Scummies Invitational (OVER!!!)

[SpyreX]

Whats up game:

1. Have you played in a Lights Out game before? I don't think so? I'm familiar with the mechanics but I can't think of one offhand.
2. I give you $200 to place a bet on the first Day 1 lynch, with return odds of 15/1 for each player. Who do you bet on? Empking.
3. What do you think is the optimum number of lynches for Day 1? Two. That should give enough to parse out without going murderfrenzy on it.
4. What is your favourite animal? Falcon.
5. Sum up your playstyle in one sentence. A bowling ball thrown from the Empire State Building: hard, fast and awful hard to get to change directions.

[SpyreX]

I'm looking at the whole questionnaire as null. Its a tool that doesn't DO anything inherently (and yes I was in Tofu). Now, where it GOES is the important part.

That said Volk you raise some interesting points and then follow up with a throwaway vote? What up

[SpyreX]

Ehhh random whatever is whatever and I normally can't reach terminal velocity unless something AWESOME happens for a while anywho so whatever random flavor inherently doesn't bother me.

Its what happens next.

[SpyreX]

Except for that whole not thinking Hoop is scum for that maneuver.

Hrrrmmm we need some spice in here.

[SpyreX]

Sorry that was in response to KMD's post not yours.

Its a bad habit I've grown over time.

I dig what you're saying. I'm not sure if I am totally BEHIND it, but I dig it.

[SpyreX]

...

So close, and yet so far.

Sometimes we lose sight of the obvious in pursuit of the complicated.

Unvote, Vote: Tenchi

Wagon vote? Check.
Town read question? Check.
No statements about the person he's wagoned but half-fling in other directions? Check.

Now THIS is a vote I can get behind.

[SpyreX]

Also, SpyreX, I am usually more paranoid then most.

Therefore, I do not just clear people just because you say so.

Also, I am wary of scum getting some brownie points just because they "figured out" that somebody is town. So... reasons?

The italics I don't even know what to make of it.

And no, no reasons were given. None.

[SpyreX]

I am assuming all this declarations (you and

Spyrex

, maybe more?)

What????

[SpyreX]

I was probably checking other games?

The bad habit is (like here) not quoting directly what I'm replying to.

[SpyreX]

I wasn't thinking about his post for sure when I posted that. I probably read it?

Tenchi is far, far better than volkan fyi.

[SpyreX]

Hot damn mykonian I like that a lot.

However, can you give me the short and sweet on Tenchi and your thoughts that way? Tenchi CKD twofer? Mmmm

[SpyreX]

Myko:

However, can you give me the short and sweet on Tenchi and your thoughts that way? Tenchi CKD twofer? Mmmm

[SpyreX]

What's wrong with questioning town reads?

Inherently? Nothing.

However, the questioning is more of a "how could YOU THINK THAT" and not a "WHY do you think that?"

And, either way, the absence is backed up by... very little.

Town on town lovemaking becomes very scary for scum in the longterm and its always a great jumping board on the buddying wagon.

Q21 while not jumping out at me is intriguing for the scatterplot he's creating. I'd still put more money on Tenchi being scum (and them not being scum together but I degress),

[SpyreX]

Ohh yea "explain please" is totally a clearer my bad.

Woosh.

That quote was pretty clearly there because you disagree but offered no rationale why soo

[SpyreX]

I'm not tangling the web because, frankly, I haven't had that kind of bite yet. For whatever reason these posts just kind of glaze over and I need to focus but can't.

I'm still very, very confident about a tenchi scum flip though.

[SpyreX]

Well, that's what's bugging me. If you still like Tenchi as scum, I'd think you might start trying to look into this alternate wagon stuff that's been happening with Kinetic to see if anything could possibly be drawn from that. Instead, you haven't really commented on it nor have you shared thoughts on Kinetic either. You have no opinion on any of that?

I sat down and reread that debacle and I do have an opinion now.

Its silly. And bad. And of:

Kinetic (4) -- Incognito, vollkan, Slicey, curiouskarmadog

That group of four there is a scum.

