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Why would scum be more likely to realize Day 1 began than scum?Socrates wrote:I suspect some of the players that haven't posted yet don't know that day 1 has begun, as there was no notification as such. Minor town tell for all of them.Mod: can you notify the players that haven't posted yet that the game has begun?
I want to stop that sort of thing before it starts, but it looks like it's too late.SocioPath wrote:Man I want to see a VI vs. VI fight.
I don't think I've ever really got to see one of those before.
We could even take side betting.
How? And I note you broke your own three-paragraph policy in the very post you suggested it. Classy.Furcolow wrote:Town Cohesion will come through people waking up and performing as a collective as opposed to subjective. WE should pressure together, tunnel together, FoS together, and lynch together. I want not one to be held accountable, but all. This will root out scum if we do it, mark my words.
Yes, this. The Townies who aren't policy-lynch pushers are more likely to be the sort who take the theory arguments against policy lynches in general seriously and fight all policy lynches staunchly. But the very reaction:Socrates wrote:
Thats exactly what I mean by riding shotgun on the wagon. You aren't going to push the wagon, but yay pressure!Friend wrote:@Socrates: First off, I'm not on the wagon, which you seem to have missed. I don't want him lynched but I'm not fighting actively to diffuse it or anything - it's just an early-day wagon and those are always good. I don't think he has said enough to draw a conclusion, yet, honestly, although I'm leaning towards town. What do you think? Is he town or scum?
It gives me strong feeling of 'who me? but I didn't do anything scummy at all; how could you suspect me if I'm not on the wagon?!' out of scum who thought he'd made a safe choice which wouldn't draw undue attention.Friend wrote:@Socrates: First off, I'm not on the wagon, which you seem to have missed. I don't want him lynched but I'm not fighting actively to diffuse it or anything - it's just an early-day wagon and those are always good.
I don't happen to like his analysis of Ani's logic here, either:
Ani never said Furcolow acts scummy as Town; he said that he provides poor reasoning and acts scummy across the board. He never said Furcolow acting scummy = Furcolow Town. The implication made, that Ani had reason to believe that Furcolow was, due to his behavior, Town, is completely illegitimate.Friend wrote:1. Furcolow acts scummy as town.
2. Furcolow is in this game and acting scummy.
3. You want to policy lynch him for his behavior, even though he acts this way as town.
4. You want to lynch town.
Not sure if I'm on the right track or not, but UNVOTE: Wraith
VOTE: Friend
Re: Furcolow and Ani. I dislike Furcolow more. Furcolow's shifting around of his strong suspicion seems, well, doesn't seem as organic as Town-based play like this I've seen, possibly because it hasn't been accompanied by votes, just provoking suggestions. His aggression is related and annoying, but by itself it's not a sign of anything. Shoving various things in our faces - like that he's never been lynched as scum - is distracting and WIFOM-y; if he's doing it on purpose as Town, he's being disingenuous. The three-paragraph policy and related suggestions seemed to test his ability to direct the Town at this stage in the game; in any case, the policy itself is a poor idea; I'm still thinking about its scumminess, but I should have some more words on that soonish. It all may be a front on Furc's part, but I'm starting to dislike playing with him, at any rate; it may get better. Ani seems null, maybe slightly Townish from what I recall of his play in other games.
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Who says you're not trying to distance yourself from the wagon? I think it's eminently possible.Friend wrote:Why is this bad? The wagon isn't going to lead to a lynch on page 5. I'm obviously not trying to distance myself from the wagon, and pressure leads to information which leads to finding scum.-
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No, I think you're intelligent enough (wait, were you the one mentioning his ACT scores after I died in Stars Aligned II or was that someone else?).Furcolow wrote:@plum, pardon you not liking my play so far, and I'm not familiar with "disingenuous". dis- usually implies negative connotations, and ingenious is definitely what I am, as I have a very high I.Q.
I'm assuming you're saying that if I'm town my mental capability is in question, and I take offense to that. I appreciate you saying that I have strong ability, or at least implying it.
I actually think we both may have used the word incorrectly. I mean that you're making a poor estimation of what will actually help the Town, if you're doing it in an attempt to help the Town.
Soc - fair enough, I suppose.
Saying that you're supporting the wagon while also screaming 'but I'm not actually voting him!' screams distancing from something which you are actually actively pushing.Friend wrote:I am admitting that I'm not trying to distance myself from the wagon. I've said I support the wagon. That's the opposite of distancing.
