, & 35 without any ramifications. It may be that quotes and votes don't count for his restriction but, if that's the case, I wonder why he has been separating out his votes in other places and why he hasn't used heavy quoting as a way to contribute without violating his restriction. He's also been hiding behind the restriction a bit. Even if he's telling the truth and is town, mislynching him will hurt the town less than mislynching someone without a post restriction. I'm moving him to my list of candidtaes.
  
• Amished: In iso, his play still seems kinda fishy. Not as clearly scum as I initially stated, but maybe he's just good at talking himself out of a tight spot. I'd lend my vote to an Ami lynch, but only if the supporters are a little more vocal about their reasoning than the threesome who jumped on him behind me earlier.
  
• Mafuyu: Flying under the radar. Has a lot of "townie sounding" theory stances but almost no opinions about people's alignments. She excuses her later RV by citing her relative inactivity but that doesn't make sense because her first vote was content-based. Stifled discussion. That comment she made about how I shouldn't dismiss a point against Exilon struck me as extremely scummy because she's indicated no suspicion of him but doesn't want me to look away from him. Plus there are connections to my other lynch candidates. At this time, I feel she's the best play.

Meh

• BloodCovenent: I'm fluctuating on him. Maybe scum but I'm not interested in lynching him today.
  
• Exilon: Being off-meta could be telling, or maybe he was busy. Voting the mods is bad play but I've seen townies do it. I'd like some more time to solidify a read here. Not interested in lynching him at this point.
  
• DTMaster
  ZazieR
  : So... DT replaces a non-entity only to post excuses. Why not give at least some brief thoughts based on the 3-5 pages he's read? And it's not like this game is hard to read. Between NS, MS, Ythan, and myself, the posts are mostly very short. I'm not interested in lynch him
  right now
  but will be putting him back on that list if his content doesn't improve.
  
• Untrod Tripod: He's fluffy and I'm taken him off the town list but I still don't see any reason to lynch him today.

Nope

(not interested in lynching them, obv)

• Ythan
  
• Midnight's Sorrow
  
• Inflatable Pie

[Ythill]

I'm not so much defending you as I am attacking the guy who's attacking you (and really it was more me answering a fair question he asked about an earlier attack). But, regardless of this, I'm not against defending the people I'm reading as town.

[Ythill]

Chainsaw defense?

I guess you could call it that, but I think it's clear that the attack was my intent. I was MotR on both Ami and IP before the timing and reachiness of Ami's attack changed my reads on both of them.

Except no wagon really started on this page, when [broken link]Ythill did QFT[/broken link] and misquoted BC as InflateablePie, my scumdar went up. This reads as bad distancing.

Broken link leads to a blank Full Editor, but should lead to [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 5#p2349225]#165[/quote]. I don't see any misquote, nor do I understand how it would have been scummy if I had. And my QFT was a valid point, calling it distancing is

very

assumptive.

...your reasons for Zazier scum are: meta and policy.

Nope. My main reason for wanting a Zaz lynch was: read the rules. Secondary reason was me looking for reactions.

Plus you made a town list. I dislike town lists.

Says the guy making lists to direct cops and vigs.

Ythill I dislike NS on that town list lawls, he should be null and shot at.

Heh. I came around to this PoV more recently.

Votes and quotes do not count in my restriction.

Then why the hell aren't you abusing quotes to help us scumhunt? Here's your sentence: "I find the following things suspicious:" + QUOTE SPAM."

I just read general rules for the game. Explain plz.

Think real hard.

[Ythill]

EBWOP:
Broken link leads to a blank Full Editor, but should lead to #165.

LULZ irony.

[Ythill]

Heh. That was worse than one of Exi's crap-traps.

[Ythill]

You not being a daykiller was obv. If UT is scum, all you did was allowed him to bluff-confirm. I don;t think he's scum though, so whatever.

[Ythill]

Go read the rest of the game, damnit.

[Ythill]

Ohey, look who's scumhunting.

I know I'm dense but someone needs to help me with this.

I'll help.

@Ami:

You're stating a problem with IP's votes not being based on "actual scumtells" and then your'e claiming that an absolutely illogical assumption (the way you act as scum is the way everyone acts as scum) proves that your vote is for an "actual scumtell." Protip: there's no such thing as an "actual scumtell." This game is a lot more subjective than you are claiming to believe.

[Ythill]

Actually, I just realized why you guys are having trouble. I went back and read the rules and apparently The Mods edited out the part I was referring to. That's funny, because now you have no way of figuring out what I meant.

Bastard moddery, LOL.

[Ythill]

@NS:

That wouldn't be very sporting of me.

@UT:

I'm having a hard time believing you fell for that. Say goodbye to a few of your townie brownies.

[Ythill]

I feel you, DTM, but Mafuyu is the better lynch today.

[Ythill]

@DTM:

Maf is more likley scum than Ami.

[Ythill]

This back and forth between DTM and MS is utterly pointless. How silly is it to have a dick measuring contest in the same thread with a guy like BC?

[Ythill]

Not really. How do you feel about a Mafuyu lynch?

