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It's pregame, but I'll remember that.
Now, links to your games, please?
Also, questions (for everyone):
1. How would you define your playstyle?
2. Do you plan to play differently this game than in your other games, or will you be sticking to your meta?
3. Do you know your win/loss record here on MS? What is it?
4. Can you link us to any of your past games?
5. What is your opinion on lurking?
6. How active will you be this game?
7. Are you scum? If so, who are your scumbuddies?
8. Which people here do you know and/or have played with before?
9. How large will your posts normally be?
10. What do you think players should do when a thread is open for pre-game chat?This time, I'll not care.-
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Thanks.
Meta is like how your playstyle was like in past games. For example, if you've always self voted at L-1 in your past games, it is part of your meta and one can reason that you will likely do this in your current and future games. When you break your pattern, like by not self-voting when you usually do, this is usually you changing your meta.
The Scum are the minority that the Townies [the majority] wish to eliminate. A scumbuddy is a ally of a player who is Scum and is almost always also Scum.
When you say overanalyze, do you mean that you often think too hard about people and WIFOM [see the Mafiascum wiki to look up terms you don't know]?
Your avatar made me think you were someone else for a second...
I've been meaning to join debate.org for a while. I didn't know they played mafia there. Do you know of the debateapedia? It's helped me a lot in school since I've found it.
Oh. I should answer my own Q's.This time, I'll not care.-
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Also, questions (for everyone):
1. How would you define your playstyle?
A work in progress. One day it'll be solid, but not (too) aggressive. I hope the two don't contradict.
2. Do you plan to play differently this game than in your other games, or will you be sticking to your meta?
I'll be playing better than my last games, hopefully, but probably not very differently.
3. Do you know your win/loss record here on MS? What is it?
I've got one ongoing game besides this one. I'm a dead townie there so you could get some insight, at least.
4. Can you link us to any of your past games?
Yes, but not right now. Atm I am on a mobile (therefore terrible) browser
5. What is your opinion on lurking?
It's stupid. Only scummy when done in a scummy way, but I won't like you if you do it, either way. Regardless, Lynch All Lurkers is antitown and borderline scummy.
6. How active will you be this game?
Excessive until...School starts.
7. Are you scum? If so, who are your scumbuddies?
Is the answer to this question "No"?
8. Which people here do you know and/or have played with before?
Shotty. I have mixed feelings about him. You'll see.
9. How large will your posts normally be?
Big. But I take care to make them either not too big, easy to read, or have a concise summary below them.
10. What do you think players should do when a thread is open for pre-game chat?Engage in pregame chat. I think, an early and casual RS (preferably a RQS and not an RVS) can help get the game off to a good start before it starts.
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Sure you do. We'll see.Korashk wrote:
That's what I thought. Then I don't really have a meta.Prox wrote:Meta is like how your playstyle was like in past games.
What you're thinking of are VIs, or villiage idiots. The scum and their scumbuddies are the bad guys. The townies are the good guys.
I assume that this refers to players that play stupidly, not mafia members. We have a few of those at debate.org/The Scum are the minority that the Townies [the majority] wish to eliminate. A scumbuddy is a ally of a player who is Scum and is almost always also Scum.
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I did WIFOM when I first started to play, since then I've toned it down. Occam's Razor and all that jazz.When you say overanalyze, do you mean that you often think too hard about people and WIFOM [see the Mafiascum wiki to look up terms you don't know]?
Ya, it's actually almost my turn to mod another small game. I actually prefer modding to playing. There are a lot of members, but only about 50 actives. it's a fairly tight-knit online community.I've been meaning to join debate.org for a while. I didn't know they played mafia there.
Sounds nice. I'll join soon.This time, I'll not care.-
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The reason for the Q's are meant to incur discussion and then accusations, leading to more discussion and time better spent than on Random votes. Not to speed up or hurt the Town's Day but to make it more accurate.zwetschenwasser wrote:prox, your questions seem mostly pointless. You're asking us to give you constraints on ourselves that you seem to be hoping to be able to use against us later on, which I find scummy. Your question 7 and 8 are typical from scum in the beginning of games, and 3 and 10 are just useless.