The only meta ani had of Furc was his TOWN META. That means that he had only seen Furcolow acting scummy AS TOWN.Plum wrote: Ani never said Furcolow acts scummy as Town; he said that he provides poor reasoning and acts scummy across the board. He never said Furcolow acting scummy = Furcolow Town. The implication made, that Ani had reason to believe that Furcolow was, due to his behavior, Town, is completely illegitimate.
When you made that post, the bit you commented on, Ani had mentioned Furc's meta in general. He said "I'm lynching you because I've taken a look in several other games, and you have providedterriblereasoning in every game, and you act even more scummy than I DO." He made no mention of whether Furc had been Town, scum, or a mix in those several games from which the meta had been drawn. He implied no likeliness of Furc to be Town in consideration of his play, only that he consistently provided poor reasoning and acted scummy.-
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Oh, so you don't support the Furc wagon, officially?
Good to know.
In any case, Soc is right. Whether or not Furc's even been scum here, his point was not that he had a distinct Townread on Furc and wanted to lynch him. The point was that Ani wanted to lynch him regardless of alignment. He certainly had intimated no specific read on Furc at that point (and if Furc's only been Town, not deviating from a meta of providing poor reasoning and acting scummy wouldn't be an indication that he's Town, just that he's still Furc with certain tendencies which may be null in Furc's play).-
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My suggestion, as I think my original statements implied, included not throwing out WIFOM-generating statements such as 'I've never been lynched as scum' at the Town; it's generally distracting and confusing, more than enough to outweigh any reactions you think you're going to get out of it. Also good options for Town would probably include not wasting time getting people talking about a three-paragraph policy.
Incidentally, you never answered my question re: that policy:
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How?Furcolow wrote:Town Cohesion will come through people waking up and performing as a collective as opposed to subjective. WE should pressure together, tunnel together, FoS together, and lynch together. I want not one to be held accountable, but all. This will root out scum if we do it, mark my words.-
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Or, Friend would say, Soc is 'horribly misguided'. So Friend, what do you think now: Is Soc horribly misguided, bussing, or distancing from a bandwagon on a Townie, and why?AGar wrote:Or... he doesn't think it's a good lynch? Why does every time someone opposes a lynch have to be scum-driven? Should all townies mindlessly bandwagon based off of what one or two people say?
What is THIS supposed to be? A nigh-random vote? Given that as a whole we haven't a clue what smoke/light means/does and that you explicitly said that speculation is probably not good (at the same time you indulged in speculation . . .)? You only explain the vote/give it some context/a case considerably after this was posted. Really, what possessed you to vote Mothrax? Elaborate. Then again . . . I have a nagging suspicion that your speculation is closest to what's actually going down. Ugh.Friend wrote:Yeah, VIs do suck, but they can be town too. Lynching them on policy is not right.
I've decided that ani's caps lock rage is giving me a towntell, somewhat.
unvote, vote: mothrax
I'm following the smoke!
Soc's Post #278 is a thing of beauty. I have nothing to add but that Seb should get a taste of rope now.
Second reason is halfway decent; first reason is more of that WIFOM crud I suggested STRONGLY you not attempt. Against my will I have a slight townread on you so for the love of everything holy (ha) stop. It's distracting and counterproductive.Furcolow wrote:
I am not a medic.Sebguer wrote:Back to activity. Haven't fully read yet- any amazing revelations that go against Furc being scum?
unvote
glad noone voted me when I voted me
I was voting me because I wouldn't ever do that as scum
therefore, I am not scum
I already knew that, but I was trying to prove it to you all
I was also doing it for another reason. I wanted to see if I would get smoke on that post. I was "taking one for the team", sort of.
If you actually believed thatWraith wrote:Wild Speculation Incoming: Furcolow is a town power role masquerading VI to avoid a night kill.whywould you say so out loud in the thread? Huh? Why did you say that, please???
All right, this is it. You've just made yourself into an active liability to the Town as opposed to a latent one, assuming you're Town at all. If there's a Vig. You there. Shoot this fellow. Please.Furcolow wrote:ok, guys, i'm going to go ahead and claim
I am just a townie. This wagon on me will be a mislynch if I am lynched. I wanted to act blue and draw a hit to help our team, but this pressure is unfounded and unwanted.