[Ythill]

We need to start working toward a lynch consensus. Right now, we've got a baby wagon on BC and two votes on Exi. Other than that, we're all over the place. Let's get some actual wagons going. The one on BC looks yucky (two of my suspects are on it) and I will not be supporting it, but hey, at least it's a wagon. Here are some suggestions:

@MS:

I still think you're not considering the situation carefully enough but, even if you are, there's no way you're going to build enough support for a DTM lynch today. Please stop wasting your vote.

@Exilon:

Either I'm scum lying about MS or I'm town with a theory. If I'm scum (and you overlook the glaring question of why the hell I'd make such a strange gambit), it still doesn't say anything about MS' alignment. The correct play would be to lynch me, not him. If I'm town, you should probably trust me because you don't have enough information to determine whether I'm right or wrong. Either way, there are better places for your vote. What do you think of Mafuyu trying to talk me out of clearing you? Can you think of a reason she'd do that as town? I can't.

@NS & UT:

Get a fuckin' vote out there, goddamnit!

[Ythill]

I've got minions.

More Mafuyu votes please.

[Ythill]

Since I have the time, I'm going to go old-skool on Maf.

She has fourteen posts with a sig:noise ratio of 6:8 (signal marked with "<--s") Five out of 6 of her signal posts focus on Amished, yet she hasn't taken a stance on his alignment. In fact, she hasn't taken a stance on anyone's alignment. Nor does she seem interested in gathering information with which to do so. She's had that joke-vote out for five days during which she's made nine posts. I picked through her contributions individually, results below (# == iso).

• #0: Content vote on Ami for having a theory too early.
  It seemed like she was off to a good start. What happened? Note the target's identity.
  <--s
  
• #1: Stifles Ami's discussion about NS' PR.
  What motivation is there for town to dissuade meaningful conversation? Note the target again.
  <--s
  
• #2: Backtracking.
  Why not back up her position instead of shifting it?
  <--s
  
• #3: Answers about an error.
  Basically an EBWOP. Note that she's been online for 11 minutes and in the thread at least twice.
  
  
• #4: Joke vote on BC.
  This is page seven, after she's made one content vote. Why go back to RVS? Why unvote Ami at all?
  
  
• #5: Wants the mods to know she has a vag.
  More fluff, eight minutes after her last post. She is online and checking the game again, but not scumhunting.
  
  
• #6: Defends joke-vote, defends IP, theory fluff.
  Her vote defense is just not applicable. Defending one's attacker while not scumhunting seems overly appeasing and not paranoid enough for town. And note who she's defending IP from.
  <--s
  
• #7: Theory fluff.
  Seriously, she's not even curious who the scum are?
  
  
• #8: Asks if GD thread is important.
  Basically fluff because the answer is so obvious.
  
  
• #9: Theory. Doesn't want to lynch the mod.
  OMG! She took a stance. Oh, wait...
  
  
• #10: Fluff.
  Sigh.
  
  
• #11: Doesn't want me to stop suspecting Exi.
  Why not? This rings major alarm bells for me because it's one of her first game-relevant opinions and I don't see how it comes from a townie.
  <--s
  
• #12: Ambivalence regarding Ami wagon speed.
  Almost an opinion. Note the target.
  <--s
  
• #13: Mild discussion stiffling, questions Ami.
  This one could be considered scumhunting, but it's a stretch. Note the target... again.
  <--s

@Mafuyu:

Who is scum? Why is your joke-vote still out there? What were you doing during the few minutes between your posts on June 30th and July 1st? What's your read on Exilon? Why the hard-on for Ami? Why should we let you live?

[Ythill]

@TBM:

Yay! I've been looking forward to seeing you in-game. Welcome.

Meh... i'm not the biggest fans of PbPa's.

Vote: Mafuya.

@Ythill: Why is the target so important?

It strikes me as extremely odd when one player focuses so heavily on another without giving an explicit read.

[Ythill]

From an alignment standpoint, Mafuyu can't make promises.

If you're leaning scum on DTM, why do you still have that joke-vote on BC?

[Ythill]

Sure.

[Ythill]

For some reason, I think her answer will be different.

[Ythill]

Honestly dude. They can make anyone look scummy.

But then you follow it with a Maf vote. Strange. If you thought she was scum, why insert the comment about PbPAs when it's only effect will be to water support for lynching your suspect? If you didn't think she was scum, than how can your stance be honest of the PbPA convinced you?

[Ythill]

You're really making the most of those sentences, aren't you?

[Ythill]

That's L-1.

[Ythill]

We've got a third party claim. We're not going to risk our power roles with another wagon. Mafuyu is the lynch today.

I'm open to waiting if people have things they want to discuss, but I will not be moving my vote.

[Ythill]

I don't understand the question NS but maybe you accidentally called MS a she? I don't think MS was lying.

I'm having second thoughts. Don't really have time to discuss them ATM but I mya be changing my stance on lynching the survivor.

Unvote

while I think about it.

@TBM:

FTR, I knew what a commuter was too.

[Ythill]

Okay, sorry about that. I had an appointment to keep. Anyway, my second thoughts about lynching the survivor...

