Mini 1070 The Godfather:Hunt for Sollozzo (GAME!)

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I got an idea, let's gang up on the guy who's trying to bring us out of RVS.

Vote: Thor665

Why wouldn't we go out of RVS?

Vote: RedCoyote

I think pacman's wagon post was a bit strange.

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VOTE: Thor

He's scum with Farcry

. Discuss.
Btw, Andrius, if blue is anyone's color, feel free to change this^to navy. Kthx.

Also

/confirm

My role will never get me nightkilled unless I play extremely pro-town.
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look out it's a trap-

No, you can use blue. I've only got red and black (and purple). -Andy

Why is Thor scum? And why is Farcry? You could posts the reasons too.

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Sorry for not having posted much recently, I am planning the reread of this topic today.

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I'm sorry, this won't work today. I'm travelling tomorrow, maybe then, but i'll be back on saturday.

V/LA until Saturday

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I'm rereading now.
I don't like Exilon's play, but i'll read the whole text before posting the reasons.

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EBWOP - the above is @Bud

Do you mean "@Bub"? It's got two "b's" in it, you know.

I think at most 1 of Bub and Thor is scum. Scum partners listen to their mate carefully and learn their names very precisely. I think it has a very bad chance that Thor is scum and wrote Bub incorrectly.

I don't like the way Exilon plays.
He's trying to look townie. I think it is more important to scum because they can win only by surviving for a long time. Townies hunt scum instead intensively.
He's also making posts which has many general things in it. I think it is scummy, because it is makes townies believe Exilon's town if they agree with his statements.

He's the most suspicious to me now.

Unvote
Vote: Exilon

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Who are those people? Do you wan anything from me? Except unvoting.

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Exilon I think I need answers. Why are you making general statements? Why do you want to control the town?

Stranger and Thor:
What is WIFOM in my sentences?

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@RedCoyote - you're seriously advancing as a theory that scumFG declared in thread "I'mma just support that highest bandwagon!" and that this action is scummy? Pretty much every game opener I've done in the past half year I've used the exact same logic and my first vote is always to the highest wagon (unless I'm the highest, natch) - what's so scummy about that at that stage of the game?

So, should we all just pile on Exilon then? He's a popular vote getter, so he must be scum? Why aren't you voting him?

Why do you protect him?

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Why do you protect him?

Explain what you mean.

Your irony sounded like you were protecting him.

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I think i'll reread the things tomorrow.

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I am now rereading this whole topic because it is very chaotic and has a lot of content.

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hey Wingless, any results on that reread you did?

I also don't think RC is scum. (hence I never joined in the bandwagon)

Bub wagon is meh, though Bub just try to shift attention to bv?

I am making progress but this case is dark as a cave at night.

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I'll write here my read on everyone when I finish.

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I'm on page 5 and i found interesting things.

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Would someone explain to me what fencesitting is? I need to understand it because it is said in this topic.

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I must sleep now. I have read the whole game until page 8(half of page 8) and analyzed it.
One thing to do is

unvote Exilon

. I rereading his posts, he doesn't seems to be scummy.
I think RedCoyote or Bub will get my vote.

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Here comes The Post:

Let's talk about each player specifically. These are NOT the things you think, these are the things you said in my view.

I'd like you to answer the WHYs. I would like everybody to write his opinion about everything.
The details are written in time order.

Antihero

(Farcry):
Farcry voted Exilon for trying to seem town. That's ok. He said Thor vs pacman was town vs town. Then Antihero replaces Farcry. As i read he thinks Zajnet is a bit scummy for not voting anyone and not saying anything about his suspicions. FG's highest wagon is a weird point to him and he thinks FG is lurking and fencesitting. Antihero says Exilon is town. He thinks RC was rolefishing and his pressure post on bv310 was scummy. His top suspicions are FG and pacman in this order.
My thoughts: i think he's not scummy. He has his own views. He isn't posting much but when he does, he usually makes content.

SC

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He votes on Thor when he attacks pacman. Later, he unvotes to let them fight freely. He thinks Exilon was trying to look town. He minor FoS-ed Antihero(Farcry). He votes Exilon. He thinks RC wasn't rolefishing. Why? Exilon talked about his role. He thinks this is more likely to be rolefishing. He thinks Thor and pacman are town. He thinks I am town. RC is a bit scummy in his opinion. After Thor says RC isn't scummy, he says the same with FG. Buddying? He followed Thor's Bub vote too. He didn't mention any new evidence.
My thoughts: a bit scummy for buddying with Thor. He might be just accepting Thor's views.

Bub

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He says, pacman overreacted the Thor vs pacman fight. He didn't say anything about Thor then! Why? Later he said the fight was town vs town. He wants to know Exilon's reasons. He only mentions me, but not Farcry at Exilon's first post. Why? He thinks Thor and pacman are town because scum don't want to be an attraction. He didn't vote early.
My thoughts: scummy. He hasn't posted much and see the Why parts in the text.

bv

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You really should post something.