But I do! Come on, people, we still have about 2/3 of Day 1 left! No need to go all powerlynchy. It should not even enter our minds. Deadline isSocrates wrote:I might be up for a Wraith power lynch if the Friend wagon dies, since people seem to not care the sebguer is scum.notone of our problems right now.
Crowded weekend; I had to catchup some huge amount. But I missed you <3Socrates wrote:In other news: Hey Plum! Where'd you go? Post in this game! Its where all the cool kids are at! Don't think I didn't see you post in your Hydra.
The heck.
I'm under the impression that Vezo is a major VI. BUT.
UNVOTE: Friend
VOTE: Vezo
The above post. Is. Unless I am missing something as I've yet to catch up (crowded weekend). SO TREMENDOUSLY SCUMMY MY EYEBALLS MIGHT POP OUT OF THEIR SOCKETS AND RUN AWAY TO CANADA. Even as a joke, thisreeksof scum. REEKS.
Friend wagon is good. Seb wagon would be great if it happened. VEZO WAGON IS BACK ON! (I'm not sure about Wraith wagon. Distancing/whatever from the Friend wagon isn't good but it's not v. conclusive. Maybe I need to reread Friend, see if this is any worse/better . . .)
BUT Wraith deflecting the 'you're going to flip Town?' question IS major scumpoints.Dingdingdingding Fate.
WRAITH what was your gambit?
It's a bit quick for L-2 maybe? I'd be down for a Wraith lynch after that fiasco BUT wanna hear from Seb and VEZO who's scummier than . . . too many scummy persons here; if there's a Vig, while Furc has just made himself an active liability I'd sympatize with you shooting him but it's not the first priority against the slew of people too scummy to know what to do with. Over and out.-
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Seriously need answers here. Is there anyone who has played/studied the behavior of Town-Vezo vs. scum-Vezo? Hmmm? Because this is the sort of VI/scumminess I wish I could read but am simply reading as scummy because I have no feel for it . . .
OR OPPORTUNISM.SocioPath wrote:Wraith gets NOTHING SAID ABOUT HIM AT ALL.
THEN I STATE SOMETHING.
*WHAMMO*
MASSIVE WAGON.
I DIDNT EVEN MAKE SPECIFICS.
I MEAN HELL, THE FIRST THING THAT SERIOUSLY BOTHERED ME WAS ON PAGE 7.
WHICH WAS SEVEN. PAGES. BEFORE. I SAID ANYTHING.
THE GAME GREW TO TWICE AS BIG, AND NO ONE SAID A DAMN WORD.
I DROP ONE LINE AND ONE VOTE AND SUDDENLY I AM THE PARAGON OF ALL THAT IS HOLY?!
YES HE WAS SCUMMY.
BUT IF THAT IS SO TRUE FOR THE REST OF YOU...THEN WHY SIT BACK AND BASK TIL ME?
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THIS WAGON IS BUS.
Why am I feeling very little Iecerint presence in this game? Is this a bad, scummy sign? Tabs will be kept.
Considering this comes after all of the above, my gut twitches. Could be harmless, could be scum not willing to commit to a position on a delicate wagon. Also was pacman voting anyone this period or what, because I see multiple FOSes and no votes. Oh, voting Furc, was it? Hmm?pacman281292 wrote:Gotta iso Wraith. He's acting quite odd lately...
How could you guys let the Vezo wagon die like that?
The above bit, where Vezo discredits the wagon on him with no reasoning stated leaves a BAD taste in my mouth.vezokpiraka wrote:I see a wraith wagon full of townies. And a vez wagon full of scum.
Wraith not talking about the wagon makes me think that he knows all people from his wagon are town so he doesn't want to lynch them.
Then again . . .Friend wrote:After that votecount, I'm a whoooole lot more comfortable being with the people on the Wraith wagon than the vezo wagon.
unvote, vote: Wraith
Tone here makes me think Town. Violently against my will, but I'm starting to doubt myself. With a Town so chock-full of noise and lacking directed content, two miserable bandwaons on Town is entirely a possibility. Ughhhh. Then again, Me-Weird claims meta that this isn't Vezo-Town -vezokpiraka wrote:No no you idiot.
I got smoke for saying something bad about the game.
If I say something good I should get light or the good stuff who is it called.@Me=Weird, source(s)?
*headdesk* This indicisiveness is reading leaning scum, not leaning town read out of it. The 'I don't want to hammer' syntax and tone especially seem to be the product of not wanting to be saddled with blame which might lead to suspicion. Doesn't even give an idea why he doubts Wraith as Town, just that he doubts Vezo as not being a better wagon - mentality is scum debating between two competing wagons? I DO NOT LIKE.pacman281292 wrote:The post above me is AtE. No good.