@shotty: No. Playing mafiascum is supposed to be fun, remember?This time, I'll not care.-
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Knowing that they all have little point, he probably didn't want to go through the effort of picking and choosing. This is the pregame: not much effort is really supposed to be necessary.Doombunny9 wrote:Also @kat- Even though Prox's questions are mainly about meta, why didn't you answer the questions that weren't? I find it odd to refuse to answer all of a set of questions when only some don't apply to you.
Almost everyone has posted. Shouldn't D1 start right about now?This time, I'll not care.-
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Yes and No about what?
Also, voting zwet is stupid. He just claimed cop. You want to lynch him now?
He can't have done so for no reason. He seems to be expirienced, and knows early claims are antitown.
If he's scum and lying, then he is taking too huge risks too soon and soon enough we'll have him.
Obviously, NO ONE SHOULD COUNTERCLAIM RIGHT NOW IF THEY ARE COP.
Its possible that another limited cop is out there, for starters and we'll have 2 claimed cops D1. Useful.
If there's a full cop out there, then zwit is a ballsy lying scumbag who should only be counterclaimed when a sufficient # of claims are done.
I do hope zwet can explain further soon. The suspense would kill me.This time, I'll not care.-
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That would be...3 confirmed roles right off the bat if the other guy claims now.
If he claims later...then its one new role per Day. If zwet isn't NKed.
Since zwet has already claimed, then it makes sense for the other guy to do so, too. Like 2 innocent childs and a free scan.This time, I'll not care.-
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Sorry, I had a flashback ^^
unvote; vote doombunny
Snow, doom; you get how I confuse the two.
Why did you only focus on that one person who confirmed and left?
I'm only trying to reason what we should do in this situation. If zwet announces his scan target, then at least the other guy will know the deal. That way, if zwet is killed, his scan doesn't beome worthless. If the other guy claims, we'll have 3 confirmed townies or 2 and a found scum. If we do nothing, there is little benefit unless one of the three is brought to L-1 today.
I can get the not claiming part, but I don't understand the waiting until the claim to announce the player scanned.
But whatever- that's zwet's and his associate's choice.This time, I'll not care.-
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That's silly. It makes sense for the other half-cop to claim now that zwet has. I'm being accused of rolefishing on this, but no one has told me why this opinion is wrong.
How am I testing the waters to see who would make a good mislynch? I'm trying to evoke responses to get the game moving.
If my vote for someone has a weak reason, shouldn't I change it anyways? And how is it scummy to do so anyway? Isn't voting at a whim thesameas voting for little reason?
Oh crap. More metaphors.This time, I'll not care.-
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I was thinking I was the one targetted by zwet thx to our altercation earlier. That might partially account for my thoughts on what he should do next.
Zwet stated that he would announce his target after the claim.
I thought that the confirmation of 3 roles could help us achieve a more accurate lynch, and more likely that the announcement of the scan's target would also help the town without revealing the other half cop. I don't see the Doc as a surefire role in this game.
If eagerness at the start of Day 1 is scummy, next game I play I'll just lurk. Most my statements so far Today have been created to incur discussion that can be analyzed. That is my priority on Day 1.
My vote on shotty wasn't because he had unvoted late, but for the suspiciousness of his voting pattern all in all. I didn't explain my vote thouroughly because it was still only an early vote, as strong as an FoS.
There; I answered several Q's in the preceding. G2g sorry.This time, I'll not care.-
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My plan was more based on zwet announcing his target in case of his death, and speculative of the possibility of his peer claiming- as he said he was not going to announce his target until the claim. This made me speculate, perhaps wrongly (?), about the benefit of having 3 confirmed roles on Day 1.
I'm not as excited for this game as I am eager for it to progress (and begin to get fun).