RC

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He votes Thor for taking us out of RVS. Why? He talks about Exilon's role. Why? He makes a pressure vote on bv310. He thinks Exilon wants to be a leader. He agrees with Thor about Zajnet, who doesn't put here the suspicions and who wants to remain flexible. He votes FG for having no motivation to the game. He thinks FG's highest wagon is strange. He says the sarcasm post about everybody voting Exilon.
My thoughts: a bit scummy. He isn't parroting. There are a few scummy things about him, but nothing really serious.

FG

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He votes the highest wagon that is a bit strange. He thinks RC is scummy for voting Thor at first, but he votes pacman. Why? After Thor says RC is not likely to be scum, he says the same with SC. Why? Buddying. He was fencesitting.
My thoughts: scummy. I don't really see his reasons. He buddies with Thor. Highest wagon is wagon is OK, but if it is told it's a bit strange.

pacman

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He fights Thor. He thinks Exilon posted some bizarre things. He didn't write much. Maybe lurking?
My thoughts: he is more likely to be town than scum, but I don't say he's town.

Zajnet

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He doesn't share his thoughts with us. He even says this is his play-style to make us accept this fact. No, i will not accept. Why do you do this? Town must hunt scum unitedly. His top suspicion is RC because he pressure-voted bv. He votes RC for his sarcasm post. He didn't vote early.
My thoughts: a bit scummy. He must share his views. Scum like remaining flexible with their opinions. He should post a bit more.

Katsuki

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He thinks RC was trying to look town with his pressure vote on bv. He doesn't see town motivation in Zajnet. RC says, he's lurking. A bit true.
My thoughts: i don't know. He should post more but i don't have any trouble with him yet. His 10 post/day is strange because he didn't posted much here.

Exilon

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Many people thinks, he wants to seem town. He looks for motivations. Some funny methods.
My thoughts: He is OK. He tries to hunt scum as i see.

Thor

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He fights pacman. He agrees with Katsuki in scummines of RC's b pressure vote. He thinks Zajnet is a bit scummy for because he doesn't post his thoughts. He thinks Exilon is town. He thinks RC doesn'T have any real evidences against FG. He votes Bub, but doesn't write the reason. Why? He thinks his vote must be used actively and that RC's wagon is dead. He says he voted Bub from gut. He says RC is town, he doesn't have scum motivation. SC and FG immediately unvotes RC. Why?

I think Bub and FG are the most scummy now.

Unvote
Vote: Bub Bidderskins

Discuss!

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I think the Thor vs pacman is likely to be town vs town.
Exilon vs RC and SC.
I think Exilon really tries to seem town. I don't understand his reasons of this. SC and RC don't see this is as a scum tell as I did. I have reread the whole game and I see that Exilon is trying to hunt scum, he was analyzing hard, etc. I don't say he's not scum, i just don't see him scummy now.

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I don't think it was bad, i think that was strange that you said it.

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Exilon I don't understand your reason to seem town. I read the game and I found you scumhunting intensively. I felt you was really hunting. And I got a better person to vote.

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Come on people, we must lynch scum today. We need 3 more votes.
Exilon, can'T you aunderstand that I read the game and I changed my mind about it?

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Come on we need 2 more votes. Let's get rid of that scum. It is always worth the town to lynch somebody.

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Pacman you should vote bub then. The deadline is close. I think scum are trying to save their mate bub that's why nobody votes him.

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Vote: FG

My second suspect now.
Why did you vote antihero? You didn't deduce he was scum.
And why could you deduce those things from Thor's death? What are ellipses? I don't understand this.

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Let me explain a few things. I did not know what ellipse meant. I am not a native speaker, I am sure you realized this.

When I said FG was my second suspect, I meant he was the 2nd most likely to be scum and Bub was the first. Now, you are the first.

FG why don't you vote me instead of antihero? You seem to be very busy with your case on me. Did you vote antihero because he said 1 sentence that most of us don't see really scummy? Is this your greatest charge against anyone? It must be or you must be scum. If you were town and you had a serious charge against somebody you shouldn't vote antihero.

Exilon seems to be very satisfied with his case on me.

FG wrote I made an "I'll reread" post a few posts later.
That was a few post in my ISO but there were a lot of posts made between my posts. I hadn't known what was going on, so i reread and made notes and I found you much less scummy Exilon. If town never made idea changes, the D1 suspects were lynched and the mafia would win easily.

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I answer to some things now, I am going to read this page later, I don't have much time now.

What should I do in the name of fighting back?
If fighting back is attacking Exilon, then I do not really do that. I do not have real evidences against him and I try to concentrate to my primary target, FG.
As I said, your logic is wrong. I see, that Big Mind Change was suspicious, but as I said, the town would never win if they didn't do this. D1's suspects would be lynched and that would be the whole game. I think you are trying to look town, and that is a thing I don't like, but I have a little townread on you and I don't have anything else against you. That's why I am not attacking you now.

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A very bit town i think. Or null.