And while you're not going to get a faaabulous case from me on why I'm going to call out... *gasp* slicey. You will get this exchange:

I haven't liked a thing Kinetic has written so far.

His first "real" post seems like a whole lot of noise since it's merely a summary of all of his experiences with all of the players. He describes it as getting his meta experience out of the way just in case he needs to call on it later, but I'm not sure I buy that explanation - it's not like Kinetic went into elaborate detail about each and every person he's played with so far; he kept things pretty vague, imo. He's didn't bother to comment on a thing that's happened here so far in that post, and he certainly hasn't seemed to do so in his subsequent posts either. And I reeeeeeeeeeally don't like the policy lynch vote on Empking - I disagree completely that Empking will become a "distraction as town" - it's not like we're completely unable to prod and probe the guy and ask him questions about his stances - and slipping by as scum? How exactly would that happen?

vote: Kinetic

Goddamit just lost my post. >__> I'll try to remember what I wrote.

Tajo, explain to me your reads on Myk and CKD. You say you like the case on CKD, yet you think he's town? I'm kinda confused. Also, why do you think myk is obvious town? He seems a little jumpy to me IMO. I don't necessarily think he's scum, but I definitely don't think he's obvtown as you say.

Kinetic, what I don't understand is, is that you keep talking about how bad Empking is in other games and how much of a liability he is, yet you're not commenting on him in THIS game, which is what actually matters. Empking has made enough posts that you can comment on, whether you think it's townie posts or scummy posts, yet you have said nothing on him in this game. You're voting him and attacking him for nothing he's done in this game, but his meta and reputation alone.

For that, I will Unvote, Vote: Kinetic.

I'm not liking anything he's saying.

I'll just Mega FoS: KMD

That similarity is jarring. Enough that it raised my cackles. I'd be shocked and awed if they were scum together though.

That said:

The majority of the Kinetic business revolves around a policy lynch on Empking. While

normally

that is eye raising because policy lynches are a great way to "waste" a day's lynch

that isn't the case here at all

. We can have cake and eat it too!

The only thing that Kinetic has said that made me worried is when he said he'd stop pushing this d2 because this setup gives every reason to keep pushing it.

Which leads to the far more important point. We need lynches. Plural. I still want two and there's been a lot of inactivity that seems designed to keep just that from happening (yea, yea, I know I've been a nonfactor).

Of the set now I'd be down for Tenchi, q21, ckd and slicey at the moment. KMD and Empking wouldn't make me cry.

Of the more active(s) as time progresses I'm more worried about Hoop and absolutely not worried about Volk and the weird parity there with KMD's input also raises an eye.

Its not quite OHH SNAP TOWN BUSINESS but in the remainder there's some pretty clear towns I'd ride to the bank.

[SpyreX]

I'm not expecting ohh snap scum while it would be nice - I want the raw data and I am a gambler. Hell I said I'd like two waaaay back when.

I'm really not seeing Incog as scum be the big thing. You're tweaking me out because you had a start I liked and then have traiiiled off some. Definitely not for lynching at the moment but its there.

And everything I say there and you comment on me wanting two lynches?

[SpyreX]

If you agree with me but its Meh I'm assuming you think its Incog?

At the rate this is going we're going to have a single lynch at deadline so my argument for two is academic but.

[SpyreX]

Agreeing isn't bad.

Using the same terminology without referencing it is sneaky and dirty pool.

[SpyreX]

SpyreX, do you have more against Slicey or is it mostly a gut read plus your argument that there's scum somewhere on the Kinetic wagon?

Its mostly gut. Although the response of "If you think he's town and I mimicked him thus I'm town" fairly clearly illustrates the point I was making and why I've got that gut read.

[SpyreX]

Unvote, Vote: q21

I'm not super sold but I want a lynch in.

[SpyreX]

SpyreX, you think Incog is town correct? So how is it that I posted one line that was similar to what he posted make me scummy? Your case makes no sense.