My initial reaction was non-town == DIE!!! This because such is the way to handle survivors, but Maf didn't just claim survivor, she claimed

commuter

too. Which gave me an idea. To win, the town needs to eliminate all threats, which doesn't include survivors. Scum, OtoH, has to gain a majorirty or whatever, meaning that a living survivor

is

a problem for

them

. So leaving her alive will force them to waste a NK on her and if she uses her power correctly

it will force them to waste two.

That's two less dead townies and two guarenteed power-role protections. Or they can let her live and have what amounts to a treestumped townie cost them the endgame. Letting her live seems like a

great

plan for the town, except...

The only problem here is the possibility that she's fake-claiming. It's a stretch. It would mean that Maf has been planning it all along (because she's been playing exactly like a survivor), and took a huge gamble (because claimed survivors are generally lynched), and secretly read enough of the Guys thread to create believable Furry flavor. So a fake-claim here seems unlikley, though I'd be more comfortable with a cop confirm. Now, obviously we don't even know if we have a cop yet (and we shouldn't, so don't even think about claiming) but I think we can accomplish a lot by challenging the scum to a game of WIFOM chicken.

If you think this is a good plan, please agree to the following:

if I am a cop, I will investigate Mafuyu before LYLO

.

Now I'll go read and reply to other points...

[Ythill]

There's something not right about this.

Either trust me or vote me. Discrediting me isn't productive.

I don't see why there's a reference here to BC (other than the obvious 22" thing). This seems fluffy.

Calling their argument pointless was not fluffy. The dick joke was... well... a dick joke. C'mon, what game is this? Noting you're discrediting me even more, and it gives me a theory. Maybe you thought of my plan before I did, said "oh shit," and now you're engaging in damage control. But whatever...

What are the ramifications of breaking your post restriction?

[Ythill]

I don't believe Mafuyu is smart enough...

An assumption that is both rude and edible.

Waiting for a vote count...

[Ythill]

Was that a misrep? It didn't even make any sense to me.

[Ythill]

I've been trying to figure out how Maf could hurt the town even if she's not fake-claiming, and I think I might have discovered a caveat in my plan. We started with 11 players. If this set-up is balanced, we either have three scum and a single NK, or two scum plus a vig (ruling out SK because 2 third party roles seems like too much). That means we have either 9 or 8 players alive tomorrow, 7 or 5 alive for LYLO on D3. Either way, an odd number @ LYLO means that it's an even split with Mafuyu as the swing vote. One scum can then claim outright and demand that she vote with them or be the NK. If she saved her commute

and

we have the 2:8:1 setup with a vig

and

she wants to be generous, she could foil them and give us the win. That's a lot of ifs. If we're playing a 3:7:1 setup, the scum have two consecutive demand days and can force her to comply or gamble. No reason for a survivor to gamble there.

As much as I'd like to hang scum today, it seems like that would be sub-optimal play. Thoughts?

Sorry Mafuyu. Your game ends here. VOTE: Mafuyu

[Ythill]

You guys have been spamming the thread for an hour and a half and

now

you decide to got bed?

[Ythill]

LOL. That's

go to

bed. More epic typing fail.

[Ythill]

Narf... tired posting... if we hang scum at least once in the next two days and/or we have a vig that hits... I need to think about this some more.

unvote

[Ythill]

That's why I was waiting for a vote count. Mod post, no response to breaking the post restriction. Still undecided about Mafuyu.

@NS:

You didn't answer my question. What are the ramifications of breaking your post restriction?

VOTE: Nobody Special

[Ythill]

I haven't had much head space for this game today, but I think the Mafuyu situation comes down to risk management. I no longer think we should waste a cop investigation on her or keep her until the end of the game. We could try to hit scum today and see if there's a vig, but if we miss, then it's an even tougher decision tomorrow. D1 lynches are a crapshoot anyway. If we hang Maf today, at least we don't lynch town and we will have more information for finding scum tomorrow. And there's always the chance scum will die tonight by other means.

Sorry I've been flip-flopping on this. Third-party roles make my head spin.

UNVOTE: Nobody Special
VOTE: Mafuyu

[Ythill]

You've given me enough information to answer my question. Thanks.

[Ythill]

The main point of my D1 effort is to stir up information for later days. Why did you claim survivor rather than town commuter?

[Ythill]

@NS:

Bulletproof or rape-proof? It's an important distinction. Also, having heard the details, I'm glad you broke the post restriction. I'm curious why you didn't break it in your first post.

@MS:

Your stance is just as stubborn and ignorant as 'THIRD PARTY!?! OMG! DIE.' We should base our decision on the details, which you have neglected to discuss. Though there are arguments both ways, careful consideration shows that lynching Maf is the best move for the town. If you are seriously going to base your opinion on the desire to avoid "dickish" play instead of what is most likley to get us the win, then you probably

should

be replaced. I don't mind you disagreeing with me, but please base your opinion on playing to win.

@Everyone:

Please either vote Maf or explain clearly why you are not voting her in your next post.

[Ythill]

Holy spam. What sucks about this most is that you're both town. Sigh.