Blergh, no idea on what to do. I'm not hammering wraith; his actions while over pressure haven't been good, but vezo's deffenses were poor, even for such a poor wagon as his was at the beginning.
Wait, why? THIS IS AN IMPORTANT QUESTION. Aso pacman's next post pander to Soc prodding him about aving his vote on Furc BUT doesn't commit to anything WHIILE incriminating Wraith - as if he's afraid he might have to hammer soon or risk suspicion.
FATE I love you, but my enthusiasm for you is dampened by your jump on Furc there at the hight of the Faith thing at L-1. Really makes me take a step back from my EZPASS on you not getting scrutinized Day 1, given stuff. BUT the revote is consistent with you in general . . . hmmmm.
BUT pacman is still dithering.
This. I still hold to the Townread BUT.zwetschenwasser wrote:furcolow's excuse for bandwagoning = shameless and suspicious
FINALLY Pacman hammers, BUT due to dithering he earns no townpoints. Nice try, scumbag.
Hmmmm? I rise my eyebrows. Does this mean . . . if we don't manage a lynch in the required time, there'll be no 'Night' kill? I'm not into testing this out but ye gods, I want more clues to this mechanic so we can exploit it. This is Vi toying with usVi wrote:-The remaining battery power was converted!
Also not good, also not enough to shift you over to the scum side.Furcolow wrote:what the fuck
i said wraith is town
bandwagon me when i was right? he was green dumbasses
I spy with my little eye a player who is not interested in examining a meaty part of Day 1 and hasn't contributed new stuff in how long? Shenanigans. My finger of suspicion itches.Iecerint wrote:Vote: Beefster. He was my favorite wagon yesterday until Wraith's shenanigans.
Someone should show me the scummy thing that Furc did during the Wraith wagon.
Marry me?SocioPath wrote:VOTE: PACMAN
I THINK MY WORK HERE IS DONE.
Dude. Not helping my feelings about your alignment. In context. Brrrr.Iecerint wrote:Unvote; Vote: Me=Weird.
I'd forgotten about you.
Sources. ME=WEIRD STILL HASN'T GIVEN HIS, HAS HE? OR I MISSED SOMETHING?zwetschenwasser wrote:vezok is playing to town meta.
Vezo MAY still be an awesome wagon.
Iecerint 613-619 is a bunch of mechanics speculation and no content. ARGH.
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Quiet!!!!!
Seriously. The noise/content ratio is horrendous. There are too many people with one annoying playstyle to deal with, and that's AFTER the deaths of Wraith and Fate.
This is sad.
Nothing productive will happen when everything is like this. When everyone is spending most of his time yelling at the people he suspects instead of sitting down and doing some analysis. Bad things happen. It becomes a miasma of hostility.
No scumhunting will get done if we each devote ourselves exclusively to catfighting.
I want everyone to list three different living players who have done suspicious things and briefly describe why each action noted impressed upon you that the actor was scummy. Please also list one Townread; you needn't explain why, but please list anyway.
I would also like everyone to lay off the all-caps. Too much in one game really does work like shouting; it impresses but it drowns out useful, thoughtful conversation.
We need sanity here. We need calm, not bluster. We do not need blathering. If you seriously believe something, state your point clearly once. Do not spend a page spamming about it, nor spamming in response to someone else.
Too much noise and we drown out the sound of scum. That's what's going on now - scum taking advantage of a Town which cannot hold itself together enough to focus on collective scumhunting.
This uninformed majority demands unity. Now.
I was going to just get together all the sanish people who haven't been infected by this and on whom I have mild Townreads, and the new replacement, to help me restore order and sweep through doing proper analytica scumhunting. I'd have taken Socrates, SocioPath, curiouskarmadog - but then I realized that it wouldn't be enough. It wouldn't change things nearly enough.
This is a call to the entire Town, not just to my Townreads, nor any other single player or group. Everyone must participate in making this Town a scumunting machine which is productive, which can help sort the grain from the chaff. Otherwise the scum will have an easy time hiding out among Townies who aren't willing to modify their playstyles enough to make the game workable.