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Everyone: I have the reads I said in
viewtopic.php?p=2593002#p2593002
until I say something else. I couldn't really change them.

Zajnet is my second suspect now(he's almost as suspicious to me as FG). For the reasons said there+:
He doesn't seem to be doing anything. Anything! He voted gandalf for active lurking. He couldn't cath up, that's why he hasn't posted much recently, or that was said by gandalf. I don't see him hunting scum intensively. He didn't say anything about anyone but gandalf and me. He must have had a read on somebody. Or he didn't read the thread because scum don't need to hunt intensively.
I am waiting your reasons against me and a read on everybody, or you are going to get my vote.

Gandalf should really make progress.

FG, don't think you are not a suspect anymore, just because I don't attack you in this post.

I think Katsuki's lurking is strange and a bit scummy, bot not as scummy as Zajnet anf FG(10 votes a day in his profile???).

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Well, the thing we saw is the same in both cases. I hope you change that.

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Now I rerad this thing. My last 2 days were horrible.

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Gandalf, could you explain your reads?

Everyone: I have the reads I said in
viewtopic.php?p=2593002#p2593002
until I say something else. I couldn't really change them.

Zajnet is my second suspect now(he's almost as suspicious to me as FG). For the reasons said there+:
He doesn't seem to be doing anything. Anything! He voted gandalf for active lurking. He couldn't cath up, that's why he hasn't posted much recently, or that was said by gandalf. I don't see him hunting scum intensively. He didn't say anything about anyone but gandalf and me. He must have had a read on somebody. Or he didn't read the thread because scum don't need to hunt intensively.
I am waiting your reasons against me and a read on everybody, or you are going to get my vote.

Ok. I told you Zajnet to attack somebody or I'll vote you.
What are your opinion? I want everybody to answer this. Especially Zajnet.

Unvote
Vote: Zajnet.

Come on people force him to claim(he's L-2 now)!

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I'd be happy to hear all of your reads Gandalf and Zajnet(there are a few left).
Zajnet, you should really claim something because RC seems to be serious and the deadline is close.
Exilon: explain your vote on gandalf. Why is gandalf a better target?
I don't really like that miller claim, by the way. What happens if he's scum? We can't distinguish the miller and the scum case.

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Why wigged? Supposing there are more than 1 one scum, left(very likely), they control the lynches better than the vigkills. Your lynch would be a bit better I think.

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VOTE: Vote: Antihero.

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I want to hammer i think. But I need to reread this a bit.

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I think it is Exilon. The first that votes without good explanation is scum and I am going to kill him. I should reread you guys.

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We do a massclaim now. If someone doesn't want to participate, I am going to lynch him (if someone makes a post without a claim). It is good for town to work together with me (or I am going to vote you and the town is going to loose).

I'm VT(Al Neri).

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Fear me Exilon!

My flavour says Michael took me in the Corleone family and I am loyal to Michael.

Exilon you are scum. I saw your wikipedia page (willi cicci), and your claimed role is a nobody. There is a little text about him and that's all. I think you couldn't choose anything better - the famous characters are out. Except a Solozzo guy. You know, theme games are likely to have famous roles, and not these nobody and whoknowswhoisthatguy characters.

Your method of claiming is also interesting. Psychologically, I think you are much more likely to lie, because you didn't write your role name in bold letters. Liars are trying to avoid being caught - they are trying to hide(remember, you do the same while lying: you don't take a breath, and you freeze to avoid getting caught). I know this, I have read a book about body language and the psychological events behind the tells.

RC is likely to be saying truth, he didn't want to hide. He wrote both information in bold letters!

I am pretty sure you are scum Exilon but I'd like to hear your opinion. We have plenty of time, there is no need to hurry this.

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Hm Exilon, this is not simple.

@mod: What is the thing I shouldn't do if I do not want to be modkilled?

By the way, a Michael Corleone must be in this game because there is a huge text on his wikipedia page. And Michael can't be Vito Corleone's enemy.

RC must be Michael because you do not say he is a liar and you do not say he fakeclaims Michael.

Therefore Michael must be RC and town.

You are the only person left, Exilon.

I am now supersure about you. I think everything is cleared. We do not need to lengthen the day without a reason. The situation will not be clearer because it cannot be clearer.

If I were you, I would have claimed Michael too with another flavour (I would know you or RC is scum, but you would have 0.5 chance because you would act the same way).

VOTE: Exilon

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Let's suppose you are not scum Exilon.

Then why do you ask RC not to vote you? If he's scum, he will hammer, and if I am scum, he has the choice.

There are 2 cases:

1. RC is scum. Your ask is useless. You could vote me, you don't have anything to loose.

2. I am scum. You are correct if you vote me.

In case 1, voting me is useless, in case 2, voing me is profitable to you. Overall: voting me is profitable to you.

Then why don't you vote me???

Scum is trying to save his skin (your last post).

Even, as scum, it is not bad to vote me. I simply don't understand you. Are you trying to look innocent?

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Sorry guys:(

Good scum play.