@Ythan:

You're going to test the limits of the iso anyway, so I'm not really worried about it. Besides, the new site may have been Yth-proofed in that regard. I know for a fact that MS is not the worst player you've met in game. Wanting to lynch him is silly because the main thing he did that got you all riled up was siding with Maf. So... how 'bout we let you actually win the argument by lynching her instead?

@MS:

Yes, actually your stance is ignorant. I don't mean stupid, I mean uninformed. Although it's true that we cannot know what exactly will happen, we can certainly compute the odds and make a decision based on risk management. Killing Maf now uses up one lynch without hitting scum or town. Leaving Maf alive carries an

extremely high

risk of giving us one less lynch before LYLO. So, unless we're going to hope for a miracle, we must consider the fact that one lynch is wasted either way and decide which one to use. Later lynches are more important and more likely to be accurate, so it's pretty obvious what we should do. Mafuyu understands this so clearly that she's not even trying a counter-argument, despite her game being on the line. Hell, she's already admitted that she'd side with the claimed scum.

And no, her wagon is not a good place for scum to hide, because they don't want her to die today. If she can live through two mislynches, she is as valuable as any other mafia member. Meanwhile, the most likely alternates for today seem like you and NS. Are you scum? What about NS, better than random? With his broken post restriction and your obstanence, do you think scum will have a hard time blending in on either of your wagons?

@NS:

Since you've already claimed, you might as well get your flavor out. I'm guessing you're shaft.ed? What's the justification for being bulletproof?

[Ythill]

Welcome back, Ex.

Is anyone else wondering about why there have been two claims of night-kill protection abilities?

I woke up with two thoughts in my head today. One was

must... have... coffee.

The other was

why the hell was a survivor doc-fishing?

My bulletproof flavor is along the lines of not being able to be raped due to

obvious

heterosexuality.

I am

(mostly)

not gay.

Please explain this discrepeancy (bolded by me). I find it odd that heterosexuality would dissuade the same rapists who targeted an AniX. Meanwhile, I can see the flavor justification for shaft.ed (he of the frigid wife) to be scum.

Fine Ythill. You win.

And my prize is your vote on Maf?

Who do you think is scum?

Most likely candidates are NS, Ami, Exi, and DTM. UT gets (dis)honorable mention. None of them is obv-scum though.

[Ythill]

Prove that this type of play is inferior to lynching Maf and I'll switch my vote immediatly. Yes, Ythill, I read your justification-hopping but I'll need further enlightment. for example, in only very specific situations would scum claim in Lylo to get Maf on their side, and even if that were the case, she'd just commute, siding with town.

"Very specific situations" == any LYLO with an odd number of players, which is highly likley because we started with an odd number of players. Only one scum needs to claim, not all of them. And there's no way Maf is going to gamble in order to achieve a town win when she can auto-win with scum.

@Maf:

It's fishing because a doc is more likley than anyone else to find the abundance of immunities odd. FWIW, I'd be all for keeping you alive if I could see a way that we could use you to give the town an edge but other than unlikley MYLO insurance (which would mean lynching you anyway), I don't think there is one. There are exactly three ways for you to survive today: if we find extremely high-percentage obv-scum, if someone incurs a day-ending modkill, or if you get the opportunity to quickhammer. Which reminds me...

@Town:

Maf will hammer anyone placed @ L-1. So don't put anyone @ L-1 goddamnit!

Claims should be called for @ L-2 with another vote waiting. Also, the people piled on MS are losing town cred. Especially Ythan, who is attacking him aggressively @ L-2 for no good reason.

[Ythill]

I'm not being trolled. Am I?

@MS:

Mind explainging the change in stance?

My view was that he realized his stance was anti-town, but couldn't admit it right away due to ego. On the other hand, it could have been the part where he was getting votes and I pointed out that if we didn't lynch her, he might hang in her place (which I see as null).

@NS:

I will never, in any game, agree to lynching someone because he pissed you off. Please take a deep breath and try to differentiate. If you are town and end up in the endgame with MS, I'd like to know you're capable of being objective. Also, I don't think TBM was baiting you, at least not needlessly. He put that noise-inducing vote on MS and two players got excessively bloodthirsty, you included. Him follwing up is just another plate of townie-brownies for the undercover hippie.

[Ythill]

Yeah, but do you mean it?

In other news... I'm offering a fabulous imaginary pony to anyone who changes their vote to Mafuyu.

[Ythill]

@TBM:

Your imaginary pony has been delivered to wherever you imagine it to be.

With Maf @ L-1 and a couple of potential hammers out there, it looks like this day is grinding to a close. I should probably advise you all that I am not a good target choice for tonight. Unless you're scum of course.

[Ythill]

@Ythan:

If MS bothers you that much, please replace out. You're being a dick and it's ruining the game.

[Ythill]

@Yth:

No worries man, you know I love playing with you. Just please stop.

Anyway... I think we did the right thing. I feel bad for Maf but it was in the best interest of the town.