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It's not necessarily suspicion, but I'm certainly not getting a warm fuzzy feeling from your play, and I often get that from you when we play together. I have reservations about you bceause of stuff I mentioned and the general vibe I just described and I kinda wish I didn't because you're one of the few players here not using a variation of the obnoxious/annoying playstyle.-
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Yes, but I felt that too substantial a portion of your play was mechanics-focused as opposed to scumhunting focused. Reading you in ISO that feeling is tamped down a bit but some things are still a bit odd.Iecerint wrote:My spam was so that a hypothetical player in charge of warm/yucky light messages could give us information about how to interpret them, if you didn't quite follow what I was doing.
I have an exam tomorrow, but will do your exercise after that.
Where did the LL vote play into all that, then?Iecerint wrote:Vote: Beefster. He was my favorite wagon yesterday until Wraith's shenanigans.
AGAR: The mothrax case looks fairly decent, though I admit the only part that moves me so very much is the fact that he strongly attacked ani for pushing a policy lynch at all (the rest is less conclusive and would seem to go either way, and I'm not seeing too heavy a contradiction).
Hmmmm, hmmmm. Rings honest, slight townread on those sentences.AGar wrote:Funnily enough, about a month ago, I'd crucify you for asking for this.
LL, what's your read on me now/as of page 28?
What about that post rang Townie to you?Me=Weird wrote:Scums: Vezo, I've already said why. His posts since then haven't helped him. Furcolow. I've also said why for him. And I guess Friend, but I'm about to check into him. Either a case will be up, or a different scumpick.
Town: You. That post is why.
It's sad, but I have heard worse ideas.Furcolow wrote:Our problem this game: The town is WAY TOO SPLIT
Our solution: consolidate around Furcolow
Let me be your voice of reason lol
And me as well, but against my will my read on Friend has shifted from scummy to just plain afsbjdglsj[p;efjbe;.Socrates wrote:
Your pendantry amuses me.Friend wrote:especially =/= because
Why is Soc one of your scumreads?mothrax wrote:scumreads should be obvious:
Furc for the reasons previously listed. His actions late D-1 are redic. And his defense is weak at best.
AGar- Regardless of actions, he seems to be acting as Plum!lapdog. His hipocracy in rtfts is also noted.
Other than that, You and Soc are up there... this whole cry for help/unison while on the surface, townish, reads as almost rehearsed, like scum planned it out.
And as for townreads, you aren't priviledged enough to have that.
Furc IS Town, unless I'm much mistaken.
MARRY ME???SocioPath wrote:
Say it IN CAPS LIKE YOU MEAN IT.Plum wrote:
Marry me?SocioPath wrote:VOTE: PACMAN
I THINK MY WORK HERE IS DONE.
OR IT WOULD NEVER WORK OUT.
I like CKD's intro post, goes a fair way towards mitigating the Sebguer read.
Yes, but if a replacement comes in and acts actively Town it can be a legitimate basis for revising or revisiting a scumread.Friend wrote:Sebguer's play was scummy. Just because a replacement comes in and acts less scummy doesn't change that.
pacman281292 wrote:Syntax? Tone? How the hell does this part of your attack work?
In fact, I wasn't totally sure about Wraith. It was annoying to see him just whining about don't caring about the game anymore. It was scummy too, and altough I made the wrong call there, his attitude was really hurting us. His defense posts were just, either trying to push the other wagon, or AtEing on the form of "oh well lynch me and see me flip town". NOT putting good reasoning on either way.
"I'm not hammering Wraith" reads "I don't want to be saddled with the stigma of having hammered Wraith" (yes, there's a degree of subjectivity here, but a phrasing like "I don't want to vote Wraith because I'm not very sure at all he's scum". Moreover instead of explaining at all the you doubted he was scum you throw out a weakish attack on someone else to justify staying off the wagon - it did not seem like sincere doubt, but more like you'd not reached a conclusion within yourself whether it would be better to hammer Wraith despite the consequences on increased scrutiny Day 1 or whether it would be better to bolster the Vezo wagon and if Wraith would go, someone else would take the scrutiny. Spending your vote the entire day on Furc (as opposed to say Vezo, whom you also suspected and was an alternate wagon with potential, unlike Furc) gives me bad feelings about the sincerity of your scumhunting in this game as a whole. Together these give the impression of a scumbag who doesn't want the blame of hammering Wraith but not really because he doubts his read on Wraith, just because he's still debating whether Vezo is a better wagon, whoile voting Furc over both of them. The continued reiteration of the same points on Wraith seem to be there to justify a potential jump to the Wraith wagon while never seeming to come to new thoughts or conclusions over whether this major wagon was worth your vote or not. Seriously, every time you say 'he's AtEing but I'm still unsure and anyway (player) is being scummy so I dunnnnno'. Every one. This rings of scum unsure whether he wants to commit to the wagon that late, not Town actively trying to figure out whether Wraith is or isn't scum. Anyway, when did you go from 'Wraith is scummish but I'm unsure' to 'Wraithpacman281292 wrote:The post above me is AtE. No good.