My eagerness has nothing to do with zwet's roleclaim and my response to it- its just me reacting to a new situation.
Also, sorry about the quality and format of my posts: I'm on mobile.This time, I'll not care.-
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I'm sorry. I've gotten a little bored with this.
I would defend myself, but the defense would only involve an admittance of my failure as a thinker and then stubbornness to admit it. If the gist of that isn't good enough, then obviously I need more votes.
I think I could work myself up to do a pbpa of everyone who matters within now and Sunday. I need a Desktop computer to do this, and that explains the wait.
Sorry for the inactivity. My brooding over my lynchworthy mistake and a lack of action in the thread dissasuaded me. But flaking would only annoy me forever. I'll take whatever happens.This time, I'll not care.-
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Actually, now that I look at it, I haven't done anything worth getting lynched over.
All I did was
1. Ask questions.
2. Make weak votes (at the start of Day 1).
3. Act eager for progress (?)
4. Rolefish
And all accusations can be refuted and actions explained, easily enough. In due time...This time, I'll not care.-
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So I messed up. There. I said it. At first I ignored the possibility of a doc, then I tried to stay consistent, and then this. Lynch me if you must, but I hope I can change your minds.
My weak votes were weak because I was in the searching phase of finding scum. I like to vote for a lot of players at the start of the game to provoke suspect responses such as wagons or fence sitting or opportunism from other players or scummy responses by the attacked themselves, like overreaction and OMGUS. From there I move forward and develop reads.
All other accusations seem stupid and WIFOMy to me and I'll need more pressure to care about them.This time, I'll not care.-
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Thoughts:
Shotty is most scummy. My vote for his late unvote wasn't very weak. More on that soon.
Pacman was strange here. Why didn't he vote for me?pacman281292 wrote:Sorry for my jerk posts; I was completely lost (I got ninja'd when the game started, then I was clueless about what was going on).
Now, back to the game:
Prox: I do think you are being waay too overeager. I'llunvotebecause RVS is over.
I'll reread, and post something more meaningful later (maybe tomorrow).
Ah. G2g now. More on shotty later.This time, I'll not care.-
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Weird. Even the structure of my posts feel different. I guess this is just not my Day. Sigh.
My vote because of Shotty's late unvote was weak in itself but was validated by its response.
Recap:
Here, shotty begins to act fishy by responding to a cop claim by voting for him. The difference between this and Korashk's vote is twofold.drmyshottyizsik wrote:Unvote
Vote: zwetschen
WTF!! did you just soft claim?
1. Korashk, though badly, gave an explanation for his vote. It was reflective of Korashk's history of an off-site scummer (yes you do have a meta).
2. Korashk was quick to unvote zwet after he had clarified, and was able to explain his vote with another example of popular off-site game theory. Shotty, on the other hand, continued to vote for the claimed cop until he was finished role fishing out the cop's other half.
Why?drmyshottyizsik wrote:I want to know if he knows who his partner.
Here he unvotes late. He says that the reason he did so was because he liked to do things slowly and with thought. The only issue with this excuse is that it is a lie. Shotty had spontaneously voted for zwet with little thought at all. Why would shotty lie about this if he were town? What does he have to hide?drmyshottyizsik wrote:Unvote, cause of his claim
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Clarify: I believe that during the pregame, people were given a chance to use their active abilities, including zwet and his scan.Katsuki wrote:The only thing before D1 is N0... clarify what you are saying. Pre-game means the game hadn't started yet, and hence no one could perform any actions prior to start of D1. That is what N0s are for.
If this game is day start, then no actions have been performed yet. I have never heard of anyone acting before N1 in a day start.
If this game is night start, then mafia got no kill off, as I saw no mention of anyone dying, and that what you are saying in terms of zwet scanning you is true.
Why would zwet claim if he hadn't already targetted someone? I could swear that he's talked in past tense about his role before.This time, I'll not care.-
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