I'm pretty sure my paraphrasing is what he

said

.

[SpyreX]

I am more than a little disinterested at the moment and I was pretty clear about that. The walls of fighting in regards to Kinetic and the empking scandal and, realistically, the speed of this game are pretty good at sapping my energy.

YET, this isn't really a "town" tell. It's just one of those games and I've had them on all sides of the spectrum. Hopefully it'll clear up here right fast.

However, I've been pretty clear. I don't like Tenchi. I don't like Slicey. If I thought with a little energon and a lot of luck I could swing this q21 that way I would. However, q21 isn't a

bad

lynch and the scatterplot on it will be interesting to parse.

[SpyreX]

You're gambling your way into a rope tomorrow good sir. If you're gonna go OHH SNAP META (which is bad) I honestly hope you get called on it if I go through.

- His case on Slicey is COMPLETELY BS (Using same terminology than Incognito, and he thinks Incog is town?) and a lame attempt to fake his town meta. Trust me, if there is someone who can read Spyrex very well is this guy called Tajo.

It wasn't an accident those terms were that similar. It was a conscious choice by Slicey to mimic Incog which definitely makes me think Slicey-scum Incog-town.

Q21 just used more words in his claim than he has for the game. That makes me wroth but he is town or easily caught when push comes to shove.

My problem, however, lies in this:

q21 (5) -- Ojanen, mykonian, Empking, populartajo, imaginality
q21 (4) -- Empking, imaginality, Kinetic, SpyreX

I'm not sold on any of them being scum and a q21-town wagon getting 5 deep (and then a pair of different at 4) all but HAS to have at least a scum in there.

And now there isn't enough time to really parse it.

Unvote, Vote: Slicey

I will be back before deadline and I will vote any wagon through. Yes, even my own.

This apathy (OHH SNAP) needs to die this game. We have multiple players with less posts than the mod and multiple lynches and we're on the verge of getting NONE through.

[SpyreX]

?

I'm saying if q21 is town there HAS to be scum in those groups. The problem is I'm not seeing giant balls of scum there.

And it could be a simple coincidence, sure. That doesn't change that I sure as hell don't think it is.

[SpyreX]

Because I still don't buy Kinetic being scum?

If it comes to it I'll vote that way but not now.

I brought it up because its worth really looking at later - it has, nor did I say it did, nothing to do with my vote for Slicey.

I

don't have the time to parse that. If you want to go nuts.

Of course calling that a cop out when you're voting for me looks like justification for a vote yeehaw.

[SpyreX]

Sigh he probably is scum.

So it goes.

[SpyreX]

...

So, tajo and I are interchangeable for power bus I guess?. Empking is more town than Kinetic meaning you think the whole Kinetic gate was pushing for a mislynch. And imaginality is in there because ?.

Ojanen and myko are town, sure. But so is tajo. Imaginaility and Kinetic give me waaay better vibes than some of the others not there.

[SpyreX]

It wasn't factual but it was RIGHT.

I don't have a read on Empking. A no-read lynch is ok with me at this point.

Kinetic I've covered - that said, if either Empking or Kinetic flip scum though, then Kinetic's obviously clear since Kinetic's been at his neck all game.

See, here's the deal with this and why I brought it up - it runs counter to the other post. Everything about this says Empking is a better lynch than Kinetic based on the meh factor but Empking was the one you were less interested in lynching.

Why is tajo town?

It was a gut thing, mostly. I'll freely admit some paranoia with how the initial "gut" scum read on me which *gasp* was actually part of the town feel is sliding into things like:

- His case on Slicey is COMPLETELY BS (Using same terminology than Incognito, and he thinks Incog is town?) and a lame attempt to fake his town meta. Trust me, if there is someone who can read Spyrex very well is this guy called Tajo.

- Why the hell is Spyrex listening to Empking? WTF?

- Yeah DISINTEREST. Spyrex hates to be scum and he really cant fake his shiny-lulz meta to this game full of superstars.