Blergh, no idea on what to do. I'm not hammering wraith; his actions while over pressure haven't been good, but vezo's deffenses were poor, even for such a poor wagon as his was at the beginning.
Second, and done above.pacman281292 wrote:Also, many of her points are based on "tone". Is it more of the hunch-type, or is there something that can be explained here? And if the second, explain.
Not to mention he didn't notice that Zwets meant to vote me when he voted Vi. Also, caught skimming Pacman's ISO:Friend wrote:
This feels scummy to me. It shows that pacman wasn't reallly paying attention to the thread and tries to invalidate Soc's vote.pacman wrote:You name a top 3 scum, to vote someone outside the top 3. Why are you voting me then?
unvote, vote: Pacman
Hoping for a Modkill? It can be read different ways; this at least is mostly gut but I dislike it muchly.pacman281292 wrote:@Soc: I thought tiny text was forbidden.
Everyone categorically dismissing meta as a tool: You're partly right, but meta does have a place and denying that it does at all is ridiculous. Some people have playstyle things they do as both Town and scum, for example. Those are nulltells, even if in general they could be considered scumtells. I think denying the thoughtful uses of meta is an easy way to dismiss and argument without arguing it.
SPYREX????
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Pacman: I see your explanations in response to me. It doesn't change my opinion of the instances I called out very much. Your interpretation is clearly along the lines of the impression you initially tried to give off, but it doesn't change the fact that when I read the statements themselves I see the very possible scum motivations for them.-
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That's funny. Because the sample Town PM doesn't list voting as an ability at all, and my PM (which might or might not be the same as the Sample PM) doesn't list voting as an ability at all.mothrax wrote:
not much no, my abilities (tracking, voting, etc...)Plum wrote:MOTHRAX: Is there any flavor thar beyond that? Why track AGar, pray?
And I have been very vocal about having a scumread on AGar since D1. Why not track my biggest suspect.
EDIT: Socrates is right, in any case.
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I want to shut everyone up until you're lynched. It's not so hard to understand, scumbag.mothrax wrote:
so you want to deprive town of more information?Plum wrote:The best thing we can do right now is all shut up,don'ttalk about anyone else, and speedlynch mothrax ASAP.
At least pacman is being sensible and not just taking socrates for his word...
I don't want to see anyone posting below this except to hammer mothrax (and if mothrax wants to spam he can knock himself out). Pacman, that includes you. Soc, you may be right.
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VOTE: pacman
Still an epic good wagon guys, Major flip-flop here (did he explain clearly what made him change read on Furc or did he merely pander to charts and Town opinion? That uestion shouldn't need answering). Besides - we just got a scumflip and instead of looking for connections to him pacman prefers to speculate the two players are practicing mutual bussing (which he then retracts)? Uh huh.
Not sure I'm for massclaim. I'd guess that the ineptness of mothrax's claim is due more to his mafia skillz, or lackings therein, than to anything else. Envoy of Good = Tracker had something obviously wrong with it, yeah, but that was a function of mothrax not being able to lie convincingly on his feet. I guess this probably has some roots in a poorly organized scumteam but am not sure a massclaim would really benefit us in thatway enough to counteract the general downsides of a premature massclaim. This stands unless Soc has some POWERFUL WIZARDLY reasons for massclaim.
Battery conversion is a bit odd - I'd read it as actually powering the kill, but Iec's conclusion almost has to be wrong by its very nature - I can't see Vi putting in a mechanic which punished Town for lynching before deadline and rewarded dragging the Day all the way to a completely drained battery. Hmmm. I had an ideabutit's not it - might be on the right track but I'm not seeing everything.-
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Do people not read?pacman281292 wrote:
Yes I did, and so I asked if he could say at the very least the only scenario making vezo obvscum. That way, I would at least try and understand why vezo is unlikely scum. Just "vezo is obvtown, I can't explain but plz trust me" might be dangerous in case Soc is manipulative scum, or even confused town, so I wanted to ger at least a little part of why should I remove my vote.Friend wrote:pacman, maybe he has secret role-related reasons. Ever thought of that?