Regardless of what Ami says, please think twice before targeting me tonight as a town power role. I have no interest in protection anyway and, if you're investigative, we'd be much better off if you just lynched me tomorrow. I probably wouldn't have said anything at all but, lately, I've been targeted at night by everyone and their grandma. This is a game-wrecking role in my hands, so don't make me say I told you so.

Goodnight.

[Ythill]

So fuckin sexy.

VOTE: Exilon

[Ythill]

What claim are you talking about?

[Ythill]

@MS:

Honest question. Maf's claim or mine? Also, I think you should consider claiming today. It will clear up some confusion for people about "rope" and "read the rules" and I think this game is very close to over with a town win, so the risk is minimized.

Exilon is scum. Almost 100%. Don't listen to his lies.

[Ythill]

It seems we've had some developments. Exilon is high percentage scum, I'd put him @ 80% or more. I can clearly show how, but it would require a full-claim from me. Proving that full claim is likely to out a second power role. Meanwhile, Ami has soft-claimed JoaT and handed us a near coin-flip (Ami or TBM is scum more than 90% of the time, with strange busdriver/framer/etcetera theories where they could both be town). Exi is the higher percentage lynch today but the coinflip is enough of a backup that this game seems to be over with a town win (lynch Exi for a likely 7:1, lynch Ami or TBM for 5:1, and the other if the first is town for 3:1, leaving a mislynch to spare in case of improbable caveats) and so I think the risk of role-claiming is justified. However, if we are going to out our three most powerful roles, I think we should massclaim.

The other option is that y'all can trust me on Exi and we can work the rest of this out tomorrow. I doubt there's anyone here who thinks I'm scum after what happened with Maf. I caught her, I drove her to claim, I considered her claim transparently, then I drove her lynch to completion (imaginary ponies FTW), and then she flipped scum-power. Is there anyone who thinks I was bussing her? Remember, you're not just trusting me to be town here, but to be correct as well.

Do you trust me enough to lynch Exi on my word in spite of Ani's guilty claim? If not, are you in favor of an early massclaim?

@Ythan:

Exlpain why you believe we have a vig after a night of no kills.

[Ythill]

Also, hi Claus. Nice avatar you have there. >=D

[Ythill]

Trust Ythill: 2 (Ami, NS)
Massclaim: 0
Neither: 0
Please weigh in on this if you haven't.

What are your thoughts about scumMS potentially unvoting scumpal Exi and now going after DTM?

My town read on MS hasn't changed. Now that we have an extremely high percentage scum in Exi, plus a coinflip between Ami/TBM, I don't see a reason to look beyond these people for scum. If I'm wrong about Exi and/or both coinflip players are town, then we can start looking at other theories. From where I'm sitting, this game is already over. Winning lynch order is Exi, TBM/Ami, Ami/TBM.

Again... due to the likely town win we have locked up here, I don't mind engaging in full disclosure today, which means you can all grok this as well as I do before we act and I'll answer any questions you have in full (including "read the rules"), but I will only do so as part of a massclaim.

[Ythill]

@Amished:

If it helps you keep the Yth names straight, feel free to call me Fabio.

[Ythill]

Trust Ythill: 2 (Ami, NS)
Massclaim: 0
Neither: 1 (Exi)
Please weigh in on this if you haven't.

Damn it, Ythill, couldn't you just have said that you were voting Exi for his ties with Maf and left it at it?

Sorry. I probably would have if not for Ami's claim but, like I said, this game seems to be over except the technicalities and I don't want to squander it playing cat and mouse with y'all. Please state clearly whether you want to trust me on Exi, massclaim, or neither.

My opinion: Exi is 80% scum. Ami/TBM is a coinflip. I need to fullclaim if we want to openly discuss why Exi is scum. MS should claim, both because he is the most likely mislynch and so that we can openly discuss his role and targets. If a town busdriver, redirector, or something like that targeted Exi, Ami, or TBM, that person also needs to claim. Since so many claims are necesarry for full disclosure, we should also seek the secondary benefits of an early mass-claim, including forcing scum into early fake-claims and optimizing the town'd night game. Anyone who thinks I am scum who hyper-bussed a PR buddy on D1 is either scum or on drugs. Anyone who thinks I am a SK clamoring for attention before and after a night of no kills is being silly.

I'd like to remind everyone here that Maf-Exi-Ami connections look pretty solid but, at this point, I'm not interested in other scumhunting until the above is settled. It will only serve to distract us from a very likley town win (maybe even a sweep).

[Ythill]

What do you think of my roleclaim now?

I want to answer this one. It makes very little sense if you and Exi are scum together, which is strange because a Maf-Exi-Ami scumteam makes the most sense otherwise. Your claim does make sense if you are town and TBM is scum with Exi. It makes even better sense if you are scum with TBM, but that would mean we have a ~20% situation on Exilon and I'm going to have some questions/critique for your team in the postgame.

[Ythill]

Trust Ythill: 3 (Ami, NS, TBM)
Massclaim: 0
Neither: 1 (Exi)
Please weigh in on this if you haven't.

Our lurkers need to post, goddamnit.

[Ythill]

Awwwww.