And the meta angle always, always, always bothers me. Gut scum read? Sure. Bringing that plastic wobbly sword with META on the hilt? Ehhh. Real ehh.

If there was a lot more time it'd be worth looking farther in. A slicey scum flip would be interesting as well. As it sits though? Not a d1 lynch by any measure.

[SpyreX]

Volkan doesn't make sense for a lynch at the mo'. However, neither does incog. Of those 3 it'd be CKD by a margin.

[SpyreX]

Well we could hold hands and lynch Tenchi? That'd be pretty sweet.

[SpyreX]

I'll always hold hands. <3

vollkan (2) -- Kmd4390, mykonian
Kinetic (3) -- vollkan, Slicey, q21
q21 (2) -- Empking, imaginality
Incognito (2) -- Hoopla, Ojanen
Hoopla (1) -- Tenchi
SpyreX (2) -- Incognito, populartajo
Slicey (1) - SpyreX
imaginality (2) - Kinetic, curiouskarmadog

It really dawned on me how ridiculous this is. We've got about 30 hours to turn this into something useful.

And with q21's claim the only one I REALLY want to lynch out of that whole list is Slicey. Sigh.

[SpyreX]

OR THIS ABOVE.

Seriously can we do this I can make lots of arguments however you want but if I can't have Slicey and or Tenchi I'd sure eat an empking.

Unvote, Vote: Empking

[SpyreX]

LOL, OMG YOU ARE SO FUNNY POP HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA WHEN DID YOU GET SO FUNNY!!!!!!!.

Shit, sorry, the sarcasm button got stuck. Was that really necessary? Its obvious I'm going to get lynched, what did that little jab accomplish other than making you look like a jerk?

Just lynch me already, find out you're wrong and than take out the scum on my early wagon. Frankly most of this wagon reeks of scum, but obviously I'm the only one who notices.

Hey now I called it too but that is because I'm also scum with you and you're not bussing me remember.

Kudos if I'm wrong about you though. Of course, I'm not, but whooo.

Q21 killing me tonight isn't a BAD idea. However, if you have my flip go ahead and in the MULTIPLE LYNCHES THAT BETTER HAPPEN TOMORROW make sure Empking goes. Slicey and Tenchi would be awesome too.

Additionally a callout on taj and perhaps a lynch that way would be sweet because this house built of SURE FIRE META (TM) needs to burn.

Watching Kinetic get called out for voting empking and then watching empking throw down a no words vote which, realistically, is the last straw and the net result being what it is makes me all stoked to do all kinds of I told you so dances in the future when Kin flips town AND whoooooo nelly if Emp flips scum too.

[SpyreX]

See you've mentioned this more than once and while I liked myko's post a lot it still wasn't SNAP DEATH TIME so I'm not sure what you're aimin for?

I mean if you really want me to vote you I will but?

[SpyreX]

More than once being twice in direct relation to myko because I wanted his thoughts on tenchi and if I could have had two lynches today (INSTEAD OF ZERO ZING) you'd have been a solid number two.

And that's it. Nothing "changed" with how I'm looking at you but other issues have shifted and your relative position moves around with flake-o-rama happening AND the wagon round one on Kinetic soo

[SpyreX]

p.s. I'm not gonna be around at deadline to claim since I'm at work so unless you're scum hoping you'll swipe a PR with my lynch, it should be obvious that Kinetic is Today's lynch whether you agree with it or not.

This vexes me to no end.

However, there flat out isn't enough time. And there is plenty of lynches tomorrow.

Unvote, Vote: Kinetic

[SpyreX]

This stops now.

We are not lynching anyone else today. Period.

The time for that was long past and the simple fact I threw down a vote because I was worried about 0 lynches sure as hell doesn't mean two.

TOMORROW, there will be a purge. A delicious one. We're not doing this again.

Take a shot if you want tonight q21 - I'm not going to cry if I die but a Kinetic town flip better be a damn bullseye on Empking.

[SpyreX]

It's not happening.

I would love for it to, but its not.