This interaction is actually confusing me. I'd like to hear something from Soc before unvoting.
Soc is Town. All the people trying to insinuate stuff about him today are being disingenuous, or acting as if they are. That's scummy. That was my beef with CKD earlier, but pacman, insinuating that Soc is manipulative scum,especiallyin a case involving roles and claiming, is a bad idea and v. scummy.
DIE ROLEFISHING SCUM DIE.pacman281292 wrote:Bleh.
Furc, I think we're not outguessing the mod. That post had more than "I dislike both wagons". Plus, we don't know what glow means FFS.
This roleclaim is confusing... why can't you say that power I'm wondering?vezokpiraka wrote:Socrates you know what I am going to claim.
\I was a vanilla at the beginning but on day 2 I got a power. No. I won't say what power.
Need I say more?
Um, dude. Remember what happened last time we (by which I mean, the Town minus players like you) followed Soc? Oh yeah,pacman281292 wrote:Damn, I hate soo much when people say things of this sort without explaining. I'd like to know why is vezo confirmedtown, but it seems like in this game it's just "follow Soc" or "follow Plum", and anyone opposing is obvscum and needs getting lynched.
So, why is vezo confirmedtown? Or, if you can't answer this, which is the only one scenario in which vezo is scum?we lynched scumwhich Socguaranteed. You're rolefishing and you also seem mucho disappointed to lose a mislynch candidate which might've gotten your neck spared today, huh?
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Maaaybe, but the fact that I'm seeing it at all in this case is a major WTH, so. I said 'all the people who are', and there have been more than one, as I recall, so.AGar wrote:Also, Plum, I don't think everyone is insinuating that Soc is anti-town, that's a huge stretch imo.
I'll respond to Pac soon, but I remainmostlyunconvinced that he's not very scummy and a majorly good lynch today. Also pacman, using the term tunnelling, with its negative connotations, when the tunnelling is justified. Your response to my rolefishing accusation is horribly inadequate and yes, Icanjust burden you for Soc's proficiency because it's not proficiency but a very good indication that he's Town in the know,which you acknowledge, basically/reluctantly, in your claim post.
Plum's assessment: Pacman is scrambling because he's done scummy stuff and feels trapped between what a pro-Town approach should look like and what his previous approach was - hence the quick reversals/Furcolow wrote:i'll paraphrase:
plum: "pacman, poisoning the well on soc, our most prolific protown poster is scummy"
pacman's next post: "i'm a townie. if soc isn't protown and is scum we lost!"
furcolow's assessment: pacman doesn't read
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Gotta reread Locke, but I still don't find him particularly scummy. Mostly lurker, but nothing yet.[/quote]pacman281292 wrote:You've lost all your town points with these latest attacks. Now my read on you is null.[/b]
Getting Townpoints from you is like ... nevermind, all the metaphors I thought of went the way of the metaphorgotten. Point is.
THEN AGAIN Locke has done barrels of nothing all game. AND Soc <3
I wanna settle with Pac, but if y'all have reservations elsewhere . . .
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No, because I'm often unsure of myself and often wrong; I don't think I'm all that much above average, though occasionally I nail something completely on the head and feel really good about my scumhunting abilities. Icuriouskarmadog wrote:vote plum
I gots a feeling, plum, would you characterize yourself as a good scum hunter? why or why not?wouldclassify myself as an above-average Townhunter, but my standards are different/less strict (for example, being wrong classifying someone as Town is sometimes not a real negative in the long run. Being wrong about someone in scumhunting is rarely not negative in the long run). On the other hand, I consider my scumhunting method to be fairly refined; I've been doing it for two years, so it's evolved somewhat.-
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Dammit dammit dammit.
Yes, flipped Townies have gotten smoke, and flipped scum has, too. It's NOT alignment-indicative, and I can't say that much about this new 'Shadow' stuff, which my gut wants to say may be a stronger for of whatever smoke does/is. I think three players have gotten it so far today - that almost certainly is not pointing out the entire scumteam. Vezok - I'm willing to trust what Soc said. That said.
@Vezok:if you know, please tell us what the specific circumstance is in which you could be scum, according to what Socrates said.
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World-seems-darker-around probably has actual in-game ramifications. Similar to mothrax flipping 'DARKENED Shadow Demon' on the amended flip.