I suppose there's not much harm in it at this point. During the confirmation phase, rule #1 (starting and ending states) began with the phrase "It is now night." This game was limited night start, like a cop head start but with all non-killing roles able to act.

[Ythill]

I should add that part of the above (all non-killing) is speculation on my part. One aspect of my role is an active action which was confirmed to have succeeded on N0, and I am not a cop or cop-like in any way. Meanwhile, nobody died except the pre-game NPC.

[Ythill]

Trust Ythill: 4 (Ami, NS, TBM, Claus)
Massclaim: 0
Neither: 1 (Exi)
Please weigh in on this if you haven't.

@Ythan:

Stance?

@Claus:

I put you down as Trust Ythill because it's a euphamism for lynch Exi today. You don't actually have to trust me. And I'm not full-claiming unless we're massclaiming or I'm @ L-1 with a hammer waiting. Good luck with the latter.

Was Ythan ignoring Maf? I haven't reread D1 yet but I seem to remember him espousing a lynch-all-survivors philosophy as soon as she claimed, and then throwing a fit when MS disagreed with him about it. I don't understand your point. You want to hang Exi. I'm agreeing that he's scum and saying my info is even more reliable than yours. Plus we have an Ami cop guilty on TBM. Ythan is important because?

Also, I don't have another reason to suspect TBM off the top of my head. The evidence in the thread heavily suggests that Ami is the third scumbag. I don't know why the hell he'd claim cop with his buddy under fire, and that's got me a little twiggy, but whatever. We can discuss the other people in a bit. First I want to see if there's enough votes in support of an Exi lynch or if I'm going to have to talk everyone into massclaiming.

[Ythill]

Trust Ythill: 5 (Ami, NS, TBM, Claus, Ythan)
Massclaim: 0
Neither: 1 (Exi)
Please weigh in on this if you haven't.

You, on the other hand seem to be interested in ending the day as fast as possible, and that stinks.

I can see how you got this impression but it's not true. What I am interested in doing as soon as possible is figuring out whether or not I'm going to have to claim to get Exi lynched. Once I have that info, I don't mind if we chat about whatever before actually lynching him. In fact, that's why I'm running the unofficial vote count thingy rather than just telling people to vote Exi now.

For example, TBM is the second in your plan, but you don't care about questioning the cop claim, even if you don't suspect TBM for nothing else, and you say Ami is scummy. By the way, can you make a summary of your case on Ami, or point me to a post of yours where such case is?

Actually, my plan doesn't differentiate between them. I can see arguments for lynching each of them first, but I don't really think it matters. Ami was scummy for a few things but the main point I've been refering to recently is quoted below. In hindisight, it's creepy-psychic.

When pressure changed from Zaz to Maf and Exi, Amished switched his vote from Zaz to the other popular suspect, IP. Ami's reasoning was overreaching, but that's beside the point. My main problem with it was that 3/4 of the reasons behind it were things that had happened previously without inspiring a vote change. So we have Ami, who has absolutely no reason to be voting Zaz, happy to be doing so while another player looks increasingly scummy to him, but then suddenly interested in changing his vote after BC voted Mafuyu, either to build an alternative to the Maf wagon or to split votes with BC. Another option in my mind was that it was in response to the meta-push against Exilon, but judging from Ami/BC reactions to that development, I'm ruling that one out.

Now that I've thought about it; I don't need a claim from Fabio today, though I will say that he got extremely lucky.

QFT, though there was skill involved too.

@Exi:

Nice try, but my ego didn't send you a scum role PM. Of course you can roleclaim before we lynch you. In fact, since we already have enough support to hang you, you should do so now. Please claim all targets and/or results as well as your role and flavor.

[Ythill]

Exilon, it's obvious you didn't visit me last night and that sounds like an outrageous lie. Explain why it was you voted the mods if you knew it would kill you.

We need to determine if the Reck role exists.

Claiming: Not Reckoner

@MS:

Please at least say whether finding the rope was a facet of your role power or an unexpected result.

[Ythill]

Heh. You

softclaimed

Not Reckoner. Classy.

Exi is so full of shit. I clearly breadcrumbed Not Reck flavor and softclaimed PGO and he still targeted me for random reasons? Look back through his iso. Do you see any sign of curiosity about our flavor names? Meanwhile, it's obvious that he voted The Mods based on "?? alive players" (not his role). He also voted for Banana. Hell, look at these lines...

You don't think the mods are capable of fucking someone hard in the ass?

I still find The Mods to be perfect scum, for obvious reasons.

Apparently, Exi's story is that he's currently one of the mods, and knows he can join with the other to become both of them, but yet he was saying that he thinks they're the scum? I mean, we'll wait for the Reckornot claims but...

[Ythill]

Please don't use my softclaim to figure out what happened. It isn't as simple as it appears. I'm still down with massclaim if y'all want to know more.

So we have Ami, NS, TBM, Ythan, DTM, and myself claiming Not Reck. That leaves BC, MS, and Claus.

BC has heavily breadcrumbed Dramonic which is doubly interesting in this situation. MS hasn't breadcrumbed his flavor as far as I can tell, but I'm betting he's not the role Exi described, because it's obvious he is a different role. UT/Claus is an interesting iso in this regard, because UT made a statement in his first post that

could have been

a Reck breadcrumb, but I could be wrong.