[SpyreX]

I'll give it a shot but its a pipe dream.

Unvote, Vote: Incog

[SpyreX]

Either way its 5 shades past worthless and I really didn't like it. Especially in addition to being gone until after deadline.

[SpyreX]

I'm not surprised that Empking was scum. I AM a little surprised that he was a goon considering the Empking defense squad.

IF Tajo, Incog, KMD and Slicey go I'll decend to the darkness without too much issue. Remember Tenchi for the future though.

Vote: Incognito

[SpyreX]

I'm actually having a night out on the town so don't expect too much but:

1.) Slicey votes under the guise "nothing has changed since d1". Roger that A++ effort would read again.
2.) Having good feelings about Incog evaporate real quick when its "I'm not claiming, you're all just the scum trying to find PR's (although I'm gonna spin this as not a PR claim promise)" If I felt really cool and decided to iso and you were silly enough to have ANY posts on site between that post and deadline you'd be lynched without conversation.
And sure there's "an issue" with me trying to get you lynched after saying there wouldn't be another lynch because GETTING ONE THROUGH was like pulling teeth and Kinetic opted to raise the "I'm town yo" flag before the flip and I loooove murderin people so you're damn straight I would have got that lynch through.

Today needs to be a swath of blood. I'd be willing to gamble ohh half the players out if I had my way. As it sits I want these wagons moving. 2 lynches isn't even enough. I want 3. I'd love 4 - hell I'd even jump on the sword as #5 if I could make that happen.

[SpyreX]

And if someone has some druthers and wants to invest a little time go back and look at how many people (and which ones) were on Kinetic for "policy lynching".

There IS 100% absolutely .nofoolin' another scum in there.

[SpyreX]

CKD is probably town for reasons Ojanen went into - going into a tailspin right now doesn't add up.

Tenchi

needs

to be lynched today after that amazing piece of contribution.
Slicey needs to go.
Tajo may have one more day. May. I'm still debating because I'm not stoked at all with these blinders.

I'm saying we clean house and then talk about lynches that seem to have some real opinions attached.

Unvote, Vote: Tenchi.

Make this happen, fast like and then we can move on (to Slicey)

[SpyreX]

I want the slicey lynch through sooner than later.
I'd also REALLY like the incog lynch after looking at a pair of queens and their important words during my weekend absence.

I doubt anyone else has that gamblin itch but, theoretically, we could throw the dice today for everything. I have the rumblings of a plan.

[SpyreX]

Good lord I thought I was voting for slicey. Wooo for exhausted posting.

Unvote, Vote: Slicey

The CKD vote?

More generally, and I think a consequence of RL committments, I've lost my bearings in this game. I'm preparing a 0-100 summary of everyone

.

The absence of anything. There is nothing there.

[SpyreX]

If you give me Slicey & Tenchi for sure I'll take the blade. If I get bladed I would like Incog today.

After you see my flip I want Tajo to kick it up. IF Incog is scum I want him lynched, period.

[SpyreX]

I still didn't get much from reading the last few pages but as of right now, I'm thinking we probably need to decide on at least one lynch from the following group of people Today:

vollkan
Slicey
imaginality
populartajo
SpyreX

vollkan, Slicey,

Empking

, Incognito, imaginality, populartajo, SpyreX,

Kinetic

Seriously you just came in with "lets lynch someone on the wagon that isn't me" without even having the gumption to flat out say it.

You put slicey on your little list there (which is awesome after yesterday) so why not throw that vote down? The faster we get business done the sooner we can pull our swords out and duel. Real style.

That isn't for now though. Now is for cleaning shop.

I want votes up or reasons not to on Slicey. Then we're going to do that same dance a few more times before we get to serious business.

There will be purging by fire.

[SpyreX]

While I actually get to pat myself on the back this game some I can't not give mad props to the murderbot 9000 that was q21.

Well done.

[SpyreX]

You were driving me nuts all game Tajo because I knew deep down you were town BUT STILL.

No hate though only <3