Go back to Soctrates' post with the charts, the one he got light for. ANALYZE THIS IN THE THREAD WHILE I'M AWAY IF AT ALL POSSIBLE. I can't be here for religious holiday reasons, but that's what I'd invest my time in if I could over the next few days.
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Friend wrote:Guys.
I just got something important.
I received a message, presumably from either a player or one of the "holy ones." Here's what it contained:
bothhaveglow&smoke
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idme/wexplain-GGSCHB
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Does anybody know what the GGSCHB means? We need to find out who these players are, because one of them is scum.
This is big.Vote: Vezok
"vezlie-d2ability" seems to mean 'Vezok lied about his Day 2 ability.
As to the !!!!!!!! players, I have a hunch that Vi edited the signup thread. Perfectly legitimate, but I'm praying that Google has some of it cached.
"batery->rolepoints" = points to give their side roles/kill abilities for mafia (?)I think. No, shoot, it doesn't. On the off chance Vi secretly punished the people who didn't post avatars of other players while signing up with a sort of reciprocal removal-of-identity, Ellibereth is a 10-letter option (as is LynchMePls, come to think of it - but he wanted to play as a hydra, so I'd guess Elli over him if I had to). But then again, the slots missingare5 and 9, so. AND sottyrulez was /in, officially between Ani/Chrono and SocioPath on the signup thread, so. Definitely him, scratch Elli speculation. That's 10 letters. Number 5 was a pre/-in. Friend is a bunch of steps ahead of me. I've got no clue how we're going to find the other guy, but we can pray that sottyrulez happens to be our guy and not their guy (dunno what happens if we manage to reveal the Mafia power-smoke-glow guy.
So - HAYLEN please explain what I asked of Vezok - under what specific circumstance would it be possible for you/Vezok to be scum as per Soc's postSocrates wrote:Vezok is confirmed town, everyone unvote. (There is actually exactly one scenario where Vezo is scum, but it is incredibly unlikely.)
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@ Iecerint - Character limit in the message? That was my first assumption.
Pacman - I'm still trying to finish reading up &c. If you have something specific you want me to answer to, please quote it. Otherwise I'll be catching up/posting other stuff as quickly as I may. Obviously the shiny new stuff caught my attention pretty well, but rest assured.-
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Okay - we know we have I dunno, I'd guess about two more IRL days before the battery runs out almost certainly - two more votecounts, I should hope. In the next one weoughtto be getting some indication as to whether we're on the right track with sottyrulez. Unless we're given strong indication by then or receive information or something, I'm inclined to believe the !!!!!!! player's message re: Vezok/Haylen. Thereisa possibility that the message is half-right and from the scum player - I'd put that probability at less than %20, and even in that casemostof the information from the message is probably on the right track (the !!!!!!!! players being of different alignments and both having shadow/smoke and light abilities is probably true given Iec's post getting both at once, plus certain other things like battery power used to give the !!!!!!! players power is mildly corroborated by Mod wording of lynch scenes and Socrates). The only thing I'd worry about, really is, Vezok having lied about his power - that's clearly the risk we'd be taking believing this stuff. That being said, yesterday we did - by a hair - have the most battery juice left when we lynched, which might account for our exclamation-point guy getting to send us a vital message. Vi wouldn't (ModWIFOM, yes, but the good kind) use a mechanic where the Town was rewarded for dragging out a day, but she (he?)would, possibly, use a mechanic where the Town gained a slight edge over scum for lynching without undue delay. I'd guess that both guys get stuff based on battery juice - possibly like points to spend on powers to give out/use themselves - either they both get a set amount of spending money depending on how much juice is left or it's on a sliding scale where the Town-!!!!!!! gets proportionally a few more points if the Town lynches faster. I don't see the benefit in scum-!!!!!!!! spending any of his power allowance on this sort of message, but I see plenty of benefit for Town-!!!!!!!!!! to do so. Hence. Yeah.
Iec, if you're worried, Friend not having noticed that it said Vezok was lying and misread it points against him fabricating it, I should think.
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On a scale of one to ten, CKD, how sure are you that Iec is scum??? OH wait big news while I was away.
Iec actually is not-paying-enough-attention for me to credit it as a scumtell.
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Yeah, really, but I'm perfectly okay switching to Me=Weird if it comes down to it.
FRIEND we need your way to test Haylen discussed and worked out ASAP.
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