@Claus:

please claim Reckornot.

[Ythill]

Because a lack of Reck will prove that Exi is BSing 100% and if there is a Reck, he can probably confirm or deny Exi's claim shenanigans. I'm convinced Exi is scum anyway, but we might as well cover all the bases.

[Ythill]

I don't see why he wouldn't, unless he's scum and Exi is town, but that's

very

unlikley.

[Ythill]

I had Exi @ 80% scum. Lies apparent in his claim (ex: calling the mods scum) brought that number up, let's call it 90%. I'd like it to be as close to 100% as possible, especially since my high percentage is based on knowledge that only I have.

[Ythill]

@MS:

Please state whether finding rope on ZazieR was related to your role power or was an unexpected PM from the mod. Thanks.

[Ythill]

It was. And I'd prefer if he didn't, unless we're massclaiming. I want to know for other reasons.

[Ythill]

I thought you trusted me...

[Ythill]

Random PM from the mod or just random?

[Ythill]

FFS, MS, even after hearing you say it, I'm having trouble believing your luck.

[Ythill]

Nope. You're going to laugh pretty hard whenever I full-claim. I'm tempted to do it just for the lulz.

[Ythill]

Meh. I really don't think it matters that much. Exi is scum and, unless there's a framer/busdriver/redirector/etcetera, the other one is between Ami and TBM. Since I'm bored, I'm going to do comparative isos on those two.

Also, my obv-town read and protection of MS was 100% based on the rope luck, so I'm retracting all of that now. Unless he's lying. MS, if you're lying it's kinda pointless. This game has a decent chance of being a sweep and I don't see any chance that it's going to be a town-loss.

[Ythill]

Okay, I finished the comparative isos. TBM is obv-scum. Seriously obv. I'm comfortable hanging him or Exi today and the game is (un)officially over with a town sweep. Goddamnit we're awesome.

@NS:

In hindsight, you were being bated... by scum. It was pretty good baiting too. Master baiting.

[Ythill]

You guys need to read more carefully. Amished explained that before DTM CCed, and he explained it again afterward. It was yet another case of him typing Ythan when he meant to type Ythill, which makes sense if you read the flavor justification for his role.

Seriously, this game is over and it will be a town sweep unless I'm wrong about Exi (10%). The only caveats I see are (1) a budsriver targeted Exi last night, (2) a four-man scum team. By the end of today we should be up against one scum who is not capable of killing. Then we lynch him tomorrow. End of story. And somebody

better

nominate this town for a scummy.

[Ythill]

Nope.

I'm not a PGO at all. That was just a lie for the scumz. I'm actually...

Nobody Special, BDSM Jailkeeper

I tie people up in my dungeon. Night zero I targeted ZazieR (hence my LOLing @ MS' lucky rope comment). N1 I targeted Exi, blocking the scum kill, unless you want to believe we had a BPT, commuter, JK,

and

doc/RB. So... either scum tried to kill Exi (lurking, off-meta, suspected be people, connected heavily to Mafuyu, language barrier, explicitly called an easy mislynch) or he was the scum killer. Check out these quotes where I used innuendo to ask MS if he wanted protection...

@MS:

Have you fully considered the rope? Because I have and I don't see how it proves anything. I'm not sure you want to get tied to the idea (pun intended).

Ythill. Your statement fills me somewhat full of dread... .-. Why?

And yes I have.

Well, it's better than some of the things you could be filled with.

Anyway... this will be a sweep because we're going to hang one of Exi/TBM today and I'm going to JK the other one tonight. Tomorrow's quicklynch will seal the deal.

[Ythill]

@NS:

I'm town. Darkred is the color I use to super-bold things. I started using it a long time ago because it was the first one on the full editor list and it's never a mod color.

@Ythan:

I don't care which one we lynch but I agree that drawing this game out is kinda sily at this point.

@TBM & Exi:

Tip your king, scumz. Your raping has come to an end.

[Ythill]

Mods are using MY color?!!!

Actually, L-2 isn't a very good place to leave Exi. This game doesn't use the NAT. Instead, actions are resolved in the order received, and I will not let the scumz steal our sweep by power-bussing Exi while I'm asleep. Two of you late-nighters should unvote and meet me here tomorrow night. I'll flicker so you know I'm here. Then we can time our hammer and my night action to be simultaneous. Sound good?

[Ythill]

unvote

I'm going to bed. I hope to find Exi @ L-3 (or L-2 with TBM voting) when we meet here tomorrow.

[Ythill]

Hey. Trouble sleeping == good for Claus.

I'm not going to dig up quotes and stuff right now but, off the top of my head: IP spent the early game goofing off and weakly attacking both of his buddies, then finally dropped a vote on MS when things started getting serious. TBM was on Maf twice, both times when she seemed like a likely lynch and neither with much gusto. Meanwhile, he was attacking MS and baiting NS, and generally acting as if he wanted us to look elsewhere while being tangentially involved in her lynch. He also made that comment about not believing her survivor claim, which he never followed up on (Ami caught this tell). I think there was some other stuff too, but it'll have to wait. I'm going back to bed.

Hopefully I can sleep this time...

[Ythill]

In the event of overlapping and/or contradictory Night Actions (i.e. a mutual roleblock), priority is given to whoever PMs The Mods with the action first.

If Dramonic dies, the game is over.

The game is already over. You lost.

AW COME ON MY CLAIM IS PRETTY GOOD.

I liked it. Very imaginative. Good job.

[Ythill]

PS: This was just me checking in briefly. I'll be back on this evening to deal with Exi.

[Ythill]

They are in some cases, including mutual roleblock. I'll be on for the next 30 minutes or so if you want to vote, I'll hammer and submit my action.

[Ythill]

No but it helps for timing. Also, sorry about being dumb. I forgot you're already voting. Just ignore me.

[Ythill]

I'm getting ready to leave right now, so I'm not voting yet. I should be home in about two hours and will vote when I'm ready.

[Ythill]

Not yet goddamnit. Wait until I get back.

[Ythill]

VOTE: Exilon

I'll be here for about an hour.

@Exi:

You can't be both scum and SK.

@Claus:

IME, it doesn't take this long for a girl to open her legs. Just sayin.

[Ythill]

That was the hammer. I just sent my night action, JKing TBM.

@TBM:

We don't have to go through the motions if you want to concede.

[Ythill]

Did you really need to do that twice?

[Ythill]

Quit goofing around, Exi.

[Ythill]

FFS Ythan, if you're a game-ending lyncher I'm going to be pissed.

Exi ninja: no I'm exactly what I said I am.

[Ythill]

We're a 2-scum team. THAT'S WHY THE GAME IS OVER.
If it isn't, Ythill is SK.
Proof is TBM is town and there won't be assraping tonight.

LOL. This is Exi trying to come up with lie that will somehow protect his scumbuddy. See, he knows there will be no assraping tonight because he knows TBM is the last scum. Gott give him credit for effort but... really?

I'm a SK who destroyed the entire scumteam while not killing and who claimed to have blocked the scumkill but wasn't CCed? LOLOLOLOLOL.

[Ythill]

So you're a lyncher but you don't know if it ends the game?

[Ythill]

Well as long as it doesn't end the game, I'm glad I could help. Congratulations.

[Ythill]

I'm not a SK. That was Exi's desperate lie. Read what I said more carefully.

Tonight TBM-scum will not be able to kill. Tomorrow we will lynch him. Then the game will actually be over.

[Ythill]

Hell yes... my first town sweep. Ythill is happy.

[Ythill]

I couldn't have done it without you Ami.

[Ythill]

From the scummy-nom thread...

There's no I in "team"

No, but there is a u in cocksucker. (My favorite comeback of all time.)

[Ythill]

I don't think the lyncher was super-powered, though it would have been better if he didn't know that Exi was Dram. The main imbalance was probably the version of traitor you used. In other games I've seen traitors that (1) the other scum knew the identity of and so could choose to recruit instead of NKing right away and (2) showed up as town to investigations until after they were recruited. Not that any of that would have mattered, because Exi was alone and JKed by N1 and we would have endgamed TBM even if I hadn't JKed him, right?

"Ythill is going to get me lynched".

Yeah, I've lynched you in every game we played together,

excpet

the one where you were the jester. I like that you tried to NK me despite my PGO lie.

[Ythill]

Someday I'll actually be scum against you, Exi. That will be fun.

[Ythill]

No, of course not. Here's my plan...

I'll rally for your lynch, but not get enough support by deadline, so we'll end up lynching someone else. Then, shortly before the end of D2, I'll catch one of my buddies and lynch him instead of you. On D3, I'll figure out that you're town, and lynch the guy who is pushing hardest for you to die (who, coincidentally, I talked into suspecting you in the first place). D4 will be LYLO and I will power-bus my last buddy. You'll wake up in endgame and be so convinced of my townieness that you'll vote the other guy before either of us posts. Then I'll hammer and laugh at you.

Yeah... it'll be

exactly

like that...

[Ythill]

Enough shit talking though... I'm just glad you got to see me playing well because I was really embarassed about my play in Classic Mafia.

[Ythill]

I didn't believe Exi's claim either, too many inconsistancies. I believed Maf's for the most part. The doc-fishing made me question it but, by then, she was doomed so I figured there was no way to bring it up. BTW, this was my first time as a JK or town RB of any kind. Targeting a scummy lurker was my strategy and apparently it worked.

Hey Maf, you should PM me your main. I'll keep the secret.

[Ythill]

I was disappointed when I got the role, but only because I'm a NK magnet. I knew I needed to hit scum or die. The PGO softclaim was last-ditch, but I had a feeling it wasn't going to work.

[Ythill]

Slacker.

[Ythill]

I bet you laughed when I posted "Yth alliance!" as my reason for voting Exi.

[Ythill]

I wish there was some way we could both win... oh, wait...

[Ythill]

Oh, hey Exilon: nom 4u.